Thursday vs Underoath

[x1onexwo1fx]

Don't ask why. Just do it.

[tonyC4L]

It's really difficult to say that one Thursday album is better than anything Underoath has ever done (and vice versa). I don't think I can vote.

[jay_klinkhammer]

This is tough. I'm glad this poll was all albums instead of just saying Thursday vs. Underoath.


Hm......


I think it really comes down to Full Collapse vs. Define vs. Changing vs. Waiting for me.


I don't wanna vote. I don't know why I must choose! I think I'll just happily listen to all of it.

[x1onexwo1fx]

This is tough. I'm glad this poll was all albums instead of just saying Thursday vs. Underoath.


Hm......


I think it really comes down to Full Collapse vs. Define vs. Changing vs. Waiting for me.


I don't wanna vote. I don't know why I must choose! I think I'll just happily listen to all of it.

It was actually only Full Collapse vs Define for me. I only listened to Waiting once or twice and never found Changing. Are they both that good?

I ended up voting for Define. Did you vote at all?

[AussieBoy]

did Chasing Safety

[jay_klinkhammer]

It was actually only Full Collapse vs Define for me. I only listened to Waiting once or twice and never found Changing. Are they both that good?

I ended up voting for Define. Did you vote at all?

I never did, haha.

I kind of like Waiting because it's more of a sincere record than any of the others. Changing is very different from anything else UO ever did, I really enjoy it, it's a very pretty album.

[pleasedontpanic]

I chose They're Only Chasing Safety, but how could you not vote for Full Collapse if you were voting for Thursday? So solid. So revolutionary.

[Machu505]

War All the Time and Full Collapse is better than anything Underoath has ever done and ever will do.

[Praetor]

War All the Time and Full Collapse is better than anything Underoath has ever done and ever will do.
...and City...and Waiting...and Common Existence...and...that live cover of Mother Mary...their City demo...

[Machu505]

...and City...and Waiting...and Common Existence...and...that live cover of Mother Mary...their City demo...

In general, most music is better than Underoath.

[Praetor]

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[glassjaw777]

They're Only Chasing Safety is what got me into Hardcore/Screamo music. awesome album and in my top 10 all-time.

[Neo Cassady]

WATT. But anything Thursday towers over anything Underoath. TOCS is the only thing of theirs I can remotely stand.

[MattDennis]

It came down to War All The Time versus Changing of the Times versus Only Chasing Safety

...went with Changing of the Times

[x1onexwo1fx]

wow, the votes for both bands are dead even right now, and tocs and watt are tied for first.

[liveloud4life]

I kinda hoped UO would be winning but I would have still been ok with pretty much any of Thurs too. The one thing I'm not happy about and was completely unprepared for it TOCS leading. That's so much weaker than anything else UO has done since.

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wow, way to show your maturity level. i don't care if you hate underoath, but man that's low. gtfo.

[Praetor]

wow, way to show your maturity level. i don't care if you hate underoath, but man that's low. gtfo.
...and, ignore.

[x1onexwo1fx]

...and, ignore.

damn, at least come up with a funny comeback, that was just stupid. i'm disappointed.

[batmannj]

Bring the hate, I voted for Define The Great Line

[Helpless]

Bring the hate, I voted for Define The Great Line

No reason to hate. DtGL was awesome.
Although not quite as awesome as Sound of Separation (Which I voted for)

[batmannj]

No reason to hate. DtGL was awesome.
Although not quite as awesome as Sound of Separation (Which I voted for)

I love both. I think the most unoriginal hate on this website is for Underoath.

[k1guitar]

war all the time was my very first "hardcore" album.
gotta do it

[Theseventhson]

Waiting for sure. That record is just so raw and amazing. I'd definitely take any Thursday record over any UnderOath record (except maybe A City By The Light). I love UnderOath, too, but Thursday is one of those bands that left me in awe after I listened to them for the first time. Plus I'd rather take Geoff Rickly's lyrics over the UnderOath lyrics anyday.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Bring the hate, I voted for Define The Great Line

hey, i voted for that, too! i think Lost in the Sound of Separation was the better album, but I find myself going to back Define the Great Line the most. Also, unlike with Underoath, I tend to like individual Thursday songs, rather than their full albums. the Envy split was my favorite.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Thursday wins.

[eversoinviting]

Dtgl.

[cscwell107]

Litsos

[Bloodsucker II]

I kinda hoped UO would be winning but I would have still been ok with pretty much any of Thurs too. The one thing I'm not happy about and was completely unprepared for it TOCS leading. That's so much weaker than anything else UO has done since.

So true.

I voted for Lost In The Sound Of Separation.

[BulleTheory]

i really hope thursday wins this...theyre so much more talented and original then underoath

[liveloud4life]

So true.

I voted for Lost In The Sound Of Separation.

Me too.

[ActOfPeace]

TOCS Was a very big album for me, Since then underoath have gotten better but I mean ,i'll always remember that album. Enough talking about Uo..i've vote full collapse anyway:P

[Piss]

both very overrated bands, i enjoy a few songs from a city by the light divided so i vote for that

[hockeyguitar99]

damn, at least come up with a funny comeback, that was just stupid. i'm disappointed.

