View Full Version : Dear Yankee Fans/Sports Critics,
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:02 PM
Shut the fuck up. I am a lifelong yankee fan. I remember when Don Mattingly, Mike Gallego, and Steve Sax were my favorite yankees. I remember when our best chance at a homerun came from Danny Tartabull and our best pitcher was a guy with one hand. I am a real yankees fan. The team we have now is a blessing and all you people do is complain they aren't making a move. This team is in Cashman's hands now. That was the deal with him coming back. And Cashman is showing why he is truly a great GM. Instead of bringing in big names, big heads, and big bats he is keeping a team together and letting people mesh. We don't need to raise Mickey Mantle from the Dead to play center. We don't need to go back 6 years in time and kidnap Ken Griffey. Granted I don't want Jeter leading off but I can deal with it. The team doesn't have to make a big move. And pitching? Not great last year..but everyone was hurt!!! look at the team this year.
1)Jeter (HOF)
2)Cano
3)A-Rod(HOF)
4)Giambi
5)Sheffield(HOF)
6)Matsui
7)Bernie (the guy still can hit 20 HR's and Drive in 85 at DH)
8)Posada
9)Crosby
Moose
Johnson(HOF)
Pavano
Chacon
Wang
Fransworth
Rivera (HOF)
They will fill out the bullpen and if they stay healthy they are a great team. So yankee fans shut the fuck up and let the season play out.
Love,
Pete
P.S. WE HAVE THE BEST COACHING STAFF IN BASEBALL YOU FUCK HEADS THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! Jut because the blue jays overpay for a sub 500% Starting Pitcher and a closer who has closed for one full year doesnt mean we need to make moves
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 05:05 PM
money can buy lots of things. and I wouldn't call Sheff a lock for the HOF.
moose has never been comfortable on the yankees, johnson may possibly never pitch the same again, pavano may never pitch well in NY, chacon could have been a fluke, wang, injuries?
you have two relief pitchers.
the yankees will never win a world series with alex rodriguez
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:08 PM
money can buy lots of things. and I wouldn't call Sheff a lock for the HOF.
he is damn close. I wouldn't say he is a lock but I mean his numbers are fantastic i'd give him 85% chance of getting.
and what do you mean money can buy lots of things?
he is damn close. I wouldn't say he is a lock but I mean his numbers are fantastic i'd give him 85% chance of getting.
and what do you mean money can buy lots of things?
i think he means money can buy you championships in 96, 98, 99, 00
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:12 PM
moose has never been comfortable on the yankees, johnson may possibly never pitch the same again, pavano may never pitch well in NY, chacon could have been a fluke, wang, injuries?
you have two relief pitchers.
the yankees will never win a world series with alex rodriguez
you're a boston fan. of course you aren't going to see anything in any of the yankees.
Moose was real consistent last year till he got hurt. healthy he is real consistent. Johnson still won 17 games and if he stays moderately healthy he can win 16-18 games he may not be dominant but ill take 16-18 wints. Never know with Pavano he's a wild card. Chacon may pitched way to well to be considered a fluke.
We have Farnsworth, Small, Mike Myers, Sturtze ( wasn't healthy last year early on when he was he was great) and Rivera. Plus we'll probably pick up one or two more.
A-Rod doesn't make and break one team I'm sorry. He is maybe the best all around player in the leauge, and he doesn't have a ton of experience in the playoffs but with a coaching staff like this they can work with him.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:15 PM
i think he means money can buy you championships in 96, 98, 99, 00
I wouldn't say 96. other 3 yes. And i have always said I would take a team like the 96 team over any team. If we could unload some of our names and get small ball guys and keep a low payroll I'd be happier. I'm not a spoiled yankee fan. And last time I checked your team had the 2nd highest payroll when you won the championship. Does that mean you didnt buy a championship?
mikeford
12/08/05, 05:17 PM
uh, basically youre a moron for overlooking Bernie Williams as a lock for the HOF
hes got the alltime lead in Postseason Homeruns.
mikeford
12/08/05, 05:19 PM
Oh Yeah
You Got Mike Myers
World Series Here You Come
i will literally eat a shoe if alex rodriguez ever wins a world series.
you don't sound real confident in your starting rotation.
mussina was a borderline hall of fame candidate before going to the yankees, he's only posted a sub 4 era twice and other than 2004, he's started more than 30 games.
i hope tanyon sturtze isn't the cure to all the yankees bullpen problems, dude's never been sub 4 era and only once below 4.5.
yankees need an outfielder or dh or 1b who can hit.
but even still, you have a rod
weezer182
12/08/05, 05:20 PM
you're a boston fan. of course you aren't going to see anything in any of the yankees.
Moose was real consistent last year till he got hurt. healthy he is real consistent. Johnson still won 17 games and if he stays moderately healthy he can win 16-18 games he may not be dominant but ill take 16-18 wints. Never know with Pavano he's a wild card. Chacon may pitched way to well to be considered a fluke.
We have Farnsworth, Small, Mike Myers, Sturtze ( wasn't healthy last year early on when he was he was great) and Rivera. Plus we'll probably pick up one or two more.
A-Rod doesn't make and break one team I'm sorry. He is maybe the best all around player in the leauge, and he doesn't have a ton of experience in the playoffs but with a coaching staff like this they can work with him.chacon was pretty bad in colorado though. its going to take more then a year for me to say it wasnt a fluke. maybe the transition to ny/american league helped improve his pitching a lot but there are plenty of pitchers who have one good year.
mikeford
12/08/05, 05:20 PM
everyone sucks in colorado. are you new?
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:23 PM
uh, basically youre a moron for overlooking Bernie Williams as a lock for the HOF
hes got the alltime lead in Postseason Homeruns.
Bernie has a small chance. Just because he leads postseason homeruns doesnt mean he is a lock for HOF.
more than a small chance, dude was a major part in the 4 championships.
hes the career leader in hrs, runs and rbis in the post-season
mikeford
12/08/05, 05:26 PM
dude, maybe hes not a first ballot but theres pretty much no way bernie williams wont be in the HOF.
weezer182
12/08/05, 05:26 PM
everyone sucks in colorado. are you new? no im not new and its more then era that i was looking at. i watched a lot of games when he was in colorado and he gave up a ton of hits. not only at home but on the road. obviously the era is going to be higher when your in colorado
pitchers go to colorado to die, at home and on the road
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:27 PM
i will literally eat a shoe if alex rodriguez ever wins a world series.
you don't sound real confident in your starting rotation.
mussina was a borderline hall of fame candidate before going to the yankees, he's only posted a sub 4 era twice and other than 2004, he's started more than 30 games.
i hope tanyon sturtze isn't the cure to all the yankees bullpen problems, dude's never been sub 4 era and only once below 4.5.
yankees need an outfielder or dh or 1b who can hit.
but even still, you have a rod
i'm confident enough. We made it to the post season last year with a make shift rotation. healthy we are solid. I think ERA is important, but wins are more important and if our pitchers can win games I don't give a shit.
Sturtze isn't the cure. A bullpen isn't one person. But if you can't have small or sturtze or myers or whoever else they can get hand it to farnsworth then rivera I am real happy. Bullpen isn't as bad as it seems
They have Matsui and Sheffield in outfield. They don't need anyone else in that lineup. They may have the best first 6 in baseball. They have bernie to play DH. They have Giambi to play 1B. May not be great defensively but he'll do.
