Artest trade rumors are heating up.

[Caleb Cattivera]

So far, this is the trades being explored...

Artest to the Kings for Peja. Peja's contract comes off the books at year's end.

Artest to the Grizzlies for Battier and a player to fill in the other end of the salary.

my personal favorite. Artest to the Hawks for Harrington, who the Hawks fear is going to bolt at seasons end.

most interesting. Artest to the Cavs...with a few different options to get in return. Larry Hughes, Zyundras, Gooden...

Artest to the Knicks? The only way he's going to the Knicks is if they part ways with some of their young talent. Artest for Q Rich and Channing or Nate.

Bird says he is going to fulfill Artest's request, due to the fact that he knows the problems this could cause. Austin Croshere will also be in on whatever deal is made.

On a much smaller note, it looks like Flip Murray is on his way out of Seattle and flipping his way into Denver.

[YourLatestVicti]

So far, this is the trades being explored...

Artest to the Kings for Peja. Peja's contract comes off the books at year's end.

Artest to the Grizzlies for Battier and a player to fill in the other end of the salary.

my personal favorite. Artest to the Hawks for Harrington, who the Hawks fear is going to bolt at seasons end.

most interesting. Artest to the Cavs...with a few different options to get in return. Larry Hughes, Zyundras, Gooden...

Artest to the Knicks? The only way he's going to the Knicks is if they part ways with some of their young talent. Artest for Q Rich and Channing or Nate.

Bird says he is going to fulfill Artest's request, due to the fact that he knows the problems this could cause. Austin Croshere will also be in on whatever deal is made.

On a much smaller note, it looks like Flip Murray is on his way out of Seattle and flipping his way into Denver.
I suppose it's better late than never if he ends up with the Knicks.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Artest to the microphone? who knows..

[fluke182]

I think the Cavs and Knicks deals won't work because the Knicks do not have a roster that fits the Pacers needs and the Pacers won't trade inside their division. I like any of the other 3 deals though, with preference on the Grizzlies one because Battier is perfect for the Pacers.

[Caleb Cattivera]

yeah, i dont see the cavs thing happening either. but he said he'd be willing to come off the bench behind lebron. i think the pacers are going to do the best to accomodate him. i like the battier trade too. i think battier is vastly underrated.

[Spicoli hey bud]

he wants to play in NY,
NY can use a good SF
hmmmmm

[Nater]

I think trading with the Kings would be smartest for Indy. Peja is having a disappointing year, and he needs a fresh start. If the Pacers got Peja, that backcourt with Jasikevicius would be very interesting.

[YourLatestVicti]

he wants to play in NY,
NY can use a good SF
hmmmmm
NY needs a lot of help, at this point he's just one piece of the puzzle. And the sooner they realize that Isiah Thomas should not have any influence in any basketball organization the better.

[Nater]

The Knicks are a team who are very unstable right now. I don't think Artest is the kind of guy who would solve their problems.

[asianxcore]

Bucks?

[Caleb Cattivera]

NY needs a lot of help, at this point he's just one piece of the puzzle. And the sooner they realize that Isiah Thomas should not have any influence in any basketball organization the better.

holy shit. thank you. you're my new favorite person on this board. isiah thomas is a horrible gm.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Bucks?

i wouldnt see the bucks happening. they just signed bobby simmons over the summer. i dont think artest would fit in well there. artest would no doubt make them better, but they dont have much to give in return in terms of players they'd be willing to part with.

[anishkabob]

holy shit. thank you. you're my new favorite person on this board. isiah thomas is a horrible gm.

hahaha he's made some terrible terrible moves.

i'd like to what artest would do with lebron.

[YourLatestVicti]

holy shit. thank you. you're my new favorite person on this board. isiah thomas is a horrible gm.
With all the crap he's done recently I'm starting to forget that he was once a great player who won championships.

[Nater]

With all the crap he's done recently I'm starting to forget that he was once a great player who won championships.

I don't think Isiah is the only problem in NY. It seems that teams can't really win with Steph at the point.

[xearlynovemberx]

hes going to ny id give up anyone for him

[Caleb Cattivera]

hes going to ny id give up anyone for him

new york is indiana's third option right now.

[CantBeStopped]

if they traded him to the knicks, it would probably be for malik rose and someone else to fill the salary. i doubt the cavs give up Big Z or Larry Hughes. i dont see the other trades working

[Spicoli hey bud]

hes going to ny id give up anyone for him
anything would be bad...

I'd trade QRich though

[Caleb Cattivera]

if they traded him to the knicks, it would probably be for malik rose and someone else to fill the salary. i doubt the cavs give up Big Z or Larry Hughes. i dont see the other trades working

I think they'd give up Hughes...I'd take Artest over any player besides lebron on that team.

[YourLatestVicti]

I don't think Isiah is the only problem in NY. It seems that teams can't really win with Steph at the point.
True but he's certainly not making things any better. With the exception of bringing in Larry Brown I can't say I've really liked a single decision he's made.