Dignifying your response with a witty comeback would have been a waste of time.

[hockeyguitar99]

Oh, and Underoath suck, so this poll was easy. Went with Common Existence.

[Ryzenfall]

Tough poll. Full Collapse is fantastic. I also enjoy Define the Great Line a lot, and Lost In the Sound is growing on me.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Dignifying your response with a witty comeback would have been a waste of time.

posting pics of shit and UO's keyboardist was a waste of time. apparently people on this site are bored.

[hockeyguitar99]

posting pics of shit and UO's keyboardist was a waste of time. apparently people on this site are bored.

Not really, it effectively conveyed his opinion of the band in a hilarious way.

[circatbs]

They're Only Chasing Safety > most albums, ever

[Burn That Shit]

Nothing Underoath has done is even close to anything Thursday has done. Underoath are a band of phony's who jump trends whenever they get the chance.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Not really, it effectively conveyed his opinion of the band in a hilarious way.

maybe you found it hilarious, but i found it immature.

[Theseventhson]

maybe you found it hilarious, but i found it immature.
Immaturity can be funny, too.

[liveloud4life]

both very overrated bands, i enjoy a few songs from a city by the light divided so i vote for that

Um, not really. Any time any band gets some attention there will be someone who doesn't get it and thinks it's overrated, but Thursday and UO both deserve everything they get.

Nothing Underoath has done is even close to anything Thursday has done. Underoath are a band of phony's who jump trends whenever they get the chance.

I'm not saying Thursday's not better than UO. That's your own opinion but you can't give one good example of UO changing their music to follow a trend. Esp since TOCS they have just continued to develop their sound towards the music THEY want to make. They don't care about popularity or appealing to any trends. Have you ever seen the making of LITSOS? Listen to them talk about what they wanted out of this album and tell me if you still think anything like that.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Um, not really. Any time any band gets some attention there will be someone who doesn't get it and thinks it's overrated, but Thursday and UO both deserve everything they get.



I'm not saying Thursday's not better than UO. That's your own opinion but you can't give one good example of UO changing their music to follow a trend. Esp since TOCS they have just continued to develop their sound towards the music THEY want to make. They don't care about popularity or appealing to any trends. Have you ever seen the making of LITSOS? Listen to them talk about what they wanted out of this album and tell me if you still think anything like that.

thanks for this. it's sad how people can be so ignorant when hating on a band. if you hate it, you can say so as much as you want, but don't bash it without educated reasoning.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Immaturity can be funny, too.

maybe, but not this time.

[Burn That Shit]

I'm not saying Thursday's not better than UO. That's your own opinion but you can't give one good example of UO changing their music to follow a trend. Esp since TOCS they have just continued to develop their sound towards the music THEY want to make. They don't care about popularity or appealing to any trends. Have you ever seen the making of LITSOS? Listen to them talk about what they wanted out of this album and tell me if you still think anything like that.

Sure I can, remember when they were a deathcore band for like 2 albums, and then they were a psuedo-post hardcore band for like two albums? And now they've been a metalcore band for 2 albums. Doesn't really sound like developing their sound, sounds like they jump genre's when it's convienent to do so. And saying UO doesn't appeal to trends is absolutely ridiculous, what about their christian gimmick that they exploit every time they get a chance to speak? They're just not a good band, their keyboard player is garbage, and they don't even believe in dinosaurs.

[liveloud4life]

Sure I can, remember when they were a deathcore band for like 2 albums, and then they were a psuedo-post hardcore band for like two albums? And now they've been a metalcore band for 2 albums. Doesn't really sound like developing their sound, sounds like they jump genre's when it's convienent to do so. And saying UO doesn't appeal to trends is absolutely ridiculous, what about their christian gimmick that they exploit every time they get a chance to speak? They're just not a good band, their keyboard player is garbage, and they don't even believe in dinosaurs.

First off, being a Christian band is not a gimmick. It can be when people really ham it up and are fake about it, but UO are legitimately Christian guys who are in a band which they use as a platform to evangalize. Notice not the other way around: they're not using christianity to sell their band, they're using their band to sell they're chistianity.

And there's a difference between starting in a genre and evolving out of it, and just changing for popularity's sake. They've had much less mainstream success from LITSOS than Define or TOCS. They started as an immature generic death metal band and have slowly developed their own brand of hardcore that really sounds nothing like anyone else.

Finally having a keyboard player that doesn't do that much technical stuff doesn't really make a hardcore band bad. They have a ridicuilous drummer who's an even better singer, a fantastic screamer, respectable guitar and bass players that play a distinctly UO sound, and it's not even like Chris is a bad keyboard player: for a band like UO, having a good sense of atmosphere and creativity with sounds adds alot more and fits infinitely better than someone who plays standard keyboard extremely well.

[singyoutocoma]

Only really good Underoath album is The Changing of Times, and even that doesn't compare to any of Thursday's albums. I went with A City By The Light Divided.

[Burn That Shit]

First off, being a Christian band is not a gimmick. It can be when people really ham it up and are fake about it, but UO are legitimately Christian guys who are in a band which they use as a platform to evangalize. Notice not the other way around: they're not using christianity to sell their band, they're using their band to sell they're chistianity.

