Glenn Beck: The Most Dangerous "Political" Voice in America

[IAmNietzche]

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Really good article.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/138476/glenn_beck%3A_a_savvy_fraud_who_kno ws_just_how_to_please_his_audience_ of_conservative_suckers/

It's easy for most of us to laugh him off as being a joke, but the reality is that he has a huge conservative base that believes every word he says. Liberals and and conservatives alike should be wary of this guy.

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[NickLopez]

Definitely.

[NickLopez]

That's an absurd picture, by the way.

[SlappedActor]

The other hosts on that video are irritating as fuck.

But yeah, Glenn Beck. I don't disagree with everything he says, but he's definitely got some weird ideas.

[SpacePunk]

It's easy for most of us to laugh him off as being a joke, but the reality is that he has a huge conservative base that believes every word he says. Liberals and and conservatives alike should be wary of this guy.



I don't agree with Glenn Beck a lot, but I'll take him over Olbermann/Maddow any day.

[IAmNietzche]

I don't agree with Glenn Beck a lot, but I'll take him over Olbermann/Maddow any day.
Only because his views fall in line with yours.

[TheOtherAndrew]

I can't think of much that I wouldn't give to wipe the shit-eating grin off that douchebag's face.

[Mitch]

When this guy wrote for CNN, I thought he was crazy--but only because I disagreed with him. Now that he has his own show, however, it's pretty easy to see that he actually is crazy.

[GeeBee]

I don't agree with Glenn Beck a lot, but I'll take him over Olbermann/Maddow any day.

You show me one Olbermann/Maddow instance of spouting nonsense, and for that I'll show you 74 instances of Beck spouting nonsense, encouraging violent uprising, manifesting mental instability, being racist, homophobic, misogynistic, dogmatic, and just plain crazy.

I wish blowhards on both sides of the spectrum would STFU. All they do is nitpick and complain.
But Beck's brand of "movement" is frightening and dangerous.

[prkchpsndwchs]

I don't agree with Glenn Beck a lot, but I'll take him over Olbermann/Maddow any day.

Olbermann is way too over the top, but any of those types of news anchors (oriley, olberman, rush) just drill their personal opinion into stupid americans who eat that shit up. I'm sick of it. Wolf Blitzer FTW

[Machu505]

I don't agree with Glenn Beck a lot, but I'll take him over Olbermann/Maddow any day.

I would love to see examples of any inflammatory/partisan comments that Maddow has said.

[Adeniz19]

When this guy wrote for CNN, I thought he was crazy--but only because I disagreed with him. Now that he has his own show, however, it's pretty easy to see that he actually is crazy.
yea, i didnt think he was THAT bad when he was on CNN but now he is just bat shit insane

[TheOtherAndrew]

No he was fucking awful when he was on CNN.

[loveisdead]

I can't think of much that I wouldn't give to wipe the shit-eating grin off that douchebag's face.
This sums up my thoughts pretty well.

In all seriousness, I don't think Olbermann touches how insane Beck is. Sure, Olbermann is incredibly over the top and in many cases shouldn't be taken seriously, but Beck is downright insane. How he is allowed to have his own TV show where he continuously says ridiculous things is beyond me.

[The Summer Ends]

I'm conservative and even I know Glenn Beck is insane.

[J.C.]

I am wary of the Limbaughs, Hannitys, and Becks of the world. Anybody who rises to their prominence despite not having accomplished much of anything in life is worth keeping an eye on.

[GeeBee]

I am wary of the Limbaughs, Hannitys, and Becks of the world. Anybody who rises to their prominence despite not having accomplished much of anything in life is worth keeping an eye one.

Their entire formula for success---

Prey on the insecurities of the uneducated masses...
Provide a common enemy to said masses...
Promote the idea that I am ONE of them...
Laugh all the way to the bank.

I can only imagine that after each paycheck, they laugh at how EASY it is to make money doing what they do.

[KenjiBeast]

Glenn Beck is nothing but a terrible joke. He's this incarnation of the stereotypical "Paranoid White Man" that really ought to be obsolete in this day and age. Is he dangerous? No. IMHO, he's nothing but some clown, and he's got no more clout or legitimacy than any other commentator in the mainstream media.

[captainhampton]

i like him

[IAmNietzche]

Glenn Beck is nothing but a terrible joke. He's this incarnation of the stereotypical "Paranoid White Man" that really ought to be obsolete in this day and age. Is he dangerous? No. IMHO, he's nothing but some clown, and he's got no more clout or legitimacy than any other commentator in the mainstream media.
He has much more clout than most in the mainstream media because he plays on people's fears and paints himself as someone who understands and can sympathize with them. He has a huge following of people that are too dumb to see him for what he is. That's dangerous.

[batmannj]

Oh gosh, Keith Olberman is just about as ridiculous as this guy, it's just that he doesn't jive with this site's political views. There is no such thing as unbiased news and the sooner people figure that out the better. Glenn Beck is just another one who has some out there beliefs who will slant things however he wants them to go. My advice is to get over it and go on with your day.

[KenjiBeast]

He has much more clout than most in the mainstream media because he plays on people's fears and paints himself as someone who understands and can sympathize with them. He has a huge following of people that are too dumb to see him for what he is. That's dangerous.

IMHO taking him, as well as his followers seriously only works to give Beck clout and legitimize his statements.

The only way to render Beck and his ilk neutered is to refuse them said legitimacy. Don't take a single word they say seriously, and expose them as the clowns they are.

[Justin_stacy]

I thought now that the left had the Obama News Network (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/) all this shit was gonna be over........:faint:

[loveisdead]

I thought now that the left had the Obama News Network (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/) all this shit was gonna be over........:faint:
Cmon. There's a huge difference between bias and lunacy.

[splitsecond]

This debate is not even worth entering, you kids very clearly have your closed minds made up.

[Justin_stacy]

Cmon. There's a huge difference between bias and lunacy.

Oh' MSNBC isn't that crazy....;-) . Beck's no more of mindless ally of his side than any other talking head on tv. They're all annoying, and verging on 'lunacy'. Smith and Maddow are the only two I still like, and Maddow's pushing my ability to watch her anymore.

[J.C.]

Oh gosh, Keith Olberman is just about as ridiculous as this guy, it's just that he doesn't jive with this site's political views. There is no such thing as unbiased news and the sooner people figure that out the better. Glenn Beck is just another one who has some out there beliefs who will slant things however he wants them to go. My advice is to get over it and go on with your day.

