to all of the seahawks skeptics

[commatosa]

if you still think the Seahawks aren't the best team in the NFC, then you need to be shot. The bears and the panthers both lost. The Seahawks, once again, beat the shit out of their opponent. And now they have a 2 game lead for home field advantage with 3 weeks left to go....can't wait for them to play the Colts and embarass them!! I thank you.

[mikeford]

i mean

i already think theyre the best team

but beating the FORTY NINERS by like 38 didnt really make me think any MORE of the seahawks

[Doug]

i think the giants almost losing to the eagles shows how good the hawks are more than the niners game

[commatosa]

yeah, I agree. But last time they played the 49ers it was close and everyone kept saying "the seahawks are overrated." I think these games where they absolutely dominate are helping them prove to everyone that this season is no fluke. God I hope they kick the shit out of the colts. Even though by then, they'll both probably be benching their starters.

[still_life]

NFC still doesn't matter.

[Doug]

NFC still doesn't matter.

hey look it's an ignorant statement

[Jesse2]

hey look it's an ignorant statement

that doesn't sound like him!

i think what he meant to say is that the steelers are still going to win the super bowl.

[commatosa]

NFC still doesn't matter.

can't you just give credit where credit's due? What the hell makes the AFC better than the NFC?

[AshesAshes]

If you think the nfc is better than the afc you should be shot.

They blew out the niners...that doesnt prove anything to me.When they beat the colts ill come in here and give them credit but other than that when I see that the seahawks lost to the redskins and jaguars im skeptic of them untill they prove otherwise.

[justinevans]

if you still think the Seahawks aren't the best team in the NFC, then you need to be shot. The bears and the panthers both lost. The Seahawks, once again, beat the shit out of their opponent. And now they have a 2 game lead for home field advantage with 3 weeks left to go....can't wait for them to play the Colts and embarass them!! I thank you.

The Eagles beat the 49ers by 39.

[justinevans]

can't you just give credit where credit's due? What the hell makes the AFC better than the NFC?

eagles, lions, packers, cardinals, rams, 49ers are 6 of the 10 worst teams...the bears have yet to win a game when they have ever been down by more than 3. the giants are 2-3 on the road with wins against the niners and a very depleted eagles team.

[Jesse2]

If you think the nfc is better than the afc you should be shot.

They blew out the niners...that doesnt prove anything to me.When they beat the colts ill come in here and give them credit but other than that when I see that the seahawks lost to the redskins and jaguars im skeptic of them untill they prove otherwise.

I guess I don't follow the logic here. The ONLY way they'll be a "good team" is if they beat (arguably) one of the best teams EVER?

the redskins were playing much better in the beginning of the year, and the Jags have a shot at #2 in the AFC. I don't understand why people can't give them credit until then.

They are not as good as the Colts, but they are the best team in the NFC.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I guess I don't follow the logic here. The ONLY way they'll be a "good team" is if they beat (arguably) one of the best teams EVER?

the redskins were playing much better in the beginning of the year, and the Jags have a shot at #2 in the AFC. I don't understand why people can't give them credit until then.

They are not as good as the Colts, but they are the best team in the NFC.
Why don't we not argue about whether the Colts or Seahawks will win in Week 16 because BOTH TEAMS WILL BE PLAYING BACKUPS BY THEN ANYWAYS.

Home field advantage is locked up for the Colts and only 1 win away for the Seahawks (who play Tennessee next week).

The game's going to be Seneca Wallace vs. Jim Sorgi. ooooh, can't wait to see THAT QB showdown!

[still_life]

Best in the NFC still means nothing more than 4th or 5th best in the NFL. NFC West is still the 2nd worst division in the league.

[Jesse2]

Why don't we not argue about whether the Colts or Seahawks will win in Week 16 because BOTH TEAMS WILL BE PLAYING BACKUPS BY THEN ANYWAYS.

Home field advantage is locked up for the Colts and only 1 win away for the Seahawks (who play Tennessee next week).

The game's going to be Seneca Wallace vs. Jim Sorgi. ooooh, can't wait to see THAT QB showdown!

i wasn't arguing about who would win. i was asking why it takes a seattle win over indy for people to give them any credit.

[Doug]

you're seriously gonna say that the steelers are one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the league, aren't you? who are your top 5 teams in the league?

[Jesse2]

you're seriously gonna say that the steelers are one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the league, aren't you? who are your top 5 teams in the league?

i bet it'll be the steelers and every team that beat them.

[still_life]

AFC teams are battle tested. The NFC is a bunch of mediocre teams that have hardly no playoff experience or recent success.

Indy
Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
New England
Kansas City
San Diego
Jacksonville

Compare that to

Seattle
Carolina
Chicago
New York
Minnesota
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Dallas

Not even close.

[asianxcore]

Still Life, who are your top eight teams in the NFL?

[Jesse2]

AFC teams are battle tested. The NFC is a bunch of mediocre teams that have hardly no playoff experience or recent success.

Indy
Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
New England
Kansas City
San Diego
Jacksonville

Compare that to

Seattle
Carolina
Chicago
New York
Minnesota
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Dallas

Not even close.

that's retarded. playoff experience and previous years are meaningless when it comes to THIS YEAR. Look at the 4 teams from last year's championship games... how many are going to be there again this year? ZERO.

let's look at this year, not last year. the steelers are 8-5, not 15-1. the patriots are 8-5, not 14-2.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

AFC teams are battle tested. The NFC is a bunch of mediocre teams that have hardly no playoff experience or recent success.

Indy
Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
New England
Kansas City
San Diego
Jacksonville

Compare that to

Seattle
Carolina
Chicago
New York
Minnesota
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Dallas

Not even close.
Jacksonville and Cincinnati were in the playoffs recently?

[commatosa]

AFC teams are battle tested. The NFC is a bunch of mediocre teams that have hardly no playoff experience or recent success.

Indy
Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
New England
Kansas City
San Diego
Jacksonville

Compare that to

Seattle
Carolina
Chicago
New York
Minnesota
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Dallas

Not even close.

yes, because the NFC doesn't go to the playoffs. AFC only has the playoffs right? I guess we'll just wait until the super bowl and then all of you AFC retards get to eat your words. An interesting statistic (if anyone has it) would be to compare the NFC vs. AFC this year (wins and losses) and who's leading.

[Doug]

it's pretty ridiculous arguing with this kid about this

[justinevans]

Top 5 Teams - Indy, Seattle, Denver, Cincy, Pitt

[asianxcore]

yes, because the NFC doesn't go to the playoffs. AFC only has the playoffs right? I guess we'll just wait until the super bowl and then all of you AFC retards get to eat your words. An interesting statistic (if anyone has it) would be to compare the NFC vs. AFC this year (wins and losses) and who's leading.
AFC leads 27-25, I just did it in my head so there is room for error.

[commatosa]

AFC leads 27-25, I just did it in my head so there is room for error.

well, we'll just pretend that this is accurate (maybe it is, maybe it isn't). The point is neither conference is better than the other. They're arguably equal. And it really pisses me off when everyone says (in a retarded voice) "the NFC is so pathetic; the AFC is way better."

[hockey0001]

well, we'll just pretend that this is accurate (maybe it is, maybe it isn't). The point is neither conference is better than the other. They're arguably equal. And it really pisses me off when everyone says (in a retarded voice) "the NFC is so pathetic; the AFC is way better."

But the AFC is better. The NFC basically only has one team, seattle, thats could compete with the top teams from the AFC. Indy is much better than everyone. Denver, Cincinatti, and Seattle are about equal. San Diego and Pitt are better than Cowboys and Giants.

[Jesse2]

But the AFC is better. The NFC basically only has one team, seattle, thats could compete with the top teams from the AFC. Indy is much better than everyone. Denver, Cincinatti, and Seattle are about equal. San Diego and Pitt are better than Cowboys and Giants.

i agree with you. BUT it pisses me off when people don't give the seahawks credit because they're in the NFC.

[chroma23]

Seahawks are the best team in the nfc? Yes

Seahawks will beat the colts? no

NFC better then AFC? no, not for the past few years.


There is nothing wrong with the NFC it's just that they just aren't as talented.

[commatosa]

Seahawks are the best team in the nfc? Yes

Seahawks will beat the colts? no

NFC better then AFC? no, not for the past few years.


There is nothing wrong with the NFC it's just that they just aren't as talented.

Are the seahawks the second best team in the NFL? Yes. Do they have THE best offense in the NFL? Yes.

And you answered your second question incorrectly (knock on wood).

[still_life]

If you think Seattle has the best offense in the NFL, then you should just give up talking about football. That's pathetic.

[hockey0001]

Are the seahawks the second best team in the NFL? Yes. Do they have THE best offense in the NFL? Yes.

And you answered your second question incorrectly (knock on wood).

Seahawks offense isnt 2nd best. Id say theyre around 4 or 5.

[Jesse2]

If you think Seattle has the best offense in the NFL, then you should just give up talking about football. That's pathetic.

Personally, I think the Colts have the best offense, but going into last monday night's game they were ranked #1 (i'm not sure what the criteria was, or even who ranked them, i think i read it on si.com or espn.com). Somehow that same ranking dropped them to #2 after beating the Eagles 42-0.

[marrost]

if you still think the Seahawks aren't the best team in the NFC, then you need to be shot. The bears and the panthers both lost. The Seahawks, once again, beat the shit out of their opponent. And now they have a 2 game lead for home field advantage with 3 weeks left to go....can't wait for them to play the Colts and embarass them!! I thank you.Someone probably pointed this out already, but the Seahawks played the 49ers, while the Bears and the Panthers actually played decent teams in the Steelers and Bucs. And their division is god awful. We'll see who needs to be shot when the playoffs roll around. I don't discredit them, but if you think they have a chance in hell against the Colts regular line-up then you don't know shit.

[Scott Weber]

Personally, I think the Colts have the best offense, but going into last monday night's game they were ranked #1 (i'm not sure what the criteria was, or even who ranked them, i think i read it on si.com or espn.com). Somehow that same ranking dropped them to #2 after beating the Eagles 42-0.
it's because all their points were scored on defensive touchdowns (21 of them were) and another TD was because of a forced fumble at the 2....

[AshesAshes]

Hahaha seahawks best offense in the nfl?The best offense in the nfl wouldnt submit a turnover to the 49ers.Do they have a good offense yes they do but not the best.

[commatosa]

um guys....it's not my opinion that they have the best offense in the NFL. They do. Sorry still life, I do know what I'm talking about. Then again, it could be like 2nd, but for a few weeks, they had the highest ranked offense in the NFL.

[Drew Beringer]

Seahawks have blown out two poor teams, they are good, but not gods. They will not beat the Colts if the Colts play their starters.

[Goodbye Forever]

um guys....it's not my opinion that they have the best offense in the NFL. They do. Sorry still life, I do know what I'm talking about. Then again, it could be like 2nd, but for a few weeks, they had the highest ranked offense in the NFL.

Or it could be fourth.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Rankings&conference=NFL&year=season_2005&sort=530&old_category=Total&old_group=Offense

[YouMadeTheScene]

Statistically before this week Seattle is the 4th best Offense in the league. If I had to take a healthy offense for an entire year I would probably go with this ranking.

