View Full Version : I'm not a huge hockey fan but....
getupkid53
12/14/05, 12:18 PM
this really caught me by surprise.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/allan_muir/12/14/inside.nhl/index.html
The penguins leaving Pittsburgh? That's like the Bruins leaving Boston.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:26 PM
Thats like the Hartford Whalers going to Carolina...
wait...:'(
preppyak
12/14/05, 12:35 PM
Thats like the Hartford Whalers going to Carolina...
wait...:'(
Well the problem is that if you aren't the Steelers in Pittsburgh, your record seems to suck and the fans end up not really following you. Like, their are die-hard Pirates and Penguins fans, but they might as well cheer for a Philly team, because those teams aren't going anywhere
NetNerdsRevenge
12/14/05, 12:36 PM
I dont like the idea of them moving. Northeastern states and cities makes Hockey, not Kansas City or Houston.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 12:36 PM
Yeah...
but I still miss my Whalers.
I dont like the idea of them moving. Northeastern states and cities makes Hockey, not Kansas City or Houston.
Then tell them to put their butts in the seats...I really don't see this actually happenning though.
yeat182
12/14/05, 12:40 PM
this really caught me by surprise.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/allan_muir/12/14/inside.nhl/index.html
The penguins leaving Pittsburgh? That's like the Bruins leaving Boston.
not quite. boston is an original six team, and its one of the biggest hockey area's in the country, probably second only to minnesota/michigan.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 12:41 PM
id like to see seattle have a hockey team, it seems to make a lot more sense then having a team in nashville
yeat182
12/14/05, 12:42 PM
i'd like to see them move to canada.
weezer182
12/14/05, 12:44 PM
i'd like to see them move to canada.agreed. im not a fan of hockey teams moving from the north to the south
bigmike
12/14/05, 12:44 PM
The NHL needs to quit moving teams into markets that aren't hockey markets.
In the same token, the hockey cities need to start supporting their teams if they don't want them moving to non hockey markets.
weezer182
12/14/05, 12:54 PM
they should go back to somewhere like winnipeg
bigmike
12/14/05, 01:14 PM
they should go back to somewhere like winnipeg
yes. And Quebec.
I always loved the Nordiques' jersey.
weezer182
12/14/05, 01:16 PM
yes. And Quebec.
I always loved the Nordiques' jersey.there are atleast 3 canadian cities that could support an nhl team i think. they deserve it more too then some of the cities that have a team
bigmike
12/14/05, 01:18 PM
there are atleast 3 canadian cities that could support an nhl team i think. they deserve it more too then some of the cities that have a team
they deserve teams more than Miami (Florida Panthers), Phoenix, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, San Jose, Anaheim, and, Tampa Bay (even if they are defending champions).
weezer182
12/14/05, 01:22 PM
they deserve teams more than Miami (Florida Panthers), Phoenix, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, San Jose, Anaheim, and, Tampa Bay (even if they are defending champions).well...being from san jose i have to say we deserve a team more then the other cities you named haha. the city supports the team so good. the fans here are great, even if we are losing the sharks still sell out games. i just think its stupid to take a team out of somewhere like minnesota and put them in dallas.
bigmike
12/14/05, 01:26 PM
well...being from san jose i have to say we deserve a team more then the other cities you named haha. the city supports the team so good. the fans here are great, even if we are losing the sharks still sell out games. i just think its stupid to take a team out of somewhere like minnesota and put them in dallas.
I didn't mean that those cities aren't supporting their teams, because some of them are. However, I don't think California/Texas/Florida when I think hockey.
I still think Colorado, Phoenix, and Carolina should move back to Quebec, Winnipeg, and Hartford.
weezer182
12/14/05, 01:31 PM
I didn't mean that those cities aren't supporting their teams, because some of them are. However, I don't think California/Texas/Florida when I think hockey.