I don't particularly care for Olbermann, but I think there a number of things wrong with the comparison. For one, there's a considerable gap in pure intellect. Two, Keith is pretty much representative of mainstream Democratic views. Beck falls on the fringe of even the Republican party. He speaks stupidity to power.

Olbermann's more in the vein of Hannity, who's just a parrot for the Republican party.

[IAmNietzche]

This debate is not even worth entering, you kids very clearly have your closed minds made up.
Your mind is as closed as anyone on this site, if not moreso.

[splitsecond]

Your mind is as closed as anyone on this site, if not moreso.

Obviously because I am a conservative on a punk site, I am more closed minded. It makes perfect sense.

[Justin_stacy]

Obviously because I am a conservative on a punk site, I am more closed minded. It makes perfect sense.

:jawdrop: .........I just had to do it, now I'll go back to minding my own business.

[mmmmmpoetry]

I think all of you are wrong. Quit watching "news"

[IAmNietzche]

Obviously because I am a conservative on a punk site, I am more closed minded. It makes perfect sense.
A punk site?

[splitsecond]

A punk site?

That was intended to be slightly tongue in cheek, but I think you know what I mean.

[saysmydoctor]

I would love to see examples of any inflammatory/partisan comments that Maddow has said.
Finding a partisan comment from Maddow is like looking for a needle in a stack of needles. Inflammatory, I'll give you credit though.
i like him
Of course you do.
I thought now that the left had the Obama News Network (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/) all this shit was gonna be over........:faint:
Fox News Editorial Commentators bias is understandable. It's their prerogative to be stupid and unintelligent during their hour of television. I can get over that. Same with MSNBC.

But when your anchors are getting into debates and cutting the mics over people they disagree in the name of 'protecting their network?' I think Fox has less ground to stand on then MSNBC.

[x togepi x]

anyone saying "olbermann/random liberal commentator" is just is ridiculous as glenn beck should put money where their mouth is and post video examples, because it's pretty fucking easy to do that with glenn beck, who i don't think is dangerous because nobody with a brain takes him seriously.

[J.C.]

anyone saying "olbermann/random liberal commentator" is just is ridiculous as glenn beck should put money where their mouth is and post video examples, because it's pretty fucking easy to do that with glenn beck, who i don't think is dangerous because nobody with a brain takes him seriously.

The brainless are the ones who scare me shitless.

[Justin_stacy]

But when your anchors are getting into debates and cutting the mics over people they disagree in the name of 'protecting their network?' I think Fox has less ground to stand on then MSNBC.

You're kidding yourself with that apologist opinion, but being what you are and what I am there's little value in discussing the topic. I'm not about to cover for Fox and their bias, but nor will I listen to someone trying to pretend the same from the opposite side is somehow 'less bad'.

For me MSNBC's coverage of the presidential election was disgusting, and if it wasn't for Maddow I'd have very little use for the station, and sadly even she seems to be taking cues from others now. That's what did me in on the station, and it used to be my favorite. A simple 'former watchers' opinion.

[batmannj]

I don't particularly care for Olbermann, but I think there a number of things wrong with the comparison. For one, there's a considerable gap in pure intellect. Two, Keith is pretty much representative of mainstream Democratic views. Beck falls on the fringe of even the Republican party. He speaks stupidity to power.

Olbermann's more in the vein of Hannity, who's just a parrot for the Republican party.
Yeah I would agree with you there. I don't really dig any of these kind of people but that is a valid point. I just wish we could get someone who is right down the middle, but that is a pipe dream if there ever was one.

[hitALTkey]

"Beck has done all the necessary spadework to position himself at the center of a brewing and increasingly paranoid right-wing insurgency."

I liked the article as a whole, but descriptions like this are unnecessary. There's no need to make conservatives sound like terrorists.

[saysmydoctor]

You're kidding yourself with that apologist opinion, but being what you are and what I am there's little value in discussing the topic. I'm not about to cover for Fox and their bias, but nor will I listen to someone trying to pretend the same from the opposite side is somehow 'less bad'.

For me MSNBC's coverage of the presidential election was disgusting, and if it wasn't for Maddow I'd have very little use for the station, and sadly even she seems to be taking cues from others now. That's what did me in on the station, and it used to be my favorite. A simple 'former watchers' opinion.
I'm not denying the bias.

But MSNBC doesn't direct the news, as blatantly as Fox does:

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2003/10/30/fox_thememo.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-gilliam/fox-news-vp-john-moody-is_b_34140.html
http://www.outfoxed.org/

MSNBC is a bit more subtle but at least they even have a little editorial split with characters like Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough.

[ImTheSheriff]

Do any of you even watch or listen to glenn beck? honestly? or are you just saying what everyone else says? i'm not a fan of his but come on, he isn't as bad as you all are making him.

[GeeBee]

"Beck has done all the necessary spadework to position himself at the center of a brewing and increasingly paranoid right-wing insurgency."

I liked the article as a whole, but descriptions like this are unnecessary. There's no need to make conservatives sound like terrorists.

Engendering a paranoid "us vs. them" conspiracy and promoting rebellion against the "fascist socialist" who are trying to "take over" is dangerously close.

[GeeBee]

Do any of you even watch or listen to glenn beck? honestly? or are you just saying what everyone else says? i'm not a fan of his but come on, he isn't as bad as you all are making him.

Let the list of youtube links begin...
It's you who apparently hasn't listened.

[captainhampton]

Engendering a paranoid "us vs. them" conspiracy and promoting rebellion against the "fascist socialist" who are trying to "take over" is dangerously close.

just curious, what kind of rebellion was Beck promoting?

[J.C.]

I did a play-by-play on here of one of his shows where he compared Obama to Hitler, Stalin, and Lenin.

He's an absolute fucking loon.

[ImTheSheriff]

Let the list of youtube links begin...
It's you who apparently hasn't listened.

actually my roommate listens to him on the radio everyday. so i have, and i'm still not convinced by your argument

[4N6 science]

Glenn Beck is awful. I guess now that he's on Fixed News he can say whatever crazy thought pops into his head. I can see why CNN got rid of him.

[loveisdead]

just curious, what kind of rebellion was Beck promoting?
If this country starts to spiral out of control... Americans won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up.
Not the best example but I don't care that much to research.

[saysmydoctor]

Do any of you even watch or listen to glenn beck? honestly? or are you just saying what everyone else says? i'm not a fan of his but come on, he isn't as bad as you all are making him.
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just curious, what kind of rebellion was Beck promoting?
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[saysmydoctor]

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[captainhampton]

Not the best example but I don't care that much to research.

i wouldn't say that is something that is promoting terrorist activity or anything remotely close.