Indy
San Diego
Cincy
Denver
Kansas City
Seattle

I''d even consider putting Atlanta in front of Seattle because of the running game and the fact that Vick has shown he can throw the ball much better I think this year, not to mention his obvious explosiveness.

The thing with Seattle is they have no receiving corps. I mean I don't mind Matt Hasselback but he is not a first tier QB. I think he is a formidable QB who does a good job but he isn't a game breaker. Not to mention they don't have a real number on WR.

[commatosa]

Statistically before this week Seattle is the 4th best Offense in the league. If I had to take a healthy offense for an entire year I would probably go with this ranking.

Indy
San Diego
Cincy
Denver
Kansas City
Seattle

I''d even consider putting Atlanta in front of Seattle because of the running game and the fact that Vick has shown he can throw the ball much better I think this year, not to mention his obvious explosiveness.

The thing with Seattle is they have no receiving corps. I mean I don't mind Matt Hasselback but he is not a first tier QB. I think he is a formidable QB who does a good job but he isn't a game breaker. Not to mention they don't have a real number on WR.

um atlanta has a better running game than seattle? Shaun Alexander? Mack Strong? The most dominant offensive line in the league? Also, Seattle beat Atlanta, before they got hot. And the teams you put before seattle....ridiculous. You obviously are obsessed with the AFC. No receiving corps? Their best receiver, Darrel Jackson, has been injured. Joe Jurivicius stepped it up and he's one of the best in the league. Same with Bobby Engram. Matt Hasselbeck has a quarterback rating that many teams would dream of. There's basically no legitimacy to your post.

[still_life]

Indy, San Diego, KC, Cincy, and Denver all have better offenses than Seattle.

[Goodbye Forever]

um atlanta has a better running game than seattle? Shaun Alexander? Mack Strong? The most dominant offensive line in the league? Also, Seattle beat Atlanta, before they got hot. And the teams you put before seattle....ridiculous. You obviously are obsessed with the AFC. No receiving corps? Their best receiver, Darrel Jackson, has been injured. Joe Jurivicius stepped it up and he's one of the best in the league. Same with Bobby Engram. Matt Hasselbeck has a quarterback rating that many teams would dream of. There's basically no legitimacy to your post.

I love it. You call him biased towards the AFC (which is funny, because I'm relatively certain he's a Giants fan), yet this entire thread you've ignored anything legitimite against Seattle. Biased much?

I posted the offensive rankings above. Indy, KC and Cincy are all statistically better than Seattle offensively, yet there's "no legitimacy" to his post.

Joe Jurevicious and Bobby Engram are two of the best wide recievers in the league? That must be why neither of them are in the Top 20 in the NFL in receptions or yards.

[justinevans]

seattle is third in points scored not including this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ppg&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005
their def is 7th in points allowed now including this week.

[Drew Beringer]

I love it. You call him biased towards the AFC (which is funny, because I'm relatively certain he's a Giants fan), yet this entire thread you've ignored anything legitimite against Seattle. Biased much?

I posted the offensive rankings above. Indy, KC and Cincy are all statistically better than Seattle offensively, yet there's "no legitimacy" to his post.

Joe Jurevicious and Bobby Engram are two of the best wide recievers in the league? That must be why neither of them are in the Top 20 in the NFL in receptions or yards.

Don't worry about it, dude is just blinded by his Seahawks.

[Talib Scottie]

an NFC team will not win the super bowl. the end.

[commatosa]

I love it. You call him biased towards the AFC (which is funny, because I'm relatively certain he's a Giants fan), yet this entire thread you've ignored anything legitimite against Seattle. Biased much?

I posted the offensive rankings above. Indy, KC and Cincy are all statistically better than Seattle offensively, yet there's "no legitimacy" to his post.

Joe Jurevicious and Bobby Engram are two of the best wide recievers in the league? That must be why neither of them are in the Top 20 in the NFL in receptions or yards.

listen brotha....I'm trying to defend the seahawks and demand some respect for the good team that they obviously are. Some people won't even admit that they're the best team in the NFC. That's where I was going with this whole thread. I started out saying that they're the best in the NFC. Cause a lot of experts have been saying the panthers are the best in the NFC.

[selftitled85]

it was by pure luck they beat the giants. if they played again there is no doubt in my mind that ny would come out on top.

[FASSWcore]

no question, the colts will beat the seahawks..why bother bringing it up

[commatosa]

no question, the colts will beat the seahawks..why bother bringing it up

I guess we'll get a preview in 2 weeks. Hopefully they're both playing their starters by then. Cause if the Seahawks beat the Titans next week, they get home field advantage. Let's hope they decide to be the Colts' spoiler.

[xearlynovemberx]

whoopie they beat the fucking 49ers

[commatosa]

by the way fellas...AFC teams vs. NFC teams this year is 25-25. Just like I said, one isn't better than the other.

[xearlynovemberx]

it was by pure luck they beat the giants. if they played again there is no doubt in my mind that ny would come out on top.

they got very lucky

[Jerm]

um atlanta has a better running game than seattle? Shaun Alexander? Mack Strong? The most dominant offensive line in the league? .
when seattles offensive line can produce a 1500 yard rusher out of pretty much any running back in the league then i will call them the best offensive line untill then please look at Denver (unless you where talking about just the NFC and not the entire NFL). You make some bold statment when it comes to the seahawks im not doubting they are a good team i just dont think they are as good as you make them out to be. Im biased towards Tampa in the NFC but yeah the seahawks are most likley the best team in NFC.. 4th best in the league i would say.

[Goodbye Forever]

by the way fellas...AFC teams vs. NFC teams this year is 25-25. Just like I said, one isn't better than the other.

The top eight in the AFC is 7-4 against the top eight in the NFC. You can take that as you will, it's just something to throw out there...

[selftitled85]

when seattles offensive line can produce a 1500 yard rusher out of pretty much any running back in the league then i will call them the best offensive line untill then please look at Denver (unless you where talking about just the NFC and not the entire NFL). You make some bold statment when it comes to the seahawks im not doubting they are a good team i just dont think they are as good as you make them out to be. Im biased towards Tampa in the NFC but yeah the seahawks are most likley the best team in NFC.. 4th best in the league i would say.


the most dominant line? bull fucking shit...

they got pwned by the giants and they dont compare to the line in indy, pitt, or denver.

[selftitled85]

The top eight in the AFC is 7-4 against the top eight in the NFC. You can take that as you will, it's just something to throw out there...

i think the afc has the best team:indy

but the nfc has much better depth and competition: sea, chicago, nyg, car, atl, tb, minn, dal...etc

[hockey0001]

i think the afc has the best team:indy

but the nfc has much better depth and competition: sea, chicago, nyg, car, atl, tb, minn, dal...etc

Indy, Cinci, Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, New England, Jacksonville,

[commatosa]

the most dominant line? bull fucking shit...

they got pwned by the giants and they dont compare to the line in indy, pitt, or denver.

yes, they definitely got pwned by the giants. what was the final score to that game? Just curious.

[justinevans]

i think the afc has the best team:indy

but the nfc has much better depth and competition: sea, chicago, nyg, car, atl, tb, minn, dal...etc

are you kidding me?

go look @ the standings again.

[justinevans]

they got very lucky

the giants got lucky. shockey's td was not a touchdown.

[Jesse2]

it was by pure luck they beat the giants. if they played again there is no doubt in my mind that ny would come out on top.

you could almost make the argument that the giants might not be better than the hawks because it took them OT to beat the eagles (in philly), one week after the seahawks beat the eagles 42-0 (in philly). almost.

i think the offenses better than seattle's would be: colts, bengals, and broncos, and then chiefs and chargers when they're on. when those two aren't on, they're definitely not that impressive (KC vs. buffalo for example).

[Scott Weber]

seattle's a better team than NY. look at how NY struggled with a terrible team like Philly yesterday...Eli lacks expierence.

[Jerm]

the most dominant line? bull fucking shit...

they got pwned by the giants and they dont compare to the line in indy, pitt, or denver.

dude please read my post i was saying that theres no way seattles line is the best, commatosa is the one that said it was the best... i was saying denvers is the best because they can produce 1500 yard rushers out of pretty much anyone

[Scott Weber]

dude please read my post i was saying that theres no way seattles line is the best, commatosa is the one that said it was the best... i was saying denvers is the best because they can produce 1500 yard rushers out of pretty much anyone
I attest Denver's success with running to Shanahan's offensive tactics, not necessarily the line. The Hawks have Shaun getting 1100+ in 5 straight years (1300+ in 4), and before that Ricky Watters got 3 straight years of 1200+. Not saying it's the absolute best, but it's very very good, especially that left side (thanks Walter)

[Jerm]

I attest Denver's success with running to Shanahan's offensive tactics, not necessarily the line. The Hawks have Shaun getting 1100+ in 5 straight years (1300+ in 4), and before that Ricky Watters got 3 straight years of 1200+. Not saying it's the absolute best, but it's very very good, especially that left side (thanks Walter)

1995- 1117 yards- terrel davis
1996- 1538 yards- terrel davis
1997- 1750 yards- terrel davis
1998- 2008 yards- terrel davis
1999- 1159 yards- olandis gary
2000- 1487 yards- mike anderson
2001- didnt have a 1000 yard rusher two runing backs split duties both with about 700 yards each
2002- 1508 yards- clinton portis
2003- 1591 yards- clinton portis
2004- 1240 yards- ruben droughns

a little of that has to do with the offensive line cant all just be mikes offensive tactics

[Scott Weber]

1995- 1117 yards- terrel davis
1996- 1538 yards- terrel davis
1997- 1750 yards- terrel davis
1998- 2008 yards- terrel davis
1999- 1159 yards- olandis gary
2000- 1487 yards- mike anderson
2001- didnt have a 1000 yard rusher two runing backs split duties both with about 700 yards each
2002- 1508 yards- clinton portis
2003- 1591 yards- clinton portis
2004- 1240 yards- ruben droughns

a little of that has to do with the offensive line cant all just be mikes offensive tactics
it's widely known that any running back can succeed under Shanahan's offense. The line in Denver is solid, but it's not the best.

[Jerm]

yeah thats true everyone can improve somehow.. i guess from the begging i shouldnt have said best. i was really just trying to prove that seattles isnt the best like coma said it was.

[Scott Weber]

yeah thats true everyone can improve somehow.. i guess from the begging i shouldnt have said best. i was really just trying to prove that seattles isnt the best like coma said it was.
so prove that it isn't?

[xearlynovemberx]

seattle's a better team than NY. look at how NY struggled with a terrible team like Philly yesterday...Eli lacks expierence.

a win is a win thats all that matters

[Jesse2]

a win is a win thats all that matters

then seattle is better in that respect too. they beat the giants.

[selftitled85]

seattle's a better team than NY. look at how NY struggled with a terrible team like Philly yesterday...Eli lacks expierence.


so? taking your rationale the seahawks lost to the redskins while the giants trumped them 36-0...giants also beat the rams 44-24 while you beat them the first time 37-31. the first time you also barely beat san fran. granted the game yesterday was ridiculous but you still almost lost to the 49ers...