And A-Rod is a great player you can't doubt that. Clutch? No. But He can still be worked on. Like i said they have the best coaching staff in baseball. They can work with him.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:30 PM
more than a small chance, dude was a major part in the 4 championships.
hes the career leader in hrs, runs and rbis in the post-season
i love bernie, but he isn't a lock. i listed the locks IMO. To me he isn't a lock. Again I love Bernie Williams one of my favorite yankees ever but I don't think he is a lock for the HOF. He is one of those guys that quietly had a great career but that doesn't mean he will be in the HOF. Of course you are going to have high postseason numbers with as many times as he was there. Again Im not putting bernie down but he is not a lock as a HOF
weezer182
12/08/05, 05:39 PM
pitchers go to colorado to die, at home and on the roadyea pitching is worse in colorado but my point was i dont think he is guaranteed to have another great year in ny. ive seen what teams have done to him in the past... but maybe he will have another good year who knows
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 05:40 PM
the yankees buy and accquire players for the sole sake of not letting other teams get them. i consider their business practices to be successful, but highly unethical. and for that, they can go fuckthemselves.
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 05:41 PM
dude, maybe hes not a first ballot but theres pretty much no way bernie williams wont be in the HOF.
bernie is not a hall of famer, haha
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:41 PM
yea pitching is worse in colorado but my point was i dont think he is guaranteed to have another great year in ny. ive seen what teams have done to him in the past... but maybe he will have another good year who knows
You never know man. What if he does play just as well? That means he could be a 20 game winner. He's a wildcard.
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 05:42 PM
i love bernie, but he isn't a lock. i listed the locks IMO. To me he isn't a lock. Again I love Bernie Williams one of my favorite yankees ever but I don't think he is a lock for the HOF. He is one of those guys that quietly had a great career but that doesn't mean he will be in the HOF. Of course you are going to have high postseason numbers with as many times as he was there. Again Im not putting bernie down but he is not a lock as a HOF
wow, i seriously think you just said the exact same thing like 4 times in that post.
mikeford
12/08/05, 05:43 PM
bernie is not a hall of famer, haha
yeah basically you dont know anything about baseball then.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:44 PM
bernie is not a hall of famer, haha
He has a chance. I wouldn't bet my life but he has a chance. Does have the post season records is a 5 time all star i think 4 time Gold glove and has an average of about .298 24 100. I mean that isn't bad but I think the only thing that gives him a chance is the post season numbers but they are inflated seeing as he has 120 post season games under his belt. I think he has a chance but not a lock.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:45 PM
wow, i seriously think you just said the exact same thing like 4 times in that post.
it's called reiterating your point i learned it in education class.
mikeford
12/08/05, 05:48 PM
it's called reiterating your point i learned it in education class.
uhhh
repeating yourself isnt good.
youre supposed to make NEW points.
Spicoli hey bud
12/08/05, 05:50 PM
yeah basically you dont know anything about baseball then.
you love to make these outlandish comments without anything that supports them. If you don't agree, then why don't you agree?
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:55 PM
the yankees buy and accquire players for the sole sake of not letting other teams get them. i consider their business practices to be successful, but highly unethical. and for that, they can go fuckthemselves.
Where do you see this? I don't like that they spend a lot of money but I don't see what your saying. here are some stats that are kind of against the whole buying out all their championships thing.
96- 1st with 52 but Orioles are only 3 mill less highest paid playe is Ruben Sierra
97-1st with 59 only 4 more then Orioles. Highest paid player is Cecil Fielder
98-2nd to the Orioles. They have 7 million more then the yanks. Highest paid player is Bernie
99 1st 88 Million. 7 more then the rangers. First year when they really pulled away from the rest of the leauge. Bernie again
2000-1st but only 2 million more then the dodgers. Bernie still highest paid.
2001-1st but Sox and LA are only 3 mill off. Jeter highest paid.
yes they have always been 1st or 2nd but there have been teams close to them. And up until really 2000 it were players that were basically homegrown guys or role players. They didn't start going crazy till 2002.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 05:57 PM
uhhh
repeating yourself isnt good.
youre supposed to make NEW points.
1) Starting an arguement with UHH makes you look completly Idiotic
2)Repeating yourself gets a point across i wasn't trying to make new points
3)You can't make great points when you're thing under your username is Dipset
4)Why are you being a pain in the ass in a yankees thread when you are a bosox fan? Please shut up sir.
thejetstolehome
12/08/05, 05:59 PM
money can buy lots of things. and I wouldn't call Sheff a lock for the HOF.
maybe not a lock but i think it's safe to say he'll get in...he's been one of the best RBI men of the last decade
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 05:59 PM
yeah basically you dont know anything about baseball then.
you're a fucking idiot. think about who he's going up against when he retires. think about the caliber of players he's going to be facing on the ballots. he's not a "lock" in the least.
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 06:00 PM
He has a chance. I wouldn't bet my life but he has a chance. Does have the post season records is a 5 time all star i think 4 time Gold glove and has an average of about .298 24 100. I mean that isn't bad but I think the only thing that gives him a chance is the post season numbers but they are inflated seeing as he has 120 post season games under his belt. I think he has a chance but not a lock.
those are not hall of fame numbers. excellent, but no.
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 06:00 PM
maybe not a lock but i think it's safe to say he'll get in...he's been one of the best RBI men of the last decade
i wouldn't call only 5 seasons with over 100 RBIs one of the best RBI men of the past decade....
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 06:02 PM
Where do you see this? I don't like that they spend a lot of money but I don't see what your saying. here are some stats that are kind of against the whole buying out all their championships thing.
96- 1st with 52 but Orioles are only 3 mill less highest paid playe is Ruben Sierra
97-1st with 59 only 4 more then Orioles. Highest paid player is Cecil Fielder
98-2nd to the Orioles. They have 7 million more then the yanks. Highest paid player is Bernie
99 1st 88 Million. 7 more then the rangers. First year when they really pulled away from the rest of the leauge. Bernie again
2000-1st but only 2 million more then the dodgers. Bernie still highest paid.
2001-1st but Sox and LA are only 3 mill off. Jeter highest paid.
yes they have always been 1st or 2nd but there have been teams close to them. And up until really 2000 it were players that were basically homegrown guys or role players. They didn't start going crazy till 2002.
the ultimate thing that pushed me over the edge is when they dumped off a FANTASTIC player in Tino Martinez, right off of a career year, just so they could toss millions at Giambi. Fuck that. They do that kind of stuff all the time.
mikeford
12/08/05, 06:08 PM
you're a fucking idiot. think about who he's going up against when he retires. think about the caliber of players he's going to be facing on the ballots. he's not a "lock" in the least.
like i said... first ballot, maybe not... but he will get in the hall of fame.
mikeford
12/08/05, 06:10 PM
3)You can't make great points when you're thing under your username is Dipset
first of all, you are thing?
second of all, why? are you going to make the broad, sweeping and overall completely ignorant, assinine and above all else WRONG assumption that listening to rap makes you stupid or something?
seriously, dragging musical preference into an argument about SPORTS definitely makes you look like a brain surgeon.
bernie's getting into the hall of fame, i hate the yankees, i don't like bernie williams, but he's getting in, home runs, rbis, runs, career leader in post-season history
save_me
12/08/05, 06:16 PM
ive only seen oneof their games, it was a great game, yankees-11, rangers 3. ( i think it was something like that) it was august 6...i think of this year. it was 108 degrees...and i was pretty much dying. my grandparents are yankee finaticks. im not THAT into baseball, but i enjoy watching it. i grew up a yankees fan, and im #3 on my softball team...babe ruth's numbaaaaaaaa biotch
excuse my poor spelling.
it's called reiterating your point i learned it in special education class.
fixed
ive only seen oneof their games, it was a great game, yankees-11, rangers 3. ( i think it was something like that) it was august 6...i think of this year. it was 108 degrees...and i was pretty much dying. my grandparents are yankee finaticks. im not THAT into baseball, but i enjoy watching it. i grew up a yankees fan, and im #3 on my softball team...babe ruth's numbaaaaaaaa biotch
excuse my poor spelling.
so i'm assuming this is a fake poster
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 06:37 PM
so i'm assuming this is a fake poster
no? you people are hilarious, like 2% of the people you guys call fake posters are actually fake
Goodbye Forever
12/08/05, 06:43 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml
I don't know if anyone else ever looks at this, but it's a pretty good tool. But anyway, according to these calculations, Bernie isn't even close to being a HOF'er.
