Nah, Iranian leaders aren't insane...

[splitsecond]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178646,00.html

[siberianxkiss]

he said this like 2 weeks ago, why is it being reported again?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/10/iran.israel/index.html

he also said Israel should be moved to Europe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4510922.stm

[splitsecond]

He definitely isnt helping his case for nuclear power much. I just find it fascinating that people actually say these kinds of things.

[siberianxkiss]

its ok cause Israel is stepping up its game:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html

We should just let them take care of Iran. Israel has proven in the past that it can kick ass when necessary.

[Justin_stacy]

he said this like 2 weeks ago, why is it being reported again?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/10/iran.israel/index.html

he also said Israel should be moved to Europe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4510922.stm

because he did it again, to a national audience.........which confirms the stoopidity and the international threat.

[Justin_stacy]

We should just let them take care of Iran. Israel has proven in the past that it can kick ass when necessary.

*cough* start of WWIII *cough*.......

[siberianxkiss]

or maybe we should send the CIA in to start a "revolution" and get rid of him.

[splitsecond]

If anyone knows their biblibal stuff, you know that the "end of days" will come in the form of an east/west battle. I am not one for all that crazy end of times shit, but I am pretty sure a nuclear war between isral and iran would start it.

[Cal Smith]

Israel could go along the lines as they did with the Iraq reactor, and use targeted strikes but from what i've heard much of Iran's is underground and spread out.

maybe in another 10 years or so the UN will get strong sanctions against Iran and in turn help stir up the younger Iranians but then again i wouldnt hold them to it.

[Justin_stacy]

or maybe we should send the CIA in to start a "revolution" and get rid of him.
I wouldn't trust the CIA to janitorial duties..........but it wouldn't be a bad idea for the US to help fund the "revolution" (democracy) movement that is already underway in the youth and middle class of Iran.

I must say, I do see the hint of sarcasm in your writing......do you really see a problem with helping over throwing a Theocracy, I never thought you to be the extremely religious type.

[siberianxkiss]

I wouldn't trust the CIA to janitorial duties..........but it wouldn't be a bad idea for the US to help fund the "revolution" (democracy) movement that is already underway in the youth and middle class of Iran.

I must say, I do see the hint of sarcasm in your writing......do you really see a problem with helping over throwing a Theocracy, I never thought you to be the extremely religious type.

no not religious. i think this guy shoudl be taken out. and the sarcasm was directed towards the CIA and their history of interventionism (Chile for example)

[richter915]

he's no worse than western leaders...

[Justin_stacy]

he's no worse than western leaders...

.....and people say history doesn't repeat itself!..............how are things going Neville?

[lovely864md]

This guy is crazy, but plenty of important people in the Middle East are Holocaust deniers. He is getting more attention because he just became the president of a country on the edge of being a nuclear power.

[FScott]

Perhaps this denial of the Holocaust is due to the fact that Iran supported Nazi Germany during WW2.

[open mind]

if i was surrounded on all sides by what i thought of as an unfriendly countries military i'd probably start to lose it to.

[lightcollapse]

as a jewish kid, fucking revolutionize this piece of shit.

[richter915]

Perhaps this denial of the Holocaust is due to the fact that Iran supported Nazi Germany during WW2.
or cause Muslim-controlled land was given over to Jews without their consent and they still get abused for it to this day by all western powers.

[Justin_stacy]

or cause Muslim-controlled land was given over to Jews without their consent and.
That's a total distortion of what happened......but either way how is that a justifiable basis for spouting out lies that even elementary school children know to be false?

they still get abused for it to this day by all western powers.
how so?

[splitsecond]

or cause Muslim-controlled land was given over to Jews without their consent and they still get abused for it to this day by all western powers.

Please read some history. And I mean starting back at ancient times, when the Jews lived in the area before Islam ever even existed. I am really tired of that argument.

[richter915]

Please read some history. And I mean starting back at ancient times, when the Jews lived in the area before Islam ever even existed. I am really tired of that argument.
I don't get what you mean?