[saysmydoctor]

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If encouraging secession isn't promoting rebellion.............fuck what is?

[GeeBee]

just curious, what kind of rebellion was Beck promoting?

Dude, youtube his whole "9/12 project" speeches. His whole "we surround them" nonsense.

The guy simply panders to the paranoid and delusional, and laughs his way to the bank as he does it.
Same with any other talking head, leftie or righty. Get real.

[loveisdead]

i wouldn't say that is something that is promoting terrorist activity or anything remotely close.
Like I said, not the best example. We were discussing promoting the idea of rebellion and what he talked about in that segment was followed by him saying Texas will be the one to start it. Not sure if that was after the Texas governor mentioning secession but if it was then that sounds awfully rebellious.

[GeeBee]

actually my roommate listens to him on the radio everyday. so i have, and i'm still not convinced by your argument

The radio show is only a small part of his career and message, so you're missing lots of info on the subject.

[loveisdead]

Holy shit@ that video of him talking about secession.

[ImTheSheriff]

The radio show is only a small part of his career and message, so you're missing lots of info on the subject.

i actually know alot. my roommate watches his show and tells me everything that glenn beck thinks. i just don't think he is any worse than any other political tv show host.

[saysmydoctor]

i actually know alot. my roommate watches his show and tells me everything that glenn beck thinks. i just don't think he is any worse than any other political tv show host.
The man makes a living attempting to scare the shit out of the American public and encouraging secession and revolt against a so-called fascist agenda. He has claimed on nation television that Europe has fallen to socialism (that could be Hannity, I get the mouthpieces mixed up sometimes). Watch the videos, don't listen to your roommate.

[KenjiBeast]

That 9/12 project has got to be the most retarded shit I've ever heard in my entire life. the "12 Values" are so outrageously generic, they mean absolutely nothing.

As far as the "9 principles" go, it looks like Beck is taking a page out of Sean Hannity's book, and he's mixing up political doctrine with religion, entirely for the sake of himself. It's tragic that people fall for this post-9/11 charlatan.

[Justin_stacy]

I'm not denying the bias.

But MSNBC doesn't direct the news, as blatantly as Fox does:

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2003/10/30/fox_thememo.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-gilliam/fox-news-vp-john-moody-is_b_34140.html
http://www.outfoxed.org/

MSNBC is a bit more subtle but at least they even have a little editorial split with characters like Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough.


I know I don't post here much anymore, but I'm a little insulted that you would assume my opinion is so loosely held that a far left blog would have any bearing on it. Hell was the daily koo koo's server down? And Outfox has already been shown to be nothing more then a fraudulent piece of fiction that it really has no value in a current conversation. I mean really would an article by Newsbusters sway your opinion of MSNBC, or Olbermann Watch, or even better how about Malkin's blog? I don't need a partisan link to affect my opinion, unlike most here I actually have watched both and seen the effects editorializing has had on their news coverage, and in my mind there is absolutely no discernible difference between the two channels. Not one.

As for the name's mentioned, yes Joe, the ex-Republican Congressman, has an early morning, and almost unseen show. For which he had to really lighten up on his views, compared to his previous unwatched prime time show, to get. But no one really watches these channels at that time. Prime Time is what matters and when it comes to the Prime Time hours there is little different between the two channels. With MSNBC you have Abrams (who for some reason no one seemed to like), Olberman, Maddows, and Matthew. All liberal and all voice-fully pro-Democrat. On the opposite side you O'rielly, Hannity, Susteren and Baier. All Conservative and of the political one's, very Republican. The sole difference would be Smith on Fox who I view as moderate to lightly conservative/Libertarian, but who you'd probably call conservative, so we'll throw that one out. Entertainment wise they're pretty par with each other in terms of Hosts and style.

As for Buchanan, a man I personally love and have studied (I know you're shocked), he is nothing but a hired consultant. Fox has hired consultants too. Both Liberal and Democratic ones. Juan Williams is normally on at least one show a day. So I'm not sure how that exactly makes MSNBC different/better? Something to add about Buchanan, while being 'conservative' and a 'traditionalist' he's all ferociously anti-GOP something Zucker demands of his channel and its on-air personalities. So Buchanan while being form a different political perspective doesn't exactly stray totally from the coral.

I'm sorry I just don't see the differences...? What I do see is Liberal's finally getting their own "FOX" and doing everything in their power to protect it from all the attacks they've been lobbing at FoxNews for years, even though its clear guilty of many. That's what I see. And there's nothing wrong with that, its just annoying.

[Love As Arson]

He is a Mormon, so irrationality and fear of progress are a given. As for MSNBC vs. Fox, Fox is filled with individuals that are downright moronic. See: Bill O'Reilly's culture war segment. Rachel Maddow, while liberal, at least engages in intelligent dialogue.

[Ishbalan]

Glenn Beck is like the Michael Jackson of the Republicans, and just as modest.

[thesafeword]

There is so much wrong with this man and while Olberman isn't perfect, he also isn't fucking crazy.

[GeeBee]

He is a Mormon, so irrationality and fear of progress are a given. As for MSNBC vs. Fox, Fox is filled with individuals that are downright moronic. See: Bill O'Reilly's culture war segment. Rachel Maddow, while liberal, at least engages in intelligent dialogue.

I agree wholeheartedly. You'd be surprised, however, at how many Mormons are afraid to even claim this nutjob as their own.

[x togepi x]

I know I don't post here much anymore, but I'm a little insulted that you would assume my opinion is so loosely held that a far left blog would have any bearing on it. Hell was the daily koo koo's server down? And Outfox has already been shown to be nothing more then a fraudulent piece of fiction that it really has no value in a current conversation. I mean really would an article by Newsbusters sway your opinion of MSNBC, or Olbermann Watch, or even better how about Malkin's blog? I don't need a partisan link to affect my opinion, unlike most here I actually have watched both and seen the effects editorializing has had on their news coverage, and in my mind there is absolutely no discernible difference between the two channels. Not one.

As for the name's mentioned, yes Joe, the ex-Republican Congressman, has an early morning, and almost unseen show. For which he had to really lighten up on his views, compared to his previous unwatched prime time show, to get. But no one really watches these channels at that time. Prime Time is what matters and when it comes to the Prime Time hours there is little different between the two channels. With MSNBC you have Abrams (who for some reason no one seemed to like), Olberman, Maddows, and Matthew. All liberal and all voice-fully pro-Democrat. On the opposite side you O'rielly, Hannity, Susteren and Baier. All Conservative and of the political one's, very Republican. The sole difference would be Smith on Fox who I view as moderate to lightly conservative/Libertarian, but who you'd probably call conservative, so we'll throw that one out. Entertainment wise they're pretty par with each other in terms of Hosts and style.