[justinevans]

so? taking your rationale the seahawks lost to the redskins while the giants trumped them 36-0...giants also beat the rams 44-24 while you beat them the first time 37-31. the first time you also barely beat san fran. granted the game yesterday was ridiculous but you still almost lost to the 49ers...

the 49ers play well @ home. The Giants are 2-3 on the road (1 win against a depleted eagles team and another against a 49ers team, which they did not win easily. it was 10-6 going into the 4th. Both the rams and Seahawks were 2-2 going into that game. The game was also in Seattle and Bulger was playing. Seattle lost in Washington in overtime. And we could call that loss lucky like the giant fans call the lost to Seattle because Josh Brown hit the left upright at the end of regulation.

Seattle has 2 losses....the Giants have 4.

[Doug]

i doubt shaun alexander would be as good without his offensive line, just like terrell davis's talent was probably inflated by his line

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Maybe this has been pointed out, Maybe it hasnt, but Hasselbeck went to Boston College. Go Seattle!

[Doug]

http://i09-8.facebook.com/pics/4/5/n5715496_4254.jpg

[selftitled85]

the 49ers play well @ home. The Giants are 2-3 on the road (1 win against a depleted eagles team and another against a 49ers team, which they did not win easily. it was 10-6 going into the 4th. Both the rams and Seahawks were 2-2 going into that game. The game was also in Seattle and Bulger was playing. Seattle lost in Washington in overtime. And we could call that loss lucky like the giant fans call the lost to Seattle because Josh Brown hit the left upright at the end of regulation.

Seattle has 2 losses....the Giants have 4.

bulger was playing in the game against the giants too. it was also on the road. and seattle missed one field goal...thats normal...the giants missed 3...by a kicker who had been lights out for many yrs. and the giants were up 10-6 in the last quarter and then beat them up in the 4th...seattle was completely outplayed by the niners until the end of the game.

[justinevans]

bulger was playing in the game against the giants too. it was also on the road. and seattle missed one field goal...thats normal...the giants missed 3...by a kicker who had been lights out for many yrs. and the giants were up 10-6 in the last quarter and then beat them up in the 4th...seattle was completely outplayed by the niners until the end of the game.

well it was 27-12 until the seahawks defense collapsed in the 4th. also the giants played in new york and not in st. louis. one of new york's 9 home games this year. The Giants will lost to KC, @ Washington, and beat Oakland.

[selftitled85]

well it was 27-12 until the seahawks defense collapsed in the 4th. also the giants played in new york and not in st. louis. one of new york's 9 home games this year. The Giants will lost to KC, @ Washington, and beat Oakland.

giants can handle offensively with kc. they already toasted wash so i dont know. i could see the giants running the table.

seattle has it tough ahead...

and yeah i messed up...the giants game was at home.

[Jesse2]

seattle has it tough ahead...

waaaa? they'll end the year 13-3.

the colts are the only good team the hawks have to play.

the titans? please

the packers? not this year.

[justinevans]

giants can handle offensively with kc. they already toasted wash so i dont know. i could see the giants running the table.

seattle has it tough ahead...

and yeah i messed up...the giants game was at home.

they play Tennesse, Indy, and Green Bay? I'm pretty sure if Seattle wins one of those game they lock up home-field. more importantly the Green Bay game. that would leave them with a 11-1 Conference record and they beat Atlanta and NY. Chicago is the only team that could challenge their conference record right now since they are 8-1 in the conference.

[selftitled85]

they play Tennesse, Indy, and Green Bay? I'm pretty sure if Seattle wins one of those game they lock up home-field. more importantly the Green Bay game. that would leave them with a 11-1 Conference record and they beat Atlanta and NY. Chicago is the only team that could challenge their conference record right now since they are 8-1 in the conference.


tenn is pretty tough no matter what. people can say they are no good but they could play spoiler. indy vs seattle could be a good game...

green bay you should win. but this yr...almost no game is a gimme...

[xearlynovemberx]

tenn is pretty tough no matter what. people can say they are no good but they could play spoiler. indy vs seattle could be a good game...

green bay you should win. but this yr...almost no game is a gimme...

kinda off topic but tiki could def be mvp
but he has no chance with shaun alexander breaking the td record(if he does)

[Scott Weber]

bulger was playing in the game against the giants too. it was also on the road. and seattle missed one field goal...thats normal...the giants missed 3...by a kicker who had been lights out for many yrs. and the giants were up 10-6 in the last quarter and then beat them up in the 4th...seattle was completely outplayed by the niners until the end of the game.
rofl, i guess you didn't actually see that game...seattle hasn't been "outplayed the entire game" by anybody this year, save for the very first game vs. Jax...Seattle was way ahead in that game and let SF sneak back to contention. you're wrong, you keep making statements without researching them, so it's hard for you to get any credibility here.

[itsjdiggity]

tenn is pretty tough no matter what. people can say they are no good but they could play spoiler. indy vs seattle could be a good game...

green bay you should win. but this yr...almost no game is a gimme...

i think tennessee can give them a pretty tough game...titans got all their points yesterday on special teams

[RyuTseTung]

Cowboys games have all been close this year... if Bledsoe plays like he did this previous week, the Boys could be a competitive team in the playoffs this year...

[selftitled85]

rofl, i guess you didn't actually see that game...seattle hasn't been "outplayed the entire game" by anybody this year, save for the very first game vs. Jax...Seattle was way ahead in that game and let SF sneak back to contention. you're wrong, you keep making statements without researching them, so it's hard for you to get any credibility here.

except for the fact that seattle was behind at the half and didnt gain the lead back until the 4th...

edit: i got the two teams mixed up. i thought san fran was the away team the first game. woops. so yes scott i was wrong. but the game never should of been that close. they never should of let san fran "sneak back" into the game...

[selftitled85]

i think tennessee can give them a pretty tough game...titans got all their points yesterday on special teams

and giants special teams has been testy...they lost to minn without giving up an offensive td. they let a punt return and a kick return for a td and then missed an fg.

[Jesse2]

except for the fact that seattle was behind at the half and didnt gain the lead back until the 4th...

are you on glue?

seattle was up 17-9 at the half, and 27-12 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

it's not exactly a hard stat to track down.

they've never been down by more than 4 points after the half (4 points twice, 3 points once).

[selftitled85]

are you on glue?

seattle was up 17-9 at the half, and 27-12 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

it's not exactly a hard stat to track down.

they've never been down by more than 4 points after the half (4 points twice, 3 points once).

yeah i fixed my post. i realized that. i got the two teams mixed up for some reason. nonetheless...they never should of let san fran get back in it and almost let them tie it in the last seconds.

[Scott Weber]

except for the fact that seattle was behind at the half and didnt gain the lead back until the 4th...

edit: i got the two teams mixed up. i thought san fran was the away team the first game. woops. so yes scott i was wrong. but the game never should of been that close. they never should of let san fran "sneak back" into the game...
ugh, just get out already. seahawks have won 9 straight, a win is a win, let it go. giants choked against the eagles yesterday, played awful... it was fucking pathetic. it's one thing to compare victories over a team when the respective victories were 5+ weeks apart, but it's another to look at a team's performance against say, the Eagles, one week after they played Seattle. It's the most direct comparison. And San Fran came back against Seattle, in San Fran, but Seattle eliminated all doubt against them yesterday at home, and since it looks like Seattle's getting home field throughout the NFC, whoopdie doo.

[justinevans]

tenn is pretty tough no matter what. people can say they are no good but they could play spoiler. indy vs seattle could be a good game...

green bay you should win. but this yr...almost no game is a gimme...

me? i'm an eagles fan.

[selftitled85]

ugh, just get out already. seahawks have won 9 straight, a win is a win, let it go. giants choked against the eagles yesterday, played awful... it was fucking pathetic. it's one thing to compare victories over a team when the respective victories were 5+ weeks apart, but it's another to look at a team's performance against say, the Eagles, one week after they played Seattle. It's the most direct comparison. And San Fran came back against Seattle, in San Fran, but Seattle eliminated all doubt against them yesterday at home, and since it looks like Seattle's getting home field throughout the NFC, whoopdie doo.


when you lose 42-0 the team will either give in...like the giants did two yrs ago...or the team will play their guts out to show it was a fluke...like the eagles did yesterday. and you know what...you're right...a win is a win...and we will hopefully see you in the playoffs cuz i would love to shove the v right in your face. and the eagles are a much better team then the 49ers...i would've been happier if the giants lost to the eagles then if they choked and lost to the 9ers in the waning seconds because my team cant seal games...

[Scott Weber]

when you lose 42-0 the team will either give in...like the giants did two yrs ago...or the team will play their guts out to show it was a fluke...like the eagles did yesterday. and you know what...you're right...a win is a win...and we will hopefully see you in the playoffs cuz i would love to shove the v right in your face. and the eagles are a much better team then the 49ers...i would've been happier if the giants lost to the eagles then if they choked and lost to the 9ers in the waning seconds because my team cant seal games...
come on into our house and we'll shut you down again.

obviously the hawks don't have trouble sealing games, considering they've won 9 straight. considering the 49ers had a 2 point conversion attempt to tie it with time left on the clock for Seattle to score again, it was hardly how you make it out to be - seattle wasn't in danger of losing that game... then Seattle just smoked em last week. seriously, do you know anything about football? no offense dude, but it's just rough talking to you.

at this point, i am not sure the eagles are better than the niners without McNabb, Owens, and Westbrook. That offense is possibly the worst in the league right now.

[Jesse2]

come on into our house and we'll shut you down again.

obviously the hawks don't have trouble sealing games, considering they've won 9 straight. considering the 49ers had a 2 point conversion attempt to tie it with time left on the clock for Seattle to score again, it was hardly how you make it out to be - seattle wasn't in danger of losing that game... then Seattle just smoked em last week. seriously, do you know anything about football? no offense dude, but it's just rough talking to you.

at this point, i am not sure the eagles are better than the niners without McNabb, Owens, and Westbrook. That offense is possibly the worst in the league right now.

amen!

[commatosa]

scott weber....will you marry me? if gay marriage was legal. Anyway, it's awesome to finally see the seahawks pull away with a win in most of their close games. Cause 99% of the time in every single year of their franchise, the seahawks would be the ones that would lose the close ones. It's just a sign that maybe this might be our year. We'll know after the Indy game. And remember, the colts are coming to seattle. The Seahawks are pretty much lights out in Qwest field. I can't wait to see Peyton Manning get super frustrated because of the seahawks 12th man.