I still think Colorado, Phoenix, and Carolina should move back to Quebec, Winnipeg, and Hartford.yea i agree completely. every big city in canada and the north east/ northern u.s should have a team. i hate it how they move from good hockey towns to places like florida ect... although colorado deserves one
bigmike
12/14/05, 01:33 PM
yea i agree completely. every big city in canada and the north east/ northern u.s should have a team. i hate it how they move from good hockey towns to places like florida ect... although colorado deserves one
Colorado does deserve one, they're a good hockey city.
Just they should get a team after they move back to Quebec. haha.
Houston Penguins? Hmmmmm...:shake:
Broken Parachute
12/14/05, 02:16 PM
id like to see seattle have a hockey team, it seems to make a lot more sense then having a team in nashville
Ever been to their arena? It's right in the middle of Nashville on a main street. It worked for madison Square Garden, but Nashville just isn't like New York in terms of people. I agree, Seattle deserves a team.
But wow, Pittsburgh moving is just..weird.
weezer182
12/14/05, 02:20 PM
pittsburgh shouldnt leave
aminorthreat55
12/14/05, 02:55 PM
Then tell them to put their butts in the seats...I really don't see this actually happenning though.
The Penguins have one of the highest attendence percentages in the sport.
aminorthreat55
12/14/05, 02:57 PM
It's also not economically feasible for teams to move to Canada. The reason they all left was because the exchange rates and inflation kept short changing them with the amount of money that they could put into their team. It doesn't make much sense to me, but my sports economics textbook claims thats why they all left in the 90s.
bigmike
12/14/05, 03:00 PM
The Penguins have one of the highest attendence percentages in the sport.
yes, but alot of struggling teams are rumored to be giving tickets away instead of selling out.
I've heard that Washington does that, but that's maybe/probably just a rumor.
weezer182
12/14/05, 03:00 PM
It's also not economically feasible for teams to move to Canada. The reason they all left was because the exchange rates and inflation kept short changing them with the amount of money that they could put into their team. It doesn't make much sense to me, but my sports economics textbook claims thats why they all left in the 90s.yea the exchange rate is getting better if that means anything but..canada deserves hockey teams. hockey in canada is intense and fun to watch
aminorthreat55
12/14/05, 03:02 PM
yes, but alot of struggling teams are rumored to be giving tickets away instead of selling out.
I've heard that Washington does that, but that's maybe/probably just a rumor.
Washington has to do it. I watch almost every game and they typically report attendance around 12,000-13,000 but it looks more like 6,000. But who knows.
bigmike
12/14/05, 03:05 PM
Washington has to do it. I watch almost every game and they typically report attendance around 12,000-13,000 but it looks more like 6,000. But who knows.
It wouldn't surprise me. Ted Leonsis is horrible. I remember him punching out a fan or something because the fan criticized how he's ran the team as an owner.
underthetalking
12/14/05, 07:42 PM
Bring back the Whalers.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 07:49 PM
Ever been to their arena? It's right in the middle of Nashville on a main street. It worked for madison Square Garden, but Nashville just isn't like New York in terms of people. I agree, Seattle deserves a team.
But wow, Pittsburgh moving is just..weird. i don't see why they wouldnt put a team in seattle, they have an arena, its a huge city, they wouldn't take any fans away from vancouver and think that people would support a team in the northwest
leafsacc
12/14/05, 08:00 PM
It's also not economically feasible for teams to move to Canada. The reason they all left was because the exchange rates and inflation kept short changing them with the amount of money that they could put into their team. It doesn't make much sense to me, but my sports economics textbook claims thats why they all left in the 90s.
that really isn't an issue right now, the exchange rate is at 1.15 right now, down from around 1.56 in 2002, and the salary cap makes it even less of a constraint. I would love to see a team back in Winnipeg.
richter915
12/14/05, 08:03 PM
The NHL needs to quit moving teams into markets that aren't hockey markets.