And there's a difference between starting in a genre and evolving out of it, and just changing for popularity's sake. They've had much less mainstream success from LITSOS than Define or TOCS. They started as an immature generic death metal band and have slowly developed their own brand of hardcore that really sounds nothing like anyone else.

Finally having a keyboard player that doesn't do that much technical stuff doesn't really make a hardcore band bad. They have a ridicuilous drummer who's an even better singer, a fantastic screamer, respectable guitar and bass players that play a distinctly UO sound, and it's not even like Chris is a bad keyboard player: for a band like UO, having a good sense of atmosphere and creativity with sounds adds alot more and fits infinitely better than someone who plays standard keyboard extremely well.

1. It is a gimmick to sell records, I was watching a local station a couple days ago and a religious program for teenagers was featuring Underoath. How adorable, plus they mention it every chance they get whether they're on stage or posting a myspace blog. If you're a christian, great be a christian, but don't be an asshole write incredibly vague lyrics about "god" that scenesters can mistake for mindless dribble about girls if you're actually about promoting your religion through music.

2. LITSOS doesn't present anything that hasn't been done before, and while it doesn't have as much success as DTGL or TOCS, the band is playing much larger venues/tours and still has videos rotating on MTV/Fused, which could indeed be considered successful. You can evolve within your own genre(like Thursday), you don't have to be jumping on trends each time you write a new record.

3. Keyboard player is terrible. The instrumentals overall in UO are not anything special (especially within the realm of metalcore). The only thing distinct about UO's sound is that it's one of the most overhyped of all time.

[andrew_upto11]

this is tough...voted for city but it could go either way with the last 2 underoath albums

[x1onexwo1fx]

1. It is a gimmick to sell records, I was watching a local station a couple days ago and a religious program for teenagers was featuring Underoath. How adorable, plus they mention it every chance they get whether they're on stage or posting a myspace blog. If you're a christian, great be a christian, but don't be an asshole write incredibly vague lyrics about "god" that scenesters can mistake for mindless dribble about girls if you're actually about promoting your religion through music.

2. LITSOS doesn't present anything that hasn't been done before, and while it doesn't have as much success as DTGL or TOCS, the band is playing much larger venues/tours and still has videos rotating on MTV/Fused, which could indeed be considered successful. You can evolve within your own genre(like Thursday), you don't have to be jumping on trends each time you write a new record.

3. Keyboard player is terrible. The instrumentals overall in UO are not anything special (especially within the realm of metalcore). The only thing distinct about UO's sound is that it's one of the most overhyped of all time.

it's not a gimmick to sell records, it's their faith. the guys are talking about christianity every chance they get because they believe in their faith that much, they believe that it's helped them through their hardships and they believe that it might be able to help their fans through theirs, and so they're trying to spread the message. the songs aren't promoting their religion. from what i've heard of them, their lyrics are more often about losing touch with god than about finding him. why talk about those struggles when you want to promote a religion that's suppposedly a good thing? they're just singing about their own personal struggles. and heck, they can be as vague as they want. i don't get what thrice is singing about half the time.

i personally wouldn't say that they're jumping trends. with lineup changes, it's expected that the sound of the band will change. however, the lineup has stayed the same for the past three albums, and in that time the sound has consistently been developing within relatively the same genre. also, i agree with what liveloud4life said about developing into different genres instead of the same one not for just the sake of jumping trends. how can you justify brand new going from yfw to deja and from deja to tdagarim, each development creating an entirely different sound? with underoath, their albums have been getting less and less accessible. would they do that if they were trying to sell more records?

and as for their instrumentation not being special, again, just my personal opinion here, but i actually prefer underoath over any other metalcore band because it's atmospheric whereas i feel like everyone else is just sound. so what if the other bands can play their instruments better, what good is it if i can't feel anything?

i'm not exactly sure how reliable a christian television program for teenagers is as a source for judging bands. about the time litsos came out, i read an article in ap mag about underoath and the meaning behind the album. it might be hard to come across that article now, but if you did, it might change your mind.

i'm merely presenting my own opinion, not trying to prove you wrong. you're entitled to your own opinion, and so am i.

[x1onexwo1fx]

this is tough...voted for city but it could go either way with the last 2 underoath albums

with the way people talk about it on here, i'm surprised city is getting more votes than common existence right now.

[Burn That Shit]

it's not a gimmick to sell records, it's their faith. the guys are talking about christianity every chance they get because they believe in their faith that much, they believe that it's helped them through their hardships and they believe that it might be able to help their fans through theirs, and so they're trying to spread the message. the songs aren't promoting their religion. from what i've heard of them, their lyrics are more often about losing touch with god than about finding him. why talk about those struggles when you want to promote a religion that's suppposedly a good thing? they're just singing about their own personal struggles. and heck, they can be as vague as they want. i don't get what thrice is singing about half the time.