[selftitled85]

come on into our house and we'll shut you down again.

obviously the hawks don't have trouble sealing games, considering they've won 9 straight. considering the 49ers had a 2 point conversion attempt to tie it with time left on the clock for Seattle to score again, it was hardly how you make it out to be - seattle wasn't in danger of losing that game... then Seattle just smoked em last week. seriously, do you know anything about football? no offense dude, but it's just rough talking to you.

at this point, i am not sure the eagles are better than the niners without McNabb, Owens, and Westbrook. That offense is possibly the worst in the league right now.

yeah seattle did smoke both the eagles and niners. but against the same teams both the giants and hawks are basically equal. you got lucky against the cowboys because of the god awful throw made by bledsoe and you lost to the skins. the giants destroyed the skins and went 1-1 against the cowboys this yr. giants beat the niners with rather ease and were never in real trouble during the game. the only team the hawks have beaten of any relevance besides the giants and cowboys are the falcons who i find to be overrated. the giants beat the broncos, who at the time were one of the hottest teams in the league.

in the end it comes down to opinion...i find the seahawks to be a good time but have no truly proven themselves to me. until they can win the good games with more than luck...then ill believe.

[Scott Weber]

yeah seattle did smoke both the eagles and niners. but against the same teams both the giants and hawks are basically equal. you got lucky against the cowboys because of the god awful throw made by bledsoe and you lost to the skins. the giants destroyed the skins and went 1-1 against the cowboys this yr. giants beat the niners with rather ease and were never in real trouble during the game. the only team the hawks have beaten of any relevance besides the giants and cowboys are the falcons who i find to be overrated. the giants beat the broncos, who at the time were one of the hottest teams in the league.

in the end it comes down to opinion...i find the seahawks to be a good time but have no truly proven themselves to me. until they can win the good games with more than luck...then ill believe.
fallable logic. we got "unlucky" against the skins by our kicker knocking a winning FG as time expired off the crossbar, just like we got "lucky" against the cowboys (which actually our D made a great play on the ball and read it all the way). talk all you want about strength of schedule, but the giants have found a way to lose 4 games. I like how you said the only team we beat of any relevance was 1 team....plus 2. So that's 3 wins against quality opponents (by your standards), nice try on twisting words to make that sound different.

p.s. - by rather ease, I think you mean relative ease. As did Seattle...both games. If you saw the first game you'd know that. Or, if you did any research at all.

p.p.s. - your giants still lost to my hawks at home. a win is a win, and a kicker is part of the team. see you in seattle again where our fans will draw you to what, 20 false starts?

[selftitled85]

fallable logic. we got "unlucky" against the skins by our kicker knocking a winning FG as time expired off the crossbar, just like we got "lucky" against the cowboys (which actually our D made a great play on the ball and read it all the way). talk all you want about strength of schedule, but the giants have found a way to lose 4 games. I like how you said the only team we beat of any relevance was 1 team....plus 2. So that's 3 wins against quality opponents (by your standards), nice try on twisting words to make that sound different.

p.s. - by rather ease, I think you mean relative ease. As did Seattle...both games. If you saw the first game you'd know that. Or, if you did any research at all.

p.p.s. - your giants still lost to my hawks at home. a win is a win, and a kicker is part of the team. see you in seattle again where our fans will draw you to what, 20 false starts?


if the giants go offsides that many times again there will be serious problems. i couldnt fucking believe it. and i meant to say the only other team that has been decent outside of the giants and cowboys has been the falcons. and no you definitely got lucky against the cowboys. your cb may have made a good play on the ball but bledsoe should be smart enough to not make ill advised throws at the end of the game. so yes a good play by the cb...but an awful play by bledsoe...which is why i see it as being a good break/lucky.

[Scott Weber]

if the giants go offsides that many times again there will be serious problems. i couldnt fucking believe it. and i meant to say the only other team that has been decent outside of the giants and cowboys has been the falcons. and no you definitely got lucky against the cowboys. your cb may have made a good play on the ball but bledsoe should be smart enough to not make ill advised throws at the end of the game. so yes a good play by the cb...but an awful play by bledsoe...which is why i see it as being a good break/lucky.
lucky? we would have forced overtime without the pick, then who knows what happens. Plus, Brown had to hit a 50-yarder to win it.

[still_life]

I'd like to see a Giants/Seahawks rematch, that was a pretty good game. I don't think one team is far superior to the other.

[selftitled85]

lucky? we would have forced overtime without the pick, then who knows what happens. Plus, Brown had to hit a 50-yarder to win it.

i know. if it went into ot it may of ended differently...or the same...but it would not of been caused by an awful throw by a qb who 95% of the time knows better...id say thats pretty lucky...

and yes brown made a good kick. its nothing against brown. im just saying you guys have been getting a lot of great breaks this year...the pic against dal...3 missed field goals by a kicker who had missed only one kick going in...your playing well...but to say that luck has played no part is foolish.

[somethingyellow]

seattle will win the nfc, just can't seeing them lose at home

[selftitled85]

seattle will win the nfc, just can't seeing them lose at home


the nfc is busted wide open...every team with a chance is flawed in one significant way or another. honestly...any team could lose to any team out there it seems...

[still_life]

I'd kill to see another "we want the ball and we're going to score" moment. I'm not sure what to make of Hasselbeck's small post-season career. He did go over 300 yards and lead his team to 20 pts in each game, and that's good. Alexander, aside from 3 easy TDs, really didn't show up in either game. The defense wasn't too good either. The pick against St. Louis wasn't his fault, it was tipped. But I just can't erase the images of that bald man saying that against GB, then throwing a horrible pass to sink his team in OT, then I still think he should have ran the ball at the end against the Rams. He threw an awkward pass that could have been caught, but was dropped, ending their year.

[selftitled85]

I'd kill to see another "we want the ball and we're going to score" moment. I'm not sure what to make of Hasselbeck's small post-season career. He did go over 300 yards and lead his team to 20 pts in each game, and that's good. Alexander, aside from 3 easy TDs, really didn't show up in either game. The defense wasn't too good either. The pick against St. Louis wasn't his fault, it was tipped. But I just can't erase the images of that bald man saying that against GB, then throwing a horrible pass to sink his team in OT, then I still think he should have ran the ball at the end against the Rams. He threw an awkward pass that could have been caught, but was dropped, ending their year.

hey man i liked hasselback saying "we want the ball etc..." it shows confidence in your team. if they scored everyone would've been like...wow good job matt...instead they failed...i find it to be the correct call. i honestly think that whoever has to play minn in the playoffs is sufficiently fucked.

but im going to bed...night.

[still_life]

I like that he said it there, but I don't like that he said it to where it was able to be broadcasted over the PA system, so all of Lambeau can hear it. That's putting extra pressure on yourself and your team on the road, and he choked.

[Jesse2]

the nfc is busted wide open...every team with a chance is flawed in one significant way or another. honestly...any team could lose to any team out there it seems...

what's seattle's significant flaw?

[justinevans]

what's seattle's significant flaw?

Their defense is inconsistent and they have benefited from a soft schedule. I still think they are a top 3 team in the entire league, but they are their flaws.

[Jesse2]

Their defense is inconsistent and they have benefited from a soft schedule. I still think they are a top 3 team in the entire league, but they are their flaws.

i'd hardly call their defense, especially of late, a significant flaw.

also, their schedule isn't a flaw. it'll help get them home-field, but it's not a flaw.

[mikeford]

i'd have a lot more confidence in seattle if their defensive leader didnt get hit in the head with a street sign and need brain surgery earlier this year.

[Jesse2]

i'd have a lot more confidence in seattle if their defensive leader didnt get hit in the head with a street sign and need brain surgery earlier this year.

ouch.

well maybe he can come back and play a sunday night game and have the espn crew verbally slob his knob for 4 hours (no matter how many missed tackles he racks up).

then we can start a campaign for him to be in the hall of fame.

[selftitled85]

i'd hardly call their defense, especially of late, a significant flaw.

also, their schedule isn't a flaw. it'll help get them home-field, but it's not a flaw.


the d got torn to shreds by the giants.

the last two games they have been good. but until they prove that against a real good team...well i call the d a liability.

[Scott Weber]

I'd kill to see another "we want the ball and we're going to score" moment. I'm not sure what to make of Hasselbeck's small post-season career. He did go over 300 yards and lead his team to 20 pts in each game, and that's good. Alexander, aside from 3 easy TDs, really didn't show up in either game. The defense wasn't too good either. The pick against St. Louis wasn't his fault, it was tipped. But I just can't erase the images of that bald man saying that against GB, then throwing a horrible pass to sink his team in OT, then I still think he should have ran the ball at the end against the Rams. He threw an awkward pass that could have been caught, but was dropped, ending their year.
Ugh, that was a rough, rough year. As soon as Matt said that, I was like "fuck, are you kidding me?" But I think Matt's learned a lot in the past 2 years. I feel like the Seahawk defense is much improved as a whole this year, not by yardage persay, but by not letting huge plays get away from them. The defensive line has pretty much completely overturned in the past 3 years, and Tatupu is the defensive rookie of the year, in my mind. Still, the secondary is very, very hurt, and against a team with a spectacular passing attack (colts) the Hawks could really get burned if their starters aren't healthy. (which won't happen, dyson and hamlin are out for the year)

[Scott Weber]

i'd have a lot more confidence in seattle if their defensive leader didnt get hit in the head with a street sign and need brain surgery earlier this year.
Haha, you ass. How does that have anything to do with Seattle as a whole? Dude got sucker-punched outside a bar. Cracked his skull open. I would hardly consider Hamlin the defensive leader, btw.

[Scott Weber]

the d got torn to shreds by the giants.

the last two games they have been good. but until they prove that against a real good team...well i call the d a liability.
Torn to shreds? 24 points along with a win means torn to shreds? Yards doesn't mean anything if the D doesn't allow you to score. God, your NY bias is sickening...at least everyone else in here can look at things objectively. (By the way, Seattle allowed Dallas to score 10 points and Atlanta 18 (on a mere 228 yards) "They played a great defensive scheme," Vick said. "They did some things that threw us off balance."

By the way, NY has a whole lot more liablities than Seattle...Eli. Offensive line. Penalties. Kicking.

[bigmike]

Seattle's good. they are the best team in the NFC. which is nice and all but it still makes them the 4th best team in the league (1. Indy, 2. Denver, 3. Cincy) and the runner up in the Superbowl.

But to be fair, who have they really beaten this year? There the best team in the worst division in the NFC. If you think the NFC north is bad, the NFC West is worst.

NFC North combined record - 24-28
NFC West combined record - 22-30
(I found it interesting)

But really, does it matter if they're the best in the nfc if it makes them only the 4th best team (could make a case for the 5th best) in the league? Sure they deserve credit, but they're not winning the super bowl. it's basically a moot point.

[Jesse2]

the d got torn to shreds by the giants.

the last two games they have been good. but until they prove that against a real good team...well i call the d a liability.

the defense allows an average of 16.2 points per game, while the offense averages 29.2 PPG.

only 3 teams have given up fewer points than the seahawks...

indy: duh
bears: the D has given up 63 fewer points, but the hawks have scored 169 more points.
tampa bay: the D has given up 2 less points than the seahaws, but the hawks have scored 133 more.

meanwhile, only the colts have scored more points than the seahawks.

chalk it up to a weak schedule if you want, but the bottom line is they're coming through on both sides of the ball, and they deserve some respect.

[bigmike]

they've got my respect, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter; Indy wins the super bowl.

[Jesse2]

they've got my respect, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter; Indy wins the super bowl.

i agree. i've never seen a team manhandle teams the way indy does. they make solid teams look stupid.