In the same token, the hockey cities need to start supporting their teams if they don't want them moving to non hockey markets.
the league has obviously learned nothing from the lockout
the Pens should move to sasketchewan
weezer182
12/14/05, 08:06 PM
the league has obviously learned nothing from the lockout
the Pens should move to sasketchewansaskatoon would be nice
richter915
12/14/05, 08:08 PM
saskatoon would be nice
fuckin...portland maine would be better than kansas city. I seriously hate the league so much for shit like this. I understand if they can't renew their contract with the arena but don't move them to where there's no market...
weezer182
12/14/05, 08:11 PM
fuckin...portland maine would be better than kansas city. I seriously hate the league so much for shit like this. I understand if they can't renew their contract with the arena but don't move them to where there's no market...the league is so stupid. they try and expand too much into places that dont really need a hockey team. i lost faith in the nhl when minnesota moved to dallas.
leafsacc
12/14/05, 08:13 PM
i don't think it's the leage that's broguht this up, i think it's the penguins trying to use it as a bargining chip for a new arena, again.
i think seattle would be really confused if it got a hockey team
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 08:37 PM
i think seattle would be really confused if it got a hockey team
why?
i don't think there's a market for it. i lived there for 11 years and i knew one person who gave a shit about hockey, and they were from canada. i never got into hockey because i grew up in seattle, i know they have the thunderbirds or whatever, but what's that team's attendance like? even as a minor league hockey team.
also, i'm under the impression that only cities where lakes freeze and you can play hockey on them should get hockey teams. which would cancel out seattle and most of the places teams have moved to in the last 15 years.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 08:47 PM
i don't think there's a market for it. i lived there for 11 years and i knew one person who gave a shit about hockey, and they were from canada. i never got into hockey because i grew up in seattle, i know they have the thunderbirds or whatever, but what's that team's attendance like? even as a minor league hockey team.
also, i'm under the impression that only cities where lakes freeze and you can play hockey on them should get hockey teams. which would cancel out seattle and most of the places teams have moved to in the last 15 years.How isn't there a market, there is over a million people in seattle and the surrounding areas. i live pretty close seattle now and still do not see why not. Obviously the thunderbirds won't get that much people cuz its a minor league team. In Vancouver, lakes don't freeze so do you think they don't deserve one to? It still snows a little in seattle. I can see hockey in Seattle being pretty successful especially in a some what small venue in key arena. I am sure the only reason you didn't hear about hockey there because they didn't have a professional team
How isn't there a market, there is over a million people in seattle and the surrounding areas. i live pretty close seattle now and still do not see why not. Obviously the thunderbirds won't get that much people cuz its a minor league team. In Vancouver, lakes don't freeze so do you think they don't deserve one to? It still snows a little in seattle. I can see hockey in Seattle being pretty successful especially in a some what small venue in key arena. I am sure the only reason you didn't hear about hockey there because they didn't have a professional team
i agree to some extent, and yes, there's over a million people in seattle, but there's nothing to prove that there's a market for hockey. hell, UW doesn't even have a hockey team and neither does WSU. that is seriously saying something.
weezer182
12/14/05, 09:08 PM
you probably would of said the same thing for san jose before they got the sharks and the sharks do great in san jose. if a professional hockey team moved to seattle it would grab peoples attention and people would go. i know people who have to go up to vancouver if they want to go to a game.plus a lot of guys will go just to drink beer and watch the hits. shit if nashville ect.. is going to get a team. seattle deserves one way more and im really surprised they dont have one.
you probably would of said the same thing for san jose before they got the sharks and the sharks do great in san jose. if a professional hockey team moved to seattle it would grab peoples attention and people would go. i know people who have to go up to vancouver if they want to go to a game.plus a lot of guys will go just to drink beer and watch the hits. shit if nashville ect.. is going to get a team. seattle deserves one way more and im really surprised they dont have one.
i agree that because san jose, nashville, etc. etc. can support a hockey team, seattle probably could too. but, do they deserve one? does every major city deserve a hockey team JUST because they can support it? no, teams should be in canada where they originally were and places that naturally support hockey and you know... have hockey teams in their major state schools or in any high school surrounding them.
according to your arguement, there should be like 50 hockey teams JUST because they can support a team. saying, well if nashville has one, this place, this place, this place deserve one is going against what i'm saying completely.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:14 PM
i agree to some extent, and yes, there's over a million people in seattle, but there's nothing to prove that there's a market for hockey. hell, UW doesn't even have a hockey team and neither does WSU. that is seriously saying something.