As for Buchanan, a man I personally love and have studied (I know you're shocked), he is nothing but a hired consultant. Fox has hired consultants too. Both Liberal and Democratic ones. Juan Williams is normally on at least one show a day. So I'm not sure how that exactly makes MSNBC different/better? Something to add about Buchanan, while being 'conservative' and a 'traditionalist' he's all ferociously anti-GOP something Zucker demands of his channel and its on-air personalities. So Buchanan while being form a different political perspective doesn't exactly stray totally from the coral.

I'm sorry I just don't see the differences...? What I do see is Liberal's finally getting their own "FOX" and doing everything in their power to protect it from all the attacks they've been lobbing at FoxNews for years, even though its clear guilty of many. That's what I see. And there's nothing wrong with that, its just annoying.

i've never seen anyone get their mic cut on msnbc, but i've seen that happen plenty of times on fox. meh.

[Justin_stacy]

i've never seen anyone get their mic cut on msnbc, but i've seen that happen plenty of times on fox. meh.

when you pander to the host it ain't really needed, I guess...? Looking at it from a different point rarely does Maddow, and the few times I've been unfortunate enough to have to sit through Olberman, have they had people on that challenge them, not to say that I condone cutting mics unless its absolutely necessary, but when you only have guests on that merely support your opinion there's little opportunity for a clash. Plus the whole mic things an exageration and I serious doubt you've actually seen it done, but rather read about it some questionable outside source.

[GeeBee]

when you pander to the host it ain't really needed, I guess...?

What about when the host panders to the uneducated, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, paranoid demographics? Does that count?

[Justin_stacy]

And the ignorance begins. Pity.

All this basically proves the final part of my comment, I guess I feel rewarded in away....

[saysmydoctor]

when you pander to the host it ain't really needed, I guess...? Looking at it from a different point rarely does Maddow, and the few times I've been unfortunate enough to have to sit through Olberman, have they had people on that challenge them, not to say that I condone cutting mics unless its absolutely necessary, but when you only have guests on that merely support your opinion there's little opportunity for a clash. Plus the whole mic things an exageration and I serious doubt you've actually seen it done, but rather read about it some questionable outside source.
Maddow has Buchanan on her show all the time to counter the arguments she has presented on the day's news. Isn't part of her setup?

[Justin_stacy]

Maddow has Buchanan on her show all the time to counter the arguments she has presented on the day's news. Isn't part of her setup?

Buchanan a company man, not a 'guest'. But ok, now show me where a Liberal employee of FOX has had the mic cut on them on air.

oh' ya and apologies for the longness of the thing earlier its been awhile since I've talked about anything political and I went a little overboard.

[brenByah]

Afraid of Glenn Beck? Give me a break. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but he makes jokes about everyone claiming he's crazy. Olberman, Maher, O'reilly, Beck, they're all nothing more than talking heads and if you take their words for anything more than their opinion you probably shouldn't watch television.

[brenByah]

He is a Mormon, so irrationality and fear of progress are a given. As for MSNBC vs. Fox, Fox is filled with individuals that are downright moronic. See: Bill O'Reilly's culture war segment. Rachel Maddow, while liberal, at least engages in intelligent dialogue.

Most must disagree, because when it comes to ratings FOX absolutely smashes MSNBC.

[GeeBee]

And the ignorance begins. Pity.

All this basically proves the final part of my comment, I guess I feel rewarded in away....

Elaborate, or just make vague closing comments?

[GeeBee]

Most must disagree, because when it comes to ratings FOX absolutely smashes MSNBC.

Again...if you put an absolute SPECTACLE on TV, no matter what it is, it will get ratings. Glenn Beck puts on his teary tirades KNOWING that such circus acts will win viewers.
Limbaugh gets huge ratings. I tune in ALL the time, just to hear what bullshit I'll hear next. I know I'm not alone.

[yves.]

Most must disagree, because when it comes to ratings FOX absolutely smashes MSNBC.

yeah, and most also voted for george bush twice.

[captainhampton]

What about when the host panders to the uneducated, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, paranoid demographics? Does that count?

you are quite correct. almost. you forgot fascist.

[captainhampton]

He is a Mormon, so irrationality and fear of progress are a given.

if someone said the same thing and replaced the word Mormon with Muslim, people would be flipping a shit. but since it's cool to spew Mormon hatred, this will pass as intelligent.

[GeeBee]

if someone said the same thing and replaced the word Mormon with Muslim, people would be flipping a shit. but since it's cool to spew Mormon hatred, this will pass as intelligent.

Just like mormons don't "hate the sinner", they "hate the sin",
No one is "spewing Mormon hatred", they're just "hating the Mormonism".

Irrational belief is irrational belief. I don't care which flavor you prefer. Call that hate if you want to.

In addition, for a religious organization that has spent the amount of time, money, resources, and effort to ensure that gays are second-class citizens, I don't grant them any sympathy for any hate that comes their way.

[SlappedActor]

if someone said the same thing and replaced the word Mormon with Muslim, people would be flipping a shit. but since it's cool to spew Mormon hatred, this will pass as intelligent.

Very true. The double-standards on this site are ridiculous.

(I'm not Mormon, and have no vested interest in their social standing.)

[GeeBee]

Very true. The double-standards on this site are ridiculous.

(I'm not Mormon, and have no vested interest in their social standing.)

The double standards are thanks to the rampant political correctness. I for one see nothing wrong in pointing out the irrationality of the Muslim, Jewish, Scientologist, or any other religious school of thought. I hardly see what that has to do with "hate".
What peeves me is that for some reason, religion gets some special pass that exempts it from critique or discussion.

[SlappedActor]

The double standards are thanks to the rampant political correctness. I for one see nothing wrong in pointing out the irrationality of the Muslim, Jewish, Scientologist, or any other religious school of thought. I hardly see what that has to do with "hate".
What peeves me is that for some reason, religion gets some special pass that exempts it from critique or discussion.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, please don't put words in my mouth.

None of that changes the fact that if Love As Arson had said "He is a Muslim, so irrationality and fear of progress are a given," there would have been an absolute shitstorm of criticism and controversy from most of the users on this site.