[mikeford]

Haha, you ass. How does that have anything to do with Seattle as a whole? Dude got sucker-punched outside a bar. Cracked his skull open. I would hardly consider Hamlin the defensive leader, btw.

it has to do with their defensive unit as a whole. its an injury, like any other, it just happened that he got hit with a street sign, instead of getting hurt on the field.

[Scott Weber]

it has to do with their defensive unit as a whole. its an injury, like any other, it just happened that he got hit with a street sign, instead of getting hurt on the field.
....I don't see your point. Are football players not allowed to go out to bars? Is it his fault somebody smacked him across the skull? Why are there different standards?

[selftitled85]

Torn to shreds? 24 points along with a win means torn to shreds? Yards doesn't mean anything if the D doesn't allow you to score. God, your NY bias is sickening...at least everyone else in here can look at things objectively. (By the way, Seattle allowed Dallas to score 10 points and Atlanta 18 (on a mere 228 yards) "They played a great defensive scheme," Vick said. "They did some things that threw us off balance."

By the way, NY has a whole lot more liablities than Seattle...Eli. Offensive line. Penalties. Kicking.


id call giving up 490 yds of total offense getting torn to shreds. you are right...they didnt lose...but if the giants kicker hadnt sucked a fatty and if the giants had any semblance of a red zone offense...that 21 could've easily been 30 or more..

[YankeeFan21323]

id call giving up 490 yds of total offense getting torn to shreds. you are right...they didnt lose...but if the giants kicker hadnt sucked a fatty and if the giants had any semblance of a red zone offense...that 21 could've easily been 30 or more..

in my opinion the giants won that game, eli manning is the next joe montana.

[selftitled85]

in my opinion the giants won that game, eli manning is the next joe montana.

i would not go that far. the closest to joe montana is tom brady. eli is too int prone and needs to work on his accuracy.

[YankeeFan21323]

tom brady sucks. look at their record this year. that proves that he's not that good. all he does is throw short passes. he's not a real quarterback. i think the next closest is donovan mcnabb.

[selftitled85]

tom brady sucks. look at their record this year. that proves that he's not that good. all he does is throw short passes. he's not a real quarterback. i think the next closest is donovan mcnabb.


dude no way...

tom brady wins no matter who is playing wr or te or rb. he makes plays and has one of the prettiest long balls out there. tom brady is one of the best 4th quarter qb's ever. and donovan has a lot of heart but does not compare to joe montana in any shape or form...

[YankeeFan21323]

dude no way...

tom brady wins no matter who is playing wr or te or rb. he makes plays and has one of the prettiest long balls out there. tom brady is one of the best 4th quarter qb's ever. and donovan has a lot of heart but does not compare to joe montana in any shape or form...

why? cause joe montana is white and donovan is black? it's always about race.

tom brady sucks, the jets almost beat the patriots and the jets suck so bad. tom brady is a pretty boy dipshit who has bad sportsmanship.

[selftitled85]

why? cause joe montana is white and donovan is black? it's always about race.

tom brady sucks, the jets almost beat the patriots and the jets suck so bad. tom brady is a pretty boy dipshit who has bad sportsmanship.


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please tell me your not serious...

tom has led more successful last second drives than donovan ever will in his career. tom also did it in the super bowl and in the champ game against oakland a couple years back. tom is also one of the most consistent qb's out there. and if you read this thread through...you will notice that a win is a win...no matter how close the game is...

[YankeeFan21323]

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please tell me your not serious...

tom has led more successful last second drives than donovan ever will in his career. tom also did it in the super bowl and in the champ game against oakland a couple years back. tom is also one of the most consistent qb's out there. and if you read this thread through...you will notice that a win is a win...no matter how close the game is...

racism isn't a laughing matter.

in my opinion, the eagles won the super bowl last year. to and dm were both hurt. they should have won.

[selftitled85]

racism isn't a laughing matter.

in my opinion, the eagles won the super bowl last year. to and dm were both hurt. they should have won.

um to played and had a good game. donovan wasnt hurt bad he was fine. he just folds under pressure...

tom brady is one of the finest qb's the nfl has seen recently...he combines a good arm with great precision and a great knack for the game. the only one who can lead a team better is peyton.

if there was one qb i would want to play my final two minute drive right now...it would be tom brady...i dont think even peyton can run a better 2 minute drill.

[YankeeFan21323]

um to played and had a good game. donovan wasnt hurt bad he was fine. he just folds under pressure...

tom brady is one of the finest qb's the nfl has seen recently...he combines a good arm with great precision and a great knack for the game. the only one who can lead a team better is peyton.

if there was one qb i would want to play my final two minute drive right now...it would be tom brady...i dont think even peyton can run a better 2 minute drill.

peyton manning is the best quarterback this side of eli manning and donovan mcnabb, tom brady is worse than kyle ortan. tom brady can't play under pressure. donovan mcnabb doesn't fold under pressure, he hurts himself he plays so hard.

[selftitled85]

peyton manning is the best quarterback this side of eli manning and donovan mcnabb, tom brady is worse than kyle ortan. tom brady can't play under pressure. donovan mcnabb doesn't fold under pressure, he hurts himself he plays so hard.

what the fuck was the game winning drive against the rams then? it was toms first season in the nfl and he led game winning drives in both the divisional game and the super bowl. then to have the whole buren of leading the pats after losing almost the whole team to injury...thats no pressure at all...you fucking idiot...the fact that the pats are still in line to win the afc east is a testiment to how good tom brady and bill belichick are.

[YankeeFan21323]

what the fuck was the game winning drive against the rams then? it was toms first season in the nfl and he led game winning drives in both the divisional game and the super bowl. then to have the whole buren of leading the pats after losing almost the whole team to injury...thats no pressure at all...you fucking idiot...the fact that the pats are still in line to win the afc east is a testiment to how good tom brady and bill belichick are.

no, that's all been bill belichick, if he was coaching the jets, brooks bollinger woud be that good.

[Scott Weber]

id call giving up 490 yds of total offense getting torn to shreds. you are right...they didnt lose...but if the giants kicker hadnt sucked a fatty and if the giants had any semblance of a red zone offense...that 21 could've easily been 30 or more..
blah blah blah, situational, you can go on and on about what-ifs all day. Hell, if you do that for the Seahawk's they'd be undefeated. The only thing you can't argue with is facts. Points win games.

[Scott Weber]

blah blah blah, situational, you can go on and on about what-ifs all day. Hell, if you do that for the Seahawk's they'd be undefeated. The only thing you can't argue with is facts. Points win games.
you're being ridiculous, nobody is being racist, Tom Brady leads comebacks, makes plays when they count, finds a way to win, and has Super Bowl rings. That alone makes him an outstanding quarterback. Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL under pressure, are you kidding me? Look at his playoff/comeback win statistics. This has got to be a joke.

[selftitled85]

blah blah blah, situational, you can go on and on about what-ifs all day. Hell, if you do that for the Seahawk's they'd be undefeated. The only thing you can't argue with is facts. Points win games.


no i cant argue with that. listen...the bottom line is...the seahawks are a good team...i just think talk of them winning the nfc champ is premature since i find them to be unproven.

[still_life]

if there was one qb i would want to play my final two minute drive right now...it would be tom brady...i dont think even peyton can run a better 2 minute drill.

Of course he can, Tom Brady's overrated when it comes to 2 minute drill. If you want a QB in the last 2 minutes in a tied game and you want a FG, you take Tom Brady. If you want a QB in the last 2 minutes to get you a TD or FG to win, you want Peyton Manning. Or perhaps Brett Favre even.

[YankeeFan21323]

Of course he can, Tom Brady's overrated when it comes to 2 minute drill. If you want a QB in the last 2 minutes in a tied game and you want a FG, you take Tom Brady. If you want a QB in the last 2 minutes to get you a TD or FG to win, you want Peyton Manning. Or perhaps Brett Favre even.

brett favre? wow, dumbest person on this board.

[still_life]

No that'd be you. Really, care to add any support for these wild claims you've been making here?

Brett Favre has 32 career winning drives in the 4th quarter/OT. He's one of the best the game has ever seen at a 2 minute drive.

[YankeeFan21323]

No that'd be you. Really, care to add any support for these wild claims you've been making here?

Brett Favre has 32 career winning drives in the 4th quarter/OT. He's one of the best the game has ever seen at a 2 minute drive.

yeah, and he's like 84 years old. get a brain moran.

[Scott Weber]

yeah, and he's like 84 years old. get a brain moran.
Ok dude, knock it off. I know you've got like 3 user names and now you're just posting on these to stir up shit.

[YankeeFan21323]

Ok dude, knock it off. I know you've got like 3 user names and now you're just posting on these to stir up shit.

uhh, no i don't. i just found out about this site. brett favre sucks now. that can't be argued.

[9mmREGRET]

uhh, no i don't. i just found out about this site. brett favre sucks now. that can't be argued.

what a retard.


bret favre doesnt suck, he's the only thing keeping that thing around him that some refer to as a team, from getting blown out week in and week out.

he's also probaly THE best QB other than Montana to ever play the game.

[YankeeFan21323]

what a retard.


bret favre doesnt suck, he's the only thing keeping that thing around him that some refer to as a team, from getting blown out week in and week out.

he's also probaly THE best QB other than Montana to ever play the game.

you're dumb, samkon gado is that team right now. you're such an idiot.

[Scott Weber]

uhh, no i don't. i just found out about this site. brett favre sucks now. that can't be argued.
Dude, get ouuttttttt.

[Jesse2]

why? cause joe montana is white and donovan is black? it's always about race.

tom brady sucks, the jets almost beat the patriots and the jets suck so bad. tom brady is a pretty boy dipshit who has bad sportsmanship.

congrats on making a bunch of the dumbest posts i have ever seen.

[YankeeFan21323]

congartts on bnegin gay haheahaha

[Scott Weber]

congartts on bnegin gay haheahaha
knock it off or you're gone.

[Fullcollapse3k]

knock it off or you're gone.

Enough fucking around, just ban him. Dooo it Scott, haha.

[Scott Weber]

Enough fucking around, just ban him. Dooo it Scott, haha.
it's another user just messing around. so annoying.

[bigmike]

No that'd be you. Really, care to add any support for these wild claims you've been making here?

Brett Favre has 32 career winning drives in the 4th quarter/OT. He's one of the best the game has ever seen at a 2 minute drive.

But Superbowl rings are 3 to 1 favoring Tom Brady. Plus, in those games he's lead the game winning drive each time. So, you can have your regular season stats, I'll go with the kid whose never lost in the playoffs.

[still_life]

But Superbowl rings are 3 to 1 favoring Tom Brady. Plus, in those games he's lead the game winning drive each time. So, you can have your regular season stats, I'll go with the kid whose never lost in the playoffs.

Brad Johnson 1, Dan Marino 0.
Antowain Smith 2, Barry Sanders 0.

Man get out of here with that, teams win championships. Notice how Peyton Manning has a defense for the first time in his career and they're 13-0. Notice how NE's defense was so bad at times this year, and they're 8-5.