[Nater]

if they traded him to the knicks, it would probably be for malik rose and someone else to fill the salary. i doubt the cavs give up Big Z or Larry Hughes. i dont see the other trades working

Artest for Malik Rose? the pacers gm (bird) is not that retarded

[Spicoli hey bud]

Artest for Malik Rose? the pacers gm (bird) is not that retarded
you quoted him but didn't read? He said Malik AND someone else.

[somethingyellow]

look on the bright side drew, if caleb is right no more austin croshere

[Nater]

you quoted him but didn't read? He said Malik AND someone else.
yeah, i missed that. but still, im pretty sure the pacers will get back some better talent than that.

[CantBeStopped]

yea but the nba is all about the money, if they can save money by unloading someone now, they have more money in the offseason.

[Drew Beringer]

look on the bright side drew, if caleb is right no more austin croshere

haha thank God. I'm down with the Grizzlies and Kings trades, leaning more towards Battier cause he will be a better fit in the Pacers system. Knicks trade could be likely, but I doubt it, put Artest in the West. There is no way in hell they trade him to Cleveland.

[Nater]

Why the hate on Croshere? hes solid off the bench

[CantBeStopped]

well artest doesnt want to go to sacramento . . . and they wont trade him to anyone who can contend with them . .. i wouldnt be surprised if it turns into a 3 team deal somehow

[Drew Beringer]

well artest doesnt want to go to sacramento . . . and they wont trade him to anyone who can contend with them . .. i wouldnt be surprised if it turns into a 3 team deal somehow

Who cares if he doesn't want to go to Sacramento? I don't think he has a no-trade clause.

[Drew Beringer]

Why the hate on Croshere? hes solid off the bench

Haha, I know, it's more of a joke than anything, I love Austin.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Why the hate on Croshere? hes solid off the bench
you make me lol

[Emopunkthrice]

wow I hope he goes to Memphis, I love Battier playing for the pacers.

[weezer182]

sacramento might be a good fit

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I'd like to see him go to Atlanta, just because.

[itsjdiggity]

wait...where did u get that information on flip murray?

[Caleb Cattivera]

wait...where did u get that information on flip murray?

sup j dig. i got all that from espn insider.

[FASSWcore]

how about artest to jail for relaxation in fans' minds that they can watch a game and not get brutalized...that man is insane, good player though

[itsjdiggity]

sup j dig. i got all that from espn insider.

does it say who they're gonna trade him for?

[weezer182]

its gonna happen soon whoever it is

[Caleb Cattivera]

does it say who they're gonna trade him for?

voshon lenard.

[itsjdiggity]

voshon lenard.

No comment.

[Caleb Cattivera]

No comment.

he can provide a much bigger spark off the bench, and he's a pretty good shooter...especially with the long ball. you're not gonna get much else outta flip.

[itsjdiggity]

haha...yea i know he's good, but the last time i saw him (3 point shootout) he was fat as hell although he's probably worked it off coming back from injury...i'd like him better than flip who's a cancer

[itsjdiggity]

i found this interesting...

From David Locke's blog:

Yesterday afternoon on the post-game show I was talking about Flip Murray's +/-. In no way is the issue confronting the Sonics a one man issue, but if you feel the need to zero in to problem number 1 the replacement of AD with Flip Murray is a pretty good spot to start.

In yesterday's game when Flip was having a "good game" the Sonics finished -8 when he was on the floor. What is more revealing is he was on the floor in the final 4 minutes when the Sups went on that irrelevant run to cut the lead down. He earned a +5 for that.

Therefore, in the moments the game was decided Flip was a -13 in 20 minutes. That is brutal.

In 109 minutes this season he is -82. In comparison during the entire season last year AD was a +208.

Let's extrapolate this a bit. AD played in 75 games last season. Therefore, he averaged a +2.8 per game. Flip Murray has played 6 games this season and is -82 for an average of -13.7 points per game.

Isolating this substitution change the Sonics seem to be -16.5 points worse per game all because of one change in the rotation.

This leaves us without an explanation for the 6 games Flip didn't play when the team went 3-3.

Honestly, their is something wrong with this breakdown, but regardless it tells a story. I can't imagine the story is that grotesque, but it might be a large part of the answer to what is wrong.

[Drew Beringer]

This Artest shit will not distract the Pacers, they always rise in the face of adversity. Last year they did it, and this year they are stronger than that. Fuck Ron Artest, have fun play for a shitty team like New York and Sacramento. Pacers do not need you, you motherfuckin backstabber, after all the team and city have done for you, and you do this, I don't want your ass on my team. Please trade him for Battier, he is exactly what we need.

[itsjdiggity]

This Artest shit will not distract the Pacers, they always rise in the face of adversity. Last year they did it, and this year they are stronger than that. Fuck Ron Artest, have fun play for a shitty team like New York and Sacramento. Pacers do not need you, you motherfuckin backstabber, after all the team and city have done for you, and you do this, I don't want your ass on my team. Please trade him for Battier, he is exactly what we need.