[brenByah]

My point is, to think of Beck as a threat and to get all bent out of shape over his show and the things he says are ridiculous. When you watch O'reilly, Maher, Hannity, Olberman etc. You should know that you're watching people spew their opinions, don't take it as truth. Each is bound to offend someone on the other side of the fence, that's why they're on the air. Beck's no worse than any of the others.

[GeeBee]

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, please don't put words in my mouth.

None of that changes the fact that if Love As Arson had said "He is a Muslim, so irrationality and fear of progress are a given," there would have been an absolute shitstorm of criticism and controversy from most of the users on this site.

No worries, I definitely wasn't under the impression that you disagreed :ok:

I hear you, and concur. Sad state of affairs. To me it's no different than stating "He is a Brokencyde fan, so poor taste in music is a given." That's not hatred, it's a true difference of personal opinion or preference.

[GeeBee]

My point is, to think of Beck as a threat and to get all bent out of shape over his show and the things he says are ridiculous. When you watch O'reilly, Maher, Hannity, Olberman etc. You should know that you're watching people spew their opinions, don't take it as truth. Each is bound to offend someone on the other side of the fence, that's why they're on the air. Beck's no worse than any of the others.

While I find the others easier to look at, funnier at times (Maher), and agree with some (olbermann), I concur completely with what you've said. It's fine if they want to be propagandists, but just come out and admit to it, and stop pretending you're doing America a favor.

[SlappedActor]

No worries, I definitely wasn't under the impression that you disagreed :ok:

I hear you, and concur. Sad state of affairs. To me it's no different than stating "He is a Brokencyde fan, so poor taste in music is a given." That's not hatred, it's a true difference of personal opinion or preference.

Cool, I gotcha.

[mmmmmpoetry]

I'm not denying the bias.

But MSNBC doesn't direct the news, as blatantly as Fox does:

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2003/10/30/fox_thememo.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-gilliam/fox-news-vp-john-moody-is_b_34140.html
http://www.outfoxed.org/

MSNBC is a bit more subtle but at least they even have a little editorial split with characters like Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough.

I loved outfoxed.
Watched it last year in AP government and thought it was hillarious.

[brenByah]

MSNBC and Fox can both be guilty of directing the news simply by what they choose to report and what they don't.

[NickLopez]

I think it's kind of silly to debate the merits of any television media.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm not going to get into an argument over it either because I've not once said MSNBC isn't biased.

There is however a definite difference between MSNBC and Fox at a corporate level.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

ya these are the ramblings of a rational man:

Beck compared Gore's global warming "lie[s]" to "Goebbels or Hitler" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904240014)

Beck imitates Obama pouring gasoline on "average American"; says: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the Republic" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904090036)

Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires "going after the blood of our businesses," suggests "driv a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200903300040)

Beck falsely asserted that U.S. does not fingerprint foreign visitors or collect rapists' DNA (http://mediamatters.org/items/200903170031)

Beck: "You know what this president is doing right now? He is addicting this country to heroin -- the heroin that is government slavery." (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902110028)

Glenn Beck mocks Obama's aunt's "limp" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904020038)

Beck on [I]O'Reilly Factor: "We are really truly stepping beyond socialism and starting to look at fascism"; compares proposals to Nazi Germany (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902060027)

Beck: "This is what's coming, America: Depression and revolution" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902130025)

Beck: "You can't convince me that the founding fathers wouldn't allow you to secede" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200904140032)

[Love As Arson]

if someone said the same thing and replaced the word Mormon with Muslim, people would be flipping a shit. but since it's cool to spew Mormon hatred, this will pass as intelligent.
It isn't Mormon hatred, it is a reference to the condition of conservative religious belief.

[saysmydoctor]

ya these are the ramblings of a rational man:

Beck compared Gore's global warming "lie[s]" to "Goebbels or Hitler" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904240014)

Beck imitates Obama pouring gasoline on "average American"; says: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the Republic" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904090036)

Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires "going after the blood of our businesses," suggests "driv a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200903300040)

Beck falsely asserted that U.S. does not fingerprint foreign visitors or collect rapists' DNA (http://mediamatters.org/items/200903170031)

Beck: "You know what this president is doing right now? He is addicting this country to heroin -- the heroin that is government slavery." (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902110028)

Glenn Beck mocks Obama's aunt's "limp" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904020038)

Beck on [I]O'Reilly Factor: "We are really truly stepping beyond socialism and starting to look at fascism"; compares proposals to Nazi Germany (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902060027)

Beck: "This is what's coming, America: Depression and revolution" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902130025)

Beck: "You can't convince me that the founding fathers wouldn't allow you to secede" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200904140032)
Cue people questioning the source (Media Matters) rather than the material presented.

[SlappedActor]

It isn't Mormon hatred, it is a reference to the condition of conservative religious belief.

You'd be a great politician.

[GeeBee]

You'd be a great politician.

And you'd make a lousy argument against what he said.

[xshady121]

ya these are the ramblings of a rational man:

Beck compared Gore's global warming "lie[s]" to "Goebbels or Hitler" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904240014)

Beck imitates Obama pouring gasoline on "average American"; says: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the Republic" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904090036)

Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires "going after the blood of our businesses," suggests "driv a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200903300040)

Beck falsely asserted that U.S. does not fingerprint foreign visitors or collect rapists' DNA (http://mediamatters.org/items/200903170031)

Beck: "You know what this president is doing right now? He is addicting this country to heroin -- the heroin that is government slavery." (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902110028)

Glenn Beck mocks Obama's aunt's "limp" (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904020038)

Beck on [I]O'Reilly Factor: "We are really truly stepping beyond socialism and starting to look at fascism"; compares proposals to Nazi Germany (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902060027)

Beck: "This is what's coming, America: Depression and revolution" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200902130025)

Beck: "You can't convince me that the founding fathers wouldn't allow you to secede" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200904140032)
Cue people questioning the source (Media Matters) rather than the material presented.

If your just going to link to leftist organizations, why not just link to a huffpo commentary instead of presenting a website masquerading as a fact check site?

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

:violin:

same old song

[Mercy Medical]

Glenn Back is the political equivalent of those evangelical pastors that have their own TV shows. Their delivery of their "message" is exactly the same.

[saysmydoctor]

If your just going to link to leftist organizations, why not just link to a huffpo commentary instead of presenting a website masquerading as a fact check site?
Why can't you just argue the information they are providing?

[xshady121]

Why can't you just argue the information they are providing?

Because I hate glen beck almost as much as you guys.