Also remember NE has 25 takeaways in 9 playoff games, the #1 reason they kept winning. What's part of the reason NE's defense is bad? 31st in takeaways this season. Those big turnovers they usually get aren't coming this year. It's a team game.

[ChokingOnADream]

I tihnk Seattle is the 3rd best team in the leauge.

[bigmike]

Brad Johnson 1, Dan Marino 0.
Antowain Smith 2, Barry Sanders 0.

Man get out of here with that, teams win championships. Notice how Peyton Manning has a defense for the first time in his career and they're 13-0. Notice how NE's defense was so bad at times this year, and they're 8-5.

Also remember NE has 25 takeaways in 9 playoff games, the #1 reason they kept winning. What's part of the reason NE's defense is bad? 31st in takeaways this season. Those big turnovers they usually get aren't coming this year. It's a team game.

it's no question a team game, but you were talking about 4th quarter game winning drives and Tom Brady lead them all when it mattered most, in the biggest game of the year. I'm not saying that he did it all himself as a one man team. His defense is a huge part of that, you're right. I was simply stating that I'll take Tom Brady and his 3 superbowl rings and superbowl game winning drives.

And the fact that they're going to win their division with countless injuries and a bad defense is a testimate, in part, to Tom Brady.

[still_life]

He has 21 game-winning drives, with about 12 ending in FG's by Vinatieri, who's never missed a game winner. Like I said, if the game is tied and I just need a FG, I will take Tom Brady. But if it's TD or bust, I'm taking Manning.

And the fact that they're going to win their division with countless injuries and a bad defense is a testimate, in part, to Tom Brady.

Testimate? Testament? More like a testament to the amount of suckage the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins have shown this season. Dolphins only hope is to win out, and for NE to lose out.

[mat1419]

not this fucking argument again...i'm pretty sure Still_Life and I put enough pages in threads back in August to fill a series of books...I'm sitting out for once

[still_life]

Just a footnote: Aaron Brooks has 18 career game-winning drives in 4th quarter/OT, and he scored a TD in 11 of them.

[mikeford]

aaron brooks sucks, suck a dick get the fuck outta here.

if all you need is a field goal to win the game, thats what you go get. if the pats needed a TD to win those superbowls, im fairly confident brady would've made it happen.

the dude is a winner and youre just a hater and a bitch.

[still_life]

I'm just showing that there are QBs that have got it done with TDs in the 4th quarter, you just don't hear about it because they're not throwing 4 yard dump passes to RB's in a tied game to set up a mid-range FG.

Byron Leftwich - 9 game winning drives, 9 TD drives. Also 3/3 on 2pt conversion passes in those games. Who's to say he's not a very "clutch" 4th quarter QB?

[mikeford]

you play to WIN the game.

the end.

[still_life]

What's your point? Someone brought up 4th QT game-winning drives and Brady. It's not my fault the games clearly show he has little success in "TD or bust" situations at the end of games, while other QB's do.

[hockey0001]

He has 21 game-winning drives, with about 12 ending in FG's by Vinatieri, who's never missed a game winner. Like I said, if the game is tied and I just need a FG, I will take Tom Brady. But if it's TD or bust, I'm taking Manning.


I think vinatieri missed a game winner against KC a few years ago. If all you need is a FG to win, why would you risk a turnover once you are in field goal range?

[mikeford]

http://haterz.u-mad.net

[still_life]

Chiefs in 2002, Brady's best passing day ever? Adam hit the winner in OT.

I'm not saying you should throw when you're in FG range, I'm saying that Brady gets all kinds of credit for his 4th quarter comebacks, yet they're mostly all dink and dunk passes to set up the most clutch kicker in a tied game. How is that impressive, and how does that make him the best at it?

Daunte Culpepper has 15 game-winning 4th qt/OT drives, and he also has had 9 where the team blew it after he put them ahead or tied it. Guess how many times Brady has led a game-winning drive, only to have the defense blow it? Yep, 0. Though no one's going to talk about Daunte being a clutch QB.

[still_life]

And I'd also make the argument that so far in his career, Eli Manning has been maybe the most "clutch" QB. But he doesn't get the credit for 3 TD drives he led in the 4th quarter this year, because the defense or special teams messed up the rest of the game.

Actually Eli has 5 "blown saves", if you will, in his short career already.

[mikeford]

http://haterz.u-mad.net (http://haterz.umad.net)

[Scott Weber]

http://haterz.u-mad.net (http://haterz.umad.net)
shut up and go away already.

[mikeford]

shut up and go away already.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mikeford/umadumadumad.jpg

[Scott Weber]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mikeford/umadumadumad.jpg
bye. stick to one identity. i actually thought you were pretty cool, doug.

[Doug]

umm, i'm not mike ford, mike's my roommate

[hockey0001]

Chiefs in 2002, Brady's best passing day ever? Adam hit the winner in OT.


Not that game, it was in 1999, longer ago than i thought. Missed a 32 yarder with 9 seconds guess. Im pretty sure thats his only missed game winner.

[Scott Weber]

doug, IM me for further discussion. it's obvious that one of you created a fake identity as yankeefan and was posting ridiculous statements just to stir shit up.

[mikeford]

next time try tracing the IP.

:wall_nut:

[Scott Weber]

next time try tracing the IP.

:wall_nut:
Sorry, I did - the result was the exact same location. Sorry for the confusion.

[Scott Weber]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2261014

interesting article. do you guys think there's an east coast media bias?

[somethingyellow]

i think there tends to be a media bias towards the east coast, maybe not huge but still there, more so in college sports

[weezer182]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2261014

interesting article. do you guys think there's an east coast media bias?i do. the time difference in a lot of sports can cause a bias. also there arent as many teams in the west so more focus is placed on the east in general

[still_life]

Ha, Darren Woodson this morning

"If Seattle was in the AFC they wouldn't even make the playoffs"

That's the reality, people still don't think much of Seattle, and with good reason. If Seattle was still in the AFC West, I doubt they'd make it. It'd mean Oakland would have two more losses and the other teams some more wins.

[Scott Weber]

Ha, Darren Woodson this morning

"If Seattle was in the AFC they wouldn't even make the playoffs"

That's the reality, people still don't think much of Seattle, and with good reason. If Seattle was still in the AFC West, I doubt they'd make it. It'd mean Oakland would have two more losses and the other teams some more wins.
You're such a hypocrite, it cracks me up. "Everyone knows that this analyst doesn't know shit, anybody who knows anything about football knows that this dude is retarded, etc etc etc..." Yet you come back into this thread and quote another analyst for defense of another argument. You're just a walking bag of contradictions.

[still_life]

I don't think much of Darren Woodson. It's just obvious that no one with common sense thinks Seattle can compete with the AFC teams. Record doesn't matter (especially when your SOS is so weak like Seattle's). AFC teams are more battle tested than Seattle. San Diego and KC, one if not both will miss the playoffs, yet I bet they'd spank Seattle.

[Doug]

I don't think much of Darren Woodson. It's just obvious that no one with common sense thinks Seattle can compete with the AFC teams. Record doesn't matter (especially when your SOS is so weak like Seattle's). AFC teams are more battle tested than Seattle. San Diego and KC, one if not both will miss the playoffs, yet I bet they'd spank Seattle.

looking purely at the team. please tell me how the broncos, chiefs, raiders, chargers could beat the seahawks.

[Scott Weber]

I don't think much of Darren Woodson. It's just obvious that no one with common sense thinks Seattle can compete with the AFC teams. Record doesn't matter (especially when your SOS is so weak like Seattle's). AFC teams are more battle tested than Seattle. San Diego and KC, one if not both will miss the playoffs, yet I bet they'd spank Seattle.
so stop using other analysts to prove your points when it's obvious you don't agree with anything anybody says. You keep coming down with this condescending bullshit over and over again, you are essentially saying that nobody on ESPN knows anything about not only football, but life. Because they have no common sense, right? Because they disagree with you? Because you read message boards and watch the NFL Network? They should be paying you to be the expert.

[Jesse2]

I don't think much of Darren Woodson. It's just obvious that no one with common sense thinks Seattle can compete with the AFC teams. Record doesn't matter (especially when your SOS is so weak like Seattle's). AFC teams are more battle tested than Seattle. San Diego and KC, one if not both will miss the playoffs, yet I bet they'd spank Seattle.

blah blah blah.if only the seahawks were more like the steelers... now that's an amazing team!

and by amazing i mean 3-4 against teams with winning records and 5-1 against teams with losing records (the 5 teams they beat combined have 16 wins).

[still_life]

looking purely at the team. please tell me how the broncos, chiefs, raiders, chargers could beat the seahawks.

Forget Oakland, they might not beat the 49ers right now if they played them. All 3 of those teams can run the football very well. Chiefs have the talented o-line, Denver has perfected their blocking schemes, and San Diego has the RB that can do anything. They can attack teams well through the air and on the ground. They can stop the run, so forget Alexander, who's put up so-so numbers against the good defenses this year. Pass defense sucks in the AFC West, but it's not like Seattle's passing game is scary. There are still playmaking corners in this division, like Champ and Surtain. The d-line would handle Seattle's o-line pretty well, when you consider guys like Jared Allen, Trevor Pryce, and that massive DT Jamal Williams for the Chargers. Denver also might have the best LB corps in the league, while SD is right there with them. I don't see how Seattle would sweep any of these teams, let alone beat them one time.

so stop using other analysts to prove your points when it's obvious you don't agree with anything anybody says. You keep coming down with this condescending bullshit over and over again, you are essentially saying that nobody on ESPN knows anything about not only football, but life. Because they have no common sense, right? Because they disagree with you? Because you read message boards and watch the NFL Network? They should be paying you to be the expert.

You're the only one here that doesn't understand the NFC is inferior to the AFC.

blah blah blah.if only the seahawks were more like the steelers... now that's an amazing team!

and by amazing i mean 3-4 against teams with winning records and 5-1 against teams with losing records (the 5 teams they beat combined have 16 wins).

At least they aren't given victories gift-wrapped by teams.

Who do you think teams would rather play this season?

Patriots, Chargers, Jacksonville, Cincinnati twice, Indy, Chicago
or
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Washington, Dallas, Giants

Enough said there.

Who beat the Colts this year? No one. What about Jacksonville and Cincy? Jacksonville's lost 4 games, 2 to the Colts. Cincy lost to the Steelers, Colts, and Jags. Should the Steelers somehow feel bad about losing to very good teams hardly anyone can beat? And before you rip on the Jags, don't forget who they beat pretty convincingly in week 1.

[Doug]

seattle has arguably the best running back in the league(so lets not "forget" about him) with one of the best o-lines who have been playing togetherfor a long time

[still_life]

Yeah, and he puts up his best stats against the worst teams. Have you paid any attention to what Larry Johnson has done since taking over in KC? He goes over 100 and scores TDs on the best rushing defenses in the league.

[weezer182]

Ha, Darren Woodson this morning

"If Seattle was in the AFC they wouldn't even make the playoffs"

That's the reality, people still don't think much of Seattle, and with good reason. If Seattle was still in the AFC West, I doubt they'd make it. It'd mean Oakland would have two more losses and the other teams some more wins.you really hate the seahawks dont you?