Exactly my point.


i personally wouldn't say that they're jumping trends. with lineup changes, it's expected that the sound of the band will change. however, the lineup has stayed the same for the past three albums, and in that time the sound has consistently been developing within relatively the same genre. also, i agree with what liveloud4life said about developing into different genres instead of the same one not for just the sake of jumping trends. how can you justify brand new going from yfw to deja and from deja to tdagarim, each development creating an entirely different sound? with underoath, their albums have been getting less and less accessible. would they do that if they were trying to sell more records?

How is "deathcore" more accessible than the scream-sing-scream formula on TOCS? Brand New have been within the same relative genre their entire career while building on that sound (pop-rock to alt-rock to indie-rock) so it's really not the same thing, and it's definitely not an entirely different sound each album.

and as for their instrumentation not being special, again, just my personal opinion here, but i actually prefer underoath over any other metalcore band because it's atmospheric whereas i feel like everyone else is just sound. so what if the other bands can play their instruments better, what good is it if i can't feel anything?

What is atmospheric about Underoath? That's just something a press release said so people would actually believe the sound is unique, and thus join the hype train. It's almost laughable.


i'm merely presenting my own opinion, not trying to prove you wrong. you're entitled to your own opinion, and so am i.

Correct. I think there are a lot worse bands than Underoath. but Thursday just kills it.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Exactly my point.




How is "deathcore" more accessible than the scream-sing-scream formula on TOCS? Brand New have been within the same relative genre their entire career while building on that sound (pop-rock to alt-rock to indie-rock) so it's really not the same thing, and it's definitely not an entirely different sound each album.



What is atmospheric about Underoath? That's just something a press release said so people would actually believe the sound is unique, and thus join the hype train. It's almost laughable.




Correct. I think there are a lot worse bands than Underoath. but Thursday just kills it.

so you bold a few parts of my argument that seem to prove your point, and ignore the rest? i shouldn't even be arguing with you, if that's what you're looking for. hell, i'll just ignore the rest of your post, see how you like it, asshole. and don't reply to this. it's gone way too out of hand. instead of discussing which album from both bands is the best, i find myself defending one band without discussing the other at all, and what's worse, you're so annoyingly clingy to your own set of false beliefs. i'm not bored enough to be wasting my time with you anymore.

[Burn That Shit]

so you bold a few parts of my argument that seem to prove your point, and ignore the rest? i shouldn't even be arguing with you, if that's what you're looking for. hell, i'll just ignore the rest of your post, see how you like it, asshole. and don't reply to this. it's gone way too out of hand. instead of discussing which album from both bands is the best, i find myself defending one band without discussing the other at all, and what's worse, you're so annoyingly clingy to your own set of false beliefs. i'm not bored enough to be wasting my time with you anymore.

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[x1onexwo1fx]

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you're not fifteen, don't act like it.

[Burn That Shit]

you're not fifteen, don't act like it.

blah blah blah i love underoath because i've never heard a real metalcore band blah blah blah.

That's you.

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Gross, but this WINS SO HARD.

[x1onexwo1fx]

blah blah blah i love underoath because i've never heard a real metalcore band blah blah blah.

That's you.

your immaturity is starting to amuse me.

[briewer]

you're not fifteen, don't act like it.

^Sucks.

[x1onexwo1fx]

^Sucks.

why hello to you, too.

[briewer]

why hello to you, too.

Ugh... Trying to take the moral or mature high ground is just dumb. You're on the internetz, you've got to outsmart people to beat them in any arguments. Saying "don't act like you're fifteen wah wah wah" and whining about having your point taken out of context means you lose. Make him feel stupid, don't get all high and mighty if you think you've been wronged, because guess what? No one really gives a flying fuck about your standards for how an argument should go. Playing dirty and acting immature are fair game.

This ends your orientation. Welcome to the AP.net.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Ugh.

hahaha, that was so funny! you are so full of wit that i can hardly contain my laughter! wow, college kids must be so great! i can't wait to grow up so that i can be exactly like you!

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^Sucks.

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blah blah blah i love underoath because i've never heard a real metalcore band blah blah blah.

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i think the universe just exploded.

[briewer]

hahaha, that was so funny! you are so full of wit that i can hardly contain my laughter! wow, college kids must be so great! i can't wait to grow up so that i can be exactly like you!

I rewrote it. I realized it didn't properly convey my disappointment in you. Reply accordingly.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I rewrote it. I realized it didn't properly convey my disappointment in you. Reply accordingly.

as for my most recent quoation of you, hold on, i'm still working on it.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I rewrote it. I realized it didn't properly convey my disappointment in you. Reply accordingly.

actually, i'm done.

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What the hell did you even do here? I can't tell what the fuck is going on.

[briewer]

actually, i'm done.

Fucking right, you're done. Admit it, you suck.

[x1onexwo1fx]

What the hell did you even do here? I can't tell what the fuck is going on.

Fucking right, you're done. Admit it, you suck.

i think you looked at the post before i was done with it. when i said "i'm done" i meant "i'm done editing the post."

you fail.

[jbaseball44]

War All the Time and Full Collapse is better than anything Underoath has ever done and ever will do.
What he said.

[briewer]

i think you looked at the post before i was done with it. when i said "i'm done" i meant "i'm done editing the post."

you fail.