you might be surprised about the market in seattle
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:17 PM
i agree that because san jose, nashville, etc. etc. can support a hockey team, seattle probably could too. but, do they deserve one? does every major city deserve a hockey team JUST because they can support it? no, teams should be in canada where they originally were and places that naturally support hockey and you know... have hockey teams in their major state schools or in any high school surrounding them.
this conversation started out to if seattle has the market now it has turned into what cities deserve teams. i really don't think hockey should expand in the south but seattle compared to the south is a lot different and in my opinion i think hockey could do very well in the northwest
yeat182
12/14/05, 09:22 PM
How isn't there a market, there is over a million people in seattle and the surrounding areas. i live pretty close seattle now and still do not see why not. Obviously the thunderbirds won't get that much people cuz its a minor league team. In Vancouver, lakes don't freeze so do you think they don't deserve one to? It still snows a little in seattle. I can see hockey in Seattle being pretty successful especially in a some what small venue in key arena. I am sure the only reason you didn't hear about hockey there because they didn't have a professional team
there isn't a market if people don't like hockey. there are a ton of people in a ton of other cities, some of which are the same ones that have recently recieved expansion teams. a lot of people doesn't equal a successful market.
weezer182
12/14/05, 09:23 PM
i agree that because san jose, nashville, etc. etc. can support a hockey team, seattle probably could too. but, do they deserve one? does every major city deserve a hockey team JUST because they can support it? no, teams should be in canada where they originally were and places that naturally support hockey and you know... have hockey teams in their major state schools or in any high school surrounding them.i do think canadian/ hockey cities should have teams. i dont have a problem with places like san jose that can support a team. i have a problem when they take teams out of hockey cities and put them somewhere like dallas.with that being said i think seattle could become a good hockey area if it wanted to. atleast it snows a little there and its a big city. id rather seattle have a team then somewhere like houston
yeat182
12/14/05, 09:26 PM
i do think canadian/ hockey cities should have teams. i dont have a problem with places like san jose that can support a team. i have a problem when they take teams out of hockey cities and put them somewhere like dallas.with that being said i think seattle could become a good hockey area if it wanted to. atleast it snows a little there and its a big city. id rather seattle have a team then somewhere like houston
this is simply continueing the trend the NHL started by putting teams in non-traditional markets. we can't claim that the NHL screwed up by trying to expand in cities they didn't belong in and then say we should move a team to Seattle because they might like hockey. they are just going down the same road they're already on, and hows that worked out for them?
i do think canadian/ hockey cities should have teams. i dont have a problem with places like san jose that can support a team. i have a problem when they take teams out of hockey cities and put them somewhere like dallas.with that being said i think seattle could become a good hockey area if it wanted to. atleast it snows a little there and its a big city. id rather seattle have a team then somewhere like houston
saying i'd rather have a team in seattle than in houston is kind of beside the point. just because it snows every once in a while and it's a big city doesn't mean that people like or give a shit about hockey there. THEIR STATE SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE HOCKEY TEAMS.
you might be surprised about the market in seattle
i MIGHT be, if i wasn't from there and knew what the market was like, which was, pretty nonexistent.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:31 PM
there isn't a market if people don't like hockey. there are a ton of people in a ton of other cities, some of which are the same ones that have recently recieved expansion teams. a lot of people doesn't equal a successful market.
ya i agree to some extend, but the more people a city has the bigger chance you can come in and get new fans. One main reason for expansion is to attract new fans to your sport. I am saying if hockey can go into the south, where hockey is less popular then the northwest, why couldnt it go to seattle?
ya i agree to some extend, but the more people a city has the bigger chance you can come in and get new fans. One main reason for expansion is to attract new fans to your sport. I am saying if hockey can go into the south, where hockey is less popular then the northwest, why couldnt it go to seattle?
it could, but should it? no.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:33 PM
i MIGHT be, if i wasn't from there and knew what the market was like, which was, pretty nonexistent.