[richter915]

That's a total distortion of what happened......but either way how is that a justifiable basis for spouting out lies that even elementary school children know to be false?


how so?
it's a distortion that's believed there though and it won't change for a long time...and when it comes down to it, that is what happened. I see it as no different from the distortions made in our media about the war in Iraq being the same as the war on Terror (people still think that in case you're wondering).

Abuse defends on one's definition..yes they're not physically abused but middle eastern nations have to constantly deal with shit from the UN since WWII because the West does not want another power to emerge...so I see our sanctions, harassment, and threats to invade (we already did it twice, three times a charm) as abuse.

[lucky_krystle]

If anyone knows their biblibal stuff, you know that the "end of days" will come in the form of an east/west battle. I am not one for all that crazy end of times shit, but I am pretty sure a nuclear war between isral and iran would start it.

i just had a conversation with my grandma yesterday about this exact thing, and we got into the discussion of nuclear war and what not. kinda funny that i am reading this now.

but i think you have a good point. i dont know a whole lot about biblical history, but i do know enough. it is a possibility that you are right about the nuclear war between iran and israel.

[richter915]

i just had a conversation with my grandma yesterday about this exact thing, and we got into the discussion of nuclear war and what not. kinda funny that i am reading this now.

but i think you have a good point. i dont know a whole lot about biblical history, but i do know enough. it is a possibility that you are right about the nuclear war between iran and israel.
what's funnier is there're fanatics on all sides of the board ("jihadists", "zionists", "americans") who are secretly trying to push towards this kinda war so they can say "see, my holy book was right". It's true too.

[lucky_krystle]

what's funnier is there're fanatics on all sides of the board ("jihadists", "zionists", "americans") who are secretly trying to push towards this kinda war so they can say "see, my holy book was right". It's true too.

yes, true...

[richter915]

yes, true...
totally is..in a fanatical way.

[lucky_krystle]

totally is..in a fanatical way.

trying to prove this will cause their death.
some people are just so damn idiotic... is it really worth it? i dont care if my bible is right or wrong about the end of days... as long as me and my son arent around for it.

[Justin_stacy]

it's a distortion that's believed there though and it won't change for a long time....

That's fine but it’s a provable false belief. So you, hopefully being wiser then this ignorant fool, should know better then to allow that to be a justifiable reason for denying the holocaust in your mind.

and when it comes down to it, that is what happened. ....

Man I hate having to get into this with every liberal, but it isn't what happened.........take a history lesson (and you don't have to go back a 2,000 years, just try a hundred).

I see it as no different from the distortions made in our media about the war in Iraq being the same as the war on Terror (people still think that in case you're wondering).....

But there's a difference between opinion and fact. Saying the war on terror is not tied to Iraq is an opinion, some would disagree and say that taking out any rogue, dangerous, nation is tied to the war on terror (the neo-con opinion). But saying the land in Israel was stolen from Muslims or that Jews had no equal claim to the land is outright false. Opinions and facts can not be equally compared, so it is not similar.


Abuse defends on one's definition..yes they're not physically abused but middle eastern nations have to constantly deal with shit from the UN since WWII because the West does not want another power to emerge...so I see our sanctions, harassment, and threats to invade (we already did it twice, three times a charm) as abuse.

There's much, much, more to it then that, and the Middle East is truly not victimless in the matter.........but I don't disagree with the direction you’re headed (although I’d add that many, not all, of the middle east problems are self made, like Africa).

[richter915]

oh ya I didn't read the article...from what I gather he's trying to deny the Holocaust and that is crap...I know that.

I know there's more too it and ya I know what happened in the past 100 years for the most part. I understand that that land was considered British property and that allows Britain to divide it how they wish (but the thing is, I think that is wrong)...I know about the six days war and how Israel is technically allowed to exist but I don't think it's right because Israel had the US on it's side (so like you say later on how the problem is self made...I disagree).