Looking at the numbers, he won't break 3000 hits (maybe not even 2,500), he might be able to break 300 HR's, and his run and RBI numbers are very good, but not quite HOF material. His numbers are going to be slightly better than Mattingly's, and Matt is more than likely not going to get in. We shall see, I guess.
mattingly=zero rings
bernie=four rings and the leader in home runs, rbis and runs in post season history. why don't you people comprehend that. dude has similar numbers to edgar martinez, and bernie plays a position. edgar has a good chance of making the hof without the rings, the outfield and the records
no? you people are hilarious, like 2% of the people you guys call fake posters are actually fake
i've been here like a week, i've called one person a fake poster. are you sure that's not a fake poster?
Goodbye Forever
12/08/05, 06:54 PM
Those postseason stats are overrated, considering the fact that there's been double the amount of teams in the playoffs in the last decade and a half then there were in the past. If there had been wild card teams while players like Ruth, Mantle and Mays were playing, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
this is a dumb argument, bernie is going to make the hall of fame from having those records and having four rings and being a good-great player for the past 15 years.
Spicoli hey bud
12/08/05, 07:04 PM
i've been here like a week, i've called one person a fake poster. are you sure that's not a fake poster?
I would link you to her threads, but they have been deleted, i think
Scott Weber
12/08/05, 07:07 PM
i've been here like a week, i've called one person a fake poster. are you sure that's not a fake poster?
I've seen her post a ton, she's not fake.
I still stand by this - Bernie Williams does not deserve to be a hall of famer. End of story. Good, but incredibly overrated player who owns a ton of postseason awards simply because he's been with the yankees his entire career, and the Yankees are in the playoffs, playing TONS of games in the postseason every single year. Fuck man, anybody decent that stuck with the Yanks for that long could own all those records too.
Goodbye Forever
12/08/05, 07:07 PM
this is a dumb argument, bernie is going to make the hall of fame from having those records and having four rings and being a good-great player for the past 15 years.
You just said it yourself. Borderline great players don't make the Hall Of Fame. Great players do. There's a difference.
And please, give me one reason why it's a dumb argument.
CallMeChief
12/08/05, 07:18 PM
Shut the fuck up. I am a lifelong yankee fan. I remember when Don Mattingly, Mike Gallego, and Steve Sax were my favorite yankees. I remember when our best chance at a homerun came from Danny Tartabull and our best pitcher was a guy with one hand. I am a real yankees fan. The team we have now is a blessing and all you people do is complain they aren't making a move. This team is in Cashman's hands now. That was the deal with him coming back. And Cashman is showing why he is truly a great GM. Instead of bringing in big names, big heads, and big bats he is keeping a team together and letting people mesh. We don't need to raise Mickey Mantle from the Dead to play center. We don't need to go back 6 years in time and kidnap Ken Griffey. Granted I don't want Jeter leading off but I can deal with it. The team doesn't have to make a big move. And pitching? Not great last year..but everyone was hurt!!! look at the team this year.
1)Jeter (HOF)
2)Cano
3)A-Rod(HOF)
4)Giambi
5)Sheffield(HOF)
6)Matsui
7)Bernie (the guy still can hit 20 HR's and Drive in 85 at DH)
8)Posada
9)Crosby
Moose
Johnson(HOF)
Pavano
Chacon
Wang
Fransworth
Rivera (HOF)
They will fill out the bullpen and if they stay healthy they are a great team. So yankee fans shut the fuck up and let the season play out.
Love,
Pete
P.S. WE HAVE THE BEST COACHING STAFF IN BASEBALL YOU FUCK HEADS THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! Jut because the blue jays overpay for a sub 500% Starting Pitcher and a closer who has closed for one full year doesnt mean we need to make moves
I'll admit that i'm guilty of bitching alot when i really shouldnt, but i think we could all agree that the best move the yankees make this year is not offering kevin brown arbitration. and i'll speak for everyone and say "amen"
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 07:22 PM
mikeford- you made overall assumptions so i did as well. making one grammar error doesn't necessarily make me a dumb person. i'm not going to stoop to getting into a war of words over my overall intelligence as compared to yours because I imagine I'm most likely much older than you and really it just brings me down to a level I'd rather not go to.
Jesticles- Not Funny
Back to Bernie
He has solid numbers and he has always been a pretty consistent player. As was said Great players make the HOF. I'm a huge yankee fan, my family has been season ticket holders for generations and I have my own now for the past 4 years, and I love Bernie Williams. But I am also realistic. His numbers compare to many of the men who have just evaded that chance to get into the Hall of Fame.
As for the Edgar Martinez comparison. Edgar changed the way DH was seen. He revolutionized the position. Bernie didn't revolutionize the positon.
There are a lot of players that averaged the numbers Bernie averaged. I mean Paul O'Neill only averaged 10 points less in BA then Bernie did do you think he'll make the HOF? The post season numbers are greatly inflated due to the fact that the man played 120 post season games. Thats almost a full season.
I love Bernie. Great Player? Yes. One of the most memorable yankees ever? Yes. HOF? No.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 07:23 PM
I can't believe this all started from me making a post about the yankee fans being bitches right now.
Talib Scottie
12/08/05, 09:36 PM
I wouldn't say 96. other 3 yes. And i have always said I would take a team like the 96 team over any team. If we could unload some of our names and get small ball guys and keep a low payroll I'd be happier. I'm not a spoiled yankee fan. And last time I checked your team had the 2nd highest payroll when you won the championship. Does that mean you didnt buy a championship?
They built all of those teams except for 00 on their farm system (Rivera, Williams, Pettite, Jeter), timely signings and trades (Wetteland, Cone, Paul O'Neil, Tino Martinez the first time), and terrific role players.
It was '01 when they started throwing money at aging vets on the downslope of their careers and power hitters who strike out twice every game. They haven't won shit on that formula at all.
I would take Paul O'Neil over Sheff or any day, especially in the post season. How many times did Sheffield and the rest of the heart of Yankees lineup strikeout with a runners in scoring position this past postseason? Seriously..
Spicoli hey bud
12/08/05, 09:42 PM
They built all of those teams except for 00 on their farm system (Rivera, Williams, Pettite, Jeter), timely signings and trades (Wetteland, Cone, Paul O'Neil, Tino Martinez the first time), and terrific role players.
It was '01 when they started throwing money at aging vets on the downslope of their careers and power hitters who strike out twice every game. They haven't won shit on that formula at all.
I would take Paul O'Neil over Sheff any day, especially in the post season. How many times did the heart of Yankees lineup strikeout with a runners in scoring position this past postseason? Seriously..
well said. And I've looked everywhere and can't find a Paul O'Neil jersey.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 09:54 PM
well said. And I've looked everywhere and can't find a Paul O'Neil jersey.
my prized possessions are my O'Neil, Key, Sax, Leyritz, and Tartabull Jersey T-Shirts
Caleb Cattivera
12/08/05, 10:12 PM
first off. is there a point to this post? or just alot of bitching?
anyways, it's really funny because the yankees spend all this money on players and cant win anything. they can have the best record in the leauge, majority of the best players...and STILL not win a championship. the last time they won a championship the majority of their players were draft picks brought up in the organization, of course clemens was brought in on a trade. but now with their ridiculous payroll, they cant make it out of the first round of the playoffs. so people who say they buy their teams...let them...they're not winning anything.