I like how "but i did!" changed into that ^. You, sir, are the one that has failed.

[boysandbulletsx]

Not really, it effectively conveyed his opinion of the band in a hilarious way.
It's hilarious if you're a 15 year old boy.

1. It is a gimmick to sell records, I was watching a local station a couple days ago and a religious program for teenagers was featuring Underoath. How adorable, plus they mention it every chance they get whether they're on stage or posting a myspace blog. If you're a christian, great be a christian, but don't be an asshole write incredibly vague lyrics about "god" that scenesters can mistake for mindless dribble about girls if you're actually about promoting your religion through music.

2. LITSOS doesn't present anything that hasn't been done before, and while it doesn't have as much success as DTGL or TOCS, the band is playing much larger venues/tours and still has videos rotating on MTV/Fused, which could indeed be considered successful. You can evolve within your own genre(like Thursday), you don't have to be jumping on trends each time you write a new record.

3. Keyboard player is terrible. The instrumentals overall in UO are not anything special (especially within the realm of metalcore). The only thing distinct about UO's sound is that it's one of the most overhyped of all time.

Thursday's anti-war and activist speeches are a gimmick. Every band has a "thing" that they're known for, which by your definition makes it just a gimmick. So what's the big deal? And how does it make you an asshole to talk about your faith? I think that a great band can write lyrics that different kinds of people can relate to. Sure, some Underoath songs refer to God, but it's no so overt, which allows people who may not be Christian or religious to listen to the music without feeling alienated. You can say the same thing about Thursday. Their music tends to have political undertones and messages that not everyone can relate to, but people are still able to find different meanings in their songs that they can relate to.

And I don't think you can say that Underoath jumps on a new trend with every record. They're been pretty much consistent with their sound, with the exception of They're Only Chasing Safety.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I like how "but i did!" changed into that ^. You, sir, are the one that has failed.

all joking aside, do you still not understand what i did up there?

[Burn That Shit]

Thursday's anti-war and activist speeches are a gimmick.

I've been to plenty of Thursday shows, and they've never stopped the madness to preach.

Every band has a "thing" that they're known for, which by your definition makes it just a gimmick. So what's the big deal?
It's not a big deal, it just makes them douchebags. Exploiting the christian faith in every way possible to gain a couple extra comfort dollars is a gimmick. Norma Jean, Underoath, TDWP; it's all the same.

And how does it make you an asshole to talk about your faith? I think that a great band can write lyrics that different kinds of people can relate to.
It doesn't make you an asshole to talk about your faith, it makes you an asshole when you're pressing your faith on easily manipulated scenesters by setting aside 15 minutes during your set times to preach to the crowd. If you can relate to Underoath lyrics, grand, but that doesn't make them not vague or typical.

Sure, some Underoath songs refer to God, but it's no so overt, which allows people who may not be Christian or religious to listen to the music without feeling alienated.
I know, which is another gimmick to sell records.

You can say the same thing about Thursday. Their music tends to have political undertones and messages that not everyone can relate to, but people are still able to find different meanings in their songs that they can relate to.
Thursday's first 3 albums (Waiting, Full Collapse, War All the Time) had little or nothing to do with politics, however their 2 latest (and best, imo) do indeed have political undertones. The difference is when Thursday is talking politics, you'll recognize it immediately because the lyrics are much less vague than Underoath, which makes it less gimmicky.

And I don't think you can say that Underoath jumps on a new trend with every record. They're been pretty much consistent with their sound, with the exception of They're Only Chasing Safety.


"Deathcore" ---> scream/sing/scream trend that bands like Glassjaw and THURSDAY made trendy -----> generic metalcore that bands like Cave-In and Every Time I Die made trendy. Not consistent, very transparent.

[boysandbulletsx]

I've been to plenty of Thursday shows, and they've never stopped the madness to preach.



It's not a big deal, it just makes them douchebags. Exploiting the christian faith in every way possible to gain a couple extra comfort dollars is a gimmick. Norma Jean, Underoath, TDWP; it's all the same.



It doesn't make you an asshole to talk about your faith, it makes you an asshole when you're pressing your faith on easily manipulated scenesters by setting aside 15 minutes during your set times to preach to the crowd. If you can relate to Underoath lyrics, grand, but that doesn't make them not vague or typical.



I know, which is another gimmick to sell records.



Thursday's first 3 albums (Waiting, Full Collapse, War All the Time) had little or nothing to do with politics, however their 2 latest (and best, imo) do indeed have political undertones. The difference is when Thursday is talking politics, you'll recognize it immediately because the lyrics are much less vague than Underoath, which makes it less gimmicky.



Deathcore ---> scream/sing/scream trend that bands like Glassjaw and THURSDAY made trendy -----> generic metalcore that bands like Cave-In and Every Time I Die made trendy. Not consistent, very transparent.

I appreciate the points you've made, but I just see things differently, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. However, I will say that every Thursday show I've been to since, oh say '03, they've been a bit preachy. The last time I saw Thursday was back in March, at ToC (worst show EVER in my 20 years of life, but not because of Thursday), and they spent a good 10 minutes talking about politics and war. And they frequently seem to mention sexism at their shows and how to treat women correctly. They always have an issue that they feel needs to be addressed and if they aren't mentioning it in a song, they're mentioning it between performing songs (or both).