I don't see that claim as false at all. That's like saying someone can just come into my house and say they can live here cause the state says so. No, this is my property that I've controlled for many years and I don't think someone can just kick me out. And if I were kicked out, I sure as hell wouldn't just sit there. We obviously see this matter from two different sides.

I know the abuse we instill is for our own national interest..but that doesn't stop it from being abuse.

[richter915]

these people don't care for human life.

[splitsecond]

I don't get what you mean?

Its simple: Judaism is older than Islam. The area has been holy for Jews for ages. People have been attacking them and trying to push them out for before Islam ever even claimed the area as their holy land.

[richter915]

Its simple: Judaism is older than Islam. The area has been holy for Jews for ages. People have been attacking them and trying to push them out for before Islam ever even claimed the area as their holy land.
so then let's give the US back to the native americans? It's not gonna happen. And yes, people argue the Jews were there first but the Muslims were there for longer. And the same has happened since the Muslims controlled the area starting with the Crusades. That's a really bad argument in general though.

[splitsecond]

so then let's give the US back to the native americans? It's not gonna happen. And yes, people argue the Jews were there first but the Muslims were there for longer. And the same has happened since the Muslims controlled the area starting with the Crusades. That's a really bad argument in general though.

Well we have made at least some sort of shitty attempt at giving Native Americans something. Not only that, they are allowed to leave here, and we dont bomb them or promote wiping them out. Additionally, I dont think that there is any one holy city that Native Americans have asked for back.

Lets also not forget that the Palestinians were traditionally nomads, and thats who is fighting over the small chunk of Land that Israel controls.

The bottom line is people need to learn to share, and that the land was never really that of Islam to begin with, so saying that the land was wrongfully given back to the Jews is bullshit. Muslims and their predecessors have been pushing the Jewish people around for ages, and that war has been going on since well before Islam even began - it isnt as simple as "well the Jews never should have been given that land last time!"

[Justin_stacy]

oh ya I didn't read the article...from what I gather he's trying to deny the Holocaust and that is crap...I know that.

I know there's more too it and ya I know what happened in the past 100 years for the most part. I understand that that land was considered British property and that allows Britain to divide it how they wish (but the thing is, I think that is wrong)...I know about the six days war and how Israel is technically allowed to exist but I don't think it's right because Israel had the US on it's side (so like you say later on how the problem is self made...I disagree)..

Go just a little further back then that and try reading about how the ottoman empire played a part in the matter......This does not begin with the British Protectorate at all…

I don't see that claim as false at all. That's like saying someone can just come into my house and say they can live here cause the state says so. No, this is my property that I've controlled for many years and I don't think someone can just kick me out. And if I were kicked out, I sure as hell wouldn't just sit there. We obviously see this matter from two different sides..

That's not a fair example originally no one kicked anyone out. Jews were allowed (even welcomed) into this land, which at the time no one really wanted, by the controling powers (who were Muslim). So no "homes" were taken. Further more the UN Partition of 47’ was split based on the current settlements (population).

It was not until after a war the Muslim world started that anyone was kicked out of their :"homes". And is it not fair to think that if you wage war against your neighbor and lose, that you stand open to suffer losses?


I know the abuse we instill is for our own national interest..but that doesn't stop it from being abuse.
I completely agree that our oil needs have lead to abuse(s) in the Middle East, but it irrelavent here. And i do agree that that part of the world has every right ot dislike us, but would you not agree that is a double edge sword?

[open mind]

Go just a little further back then that and try reading about how the ottoman empire played a part in the matter......This does not begin with the British Protectorate at all…



That's not a fair example originally no one kicked anyone out. Jews were allowed (even welcomed) into this land, which at the time no one really wanted, by the controling powers (who were Muslim). So no "homes" were taken. Further more the UN Partition of 47’ was split based on the current settlements (population).

It was not until after a war the Muslim world started that anyone was kicked out of their :"homes". And is it not fair to think that if you wage war against your neighbor and lose, that you stand open to suffer losses?