I'm from san jose and before the sharks came the market was nonexistant, but once they got here they sell out almost all games. so yes, you might be surprised
I'm from san jose and before the sharks came the market was nonexistant, but once they got here they sell out almost all games. so yes, you might be surprised
everyone seems to be missing the point. i know you're from san jose and that you love your sharks, but should san jose fucking california have a hockey team? probably not. and neither should seattle and neither should houston or kansas city or texas or washington dc. their markets may be great now, but hockey teams should have stayed where they were, and expansion should have taken place in the cities where teams moved from.
yeat182
12/14/05, 09:37 PM
ya i agree to some extend, but the more people a city has the bigger chance you can come in and get new fans. One main reason for expansion is to attract new fans to your sport. I am saying if hockey can go into the south, where hockey is less popular then the northwest, why couldnt it go to seattle?
hockey shouldn't expand, they should contract and consolidate their fan base. they need to make it popular in the cities where it has been traditionally a popular sport, and then when the demand is there for expansion, slowly move into new markets. i
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:38 PM
everyone seems to be missing the point. i know you're from san jose and that you love your sharks, but should san jose fucking california have a hockey team? probably not. and neither should seattle and neither should houston or kansas city or texas or washington dc. their markets may be great now, but hockey teams should have stayed where they were, and expansion should have taken place in the cities where teams moved from.
im not talking about what cities deserve teams, im talking about if seattle has a hockey market
weezer182
12/14/05, 09:40 PM
this is simply continueing the trend the NHL started by putting teams in non-traditional markets. we can't claim that the NHL screwed up by trying to expand in cities they didn't belong in and then say we should move a team to Seattle because they might like hockey. they are just going down the same road they're already on, and hows that worked out for them?yes the nhl has screwed up big time by expanding.i said IF they are gonna expand id rather it be in seattle then a place like the south.. 17 out of the 30 teams are in "non-traditional markes". id rather have a team in hockey cities especially in most canadian cities.
im not talking about what cities deserve teams, im talking about if seattle has a hockey market
well, it doesn't. but if a hockey team moved there, they might eventually. i know i keep bringing this up, but it's very telling that uw and wsu don't have hockey teams.
yes the nhl has screwed up big time by expanding.i said IF they are gonna expand id rather it be in seattle then a place like the south.. 17 out of the 30 teams are in "non-traditional markes". id rather have a team in hockey cities especially in most canadian cities.
and if a team moved to seattle, the number would stay 17 out of 30.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:41 PM
hockey shouldn't expand, they should contract and consolidate their fan base. they need to make it the popular in the cities where it has been traditionally a popular sport, and then when the demand is there for expansion, slowly move into new markets. i
i pretty much agree, id love to see more teams go back to canada. i am just saying if the NHL thinks they should expand so much try going to seattle before they go to the south
yeat182
12/14/05, 09:41 PM
im not talking about what cities deserve teams, im talking about if seattle has a hockey market
well, based on the fact that they don't have any college hockey, and unpopular minor league team, i would say they don't have a market.
yeat182
12/14/05, 09:42 PM
i pretty much agree, id love to see more teams go back to canada. i am just saying if the NHL thinks they should expand so much try going to seattle before they go to the south
ok, i agree that before they should move south they shold explore the northern cities, and seattle probably has a better market than Atlanta for example, but i think it still falls short on the list of northern cities with large markets for hockey.
somethingyellow
12/14/05, 09:42 PM
well, it doesn't. but if a hockey team moved there, they might eventually. i know i keep bringing this up, but it's very telling that uw and wsu don't have hockey teams.
it is prolly cuz the pac-10 doesnt have hockey so they wouldnt have any league to be in. Though its not in seattle, Western Washington has a hockey team and theres pick up hockey in the rinks there
weezer182
12/14/05, 09:54 PM
here is my point...the nhl needs to go back into canada first. although that probably wont happen. im not a fan of expansion or teams relocating to places like nashville ect... if they are gonna to expand id rather see it in seattle then say...oklahoma city ect... partly bias because i go school in washington so i can watch some games on tv. the northwest seems more a fit then the south for hockey.
bigmike
12/15/05, 03:52 AM
ya i agree to some extend, but the more people a city has the bigger chance you can come in and get new fans. One main reason for expansion is to attract new fans to your sport. I am saying if hockey can go into the south, where hockey is less popular then the northwest, why couldnt it go to seattle?
no, the main reason for expansion is to put a team where there is already demand. The NHL is in no position to try and attract new fans, it's in the position to try and keep as well as bring back the old ones that it alienated with it's lockout.