[circatbs]

After The Changing Of Times, Underoath have pretty much had the exact same sound. Thursday have had pretty much the exact same sound throughout their career.

That's really all I need to say.

[hockeyguitar99]

It's hilarious if you're a 15 year old boy.



Thursday's anti-war and activist speeches are a gimmick. Every band has a "thing" that they're known for, which by your definition makes it just a gimmick. So what's the big deal? And how does it make you an asshole to talk about your faith? I think that a great band can write lyrics that different kinds of people can relate to. Sure, some Underoath songs refer to God, but it's no so overt, which allows people who may not be Christian or religious to listen to the music without feeling alienated. You can say the same thing about Thursday. Their music tends to have political undertones and messages that not everyone can relate to, but people are still able to find different meanings in their songs that they can relate to.

And I don't think you can say that Underoath jumps on a new trend with every record. They're been pretty much consistent with their sound, with the exception of They're Only Chasing Safety.

It's hilarious if you don't spend all your time praying because Underoath want you to.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I've been to plenty of Thursday shows, and they've never stopped the madness to preach.


It's not a big deal, it just makes them douchebags. Exploiting the christian faith in every way possible to gain a couple extra comfort dollars is a gimmick. Norma Jean, Underoath, TDWP; it's all the same.


It doesn't make you an asshole to talk about your faith, it makes you an asshole when you're pressing your faith on easily manipulated scenesters by setting aside 15 minutes during your set times to preach to the crowd. If you can relate to Underoath lyrics, grand, but that doesn't make them not vague or typical.


I know, which is another gimmick to sell records.


Thursday's first 3 albums (Waiting, Full Collapse, War All the Time) had little or nothing to do with politics, however their 2 latest (and best, imo) do indeed have political undertones. The difference is when Thursday is talking politics, you'll recognize it immediately because the lyrics are much less vague than Underoath, which makes it less gimmicky.




"Deathcore" ---> scream/sing/scream trend that bands like Glassjaw and THURSDAY made trendy -----> generic metalcore that bands like Cave-In and Every Time I Die made trendy. Not consistent, very transparent.

we already know what you think. shut up, you troll.

[Burn That Shit]

I appreciate the points you've made, but I just see things differently, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. However, I will say that every Thursday show I've been to since, oh say '03, they've been a bit preachy. The last time I saw Thursday was back in March, at ToC (worst show EVER in my 20 years of life, but not because of Thursday), and they spent a good 10 minutes talking about politics and war. And they frequently seem to mention sexism at their shows and how to treat women correctly. They always have an issue that they feel needs to be addressed and if they aren't mentioning it in a song, they're mentioning it between performing songs (or both).

ToC was pretty shitty haha. Oh BMTH, how you make tweeny girls scream.

[x1onexwo1fx]

It's hilarious if you don't spend all your time praying because Underoath want you to.

are you feeling offended because you're fifteen? aww what a baby!

[x1onexwo1fx]

ToC was pretty shitty haha. Oh BMTH, how you make tweeny girls scream.

ugh, and here people tell me to go to shows regardless of how bad the openers are. i'm glad i missed it.

[Burn That Shit]

we already know what you think. shut up, you troll.

That was musical discussion, dinkus. If someone addresses a post that I made with a paragraph of what they feel/believe, I feel that I at least owe them a response of some sort.

[hockeyguitar99]

are you feeling offended because you're fifteen? aww what a baby!

Nope. I'm not offended, I just think it's funny that people love Underoath so much. They suck.

[hockeyguitar99]

After The Changing Of Times, Underoath have pretty much had the exact same sound. Thursday have had pretty much the exact same sound throughout their career.

That's really all I need to say.

That's fucking ridiculous.

[x1onexwo1fx]

That was musical discussion, dinkus. If someone addresses a post that I made with a paragraph of what they feel/believe, I feel that I at least owe them a response of some sort.

fuck you. you're 20 and you didn't sense the irony of my post? by calling you a troll i was being a troll myself! and apparently it worked.

[boysandbulletsx]

It's hilarious if you don't spend all your time praying because Underoath want you to.
Once again, coming from a 15 year old boy!

ToC was pretty shitty haha. Oh BMTH, how you make tweeny girls scream.
It was so horrible! I was taking photos for the show and I had to leave the photo pit 30 seconds into their first song. I had never listened to the band previous to that show, so I didn't realize how horrible BMTH actually was. I seriously considered leaving the venue to get away from their nonsensical growls and the petty screaming of the fans, but then I remembered that Thursday was going to be coming up and that soothed my nerves a little.

[Burn That Shit]

fuck you. you're 20 and you didn't sense the irony of my post? by calling you a troll i was being a troll myself! and apparently it worked.

Got me?

:clap:

[x1onexwo1fx]

Nope. I'm not offended, I just think it's funny that people love Underoath so much. They suck.

wait, what does that have to do with the picture of the piece of shit? i'm confused.

[x1onexwo1fx]

That's fucking ridiculous.

i'll have to agree with you on that one. fuck, i'm agreeing with a fifteen year old!