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 10:21 PM
first off. is there a point to this post? or just alot of bitching?
anyways, it's really funny because the yankees spend all this money on players and cant win anything. they can have the best record in the leauge, majority of the best players...and STILL not win a championship. the last time they won a championship the majority of their players were draft picks brought up in the organization, of course clemens was brought in on a trade. but now with their ridiculous payroll, they cant make it out of the first round of the playoffs. so people who say they buy their teams...let them...they're not winning anything.
i think you have to live in NY to see the bitching the goes on that around here. That is why it is titled to Ynkee fans and Sports Critics. The Sports Radio hosts around here are bashing the yankees.
And to your second comment I completly agree with you. Like I said I would love to shed a lot of this payroll and start from ground up. I'd love to see smallball back here. But it won't happen.
weezer182
12/08/05, 10:23 PM
i think you have to live in NY to see the bitching the goes on that around here. That is why it is titled to Ynkee fans and Sports Critics. The Sports Radio hosts around here are bashing the yankees.
And to your second comment I completly agree with you. Like I said I would love to shed a lot of this payroll and start from ground up. I'd love to see smallball back here. But it won't happen.believe me the whole country hears about the yankees when their not "winning"
YouMadeTheScene
12/08/05, 10:26 PM
believe me the whole country hears about the yankees when their not "winning"
yeah but right now the post season in the papers here in NY and on the Radio Shows you can't even understand how bad it is. I mean people are calling the yankees cheap.
justinevans
12/08/05, 10:28 PM
i think he means money can buy you championships in 96, 98, 99, 00
the yankees have never won with a payroll over 100$ million.
YourLatestVicti
12/08/05, 10:28 PM
yeah but right now the post season in the papers here in NY and on the Radio Shows you can't even understand how bad it is. I mean people are calling the yankees cheap.
The Mets spending spree certainly isn't helping the Yankees case.
weezer182
12/08/05, 10:30 PM
yeah but right now the post season in the papers here in NY and on the Radio Shows you can't even understand how bad it is. I mean people are calling the yankees cheap.haha if its that bad now i cant wait to see how it is like when the yankees dont make the playoffs. they have been in the playoffs every year since they won the world series. its not like they have been horrible
YourLatestVicti
12/08/05, 10:31 PM
haha if its that bad now i cant wait to see how it is like when the yankees dont make the playoffs. they have been in the playoffs every year since they won the world series. its not like they have been horrible
There's different standards for the Yankees in NY. Sucks for them but they kind of bring it on themselves.
weezer182
12/08/05, 10:33 PM
There's different standards for the Yankees in NY. Sucks for them but they kind of bring it on themselves.i agree they do bring it on themselves
justinevans
12/08/05, 10:42 PM
Shut the fuck up. I am a lifelong yankee fan. I remember when Don Mattingly, Mike Gallego, and Steve Sax were my favorite yankees. I remember when our best chance at a homerun came from Danny Tartabull and our best pitcher was a guy with one hand. I am a real yankees fan. The team we have now is a blessing and all you people do is complain they aren't making a move. This team is in Cashman's hands now. That was the deal with him coming back. And Cashman is showing why he is truly a great GM. Instead of bringing in big names, big heads, and big bats he is keeping a team together and letting people mesh. We don't need to raise Mickey Mantle from the Dead to play center. We don't need to go back 6 years in time and kidnap Ken Griffey. Granted I don't want Jeter leading off but I can deal with it. The team doesn't have to make a big move. And pitching? Not great last year..but everyone was hurt!!! look at the team this year.
1)Jeter (HOF)
2)Cano
3)A-Rod(HOF)
4)Giambi
5)Sheffield(HOF)
6)Matsui
7)Bernie (the guy still can hit 20 HR's and Drive in 85 at DH)
8)Posada
9)Crosby
Moose
Johnson(HOF)
Pavano
Chacon
Wang
Fransworth
Rivera (HOF)
They will fill out the bullpen and if they stay healthy they are a great team. So yankee fans shut the fuck up and let the season play out.
Love,
Pete
P.S. WE HAVE THE BEST COACHING STAFF IN BASEBALL YOU FUCK HEADS THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! Jut because the blue jays overpay for a sub 500% Starting Pitcher and a closer who has closed for one full year doesnt mean we need to make moves
lifelong yankees fan? really, if so you'd understand that bernie is not on the roster right now. Moose has never won 20 games in no way, shape or form should he be the ace. Crosby is a career backup at best.
Rotation will be:
Johnson
Moose
Pavano (if not traded)
Wright
Wang/Chacon
The Yankees need a hitter for average and speed in the outfield. They are also in great need of middle relievers.
Talib Scottie
12/08/05, 10:44 PM
the yankees have never won with a payroll over 100$ million.
I wasnt sure if that was a solid fact, but thinks for clarifying it
selftitled85
12/08/05, 10:44 PM
i think he means money can buy you championships in 96, 98, 99, 00
that is one of the dumbest statements ever...
those years the yankees were led almost completely by talent from there own farm systems you idiot.
selftitled85
12/08/05, 10:50 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml
I don't know if anyone else ever looks at this, but it's a pretty good tool. But anyway, according to these calculations, Bernie isn't even close to being a HOF'er.
Looking at the numbers, he won't break 3000 hits (maybe not even 2,500), he might be able to break 300 HR's, and his run and RBI numbers are very good, but not quite HOF material. His numbers are going to be slightly better than Mattingly's, and Matt is more than likely not going to get in. We shall see, I guess.
if mattingly doesnt get in there are huge problems with the hof system.
selftitled85
12/08/05, 10:54 PM
lifelong yankees fan? really, if so you'd understand that bernie is not on the roster right now. Moose has never won 20 games in no way, shape or form should he be the ace. Crosby is a career backup at best.
Rotation will be:
Johnson
Moose
Pavano (if not traded)
Wright
Wang/Chacon
The Yankees need a hitter for average and speed in the outfield. They are also in great need of middle relievers.
bernie was just offered arbitration so it is highly likely he is coming back.
crosby played well at the end of the yr and never has been given real time to excell. i think he will be perfect in ny. that avg hitter and speed in the outfield...thats crosby right there.
and whoever said the yanks need a 1b that can hit should really kill himself right about now. giambi had one of the best comebacks in recent yrs. not really numbers wise but just coming from the complete bottom of the barrel in yankee fans hearts as well as in the front office to basically at points being called the teams mvp at end...he was great.
YourLatestVicti
12/08/05, 10:59 PM
bernie was just offered arbitration so it is highly likely he is coming back.
crosby played well at the end of the yr and never has been given real time to excell. i think he will be perfect in ny. that avg hitter and speed in the outfield...thats crosby right there.
and whoever said the yanks need a 1b that can hit should really kill himself right about now. giambi had one of the best comebacks in recent yrs. not really numbers wise but just coming from the complete bottom of the barrel in yankee fans hearts as well as in the front office to basically at points being called the teams mvp at end...he was great.
Everytime I turned on a Yankee game over the summer Giambi would hit a homerun. There was a point in time where I was almost convinced he had 30 homeruns in one month.
NetNerdsRevenge
12/08/05, 11:18 PM
This was a fun thread to read.
Spicoli hey bud
12/08/05, 11:22 PM
bernie was just offered arbitration so it is highly likely he is coming back.
crosby played well at the end of the yr and never has been given real time to excell. i think he will be perfect in ny. that avg hitter and speed in the outfield...thats crosby right there.
and whoever said the yanks need a 1b that can hit should really kill himself right about now. giambi had one of the best comebacks in recent yrs. not really numbers wise but just coming from the complete bottom of the barrel in yankee fans hearts as well as in the front office to basically at points being called the teams mvp at end...he was great.
Bernies staying another year
Crosby is the CF right now
Giambi is the first baseman
DH is the only open spot right now
all of this is assuming they don't make any moves, which they are still shooting for.