[SlappedActor]

And you'd make a lousy argument against what he said.

The difference between his first and second statement is night and day. It's so self-evident I don't feel the need to argue about it with people whose opinions I don't care about. But I'm sure he's glad he has you here to protect him.

[Justin_stacy]

Cue people questioning the source (Media Matters) rather than the material presented.

You should always question matterial that comes from a highly questionable sources. I guess its too bad the video's don't work.

[saysmydoctor]

Because I hate glen beck almost as much as you guys.
Ok.
You should always question matterial that comes from a highly questionable sources. I guess its too bad the video's don't work.
But you aren't questioning the material. You are questioning the source.

[brenByah]

Beck's a comedian, he hypes a lot of things up simply to make light of them. He's no more a threat than Olberman, Hannity or anyone else. If you don't like what he's saying turn the channel. Problem solved.

[saysmydoctor]

Beck's a comedian, he hypes a lot of things up simply to make light of them. He's no more a threat than Olberman, Hannity or anyone else. If you don't like what he's saying turn the channel. Problem solved.
Dumb comment. Any pundit has an effect on the public when they say outlandish things. Olbermann has never encouraged a revolution or secession, however. He has simply shown his disgust with the 'conservative' movement and the GOP every night. There are a lot of things wrong with Olbermann (how he can incredibly disrespectful at points in his broadcast). But Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are at a totally different level.

I think the 9/12 project and the tea parties are prime examples of misconstruing the facts.

[Justin_stacy]

Ok.

But you aren't questioning the material. You are questioning the source.

I can't watch the videos, so I can't really comment on them directly, but given the title I'm sure I'd just love'em. The source, however, is a far-left so-called 'media watchdog' so right off the bat it breeds suspicion.

Correction, reading over the beautiful titles, I will say I've seen/read about the first one before and there is truth in what he's saying. He's using an exaggeration and humor (which is his style) to make a valid point about Mr Gore's fearmongering antics. So something tells me that if that's the type of stuff being used here as an argument, chance are I'm not gonna see much weight in them.

If you go through any on air personalities stuff, particularly one that's on air everyday you can find stuff that's questionable to someone. There's sites out there that have a host of stupid shit from Kieth.

[IAmNietzche]

I can't watch the videos, so I can't really comment on them directly, but given the title I'm sure I'd just love'em. The source, however, is a far-left so-called 'media watchdog' so right off the bat it breeds suspicion.

Correction, reading over the beautiful titles, I will say I've seen/read about the first one before and there is truth in what he's saying. He's using an exaggeration and humor (which is his style) to make a valid point about Mr Gore's fearmongering antics. So something tells me that if that's the type of stuff being used as an argument, chance are I'm not gonna see much weight in them.
It's fine for Jon Stewart (I know, liberal), or any comedian to make the equation of Gore and Hitler, but for someone who is supposed to be running a legitimate news program to do that is irresponsible and dangerous.

In terms of comparing him to Keith, it really does nothing for me personally since I can't stand him. However, having watched both shows numerous times, there is much more intelligent commentary in Olberman's show in between the outrageous partisanship, then there is in Beck's.

[Justin_stacy]

It's fine for Jon Stewart (I know, liberal), or any comedian to make the equation of Gore and Hitler, but for someone who is supposed to be running a legitimate news program to do that is irresponsible and dangerous.

i don't necassarily agree, given how dangerous Gore and the Political-eco movement is, but fair enough.

[IAmNietzche]

i don't necassarily agree, given how dangerous Gore and the Political-eco movement is, but fair enough.
Regardless of whether you agree with his message, the point is that the rhetoric is dangerous. I could care less if this guy was on a local news channel at 2:00AM spouting this stuff, but when his voice reaches millions, some not very educated or already militantly partisan, it scares me to think what his influence could do.

[saysmydoctor]

I can't watch the videos, so I can't really comment on them directly, but given the title I'm sure I'd just love'em. The source, however, is a far-left so-called 'media watchdog' so right off the bat it breeds suspicion.
A source is a source. It's nothing but a place where the information is located. The information is what you should be suspicious of.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I can't watch the videos, so I can't really comment on them directly, but given the title I'm sure I'd just love'em. The source, however, is a far-left so-called 'media watchdog' so right off the bat it breeds suspicion.

Correction, reading over the beautiful titles, I will say I've seen/read about the first one before and there is truth in what he's saying. He's using an exaggeration and humor (which is his style) to make a valid point about Mr Gore's fearmongering antics. So something tells me that if that's the type of stuff being used here as an argument, chance are I'm not gonna see much weight in them.

If you go through any on air personalities stuff, particularly one that's on air everyday you can find stuff that's questionable to someone. There's sites out there that have a host of stupid shit from Kieth.

i don't necassarily agree, given how dangerous Gore and the Political-eco movement is, but fair enough.

wait, what?

are you seriously denying global warming?

[Justin_stacy]

Regardless of whether you agree with his message, the point is that the rhetoric is dangerous. I could care less if this guy was on a local news channel at 2:00AM spouting this stuff, but when his voice reaches millions, some not very educated or already militantly partisan, it scares me to think what his influence could do.

Again I don't agree, but I see what you're saying.

I don't necassarily think its wrong to put extremism into a perspective or frame work that people can understand or relate to. You're scared fine, but I also think the people should be scared of what's going on under their nose without knowledge of it. I don't want to get into a eco-battle, but few people truly understand this dangerous 'movement' and if Beck or anyone else for that matter has to use another known extreme to get the point across......I don't really have a problem with it, if I'm being honest. It would be nice to not have to go to that level, but the topic is one that has not been given balance coverage.

Alot of what's going on in this country scares me, and the fact that its hidden or distorted from the people is far scary then Glem Beck.

[Justin_stacy]

A source is a source. It's nothing but a place where the information is located. The information is what you should be suspicious of.

A source is not just a source. And information can be distorted, manipulated, chopped, and perspectives can be changed. The source is as much, or more, important as the information being reviewed.

[IAmNietzche]

I am as flabberghasted as others when I hear someone say global warming is a lie. However, I'll admit that I don't know the argument from that side. I looked around and this is supposed to be a good video for that perspective (if you have an hour to kill). I'm watching/listening now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4302904746669786959 &q=global+warming+swindle&total=405&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

EDIT: Video is down, but here is a link to a summary http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm

[saysmydoctor]

No, a source is just a source. If the sources distorts the information, then yes, the information from the source isn't valuable because it is false. MediaMatters may have their own opinion on the matter, but the information they provide isn't really distorted. Stop trying to discredit the source by saying it's leftist, and discredit the source by saying the information they are giving is false or twisted.