I completely agree that our oil needs have lead to abuse(s) in the Middle East, but it irrelavent here. And i do agree that that part of the world has every right ot dislike us, but would you not agree that is a double edge sword?
okay the ottoman empire caused alot of trouble during world war II, so western powers carved it up into little pieces, and installed a bunch of puppet kings (and we bitch about the fact that democracy isn't in the middle east)
the muslims also wanted israel and palestine to be one country, but since the jews would have been the minority if that happened they rejected the idea, and began terrorizing the muslim populace, eventually the people being terrorized faught back (so saying they started the war is kind of a stretch since it was provoked)

[Justin_stacy]

but since the jews would have been the minority if that happened they rejected the idea, and began terrorizing the muslim populace, eventually the people being terrorized faught back (so saying they started the war is kind of a stretch since it was provoked)


Looking at history with one eye shut does not present the viewer a clear picture. Why are the gangs of Muslim that terrorized Jewish settlements in the north and overran British installations of no relevance to your attempt at a history lesson?

And how Israel terrorized Syria, Egypt, (trans)Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon is beyond me. The truth is you have no idea what you’re taking about. The war, or more appropriately, invasion of 1948 was not “provoked” by anything other then Israeli asserting its Independence based on the approved UN partition of 47’. Is it just coincidence that the war started the day after the British Mandate ended (almost as if it were planned in advanced)?......

[open mind]

Looking at history with one eye shut does not present the viewer a clear picture. Why are the gangs of Muslim that terrorized Jewish settlements in the north and overran British installations of no relevance to your attempt at a history lesson?

And how Israel terrorized Syria, Egypt, (trans)Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon is beyond me. The truth is you have no idea what you’re taking about. The war, or more appropriately, invasion of 1948 was not “provoked” by anything other then Israeli asserting its Independence based on the approved UN partition of 47’. Is it just coincidence that the war started the day after the British Mandate ended (almost as if it were planned in advanced)?......
why are they of no relevance? because of the zionist terrorists that started hostilities to begin with.
is palestine not filled with muslims or do i have no idea what i'm talking about? just because it was planned doesn't mean it wasn't provoked.

[open mind]

on a side note ethnic cleansing is never excusable, even if a war is started by those who are cleansed.

[richter915]

Looking at history with one eye shut does not present the viewer a clear picture. Why are the gangs of Muslim that terrorized Jewish settlements in the north and overran British installations of no relevance to your attempt at a history lesson?

And how Israel terrorized Syria, Egypt, (trans)Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon is beyond me. The truth is you have no idea what you’re taking about. The war, or more appropriately, invasion of 1948 was not “provoked” by anything other then Israeli asserting its Independence based on the approved UN partition of 47’. Is it just coincidence that the war started the day after the British Mandate ended (almost as if it were planned in advanced)?......
side note here:

I love how the demands of the UN of old deserve recognition but when the UN says something today, we completely blow it off.

[open mind]

side note here:

I love how the demands of the UN of old deserve recognition but when the UN says something today, we completely blow it off.
and how israel has violated plenty of un resolutions themselves.

[Justin_stacy]

why are they of no relevance? because of the zionist terrorists that started hostilities to begin with..

You tell me why it’s of no relevance. How are Muslim “terrorist” (I see were going for the dramatic terms) who attacked and wiped out whole villages of Jewish settlers, on Jewish lands, and who attacked numerous British installations that were there to do nothing but keep the peace (and who traditionally had sided with the Muslim population) free from blame in your “opened” mind. Your terrible description of history leaves out that Muslims were equal agitators in this mess. And that it was Muslim nations, based squarely on hatred, that start the hostilities that exist to this day........now tell me how that is of no relevance to the issue?

is palestine not filled with muslims or do i have no idea what i'm talking about? just because it was planned doesn't mean it wasn't provoked.

The land was actually sparsely populated, so it was "filled" with no one, which is one of the reasons the Ottoman Empire allowed the Jews in the first place to resettle land that they had an equal right to claim.