Talib Scottie
12/08/05, 11:26 PM
Everytime I turned on a Yankee game over the summer Giambi would hit a homerun. There was a point in time where I was almost convinced he had 30 homeruns in one month.
Haha, yeah I lost track when I was working this summer and everytime I picked up a newspaper or checked the Internet he hit a homerun that night
selftitled85
12/08/05, 11:28 PM
i went to the game on july 4...yanks took a 6-0 lead in the first...then lost the lead 8-6...then giambi hit two home runs and the yanks won 11-8. freaking amazing game
if mattingly doesnt get in there are huge problems with the hof system.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are such a typical yankees fan, give me 5 reasons why don mattingly should be a hall of famer
that is one of the dumbest statements ever...
those years the yankees were led almost completely by talent from there own farm systems you idiot.
hmm lets see if you're right about this, well in 96, joe girardi, nope, tino martinez, nope, mariano duncan, nope, boggs, nope, jeter, yes, gerald and bernie williams, yes, paul o'neill, nope, ruben sierra, nope, leyritz, strawberry, fielder, raines, nope, sojo, nope, petitte, yes, key, cone, rogers, gooden, nope, wetteland, nelson, nope, rivera, wickman, yes andy fox, yes, ramiro mendoza, yes
so that's 8 guys from your farm system and 17 signed or traded for
your 8 guys from the farm system: derek jeter(in his rookie year), gerald williams, bernie williams, andy petitte, mariano rivera, bob wickman, andy fox and ramiro mendoza
two starting position players, 2 starting pitchers, one of which was your fifth starter, 2 guys on the bench, and two middle relievers, wetteland was your closer, in case you didn't remember
now we're gonna look at 2000
your farm players: posada, jeter, bernie williams, ricky ledee, shane spencer, petitte, rivera, mendoza
once again, 8, 3 starting position players, 1 starting pitcher, your closer, two guys on your bench and a middle reliever
that's at least a little more impressive.
but still led almost completely by farm system talent? i think not, 1/3 of a team is not "almost completely"
to be fair, this is more than 04, in which the yankees only had 4 players from the farm system on their regular 25 man rostor
and if you were wondering 7 in 98, 8 in 99
and whoever said the yanks need a 1b that can hit should really kill himself right about now. giambi had one of the best comebacks in recent yrs. not really numbers wise but just coming from the complete bottom of the barrel in yankee fans hearts as well as in the front office to basically at points being called the teams mvp at end...he was great.
i believe i was the one who said you need a first baseman, jason giambi should play designated hitter, you need a first baseman.
Spicoli hey bud
12/09/05, 12:14 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are such a typical yankees fan, give me 5 reasons why don mattingly should be a hall of famer
1) 9 gold gloves
2) 6 All star games
3) 3 Silver Slugger Awards
4) 1985 MVP
5) 200 hits 3 years straight
NetNerdsRevenge
12/09/05, 12:14 AM
Nice to see Doug has something worthy to post. You started out good, but lately it seemed like you were just another typical fan. This post makes me change my mind.
juan pierre has 3 200 hit seasons, should he be a hall of famer? ichiro has 5 straight 200 hit season, should he be a hall of famer, ::edit::if he keeps it up, yes, but he's already exceeded mattingly's 3 straight. mo vaughn won an mvp, should he be a hall of famer? jim rice had 3 straight 200 hit season, he was in 8 all star games, had an mvp and he's not a hall of famer. dale murphy is a 2 time mvp, had 5 silver slugger awards, was a 7 time all star and a 5 time gold glover, he's not a hall of famer.
jim rice has 160 more home runs and 400 more rbis than don mattingly, dale murphy has 180 more home runs and 200 more rbis, these guys are not in the hall of fame, don mattingly does not deserve to be
i doubt anyone would consider injury prone frank thomas a hall of famer, right? well, frank thomas has 220 more career home runs, 400 more rbis, one more mvp and the same batting average as mr. mattingly
will clark? nah, defiantely not a hall of famer, very similar batting average, more home runs, more rbis, same amount of all star appearances
Cecil Cooper (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/coopece01.shtml)
Wally Joyner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/joynewa01.shtml)
Hal McRae (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mcraeha01.shtml)
Kirby Puckett (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/puckeki01.shtml)
Garret Anderson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderga01.shtml)
Will Clark (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml)
Tony Oliva (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olivato01.shtml)
Keith Hernandez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hernake01.shtml)
Jim Bottomley (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bottoji01.shtml)
John Olerud (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olerujo01.shtml)
Dick Wakefield (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefdi01.shtml)
Frank Thomas (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomafr04.shtml)
Will Clark (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml)
Don Hurst (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hurstdo01.shtml)
Will Clark (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml)
Will Clark (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml)
Will Clark (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml)
Rafael Palmeiro (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/palmera01.shtml)
John Olerud (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olerujo01.shtml)
John Olerud (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olerujo01.shtml)
John Olerud (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olerujo01.shtml)
Steve Garvey (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/garvest01.shtml)
similar players and similar by age to don mattingly according to baseball reference, two very questionable hall of famers (puckett and bottomley) one dick wakefield
i haven't mentioned that don mattingly retired early and never won a world series, out of the things you mentioned, only the gold gloves and all star games appearances impressed me. but don mattingly played during a weak time for first baseman and for hitters in general. and don mattingly played for 14 years, only getting into the all star game 6 of those, that's not a hall of fame percentage, hall of famers should play in the all star game almost every healthy season they play.
NetNerdsRevenge
12/09/05, 12:45 AM
jim rice
If anyone is getting screwed, its Rice. That man should be in
somethingyellow
12/09/05, 12:51 AM
juan pierre has 3 200 hit seasons, should he be a hall of famer? ichiro has 5 straight 200 hit season, should he be a hall of famer? mo vaughn won an mvp, should he be a hall of famer? jim rice had 3 straight 200 hit season, he was in 8 all star games, had an mvp and he's not a hall of famer. dale murphy is a 2 time mvp, had 5 silver slugger awards, was a 7 time all star and a 5 time gold glover, he's not a hall of famer.
jim rice has 160 more home runs and 400 more rbis than don mattingly, dale murphy has 180 more home runs and 200 more rbis, these guys are not in the hall of fame, don mattingly does not deserve to be
if ichiro keeps having seasons like he has been having then he will be in the hall
i'm done after this one:
steve garvey: 10 all star games, four gold gloves, 1974 mvp, 50 more home runs, 200 more rbis, .294 career average compared to mattingly's .307, more than 400 more hits. basically a very similar player to don mattingly. good hitter, good fielder, good player. but not great.
not in the hall of fame.
oh and steve garvey has a ring
if ichiro keeps having seasons like he has been having then he will be in the hall
yeah, i probly shouldn't have included ichiro
weezer182
12/09/05, 12:57 AM
yeah, i probly shouldn't have included ichirodamn its pretty late there isnt it?
well, i think the 60 other comparisons i made will do the trick
somethingyellow
12/09/05, 01:01 AM
well, i think the 60 other comparisons i made will do the trick
haha ya u did your research on this topic ;)
weezer182
12/09/05, 01:01 AM
well, i think the 60 other comparisons i made will do the trickthat was pretty impressive research. other then redsox and seahawks what are teams are you a fan of?
i was born in seattle, so seahawks, mariners, sonics, moved to boston when i was about 10, fan of sox, pats, celts
oh, and i edited my post about ichiro because i respect ichiro, and if he keeps it up, yes, he will make the hall of fame
weezer182
12/09/05, 01:04 AM
i was born in seattle, so seahawks, mariners, sonics, moved to boston when i was about 10, fan of sox, pats, celtsnice im up in washington for school
nice, it's a good play to be. if i hadn't had priorities to attend to in boston i would have thought about going to school there.
Scott Weber
12/09/05, 01:20 AM
mattingly is not a hall of famer, haha.