[Justin_stacy]

I am as flabberghasted as others when I hear someone say global warming is a lie. However, I'll admit that I don't know the argument from that side. I looked around and this is supposed to be a good video for that perspective (if you have an hour to kill). I'm watching/listening now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4302904746669786959 &q=global+warming+swindle&total=405&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

I'm just as 'flabberghasted,' if you will, with the reverse given all we know...but that's another topic not worth talking on a site like this.


Again my only point was that these on air personalities and the networks that host them are all alike, one in the same. One man's satan is another's savior, it all just depends on on what perspective you come from, since we don't have unbias media in this country.

[Adeniz19]

wait, what?

are you seriously denying global warming?carbon dioxide is not harmful because it's a natural gas!

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

carbon dioxide is not harmful because it's a natural gas!

right! we breath it out and cows poop it! its all natural!

[xshady121]

wait, what?

are you seriously denying global warming?

Wait, someone else here is denying global warming too?

[Mercy Medical]

wait, what?

are you seriously denying global warming?
You would have to be kidding yourself to not realize that the left often uses fear mongering the same way the right does.

That's not to say one denies global warming so much as it is to say that it's over exaggerated a bit (poor use of words, but I hope you get what I'm saying).

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Wait, someone else here is denying global warming too?

my fellow kansasn is.

do you not beleive in global warming too?

[xshady121]

my fellow kansasn is.

do you not beleive in global warming too?

It's the lefts form of fear mongering.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

You would have to be kidding yourself to not realize that the left often uses fear mongering the same way the right does.

That's not to say one denies global warming so much as it is to say that it's over exaggerated a bit (poor use of words, but I hope you get what I'm saying).

I never said anything about fear mongering.

I inferred from his negative stance towrads Al Gore that he is a global warming denier, so i asked him if that was true.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

It's the lefts form of fear mongering.

so yes?

kinda like terrorism is the right's form of fear mongering?

[xshady121]

I never said anything about fear mongering.

I inferred from his negative stance towrads Al Gore that he is a global warming denier, so i asked him if that was true.

Al Gore exagerated many points in his movie, purely to bring fear in the viewers. When it's done under the pretense of being truth, that's the definition of fear mongering.

[xshady121]

so yes?

kinda like terrorism is the right's form of fear mongering?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Mercy Medical]

I never said anything about fear mongering.

I inferred from his negative stance towrads Al Gore that he is a global warming denier, so i asked him if that was true.
I know, but he used the term "fear mongering" which seemed to instantly lead you to believe that he might deny global warming.

I think anyone who would completely deny the existence of some level of global warming or "climate change" as the new PC term goes would be a total and absolute idiot, but I believe the left blows it out of proportion and it is essentially an example of leftist fear mongering.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Al Gore exagerated many points in his movie, purely to bring fear in the viewers. When it's done under the pretense of being truth, that's the definition of fear mongering.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I never said ANYTHING about Gore.

All I asked is if you beleive in global warming or not?

Both of you have refused to answer the question .

[Adeniz19]

there are extremists on any issue, doesn't mean that global warming doesn't exist.

[SlappedActor]

I know, but he used the term "fear mongering" which seemed to instantly lead you to believe that he might deny global warming.

I think anyone who would completely deny the existence of some level of global warming or "climate change" as the new PC term goes would be a total and absolute idiot, but I believe the left blows it out of proportion and it is essentially an example of leftist fear mongering.

Agreed.

[Mercy Medical]

I never said ANYTHING about Gore.

All I asked is if you beleive in global warming or not?

Both of you have refused to answer the question .
I don't see how it's so difficult to understand why Al Gore is bring brought in since the OP used that as his example...

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I don't see how it's so difficult to understand why Al Gore is bring brought in since the OP used that as his example...

I'm not inquiring about Al Gore.

Again. they took a negative stanse against him and his messege and all I have asked is if they beleive in global warming or not.

how hard is that to understand?

[Adeniz19]

i just want to know how the "political eco-movement" is dangerous

[xshady121]

I'm not inquiring about Al Gore.

Again. they took a negative stanse against him and his messege and all I have asked is if they beleive in global warming or not.

how hard is that to understand?

You really can't seperate the two, when the defining peice of evidence, especially for our generation, has been his "An Incovienant Truth". And when that has been proven to be filled with gross exagerations, it is obvious why some people doubt the whole green movement that has really only taken off since the films release.

[IAmNietzche]

I'm not inquiring about Al Gore.

Again. they took a negative stanse against him and his messege and all I have asked is if they beleive in global warming or not.

how hard is that to understand?
There are in fact people that do not believe in global warming. I think your real question should be, why don't they believe in it. Here is an answer...

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm

[Mercy Medical]

Well, you could think about the fact that our movement towards more eco-friendly fuels is essentially making people in 3rd world countries die of starvation because we are increasing the price of corn because we don't use it to eat, we use it to burn.

[IAmNietzche]

Well, you could think about the fact that our movement towards more eco-friendly fuels is essentially making people in 3rd world countries die of starvation because we are increasing the price of corn because we don't use it to eat, we use it to burn.
Ethanol fuel is as much a reaction to a lack of oil resources as it is a reaction to global warming.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

There are in fact people that do not believe in global warming. I think your real question should be, why don't they believe in it. Here is an answer...

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm

Thank you for providing the opposite view point. I will check this out.

I'm just what to know whay they beleive. I dont want to argue with them I just want to know. I'm not trying to inslut them I'm just asking where they stand on a particular issue. thats all.

[Adeniz19]

Well, you could think about the fact that our movement towards more eco-friendly fuels is essentially making people in 3rd world countries die of starvation because we are increasing the price of corn because we don't use it to eat, we use it to burn.but what happens if we run out of oil and we have no alternative?

i also don't get the argument that well, the earth is warming up on it's own and has nothing to do with human pollution, so it doesnt matter if we change our ways. it's almost equivalent to a smoker saying he's going to die eventually, so he might as well smoke 3 packs a day and enjoy the ride.

[IAmNietzche]

I do agree that the current "Green Movement" is much too chic and minute to make a difference. I believe that true climate change will be difficult and will have to be a burden on the people in order to make a real change.

[Mercy Medical]

Ethanol fuel is as much a reaction to a lack of oil resources as it is a reaction to global warming.
I'm just saying that our actions to improve our way of life and have a positive impact on our country is proving to have a negative impact on others.