[hockeyguitar99]

wait, what does that have to do with the picture of the piece of shit? i'm confused.

The picture of the shit had a greater sign under it, and the picture under that was the keyboardist from Underoath.

Shit>Underoath

[hockeyguitar99]

Once again, coming from a 15 year old boy!


It was so horrible! I was taking photos for the show and I had to leave the photo pit 30 seconds into their first song. I had never listened to the band previous to that show, so I didn't realize how horrible BMTH actually was. I seriously considered leaving the venue to get away from their nonsensical growls and the petty screaming of the fans, but then I remembered that Thursday was going to be coming up and that soothed my nerves a little.

It's interesting how you're older and "superior" to me, yet the only defense you have is my age.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Got me?

:clap:

did your avatar change? o__O

[x1onexwo1fx]

The picture of the shit had a greater sign under it, and the picture under that was the keyboardist from Underoath.

Shit>Underoath

huh... okay

[boysandbulletsx]

It's interesting how you're older and "superior" to me, yet the only defense you have is my age.
You think I'm superior to you? Well, if you feel that I'm superior to you, then I guess I am!

There is no argument for it. Really. It's not very funny. Do you laugh every time you take a shit and look at it? Probably not. There's just no humor in a picture of crap. Really. It's a maturity thing.

[x1onexwo1fx]

The picture of the shit had a greater sign under it, and the picture under that was the keyboardist from Underoath.

Shit>Underoath

You think I'm superior to you? Well, if you feel that I'm superior to you, then I guess I am!

There is no argument for it. Really. It's not very funny. Do you laugh every time you take a shit and look at it? Probably not. There's just no humor in a picture of crap. Really. It's a maturity thing.

okay, yeah, we're talking about the piece of shit and only the piece of shit. so hockeyguitar99, you can shut up about how shit>underoath because we don't care what you think, you immature piece of shit.

[hockeyguitar99]

You think I'm superior to you? Well, if you feel that I'm superior to you, then I guess I am!

There is no argument for it. Really. It's not very funny. Do you laugh every time you take a shit and look at it? Probably not. There's just no humor in a picture of crap. Really. It's a maturity thing.

It's the fact that he was saying shit was better than Underoath. I was also saying that you think you're superior, not that you are.

[hockeyguitar99]

okay, yeah, we're talking about the piece of shit and only the piece of shit. so hockeyguitar99, you can shut up about how shit>underoath because we don't care what you think, you immature piece of shit.

Oh no. People on the internet who like Underoath don't care what I think? I guess I'll just kill myself.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Oh no. People on the internet who like Underoath don't care what I think? I guess I'll just kill myself.

oh no, please don't, i don't know how i could ever live with myself if you did.

[boysandbulletsx]

It's the fact that he was saying shit was better than Underoath. I was also saying that you think you're superior, not that you are.
I don't think I'm superior to you. I'm just more mature than you are, but if you think being more mature equates to superiority, then I can't change what you think.

[circatbs]

oh no, please don't, i don't know how i could ever live with myself if you did.

i could live with myself if he did, very easily.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Got me?

:clap:

oh crap, you're 21. that other person's 20.

[x1onexwo1fx]

i could live with myself if he did, very easily.

so can my sarcastic ass.

[circatbs]

so can my sarcastic ass.

i knew you were being sarcastic, but i felt the need to say that I agreed whether you were being sarcastic or not.

[x1onexwo1fx]

i knew you were being sarcastic, but i felt the need to say that I agreed whether you were being sarcastic or not.

i know.

[fadedmemories]

Any Thursday record > Underoath's discography combined

[x1onexwo1fx]

Any Thursday record > Underoath's discography combined

wow, that was genius. you deserve the nobel prize.

[fadedmemories]

wow, that was genius. you deserve the nobel prize.
Indeed I do.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Indeed I do.

http://smoothiejuicerecipes.com/pear.jpg

lolwut.

[fadedmemories]

http://smoothiejuicerecipes.com/pear.jpg

lolwut.
lame, old joke is lame and old

[x1onexwo1fx]

lame, old joke is lame and old

yay, you get it!

[boysandbulletsx]

This makes me really want a pear.

[x1onexwo1fx]

This makes me really want a pear.

hey, now that you mention it, i want one now, too.

mmm, pears are yummy.

thursday and underoath are yummy, too.

thursday = underoath = pear.

[briewer]

all joking aside, do you still not understand what i did up there?

I understand what you did. What I thought you meant by "hold on, i'm still working on it" was you would finish editing or whatever and then comment on what I said, and then "actually, i'm done" meant that you had nothing to say on what I had said, and you were admitting I was right and you were simply looking like a dumbass when you were arguing with burn that shit, and I said "Fucking right you're done" with that in mind. And you knew that, because you originally posted "but i did!" after that comment, but then changed it because, well, as I said originally, you suck.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I understand what you did. What I thought you meant by "hold on, i'm still working on it" was you would finish editing or whatever and then comment on what I said, and then "actually, i'm done" meant that you had nothing to say on what I had said, and you were admitting I was right and you were simply looking like a dumbass when you were arguing with burn that shit, and I said "Fucking right you're done" with that in mind. And you knew that, because you originally posted "but i did!" after that comment, but then changed it because, well, as I said originally, you suck.

http://www.freewebs.com/yugioh-kid/yami_yugi.gif

it's time to du-du-du-du---d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel!