I am all talk
12/09/05, 02:32 AM
http://tinypic.com/id8z8w.jpg
thats all I've got to say about arod
oh and his playoff stats are pretty revealing too
mikeford
12/09/05, 02:39 AM
mikeford- you made overall assumptions so i did as well. making one grammar error doesn't necessarily make me a dumb person. i'm not going to stoop to getting into a war of words over my overall intelligence as compared to yours because I imagine I'm most likely much older than you and really it just brings me down to a level I'd rather not go to.
oh, so basically what youre saying is you tried to take a cheap shot at me, but i called you on it, so now youre backpeddling.
just makin sure.
mikeford
12/09/05, 02:46 AM
If anyone is getting screwed, its Rice. That man should be in
I'm a Red Sox fan...
and you're wrong.
Jim Rice doesn't make it in because he doesn't deserve to make it
Fenway park in the 70s and 80s was basically Coors Field lite, before they built the 600 club so the wind would stop blowing every fly ball into the green monster... Fenway park helped Jim Rice TREMENDOUSLY...looking at his career numbers on the road he is an average player... add to the fact he played an insignificant defensive position, has the highest grounded into double play pct. of all time, was an awful baserunner, had only a .352 career on base percentage, and only had a dominant peak of about 4 years and you see why this guy is probably the most overated player in recent memory... Add to the fact he is a complete shithead who was hated by his entire team and the media and that hasn't helped his chances.
i was born in seattle, so seahawks, mariners, sonics, moved to boston when i was about 10, fan of sox, pats, celts
weird! i grew up in seattle too (mariners/seahawks), but then moved to new york (in second grade) and became a yankees/bills fan.
we were so close to being friends, but now i have no choice but to hate your guts. juuuuust kidding.
YouMadeTheScene
12/09/05, 07:55 AM
oh, so basically what youre saying is you tried to take a cheap shot at me, but i called you on it, so now youre backpeddling.
just makin sure.
backpedaling would mean that I would be retracting my statement and running away which I am not.
YouMadeTheScene
12/09/05, 08:00 AM
lifelong yankees fan? really, if so you'd understand that bernie is not on the roster right now. Moose has never won 20 games in no way, shape or form should he be the ace. Crosby is a career backup at best.
Rotation will be:
Johnson
Moose
Pavano (if not traded)
Wright
Wang/Chacon
The Yankees need a hitter for average and speed in the outfield. They are also in great need of middle relievers.
Bernie Has a 2 year deal
Moose is maybe are most solid consistent pitcher that we have and we know
Joe Torree has said that he wouldn't mind having Crosby in CF and there is a good chance he will be there
See this whole thread is for things like this. We have the best front 6 in baseball. If we can't have Bubba Crosby batting 9th and not be a good team, then those front 6 suck. We don't need an All Star and every position.
Scott Weber
12/09/05, 08:21 AM
http://tinypic.com/id8z8w.jpg
thats all I've got to say about arod
oh and his playoff stats are pretty revealing too
oh, you mean his .305 average with 6 HRs and 16 RBIs?
stay out if you don't do your research.
CallMeChief
12/09/05, 08:23 AM
http://tinypic.com/id8z8w.jpg
thats all I've got to say about arod
oh and his playoff stats are pretty revealing too
oh my god people gotta get over that....seriously. Albert Pujols could shoot and kill a man (dont get me wrong i love Pujols) and everyone would say that the person deserved it. If Arod was on the Mariners people would shake this off and defend him.
selftitled85
12/09/05, 08:23 AM
hmm lets see if you're right about this, well in 96, joe girardi, nope, tino martinez, nope, mariano duncan, nope, boggs, nope, jeter, yes, gerald and bernie williams, yes, paul o'neill, nope, ruben sierra, nope, leyritz, strawberry, fielder, raines, nope, sojo, nope, petitte, yes, key, cone, rogers, gooden, nope, wetteland, nelson, nope, rivera, wickman, yes andy fox, yes, ramiro mendoza, yes
so that's 8 guys from your farm system and 17 signed or traded for
your 8 guys from the farm system: derek jeter(in his rookie year), gerald williams, bernie williams, andy petitte, mariano rivera, bob wickman, andy fox and ramiro mendoza
two starting position players, 2 starting pitchers, one of which was your fifth starter, 2 guys on the bench, and two middle relievers, wetteland was your closer, in case you didn't remember
now we're gonna look at 2000
your farm players: posada, jeter, bernie williams, ricky ledee, shane spencer, petitte, rivera, mendoza
once again, 8, 3 starting position players, 1 starting pitcher, your closer, two guys on your bench and a middle reliever
that's at least a little more impressive.
but still led almost completely by farm system talent? i think not, 1/3 of a team is not "almost completely"
to be fair, this is more than 04, in which the yankees only had 4 players from the farm system on their regular 25 man rostor
ok ill admit it when im proven wrong. and i am...
but the difference between then and now is that most of the guys from that 96, 98, 99, 00 teams were that most of the key players were there before that season and pretty much became a household name in the yanks org while never really becoming that famous somewhere else. this goes to o'neil, girardi, and nelson while helping give a second chance to other guys like strawberry, gooden, and fielder. also, many of the players were there for all of the wins. o'neil, martinez, brosius(from 97 on), nelson, and others. that is the key problem with the yanks today. they buy all this great talent and expect results right now. you need to give them time to mold together. the yanks from the late 90's and early 00's had great chemistry. thats something you cant but.
CallMeChief
12/09/05, 08:23 AM
oh, you mean his .305 average with 6 HRs and 16 RBIs?
stay out if you don't do your research.
damn straight, i said that in a post a while ago but people think because he had a bad playoff run THIS year he's a terirble player.
YouMadeTheScene
12/09/05, 09:09 AM
Bottom Line is A-Rod is still one of the best players in the game. The guy hasn't had terrible playoff experience. On that play, while you can't condone it, his fighting nature took over. The guy loves the game. And has so much intensity. I am at almost all the game or at least try to be. I made it to about 60 home games this year. And if the guy gets out he is pissed. Like literally he is livid. From a game vs. a last place team to a game vs. the sox he is pissed everytime he gets out. Other guys just walk back to the dugout and its just one out. Every game he wants to go 4 for 4. A-Rod's only problem is that he tries to do to much. In the playoffs he overexerts himself and hurts his play in doing so. I bet if you didn't know the money a-rod made no one would complain about him ever.
NetNerdsRevenge
12/09/05, 02:30 PM
A-rod debate? I may have to start posting in this thread....
ready Scott?
Scott Weber
12/09/05, 03:36 PM
A-rod debate? I may have to start posting in this thread....
ready Scott?
haha. sure!
mikeford
12/09/05, 08:15 PM
i love how none of you mentioned aaron small... shouldnt a dude who went like 11-0 be considered for a starting job?
justinevans
12/10/05, 05:41 PM
i love how none of you mentioned aaron small... shouldnt a dude who went like 11-0 be considered for a starting job?
no.
mikeford
12/10/05, 05:43 PM
no.
why not?
NetNerdsRevenge
12/10/05, 07:33 PM
Because he has a total of like 290 IP over a span of 10 years. His K/BB rate is not very good and his career ERA+ is 92 (which is inflated by a era+ of 306 in 95, he pitched 6 innings). The guy is a relief pitcher who was a nice surprise for the Yanks last year. I dont think he's in any future starting rotation plans.
Because he has a total of like 290 IP over a span of 10 years. His K/BB rate is not very good and his career ERA+ is 92 (which is inflated by a era+ of 306 in 95, he pitched 6 innings). The guy is a relief pitcher who was a nice surprise for the Yanks last year. I dont think he's in any future starting rotation plans.
i agree, he came through last year for the yankees, but i wouldn't want him as one of the starters. i would like him around for middle relief, because that was lacking last year (to say the least).