:appl:that must have been tough to get out seeing how you loved this man a week ago

koopa would be good on the pacers...solid team player and good defender

[somethingyellow]

This Artest shit will not distract the Pacers, they always rise in the face of adversity. Last year they did it, and this year they are stronger than that. Fuck Ron Artest, have fun play for a shitty team like New York and Sacramento. Pacers do not need you, you motherfuckin backstabber, after all the team and city have done for you, and you do this, I don't want your ass on my team. Please trade him for Battier, he is exactly what we need.
did you really expect artest to be much different though? if i were a pacer fan id feel the same way you do

[Caleb Cattivera]

damn drew. are you bi polar?

if they dont trade him soon, it could very well cause problems. i dont think they can get anyone equally as good as ron ron, but battier would be their best bet.

[Drew Beringer]

damn drew. are you bi polar?

if they dont trade him soon, it could very well cause problems. i dont think they can get anyone equally as good as ron ron, but battier would be their best bet.

No, I'm just over it, I mean at first I was sad, but now I'm just pissed off. I still love the Pacers and just like JO said today "I'm not going to answer any more questions about Ron Artest. Ron doesn't want to be here, so Ron doesn't matter anymore." JO is the leader, the heart and soul. Pacers are still going to have a great year.

[weezer182]

damn drew. are you bi polar?

if they dont trade him soon, it could very well cause problems. i dont think they can get anyone equally as good as ron ron, but battier would be their best bet.i dunno i think id rather have peja

[YouMadeTheScene]

Problem is Ronnie is pretty adamant in saying he does not want to go to a Western Conference team and that he would be pissed and be peace out when is contract is up. This may lead to a lot of the western conference teams to be cautious because that is basically turning up Ron's crazy meter a couple notches.

[weezer182]

Problem is Ronnie is pretty adamant in saying he does not want to go to a Western Conference team and that he would be pissed and be peace out when is contract is up. This may lead to a lot of the western conference teams to be cautious because that is basically turning up Ron's crazy meter a couple notches.well the pacers wouldnt want to trade him to an eastern conference contender so...... it looks like the west for artest

[Caleb Cattivera]

i honestly think the pacers could fall apart...COULD. players have questioned JO's leadership. pacers will probably finish third or fourth in the east this year now. i hope artest comes to atlanta, he'd fit in perfectly here.

[Caleb Cattivera]

well the pacers wouldnt want to trade him to an eastern conference contender so...... it looks like the west for artest

the thing is, the pacers could trade him to the kings...and the kings could turn around and trade him to someone else back on the east coast.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Am I the only person in the world that thinks Jermain O'Neal is highly overrated?

[weezer182]

the thing is, the pacers could trade him to the kings...and the kings could turn around and trade him to someone else back on the east coast.they could but if the kings had him i dont think they turn around right away and trade it

[Caleb Cattivera]

they could but if the kings had him i dont think they turn around right away and trade it

...and i didnt think the hawks would trade rasheed wallace.

and no you're not the only one who thinks JO is overrated. i wouldnt consider him like vastly overrated. but i think he gets more praise than he deserves.

[itsjdiggity]

Am I the only person in the world that thinks Jermain O'Neal is highly overrated?

i don't considering he was practically an unknown in portland

[fluke182]

22, 11 and 2.5 blocks? Sounds like one of the best power players in basketball to me. The sooner they unload him, the better off for the Pacers. Trade him to the Hawks or the Grizz or the Kings, just get him out of here. Or shit, even trade him to the Knicks if they can get Frye and someone else like Ariza out of them. This is a situation where it's addition by subtraction, and I'm with Drew. I used to love the guy, but I hate his guts now. We showed nothing but loyalty and he stabbed us in the back.

[Caleb Cattivera]

22, 11 and 2.5 blocks? Sounds like one of the best power players in basketball to me. The sooner they unload him, the better off for the Pacers. Trade him to the Hawks or the Grizz or the Kings, just get him out of here. Or shit, even trade him to the Knicks if they can get Frye and someone else like Ariza out of them. This is a situation where it's addition by subtraction, and I'm with Drew. I used to love the guy, but I hate his guts now. We showed nothing but loyalty and he stabbed us in the back.

the pacers have no use for frye, his numbers are deciving on a shitty new york team. your best bet is battier. but im HOPING he comes down here to hotlanta!!

[Ravenna]

is there any chance al harrington is actually going to come back to indy? because he left them on bad terms. i would be suprised if ron ends up in atl, unless they want to give up joe johnson

[Caleb Cattivera]

is there any chance al harrington is actually going to come back to indy? because he left them on bad terms. i would be suprised if ron ends up in atl, unless they want to give up joe johnson

joe johnsons contract wouldnt work with artests, however, harrington's would.

[getupkid53]

:strongbad

Artest to the bears for orton. Couldn't hurt.

[Drew Beringer]

:strongbad

Artest to the bears for orton. Couldn't hurt.

Hahah, I laughed at that.