Provoking solely on Israel’s back, hardly……but by your conclusions it is “provoking” by the Muslim world that put the PLO in the place it finds itself today. Simple cause and effect.

on a side note ethnic cleansing is never excusable, even if a war is started by those who are cleansed.

Nor can war based solely on the goal of ethnic cleansing ever be justified, even if you have some preconceived distaste for the group some are attempting to “cleanse”…

[Justin_stacy]

side note here:

I love how the demands of the UN of old deserve recognition but when the UN says something today, we completely blow it off.

Only a fool would come to the conclusion that the body today is the same as it was then or that its goals are the same......Trying to achieve peace and attempting to enforce socialism and corruption are two very different things.

Is it more wrong to blow off a demand that was done with the goal of peace or graft?

[open mind]

You tell me why it’s of no relevance. How are Muslim “terrorist” (I see were going for the dramatic terms) who attacked and wiped out whole villages of Jewish settlers, on Jewish lands, and who attacked numerous British installations that were there to do nothing but keep the peace (and who traditionally had sided with the Muslim population) free from blame in your “opened” mind. Your terrible description of history leaves out that Muslims were equal agitators in this mess. And that it was Muslim nations, based squarely on hatred, that start the hostilities that exist to this day........now tell me how that is of no relevance to the issue?



The land was actually sparsely populated, so it was "filled" with no one, which is one of the reasons the Ottoman Empire allowed the Jews in the first place to resettle land that they had an equal right to claim.

Provoking solely on Israel’s back, hardly……but by your conclusions it is “provoking” by the Muslim world that put the PLO in the place it finds itself today. Simple cause and effect.



Nor can war based solely on the goal of ethnic cleansing ever be justified, even if you have some preconceived distaste for the group some are attempting to “cleanse”…
1)okay let's look at the history of racism and persecution of zionists and muslims and where it began then, i'll post links on the former and you the latter.
http://www.jerusalemites.org/zionism/index.htm
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story694.html
i think the zionists started the violence and if that's true you saying it doesn't matter who started the aggression makes as much sense as saying we started the war with japan.
2)if no one was there why was there a need to move out the palestinians? (that were said to not exist)
i don't follow you on that second point you were trying to make.
3)there is a difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, it was the zionists the palestinians were fighting so the goal was not ethnic cleansing. the israeli's on the other hand made it no secret that they were out to get every non-jew out of the country no matter what the means.
4)this isn't in response to anything you've said but many jews believe zionism is a form of heresy and therfore believe the state of israel goes against the jewish faith.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/rabbismain.htm
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

[Justin_stacy]

1)okay let's look at the history of racism and persecution of zionists and muslims and where it began then, i'll post links on the former and you the latter.
http://www.jerusalemites.org/zionism/index.htm
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story694.html

You didn’t post links proving either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron29.html
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/people1.htm
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/people2.htm
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1929)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1920

i think the zionists started the violence and if that's true you saying it doesn't matter who started the aggression makes as much sense as saying we started the war with japan.

Not even close. The fighting that happened prior to 1948 is not solely the responsibility of either body within the British Mandate; both were equal agitators, as I said. Outside of that the aggressor is obvious in every war since.

No comparison that could be made to WWII was ever implied by me.

2)if no one was there why was there a need to move out the palestinians? (that were said to not exist) .

A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds a silent mournful expanse…A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with pomp of life and action…We never saw a human being on the whole route…There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the Olive and the cactus, those fact friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.
Mark Twain.

Population stood at 275,000 people by the turn of the 18th century, based heavily around Jerusalem.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/demograhics.html


3)there is a difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, it was the zionists the palestinians were fighting so the goal was not ethnic cleansing. the israeli's on the other hand made it no secret that they were out to get every non-jew out of the country no matter what the means. .

And History doesn’t back you.