NetNerdsRevenge
12/10/05, 07:49 PM
i agree, he came through last year for the yankees, but i wouldn't want him as one of the starters. i would like him around for middle relief, because that was lacking last year (to say the least).
That would be the best spot for him. He would come cheap too. I think he's on a minor league deal....correct?
ok ill admit it when im proven wrong. and i am...
but the difference between then and now is that most of the guys from that 96, 98, 99, 00 teams were that most of the key players were there before that season and pretty much became a household name in the yanks org while never really becoming that famous somewhere else. this goes to o'neil, girardi, and nelson while helping give a second chance to other guys like strawberry, gooden, and fielder. also, many of the players were there for all of the wins. o'neil, martinez, brosius(from 97 on), nelson, and others. that is the key problem with the yanks today. they buy all this great talent and expect results right now. you need to give them time to mold together. the yanks from the late 90's and early 00's had great chemistry. thats something you cant but.
this person can admit when they're wrong, i have the utmost respect for selftitled85
Spicoli hey bud
12/14/05, 01:23 AM
this person can admit when they're wrong, i have the utmost respect for selftitled85
you must disrespect yourself a great deal then. I'm sure you've never been wrong before...(sarcasm), yet I've never seen you admit to it.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 01:28 AM
you must disrespect yourself a great deal then. I'm sure you've never been wrong before...(sarcasm), yet I've never seen you admit to it.
ditto
according to the rules of absolutepunk, i was wrong for using a fake account, and in general saying the words "gay" and "***got," even though they were used in a way of mockery to the kind of people who would actually say taht shit, was stupid. i believe that everything else i said was humorous, and should be taken as so.
there i did it.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 01:30 AM
according to the rules of absolutepunk, i was wrong for using a fake account, and in general saying the words "gay" and "***got," even though they were used in a way of mockery to the kind of people who would actually say taht shit, was stupid. i believe that everything else i said was humorous, and should be taken as so.
there i did it.
You believe... no one else did.
you're right, are you spicoli's lackey or what?
underthetalking
12/14/05, 01:33 AM
No. We just so happen to be on the same side.
Spicoli hey bud
12/14/05, 01:33 AM
according to the rules of absolutepunk, i was wrong for using a fake account, and in general saying the words "gay" and "***got," even though they were used in a way of mockery to the kind of people who would actually say taht shit, was stupid. i believe that everything else i said was humorous, and should be taken as so.
there i did it.
Go in another forum (General, Personal Life) and say WHATEVER YOU WANT. There really is less of a code of conduct elsewhere on this site. This is what sets the Sports Forum apart from everything else.
Try and use your hilarious sense of humor in another forum, see where it gets you. We at least argue with your stupidity (when I say stupidity I'm referring to soley the fake account) with some respect. You will get ripped apart in the other forums. I hope to see you posting in the other forums sometime soon...
underthetalking
12/14/05, 01:35 AM
Go in another forum (General, Personal Life) and say WHATEVER YOU WANT. There really is less of a code of conduct elsewhere on this site. This is what sets the Sports Forum apart from everything else.
Try and use your hilarious sense of humor in another forum, see where it gets you. We at least argue with your stupidity (when I say stupidity I'm referring to soley the fake account) with some respect. You will get ripped apart in the other forums. I hope to see you posting in the other forums sometime soon...
On that note... I am off to bed. Later.
Spicoli hey bud
12/14/05, 01:35 AM
On that note... I am off to bed. Later.
goodnight
Scott Weber
12/14/05, 01:55 AM
Go in another forum (General, Personal Life) and say WHATEVER YOU WANT. There really is less of a code of conduct elsewhere on this site. This is what sets the Sports Forum apart from everything else.
Try and use your hilarious sense of humor in another forum, see where it gets you. We at least argue with your stupidity (when I say stupidity I'm referring to soley the fake account) with some respect. You will get ripped apart in the other forums. I hope to see you posting in the other forums sometime soon...
Doug is a newb and he was cool before that whole fiasco. it's over and he's still a cool dude, it was just lame for a bit. let bygones be bygones, he's a good addition to the sports forum.
selftitled85
12/14/05, 07:20 AM
On that note... I am off to bed. Later.
haha i woke up one hour after you went to bed so i could study for my 8am final.
and doug...im not gonna lie you actually had me going for a while. i thought you were just a crazy yankee fan. you had me fooled for a bit...
NetNerdsRevenge
12/14/05, 11:35 AM
Ill post it here so we can debate it (maybe)
Nomar rumors say the spanks want him to play first base. In the joke thread I said, Giambi has a higher OPS when playing first. No one seemed to care in there, probably because it was a joke thread, but it could be of some use here.
Also, if they sign nomar, do they plan to play bernie at DH or the bench? I don't see nomar as a full time 1B when you have Giambi and could see him playing CF. They're gonna have to play around with the DH spot as well. Sheff will get some time at DH, Giambi will, and probably Bernie. They're all going to need time off and you're going to want their bats in the line-up as much as possible.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 11:38 AM
Ill post it here so we can debate it (maybe)
Nomar rumors say the spanks want him to play first base. In the joke thread I said, Giambi has a higher OPS when playing first. No one seemed to care in there, probably because it was a joke thread, but it could be of some use here.
Also, if they sign nomar, do they plan to play bernie at DH or the bench? I don't see nomar as a full time 1B when you have Giambi. They're gonna have to play around with the DH spot. Sheff will get some time at DH, Giambi will, and probably Bernie. They're all going to need time off and you're going to want their bats in the line-up as much as possible.
Fact of the matter is, signing Nomar would be a huge mistake. He is prone to injury and he is not even close to being the player he was with the Red Sox in the late 90s and early 00s.
Signing Nomar is not in the Yankees best interests.... with that being said, they are probably going to do it.
Scott Weber
12/14/05, 11:43 AM
Fact of the matter is, signing Nomar would be a huge mistake. He is prone to injury and he is not even close to being the player he was with the Red Sox in the late 90s and early 00s.
Signing Nomar is not in the Yankees best interests.... with that being said, they are probably going to do it.
if nothing else, they'll sign Nomar so nobody else can get him...then they'll bench him.
Fuck New York.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 11:44 AM
if nothing else, they'll sign Nomar so nobody else can get him...then they'll bench him.
Fuck New York.
Its sad that I am a Yankees fan and agree with everything you said... except for that last part.
YouMadeTheScene
12/14/05, 11:45 AM
Ill post it here so we can debate it (maybe)
Nomar rumors say the spanks want him to play first base. In the joke thread I said, Giambi has a higher OPS when playing first. No one seemed to care in there, probably because it was a joke thread, but it could be of some use here.
Also, if they sign nomar, do they plan to play bernie at DH or the bench? I don't see nomar as a full time 1B when you have Giambi and could see him playing CF. They're gonna have to play around with the DH spot. Sheff will get some time at DH, Giambi will, and probably Bernie. They're all going to need time off and you're going to want their bats in the line-up as much as possible.
I really don't think they will sign Nomar. To put someone from SS to 1B is such a stretch defensivly that I don't know if he would be able to pull it off. In terms of lineup they'd probably put Bernie on the bench, DH Giambi and when Giambi plays first start Bernie at DH. Bernie would probably get time at CF too.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 11:47 AM
So who is our back up 1B?
YouMadeTheScene
12/14/05, 11:47 AM
if nothing else, they'll sign Nomar so nobody else can get him...then they'll bench him.
Fuck New York.
What makes you think they sign guys so no one will get them? The people they sign play it's not liek they bench them.
YouMadeTheScene
12/14/05, 11:47 AM
So who is our back up 1B?
Giambi and then Bernie as DH when he is playing 1B.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 11:51 AM
What about when Giambi is the DH? You know he cannot start every game at first. Andy Phillips maybe?