[Doug]

nothing is more stupid than arguing afc vs. nfc with you or anything regarding the patriots.

you are the most irrational person on this forum by far.

[still_life]

Irrational? I'm the only one here that seems to actually use knowledge of the game to answer things.

My response: "Great defensive linemen like Trevor Pryce from Denver and Jamal Williams for San Diego contribute a lot to the success of their run defense, which is one of the best in the league."

Your response: "man Shaun Alexander is god u dum fukk"

[Scott Weber]

You're the only one here that doesn't understand the NFC is inferior to the AFC.

In the AFC vs. NFC thread:

AFC, no doubt

Fucking douchebag.

[commatosa]

Irrational? I'm the only one here that seems to actually use knowledge of the game to answer things.

My response: "Great defensive linemen like Trevor Pryce from Denver and Jamal Williams for San Diego contribute a lot to the success of their run defense, which is one of the best in the league."

Your response: "man Shaun Alexander is god u dum fukk"

even if the seahawks beat the shit out of the colts in the super bowl you would say "they're overrated and the colts outplayed them. The Seahawks just got lucky." Such bias.

[still_life]

In the AFC vs. NFC thread:



Fucking douchebag.

I thought you made that poll. I can't tell the Seattle bullshit here apart, it's all one user in my eyes.

even if the seahawks beat the shit out of the colts in the super bowl you would say "they're overrated and the colts outplayed them. The Seahawks just got lucky." Such bias.

That's about as likely as Seattle even winning a playoff game. I wouldn't even mention the Super Bowl yet. If they somehow got there, I wouldn't have to say anything because they'd get stomped.

[commatosa]

I thought you made that poll. I can't tell the Seattle bullshit here apart, it's all one user in my eyes.



That's about as likely as Seattle even winning a playoff game. I wouldn't even mention the Super Bowl yet. If they somehow got there, I wouldn't have to say anything because they'd get stomped.

I was speaking hypothetical.

[weezer182]

I thought you made that poll. I can't tell the Seattle bullshit here apart, it's all one user in my eyes.



That's about as likely as Seattle even winning a playoff game. I wouldn't even mention the Super Bowl yet. If they somehow got there, I wouldn't have to say anything because they'd get stomped.im not a seahawks fan at all but come on now? its very likely they could win a playoff game. where did all this animosity come from?

[commatosa]

by the way (for all of you superstitious die-hard hawks fans) Shaun Alexander is the first seahawk to ever grace the cover of Sports Illustrated (with the exception of Brian Bosworth being run over by Bo Jackson). Shaun's the first to be featured on the cover. With all of this talk of there being an SI cover jinx, we seahawks just overcame a very long drought.

[still_life]

im not a seahawks fan at all but come on now? its very likely they could win a playoff game. where did all this animosity come from?

I can't stand teams that get victories handed to them. That's a big reason for why I started hating the Patriots, because I think a lot of times teams shot themselves in the foot and NE ended up winning by a FG, more than NE actually outplaying them during the game. Plus I just don't see anyone on Seattle as a likeable player, or one I really want to watch.

[Jesse2]

And before you rip on the Jags, don't forget who they beat pretty convincingly in week 1.

First of all, I've never knocked the Jags.

Secondly, in week 1:
-Miami clobbered Denver (34-10). Is Denver inferior?
-New Orleans beat Carolina. Is Carolina inferior?
-Dallas beat San Diego. NFC vs. "perfect" AFC West.

Your logic is so retarded. One loss doesn't automatically make a team better than another. ESPECIALLY in week 1.

Let's not forget:
the Steelers lost to the Ravens.
Carolina lost to Miami.
Dallas lost to Oakland.
The Eagles beat Kansas City(1-2 vs. the NFC).
The Browns beat the Bears.
Jets beat the Bucs.
The Eagles beat the Chargers (2-2 vs. the hapless NFC).
The Giants beat Denver.
The Jags were beat by the Rams.
San Fran beat Tampa Bay.
KC was beat by Buffalo.
Atlanta lost to Green Bay.

[still_life]

First of all, I've never knocked the Jags.

Secondly, in week 1:
-Miami clobbered Denver (34-10). Is Denver inferior?
-New Orleans beat Carolina. Is Carolina inferior?
-Dallas beat San Diego. NFC vs. "perfect" AFC West.

Your logic is so retarded. One loss doesn't automatically make a team better than another. ESPECIALLY in week 1.

Let's not forget:
the Steelers lost to the Ravens.
Carolina lost to Miami.
Dallas lost to Oakland.
The Eagles beat Kansas City(1-2 vs. the NFC).
The Browns beat the Bears.
Jets beat the Bucs.
The Eagles beat the Chargers (2-2 vs. the hapless NFC).
The Giants beat Denver.
The Jags were beat by the Rams.
San Fran beat Tampa Bay.
KC was beat by Buffalo.
Atlanta lost to Green Bay.

My logic's not good? What the hell kind of logic did you just use? Jacksonville maintained a winning record and should be a 12-4 team at the end. It'd be different if they finished 5-11. They beat Seattle in week 1, and they've beat teams like Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, only to lose half of their games to an undefeated team.

[Jesse2]

My logic's not good? What the hell kind of logic did you just use? Jacksonville maintained a winning record and should be a 12-4 team at the end. It'd be different if they finished 5-11. They beat Seattle in week 1, and they've beat teams like Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, only to lose half of their games to an undefeated team.

All I said was that a loss to a team doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make the winning team better. I never said the Jags were better or worse than the Seahawks.

[still_life]

It doesn't automatically do it, but it means something. What are the chances Seattle would be 11-2 if they played Jacksonville's schedule?

[weezer182]

I can't stand teams that get victories handed to them. That's a big reason for why I started hating the Patriots, because I think a lot of times teams shot themselves in the foot and NE ended up winning by a FG, more than NE actually outplaying them during the game. Plus I just don't see anyone on Seattle as a likeable player, or one I really want to watch.if your reason not to like them is because they get games "handed" to them then if anything you should hate the other teams that "shoot themselves in the foot". that is a pretty weak argument for not liking a team. as far not liking seattle because you dont like any players on that team that is better. i personally dont like seattle but i dont go out of my way to keep bashing them. the more and more you do it the more and more it looks like you dont know as much about football

[somethingyellow]

I thought you made that poll. I can't tell the Seattle bullshit here apart, it's all one user in my eyes.



That's about as likely as Seattle even winning a playoff game. I wouldn't even mention the Super Bowl yet. If they somehow got there, I wouldn't have to say anything because they'd get stomped.
haha dude your so bias, how does not liking the seahawks transform into its not likely that they will win one playoff game? they are one of the best teams if not the best in the NFC so to say it is not likely they will win one home game in the playoffs doesn't look too good on your part. Could they lose? Yes obviously but if your bias wasn't so strong i think you would see that they are very capable of winning at least one game

[Scott Weber]

All I said was that a loss to a team doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make the winning team better. I never said the Jags were better or worse than the Seahawks.
yeah, and it was week one - jesus.

[Jesse2]

yeah, and it was week one - jesus.

yeah, that's what i said. denver was clobbered by miami that week.

[still_life]

Seattle has almost no precedent for winning in the playoffs, why should I expect them to now? They're soft and known to choke.

[Scott Weber]

Seattle has almost no precedent for winning in the playoffs, why should I expect them to now? They're soft and known to choke.
The same could be said for the Bengals, but I don't hear you saying anything bad about them...In fact, I hear you praising them and saying how they're better than the Seahawks. When was the last time they were even remotely good? Made the playoffs? Get your personal beef towards the Seahawks out of here. Your logic is continually flawed and contradictory.

[still_life]

At least the Bengals were in the Super Bowl, twice.

I don't expect them to do much this year in the playoffs. I'd bet on the Steelers beating them in the wild card round actually. They're still a better team than Seattle. They have the most takeaways in the league, and their offense is very explosive. Simple as that.

[Jesse2]

The same could be said for the Bengals, but I don't hear you saying anything bad about them...In fact, I hear you praising them and saying how they're better than the Seahawks. When was the last time they were even remotely good? Made the playoffs? Get your personal beef towards the Seahawks out of here. Your logic is continually flawed and contradictory.

The Bengals have to be great... they beat the mighty Steelers.

Also, I hate when people compare current teams to past seasons and use stats from past seasons. This is a different Seahawks team, a different Bengals team, a different Patriots team, and a different Steelers team. Let's talk about 2005 teams, not the history of teams.

[still_life]

They split the series with the Steelers. It's a pretty simple concept some of you don't seem to understand.

Indy beat everyone
Denver beat Jacksonville
Jacksonville beat Cincinnati, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh beat Cincinnati
Cincinnati beat Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh beat San Diego
San Diego beat Kansas City
Kansas City beat Denver
Denver beat New England
Kansas City beat New England
New England beat Pittsburgh

All of the top AFC teams are piling up losses to each other this year. They're still better than the top NFC teams that have hardly been tested. Carolina and Chicago are two of the worst 9-4 teams ever.

[weezer182]

At least the Bengals were in the Super Bowl, twice.

I don't expect them to do much this year in the playoffs. I'd bet on the Steelers beating them in the wild card round actually. They're still a better team than Seattle. They have the most takeaways in the league, and their offense is very explosive. Simple as that. too bad the benglas were a completely different team then they are now. i think its stupid to say that since the organization hasnt had success in the past they wont do well now. its about the team you have now. 5, 10, 15 years ago ect.... means nothing now. if you are gonna use that reasoning then new england will beat the colts in the playoffs

[still_life]

Actually those Bengals teams with Sam Wyche having Boomer run the no huddle offense were very similar to what Carson Palmer is doing now. The Bengals of 05 do look like that team that went to the playoffs in the late 80's. I don't see them winning a playoff game, just because they have basically zero playoff experience, plus you can move the ball on their defense. You just have to protect the ball.

[Scott Weber]

At least the Bengals were in the Super Bowl, twice.

I don't expect them to do much this year in the playoffs. I'd bet on the Steelers beating them in the wild card round actually. They're still a better team than Seattle. They have the most takeaways in the league, and their offense is very explosive. Simple as that.
You idiot. When was the last time that FRANCHISE even made the playoffs? Not like anybody on that roster/staff is still around from the Super Bowl days. If you're going to be moronic enough to say something like that, then I can say how the Seahawks were in the NFC Championship game in the 80s. Steelers can't beat anybody right now. "Explosive offense." That equals wins, right? Get over yourself.

[itsjdiggity]

yes! the seahawks-titans game is on tv tomorrow here in so cal! i havent seen a titans game all year cause they never show them down here...i was gonna watch colts-chargers but i guess not anymore

/end excitement

[commatosa]

Still_life...who do you think is a better coach? Mike Holmgren or Tony Dungy?

[still_life]

You idiot. When was the last time that FRANCHISE even made the playoffs? Not like anybody on that roster/staff is still around from the Super Bowl days. If you're going to be moronic enough to say something like that, then I can say how the Seahawks were in the NFC Championship game in the 80s. Steelers can't beat anybody right now. "Explosive offense." That equals wins, right? Get over yourself.