[briewer]

http://www.freewebs.com/yugioh-kid/yami_yugi.gif

it's time to du-du-du-du---d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel!

Nah, I'm tired. I just got back from an intramural soccer game. I scored a goal, and almost had another one, so I'm celebrating with a beer. Cheers.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Nah, I'm tired. I just got back from an intramural soccer game. I scored a goal, and almost had another one, so I'm celebrating with a beer. Cheers.

congrats.

[briewer]

congrats.

Thank you, thank you.

:bow:

Point is, I couldn't possibly fight with an ice cold beer in my hand. All the fight has been taken out of me by the smooth taste of my Goose Island Mild Winter brew. It's really delicious, I highly recommend.

[liveloud4life]

After The Changing Of Times, Underoath have pretty much had the exact same sound. Thursday have had pretty much the exact same sound throughout their career.

That's really all I need to say.

You think that TOCS and LITSOS sound the same?

[x1onexwo1fx]

Thank you, thank you.

:bow:

Point is, I couldn't possibly fight with an ice cold beer in my hand. All the fight has been taken out of me by the smooth taste of my Goose Island Mild Winter brew. It's really delicious, I highly recommend.

i don't drink, and i don't plan to. i don't have anything against other people doing it, though, as long as they're responsible. i just can't drink alcohol without getting a headache after just a couple of sips.

and i didn't really want to duel in the first place. i was just really bored.

[circatbs]

You think that TOCS and LITSOS sound the same?

They're not much different, at all. Besides Spencer's vocals, it sounds the same.

[liveloud4life]

They're not much different, at all. Besides Spencer's vocals, it sounds the same.

They really are. Everything musically about TOCS is so much more poppy and scene orientated. They really developed their use of dissonance and crunchier guitar parts after that.

[MickShamrock]

Lost In The Sound Of Separation.

[eggheaddetuss]

picture of shit > x1onexwo1fx

[x1onexwo1fx]

picture of shit > x1onexwo1fx

didnt i already establish that?

eggheaddetuss = idiot.

[spunkmastaflex]

Full Collapse vs Define for me. I cant stand chasing safety. Full collapse wins though

[Helpless]

They really are. Everything musically about TOCS is so much more poppy and scene orientated. They really developed their use of dissonance and crunchier guitar parts after that.

(See: Reiventing your exit)
Good song, but it kinda represents that album pretty well for what it was.

[George-Michael]

Had to be trendy and picky Full Collapse. I can't read past 4 pages of this thread because of the poop.

[Yellowcard2006]

Full Collapse, cause I don't listen to underoath



EDIT: This thread is ultrahilarious. I especially enjoyed the picture of the pear followed by lolwut.

[Everiggs]

Love them both, but Define The Great Line is my winner.

[Scott Farcas]

Thursday hands down

[lostINtheSOUND7]

Chasing Safety by far. Favorite album since 05. their all good, but Chasing safety really got to me, and it was before they changed their sound.

[sargentlgfuad]

how do you vote for underoath and vote for They're Only Chasing Safety over their other albums.

[Handraa]

Ahhh, the old death metal Underoath EP's

[Alex DiVincenzo]

The Changing of TImes is my favorite.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Even though I like Underoath I agree with this. Thursday is a one of my favorite bands as well a band that helped expand my music tastes and get me into a lot of good music. Underoath is a band that I enjoy but aren't that great and are definitely mad overrated
word


:lol:






You sir can't take a joke and take this Christcore business too seriously




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Is most definitely is. I'm pretty sure Christianity is the only religion that has its own genre. Besides Why Matisyahu who represents the Jews you really don't people needing to make music for their religion Why don''t you see other religions trying to duplicate the success of Christcore?



:rotfl::rotfl:



:appl:

ouch.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-0f2OLadvVk/Rc33K6zhSfI/AAAAAAAAAKI/NBbe4343AHo/s320/Peter+Griffin.jpg

[Co and Ca]

War All the Time is my favorite out of all of these. I fucking love Thursday. I still like Underoath, but not nearly as much as I used to. However, I hold They're Only Chasing Safety close to my heart because that album holds alot of memories. Also, The Changing of Times is a good album to listen to while driving.

[boomerangslang]

Nice to see Full Collapse and War All the Time are in the lead.

[CloseToShore]

Had to go with WATT. That album just does it for me.

[Misstamara]

UNDEROATH I LOVE EM..
but i also like thursday....
xx

[x1onexwo1fx]

Not anymore. Underoath is getting their asses kicked. Obviously Christ isn't on their side in this poll

thanks for pointing that out. i would've never realized it by looking at the poll results. after all, i am only in calc a. what do i know about math?

[x1onexwo1fx]

But you do know about christcore right?

christian metal hardcore? i think?

[x1onexwo1fx]

the correct term for Christian music is Christcore

christian music in general?