The Muslim riots of the early 1900’s were directed against peaceful settlers (rural and small towns) rather then Zionist who were more often willing to fight back. Making it clear that Jews in general were their targets.

Their leader Amin al Husyani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AlHusayniHitler.jpg http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/) tried to work with the Nazi’s and “spreading their ideology in the Middle East.” Which meant what?

4 wars have been started with the goal of annihalation of Israel and the Jews within it (48', 56', 67' and 73').

Or there are the words of the POL….

The religious ideology of the Palestinian Authority religious leaders can be summarized by eight essential principles:

Regarding the Jews:
1. Jews are the enemy of Allah.
2. Islam is fighting a continuous religious war against the Jews.
3. The killing of Jews is a religious obligation.
4. Palestinians are the vanguard in this war against the Jews, and all Islamic nations are obligated to assist in this war.

Regarding Israel:
- All of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea (which includes all of Israel) is a religious Waqf -- an Islamic religious trust. Any Moslem who relinquishes any part to Israel is damned to Hell.
- All agreements with Israel are inherently temporary in nature, and are signed only because of Israel's temporary balance of power advantage.
- Allah will replace Moslems who shirk their obligation to battle Israel.
- The ultimate destruction of Israel is a certainty.

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Islams_War_Against_the_Jews_Quotes_ from_the_Palestinian_Authority.asp

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html#i

[Dandy-Hand]

I think it's funny you guys are trying to win a fight even the people you're fighting about can't win.

[Justin_stacy]

its got nothing to do with "winning" its about putting equal blame where blame is due, and understanding that history is not black and white.

[ClapClapSnap]

I think it's funny you guys are trying to win a fight even the people you're fighting about can't win.

hah you're awesome.

[Dandy-Hand]

its got nothing to do with "winning" its about putting equal blame where blame is due, and understanding that history is not black and white.

I know what you're saying, but you're still fighting over something that won't be resolved.

[Frequency]

as a jewish kid, fucking revolutionize this piece of shit.

Word.

[open mind]

You didn’t post links proving either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron29.html
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/people1.htm
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/people2.htm
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1929)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1920



Not even close. The fighting that happened prior to 1948 is not solely the responsibility of either body within the British Mandate; both were equal agitators, as I said. Outside of that the aggressor is obvious in every war since.

No comparison that could be made to WWII was ever implied by me.



A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds a silent mournful expanse…A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with pomp of life and action…We never saw a human being on the whole route…There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the Olive and the cactus, those fact friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.
Mark Twain.

Population stood at 275,000 people by the turn of the 18th century, based heavily around Jerusalem.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/demograhics.html




And History doesn’t back you.

The Muslim riots of the early 1900’s were directed against peaceful settlers (rural and small towns) rather then Zionist who were more often willing to fight back. Making it clear that Jews in general were their targets.

Their leader Amin al Husyani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AlHusayniHitler.jpg http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/) tried to work with the Nazi’s and “spreading their ideology in the Middle East.” Which meant what?

4 wars have been started with the goal of annihalation of Israel and the Jews within it (48', 56', 67' and 73').

Or there are the words of the POL….

The religious ideology of the Palestinian Authority religious leaders can be summarized by eight essential principles:

Regarding the Jews:
1. Jews are the enemy of Allah.
2. Islam is fighting a continuous religious war against the Jews.
3. The killing of Jews is a religious obligation.
4. Palestinians are the vanguard in this war against the Jews, and all Islamic nations are obligated to assist in this war.

Regarding Israel:
- All of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea (which includes all of Israel) is a religious Waqf -- an Islamic religious trust. Any Moslem who relinquishes any part to Israel is damned to Hell.
- All agreements with Israel are inherently temporary in nature, and are signed only because of Israel's temporary balance of power advantage.
- Allah will replace Moslems who shirk their obligation to battle Israel.
- The ultimate destruction of Israel is a certainty.

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Islams_War_Against_the_Jews_Quotes_ from_the_Palestinian_Authority.asp

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html#i
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