Who won a playoff game last? Oh yeah, the Bengals. Seattle has the longest playoff win drought in the league, enough said.

Steelers can't beat anybody? They just beat the shit out of Chicago last week.

10-3 = wins right? Not every team can play the 49ers, Rams, and Cardinals twice. And you asked why the Bengals are better. Their offense is explosive, passing and running. Carson Palmer can run his better than Hasselbeck's.

[still_life]

Still_life...who do you think is a better coach? Mike Holmgren or Tony Dungy?

Dungy's a better coach, easily. Tampa Bay's SB can be credited to him, he built that defense into what it was and still is. He's building a defense now in Indy. He's made the playoffs 6 years in a row. Holmgren's been nothing without Favre, and was stripped of his GM duties. He needs to prove something, just like Shanahan without horseteeth, in the playoffs again.

[commatosa]

Dungy's a better coach, easily. Tampa Bay's SB can be credited to him, he built that defense into what it was and still is. He's building a defense now in Indy. He's made the playoffs 6 years in a row. Holmgren's been nothing without Favre, and was stripped of his GM duties. He needs to prove something, just like Shanahan without horseteeth, in the playoffs again.

well guess what....you've just lost all credibility. It's all just blind bias. How many head coaches has Tony Dungy produced? Do you even know how many of Holmgren's disciples are now head coaches?

[Scott Weber]

Who won a playoff game last? Oh yeah, the Bengals. Seattle has the longest playoff win drought in the league, enough said.

Steelers can't beat anybody? They just beat the shit out of Chicago last week.

10-3 = wins right? Not every team can play the 49ers, Rams, and Cardinals twice. And you asked why the Bengals are better. Their offense is explosive, passing and running. Carson Palmer can run his better than Hasselbeck's.
Bengals have the longest playoff drought PERIOD in the NFL. The Bengals haven't even BEEN to the playoffs in 15 years!!!! You're seriously talking about the Bengals THIS YEAR being better because of playoff win expierence when it was fifteen years ago. You are a complete joke, this is further proof that you will pull anything out of your ass to make a case. Prime example of useless statistic information. By the way, Hasselbeck runs Seattle's west coast offense perfectly.

[Doug]

Bengals have the longest playoff drought PERIOD in the NFL. The Bengals haven't even BEEN to the playoffs in 15 years!!!! You're seriously talking about the Bengals THIS YEAR being better because of playoff win expierence when it was fifteen years ago. You are a complete joke, this is further proof that you will pull anything out of your ass to make a case. Prime example of useless statistic information. By the way, Hasselbeck runs Seattle's west coast offense perfectly.

very good point. if we're talking about playoff experience, this seattle team has much more, because even losing in the playoffs=playoff experience. two years straight of losing in the playoffs could do good for a team. seattle will be representing the nfc in the super bowl.

[commatosa]

very good point. if we're talking about playoff experience, this seattle team has much more, because even losing in the playoffs=playoff experience. two years straight of losing in the playoffs could do good for a team. seattle will be representing the nfc in the super bowl.

Doug, now do me a favor and knock on wood....PLEASE

[Doug]

i just did

[still_life]

well guess what....you've just lost all credibility. It's all just blind bias. How many head coaches has Tony Dungy produced? Do you even know how many of Holmgren's disciples are now head coaches?

Ha, I'm biased? Stop with the hypocrisy. You're living under a rock if you don't think Dungy is viewed as a better head coach than Holmgren. Come on, he won a playoff game with Shaun King as a rookie QB. Dungy has won three straight division titles, has had his team in the playoffs in 7 straight seasons, and has had one losing season out of ten. Exactly what has Holmgren done since leaving GB? 2 division titles and zero playoff wins? I don't care who came from who (and a lot of Holmgren disciples have flopped), Dungy is the better football coach.

[still_life]

Bengals have the longest playoff drought PERIOD in the NFL. The Bengals haven't even BEEN to the playoffs in 15 years!!!! You're seriously talking about the Bengals THIS YEAR being better because of playoff win expierence when it was fifteen years ago. You are a complete joke, this is further proof that you will pull anything out of your ass to make a case. Prime example of useless statistic information. By the way, Hasselbeck runs Seattle's west coast offense perfectly.

The Bengals are a better team this year than Seattle, and I never said it had anything to do with fifteen years ago. You're scraping the barrel here. Cincinnati has faced a tougher schedule and is more battled tested for the playoffs than Seattle.

[commatosa]

we'll just have to wait until after the seahawks play the colts.

[Scott Weber]

The Bengals are a better team this year than Seattle, and I never said it had anything to do with fifteen years ago. You're scraping the barrel here. Cincinnati has faced a tougher schedule and is more battled tested for the playoffs than Seattle.
Wow, please keep switching your arguments while still trying to save face. You're so done. You flat out threw around that the Bengals had the most recent playoff wins - you failed to mention it was 15 years ago. When I merely pointed out your bullshit, you try and change it up again...typical. Good thing Seattle can control their schedule as well. That's really in their control *rolls eyes*

[still_life]

we'll just have to wait until after the seahawks play the colts.

The Sorgi/Wallace bowl? What's that game going to prove?

Wow, please keep switching your arguments while still trying to save face. You're so done. You flat out threw around that the Bengals had the most recent playoff wins - you failed to mention it was 15 years ago. When I merely pointed out your bullshit, you try and change it up again...typical. Good thing Seattle can control their schedule as well. That's really in their control *rolls eyes*

If you could keep up with a thread, you'd see there's no switching here.

- Bengals are a better team than the Seahawks this year
- Bengals were the last team out of the two to win a playoff game
- Seattle has the longest playoff win drought in the NFL
- Seattle is consistent with choking in big games untli proven otherwise
- Bengals were consistent at sucking until this season
- Bengals have a better QB, better offense, and are #1 in takeaways
- Seattle's played a soft schedule (69-100 SOS)

[commatosa]

oh my god. The Colts said they're going to play their starters and go for 19-0. The Seahawks are going to feel that they have something to prove and try to be the spoilers. Anyway, let's hope they play all of their starters. It's going to be a highly anticipated game.

[itsjdiggity]

don't be hating on seneca wallace...he's a decent cheap backup qb in madden 06

[still_life]

oh my god. The Colts said they're going to play their starters and go for 19-0. The Seahawks are going to feel that they have something to prove and try to be the spoilers. Anyway, let's hope they play all of their starters. It's going to be a highly anticipated game.

No they didn't, Dungy said he's playing the Chargers to win, then they haven't decided what they'll do for the last two games. They're already holding some guys back with injuries for today's game. It's not going to be 4 quarters of starters. I wouldn't be showing much of my gameplan anyway to Seattle.

[Jesse2]

The Bengals are a better team this year than Seattle, and I never said it had anything to do with fifteen years ago. You're scraping the barrel here. Cincinnati has faced a tougher schedule and is more battled tested for the playoffs than Seattle.

Wins:
-Cleveland (2x)
-Minnesota (pre-brad johnson)
-Chicago (the 1-3 bears, not the 8 straight win bears)
-Houston
-Tennessee
-Green Bay
-Baltimore (2x)
-Pittsburgh

Losses:
-Jacksonville (same with Seattle)
-Pittsburgh
-Indianapolis (put up 37 points, impressive)

Are the Bengals a good team with an explosive offense? Yes. Have they shown they can dominate games against tough teams? No.

They have shown they are a good team, and will not be easy to beat. They put up a good fight in their losses, but their wins are really THAT impressive (if you keep in mind which week it was they played certain teams).

[Scott Weber]

The Sorgi/Wallace bowl? What's that game going to prove?



If you could keep up with a thread, you'd see there's no switching here.

- Bengals are a better team than the Seahawks this year
- Bengals were the last team out of the two to win a playoff game
- Seattle has the longest playoff win drought in the NFL
- Seattle is consistent with choking in big games untli proven otherwise
- Bengals were consistent at sucking until this season
- Bengals have a better QB, better offense, and are #1 in takeaways
- Seattle's played a soft schedule (69-100 SOS)
hahahah you're so stupid, who gives a fuck, the Bengals last went to the playoffs in 1990. Why even compare franchises when it's been that long? You keep ignoring how ridiculous that statistic is. A playoff loss is still playoff expierence.

[Doug]

last team to make playoffs - seattle seahawks

therefore,

team with more playoff experience - seattle seahawks

[itsjdiggity]

Titans gave them a hell of a game...I can't believe we didn't kick that field goal

[Scott Weber]

Titans gave them a hell of a game...I can't believe we didn't kick that field goal
yeah, McNair looked really good today, and the Seahawks defense really struggled. It's comforting to know that we can outgun a team though. Hasselbeck looked very, very good today, as did Shaun. but the defense...had an off day, to say the least.

[commatosa]

yeah, McNair looked really good today, and the Seahawks defense really struggled. It's comforting to know that we can outgun a team though. Hasselbeck looked very, very good today, as did Shaun. but the defense...had an off day, to say the least.

yeah, I said in another thread that the Titans are a lot better than their record presumes. They've lost I think 4 games by less than 8 points or something. That's pretty damn impressive. And 21 or their 23 starters are players that they aquired in the last 2 years from drafts. Crazy, they're young and they'll be amazing in a couple of years. So if anyone says "the seahawks are overrated cause they barely beat a shitty team." then you need to realize that the titans are a lot better than they look......this goes out to you still_life

[still_life]

Don't justify playing down to the opposition today.

That argument "they've lost 4 games by less than a TD" doesn't hold any weight. Joey Harrington's Lions can say the same thing (more than 4 games even) the past few years, yet everyone knows the Lions have been awful for years. Bad teams don't win close games, it's not an accident.

[commatosa]

Don't justify playing down to the opposition today.

That argument "they've lost 4 games by less than a TD" doesn't hold any weight. Joey Harrington's Lions can say the same thing (more than 4 games even) the past few years, yet everyone knows the Lions have been awful for years. Bad teams don't win close games, it's not an accident.

yeah yeah yeah, I was busting your balls. I know the seahawks played shitty today and pretty much escaped with a win. But come playoff times, I know you're 100% skeptical, they're going to have home field advantage. And you and I both know that they're dangerous in Qwest field. They're undefeated at home this season.

[still_life]

Who will likely be the team they see in the divisional round?

1. Seattle
2. New York
3. Chicago
4. Carolina

I think that's how the division winners will fall. You still have Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Dallas, Minnesota, Washington, etc. alive. It could be Chicago at Seattle if the Giants win their first playoff game.

[fiddypercent]

i fell asleep after the first seattle drive and woke up in the 3rd quarter with about 5 minutes to go. what i saw with my own eyes was pretty good playing by the hawks. i guess when i was sleeping they were playing like crappp.

[commatosa]

i fell asleep after the first seattle drive and woke up in the 3rd quarter with about 5 minutes to go. what i saw with my own eyes was pretty good playing by the hawks. i guess when i was sleeping they were playing like crappp.

from now on, you're not allowed to sleep during seahawks games.