North Dakota deserves a team before Seattle, as the people in Grand Forks put up an NHL quality arena for The University Of North Dakota Fighting Sioux. it's proven that there is a market for hockey there. The UND arena there is a multi-million dollar facility that i've heard is a top 20 NHL caliber arena and is better than Pittsburgh's and Florida's just to name a couple.
http://www.fightingsioux.com/info/facilities/images/rea_interior.jpg
^UND's arena. (They're football field is amazing too, for being a D2 football program.)
And Wisconsin deserves one since the Wisconsin Badgers have some of the best attendance in NCAA hockey as well as fielding, yearly, a top ten hockey program. They are just like Minnesota in it's hockey infatuation.
Club hockey teams are basically non scholarship kids that attend a university and basically aren't good enough to play for the varsity team so they play club. I could be wrong, but I think club teams aren't affiliated with NCAA divisions (D1, D2, etc.) and might be most to all funded by players/coaches/parents. I don't know if the universities put much if any money into them.
Generally speaking, each northernish major college will have a club hockey team, as in Michigan we've got plenty:
Western Michigan University
University Of Michigan
Michigan State University
Ferris State University
Northern Michigan University
Lake Superior State University
All have club hockey teams, I believe. I'll have to look up other schools, but i'm pretty sure they all have club hockey teams.
bigmike
12/15/05, 03:56 AM
it is prolly cuz the pac-10 doesnt have hockey so they wouldnt have any league to be in. Though its not in seattle, Western Washington has a hockey team and theres pick up hockey in the rinks there
there is Pac 10 hockey. Well, really, it's called the Pac 8 conference and it DOES include the University Of Washington, as well as Washington State University. Granted, it is a club hockey team and a varsity sport like other colleges around the country, but it does exsist.
http://www.pac8hockey.com/league.php?scriptName=LEAGUEINFO&leagueID=8951&leagueInfoID=9860
the 8 teams are:
UCLA
Oregon
USC
Cal
Washington
Standford
Washington State
bigmike
12/15/05, 04:10 AM
Doug, didn't mean to maybe burst your bubble about UW and WSU not having hockey teams, but keep preachin' kid, keep preachin'.
yeat182
12/15/05, 06:18 AM
Doug, didn't mean to maybe burst your bubble about UW and WSU not having hockey teams, but keep preachin' kid, keep preachin'.
they are club teams though, not part of the NCAA. it's essentially intramurals. its made up of kids who want to play hockey but can't because there isn't a team (or they aren't that good), and in either case, they probably don't draw any fans at all.
mikeford
12/15/05, 08:35 AM
im sick of people talking shit about nashville.
yeah, not a traditional hockey town by any means but you know what... they draw a fuck load more people than the penguins do. they sell out almost every night... people in nashville LOVE their predators, so stop hating.
the panthers... now THERES a team you can hate on.
somethingyellow
12/15/05, 08:42 AM
no, the main reason for expansion is to put a team where there is already demand. The NHL is in no position to try and attract new fans, it's in the position to try and keep as well as bring back the old ones that it alienated with it's lockout.
yes that is part of it but the other big part is to draw new fans. I don't think the NHL gives a shit about what cities deserve teams, they really just care about making money and would see these big cities as an opportunity to widen their fan base, hence why the moved into cities like atlanta, carolina, etc
yeat182
12/15/05, 08:43 AM
yes that is part of it but the other big part is to draw new fans. I don't think the NHL gives a shit about what cities deserve teams, they really just care about making money and would see these big cities as an opportunity to widen their fan base, hence why the moved into cities like atlanta, carolina, etc
yeah, but it didn't work.