YouMadeTheScene
12/14/05, 11:55 AM
What about when Giambi is the DH? You know he cannot start every game at first. Andy Phillips maybe?
That's what I'm saying the days that Nomar would need a break you would have Giambi play first.
If they don't sign Nomar I have no idea what they are going to do.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:02 PM
Signing Nomar is a bad idea.
I would much rather have Phillips at first than him. He can work at the position (which I am sure he is doing right now) and at his bat.
YouMadeTheScene
12/14/05, 12:03 PM
Signing Nomar is a bad idea.
I would much rather have Phillips at first than him. He can work at the position (which I am sure he is doing right now) and at his bat.
I agree I want nothing to do with Nomar.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:04 PM
This is unrelated, but I was at the game that Phillips hit his first career home run. It was the last game at Fenway in 2004 when Kevin Brown came back. There I was decked out in Yankees attire right behind the bullpen (first row), Phillips launched a shot over the monster to cut the lead to like 15 - 2. We got our asses kicked. lol. But honestly, the Sox fans had the funniest shit to say to Brown the whole game.
NetNerdsRevenge
12/14/05, 12:05 PM
That's what I'm saying the days that Nomar would need a break you would have Giambi play first.
If they don't sign Nomar I have no idea what they are going to do.
I forgot to mention this-- maybe it already has been,--but the with the recent acquisition of Bradley, The A's have too many OF. The yanks could bring in a CF by way of the trade. Kotsay or Payton could be up for discussion and both would be fine in CF for the yanks. That would open up options for Bernie to DH and even split time with Giambi at 1B--Bernie could play first. Also, signing Damon (bad move stay away!) would open up a spot for Bernie. Basically, nomar aside, Bernie fits well into the DH/CF/1B utility type guy. He could get 400-500 Ab's this way. And, he can still hit. Why am I trying to help? underthetalking, what the hell did you do to me?
NetNerdsRevenge
12/14/05, 12:07 PM
This is unrelated, but I was at the game that Phillips hit his first career home run. It was the last game at Fenway in 2004 when Kevin Brown came back. There I was decked out in Yankees attire right behind the bullpen (first row), Phillips launched a shot over the monster to cut the lead to like 15 - 2. We got our asses kicked. lol. But honestly, the Sox fans had the funniest shit to say to Brown the whole game.
The best was opening day 2005 (ya i was there, bitches) when the whole crowd gave a standing O to Rivera. Its was priceless.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:12 PM
I forgot to mention this-- maybe it already has been,--but the with the recent acquisition of Bradley, The A's have too many OF. The yanks could bring in a CF by way of the trade. Kotsay or Payton could be up discussion, both would be fine in CF for the yanks. That would open up options for Bernie to DH and even split time with Giambi at 1B--Bernie could play first. Also, signing Damon (bad move stay away!) would open up a spot for Bernie. Basically, nomar aside, Bernie fits well into the DH/CF/1B utility type guy. He could get 400-500 Ab's this way. And, he can still hit. Why am I trying to help? underthetalking, what the hell did you do to me?
Ha I love you.
You do bring up good points. I never even thought of Bernie at first. I would lilke Payton in pinstripes. He is a good fielding OF. His hitting is decent but again, we do not need an all star at every position.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:14 PM
The best was opening day 2005 (ya i was there, bitches) when the whole crowd gave a standing O to Rivera. Its was priceless.
Haha. I was there too. I even laughed at that too. Honestly, it does not matter what side you are on every Sox-Yankees game is a trip.
NetNerdsRevenge
12/14/05, 12:18 PM
Haha. I was there too. I even laughed at that too. Honestly, it does not matter what side you are on every Sox-Yankees game is a trip.
at the fens? the ceremony was awesome...I may of booed you though. I was behind the monster on Lansdowne street when a couple yankee fans walked by and the whole crowd booed them. sorry if it was you...
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:20 PM
Its fine. If you were at the Stadiium, I would have booed you. I was definitely booed but give me one Yankees fan that wasnt that day.
if nothing else, they'll sign Nomar so nobody else can get him...then they'll bench him.
Fuck New York.
That's probably true. Not the fuck New York part, obviously. But we did it with Canseco. Why not others.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:25 PM
That's probably true. Not the fuck New York part, obviously. But we did it with Canseco. Why not others.
Oh my God. I remember that bullshit.
NetNerdsRevenge
12/14/05, 12:28 PM
Its fine. If you were at the Stadiium, I would have booed you. I was definitely booed but give me one Yankees fan that wasnt that day.
well, there was this black girl who was like "man im glad I dont have yankee gear on." I was gonna say something, but thought better of it....
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:29 PM
lol. Hey true Yankee fans will show their colors in enemy territory.
That's probably true. Not the fuck New York part, obviously. But we did it with Canseco. Why not others.
nomar isn't exactly jose canseco. i think many of you are overlooking how good nomar could be for you, sure he had injuries the past couple seasons, and when he was upset with the red sox, he had a bad attitude. but if you put him on a winning team like the yankees, i doubt he'll show a lack of heart. his first 6 or 7 seasons in boston, he was a team leader and a great teammate. you need somone to share time at first base with giambi, he can't do it on his own, and all in all, he's not a great fielding first baseman. i think nomar playing either first base or center field for new york would probably work out well for all parties, plus it would be funny to have all three of the "young, next generation" shortstops on one team. nomar was a good, athletic player at shortstop, and players have switched over to first base from weirder positions.
Spicoli hey bud
12/14/05, 12:54 PM
lol. Hey true Yankee fans will show their colors in enemy territory.
sadly, when you do that in Baltimore, you outnumber the home team fans
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:55 PM
sadly, when you do that in Baltimore, you outnumber the home team fans
lmao. That is so true.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:55 PM
Camden Yards is mini Yankee Stadium.
YouMadeTheScene
12/14/05, 01:32 PM
I went to go visit Boston College my senior year of high school on a recruiting trip and I went to the game with a bunch of guys on the team who were from NY and we had great seats and we wore our hats and whatever and I ended up getting a beer tossed on me and a guy hit me and a huge fight broke out and we got kicked out of Fenway, but the other guys didn't. We waited outside for them but we never found them.
nomar isn't exactly jose canseco. i think many of you are overlooking how good nomar could be for you, sure he had injuries the past couple seasons, and when he was upset with the red sox, he had a bad attitude. but if you put him on a winning team like the yankees, i doubt he'll show a lack of heart. his first 6 or 7 seasons in boston, he was a team leader and a great teammate. you need somone to share time at first base with giambi, he can't do it on his own, and all in all, he's not a great fielding first baseman. i think nomar playing either first base or center field for new york would probably work out well for all parties, plus it would be funny to have all three of the "young, next generation" shortstops on one team. nomar was a good, athletic player at shortstop, and players have switched over to first base from weirder positions.
I wasn't comparing the two. Just comparing situations.
sadly, when you do that in Baltimore, you outnumber the home team fans
Seriously. Though one of my best friends is a die hard O's fan. Has been forever. The first game I went to at the stadium this year was with him vs the O's and they won. It was like the best day in his life haha. Oddly enough this is the same game Pavano was hit in the head with the ball. And I saw Jay-Z. Hahaha.
Spicoli hey bud
12/14/05, 03:11 PM
Seriously. Though one of my best friends is a die hard O's fan. Has been forever. The first game I went to at the stadium this year was with him vs the O's and they won. It was like the best day in his life haha. Oddly enough this is the same game Pavano was hit in the head with the ball. And I saw Jay-Z. Hahaha.
I was probably at that game too
I was probably at that game too
Of course you were. Haha. We had ridiculous seats. About 10 rows back right on the 3rd base line. Jay-Z was seriously right in front of us, but in the first row. It's a shame they didn't win, but we all still had a good time.
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