somethingyellow
12/15/05, 08:45 AM
yeah, but it didn't work.
according to mikeford nashville does extremely well
mikeford
12/15/05, 09:03 AM
http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4058519&nav=1TcZ
http://sports.canada.com/default.asp?c=canada2&page=nhl/teams/ATTENDANCE150.htm
note: 17,113 is a sellout.
yeat182
12/15/05, 11:54 AM
according to mikeford nashville does extremely well
how's the league doing?
one team selling out isn't going to save the league, expansion has done more to hurt the league than nashville is doing to save it.
yeat182
12/15/05, 12:00 PM
http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4058519&nav=1TcZ
http://sports.canada.com/default.asp?c=canada2&page=nhl/teams/ATTENDANCE150.htm
note: 17,113 is a sellout.
according to this their average attendance is 13,926 at home, and they rank 25 in the league....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2006
Doug, didn't mean to maybe burst your bubble about UW and WSU not having hockey teams, but keep preachin' kid, keep preachin'.
yeah, cool, i looked up VARSITY teams for those schools on wikipedia. but if you consider club sports varsity sports, then yes, you sure burst my bubble
hahahahaha the pac-8's merch is done through cafeshops
bigmike
12/15/05, 12:56 PM
hahahahaha the pac-8's merch is done through cafeshops
haha, i didn't say it was good. I was just simply pointing out that they have hockey teams, be it clube or not, and from what a friend has told me, they draw (well used to a couple three years ago) pretty well for no one knowing about it.
im sick of people talking shit about nashville.
yeah, not a traditional hockey town by any means but you know what... they draw a fuck load more people than the penguins do. they sell out almost every night... people in nashville LOVE their predators, so stop hating.
the panthers... now THERES a team you can hate on.
no one's saying they don't draw well. The city of Nashville probably shouldn't have gotten a team before other cities. Sure, the city has responded well, but that wasn't the point everyone's trying to make. the point was that they didn't deserve a team over other cities. relax, we're not the Anti Nashville Coalition.
yes that is part of it but the other big part is to draw new fans. I don't think the NHL gives a shit about what cities deserve teams, they really just care about making money and would see these big cities as an opportunity to widen their fan base, hence why the moved into cities like atlanta, carolina, etc
yes, they care about making money as any business should, however, how much are they making in struggling markets like Florida, Atlanta, Phoenix, Columbus, etc.?
For every non traditional hockey city that's thriving, there's 5 that aren't.
9mmREGRET
12/15/05, 02:30 PM
Woo Hooo!
Go Houston!
mikeford
12/15/05, 08:01 PM
what other cities that havent ALREADY had teams that failed deserve it more than nashville?
your argument is probably not based on anything more than "theres no ice there"
the city of quebec lost its team for a reason
hartford lost its team for a reason.
they cant go back to quebec because there isnt an NHL quality stadium in quebec.
weezer182
12/15/05, 08:12 PM
what other cities that havent ALREADY had teams that failed deserve it more than nashville?
saskatoon might be able to have one. also milwaukee could make an argument for a team
yeat182
12/15/05, 08:25 PM
what other cities that havent ALREADY had teams that failed deserve it more than nashville?
your argument is probably not based on anything more than "theres no ice there"
the city of quebec lost its team for a reason
hartford lost its team for a reason.
they cant go back to quebec because there isnt an NHL quality stadium in quebec.
some cities didn't lose their teams because of poor attendence, some lost them because of bad stadiums. others because the owners were idiots.
bigmike
12/16/05, 06:49 AM
what other cities that havent ALREADY had teams that failed deserve it more than nashville?
your argument is probably not based on anything more than "theres no ice there"
the city of quebec lost its team for a reason
hartford lost its team for a reason.
they cant go back to quebec because there isnt an NHL quality stadium in quebec.
I know that hartford and quebec lost their teams for a reason.
Winnipeg deserves a team before nashville, as different from quebec, they have a stadium there that's NHL quality and there's a good market there.
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