I'm not here to say we shouldn't look for alternative fuels or reduce emissions or any of that, I'm all for those sorts of things...

I suppose it just sort of goes along with for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.

[Mercy Medical]

Thank you for providing the opposite view point. I will check this out.

I'm just what to know whay they beleive. I dont want to argue with them I just want to know. I'm not trying to inslut them I'm just asking where they stand on a particular issue. thats all.I'm sorry, but I cannot let you get away with a comment like that when you go and make a comment like this in the general thread...

its always fun to find out some people dont beleive in global warming :crazy:

[IAmNietzche]

but what happens if we run out of oil and we have no alternative?

i also don't get the argument that well, the earth is warming up on it's own and has nothing to do with human pollution, so it doesnt matter if we change our ways. it's almost equivalent to a smoker saying he's going to die eventually, so he might as well smoke 3 packs a day and enjoy the ride.
"The current warming is likely part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that’s been traced back almost a million years."

"There is no proof that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from human activity. Ice core records from the past 650,000 years show that temperature increases have preceded—not resulted from—increases in CO2 by hundreds of years, suggesting that the warming of the oceans is an important source of the rise in atmospheric CO2."

[Mercy Medical]

but what happens if we run out of oil and we have no alternative?

i also don't get the argument that well, the earth is warming up on it's own and has nothing to do with human pollution, so it doesnt matter if we change our ways. it's almost equivalent to a smoker saying he's going to die eventually, so he might as well smoke 3 packs a day and enjoy the ride.
I have no idea what happens. I'm not here saying I have any good solutions, but just that our actions impact other nations in a negative manner. That's not to say that we should stop or continue or whatever, but we need to take those sort of things into account and that a lot of people in this country do not know what our movement towards a more green and environmentally friendly country has negative impacts on other countries. I'm of the mindset that we need to somehow find a solution in the middle, but unfortunately I don't have any. It's a shitty situation for all parties involved because essentially we're damned if we do or we're damned if we don't.

I'm of the mindset that the earth would have it's own sort of climate change with or without us as it has gone through numerous changes of the billions of years of it's existence. We're more or less speeding up the process, but if we weren't, I believe it would happen eventually anyway. That's not to say that we should say fuck it all and not do anything. I think we should be more green with or without the looming fear of climate change. I wish people would just be more honest about it instead of often building it up and using fear tactics to scare people.

[Adeniz19]

"The current warming is likely part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that’s been traced back almost a million years."

"There is no proof that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from human activity. Ice core records from the past 650,000 years show that temperature increases have preceded—not resulted from—increases in CO2 by hundreds of years, suggesting that the warming of the oceans is an important source of the rise in atmospheric CO2."haha right, i'm going to burn a pile of tires now.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I'm sorry, but I cannot let you get away with a comment like that when you go and make a comment like this in the general thread...

look I am not trying to judge them or insult them or even argue with them.

I just asked them to provide their stance on a particular issue.

and yes maybe I should not have came in this thread and whined that is my bad.

why are you getting so fired up about this?

What is your problem with me?

EDIT : Kara this is dumb . PM if you want to talk about this more otherwise I'm done

[IAmNietzche]

Alright alright, arguments are inevitable but when they spill over to two different threads we have to draw a line. Let's be easy. It's my fault for bringing up global warming in this thread, it isn't the place for it.

[Adeniz19]

I have no idea what happens. I'm not here saying I have any good solutions, but just that our actions impact other nations in a negative manner. That's not to say that we should stop or continue or whatever, but we need to take those sort of things into account and that a lot of people in this country do not know what our movement towards a more green and environmentally friendly country has negative impacts on other countries. I'm of the mindset that we need to somehow find a solution in the middle, but unfortunately I don't have any. It's a shitty situation for all parties involved because essentially we're damned if we do or we're damned if we don't.

I'm of the mindset that the earth would have it's own sort of climate change with or without us as it has gone through numerous changes of the billions of years of it's existence. We're more or less speeding up the process, but if we weren't, I believe it would happen eventually anyway. That's not to say that we should say fuck it all and not do anything. I think we should be more green with or without the looming fear of climate change. I wish people would just be more honest about it instead of often building it up and using fear tactics to scare people.
i agree that it's a shitty situation for the 3rd world nations that depend on the oil for income, but if you look at the alternative, that continuing down our path could speed up harming the entire world, then it's sort of a necessary sacrifice

[J.C.]

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/42109cb.jpg

[Mercy Medical]

i agree that it's a shitty situation for the 3rd world nations that depend on the oil for income, but if you look at the alternative, that continuing down our path could speed up harming the entire world, then it's sort of a necessary sacrifice
Oh, I'm not talking about the nations that rely on oil for income. I mean, obviously if we stop buying their oil, that's a large portion of the money bring in, but I'm more concerned about the 3rd world countries that depend on corn for food. I read an article in Death & Taxes (I think that's what it was) regarding the negative impact our green movement is having on other countries. One of the large issues was obviously corn, which I've already brought up, but I'll have to go back and read the article again and see what other problems we're causing.

I mean, if you look at it, either way we're harming a good portion of the world. I just think that with all our brain power we could come up with something that would be a better option then what we have now. I'm not saying we should stop our path towards a greener country, but I'm saying that we need to continue to research and find viable options that wouldn't have a negative impact.

[IAmNietzche]

Oh, I'm not talking about the nations that rely on oil for income. I mean, obviously if we stop buying their oil, that's a large portion of the money bring in, but I'm more concerned about the 3rd world countries that depend on corn for food. I read an article in Death & Taxes (I think that's what it was) regarding the negative impact our green movement is having on other countries. One of the large issues was obviously corn, which I've already brought up, but I'll have to go back and read the article again and see what other problems we're causing.

I mean, if you look at it, either way we're harming a good portion of the world. I just think that with all our brain power we could come up with something that would be a better option then what we have now. I'm not saying we should stop our path towards a greener country, but I'm saying that we need to continue to research and find viable options that wouldn't have a negative impact.
Electricity, fuel cells, hybrids. Remember, you chose ethanol as an example.

[Mercy Medical]

What is your problem with me?

EDIT : Kara this is dumb . PM if you want to talk about this more otherwise I'm done
I told you in the other thread what my issue was.

[Mercy Medical]

Electricity, fuel cells, hybrids. Remember, you chose ethanol as an example.
Oh, I know there are other options. I'm just saying that some of our methods are having a negative impact and that we shouldn't ignore that issue.

All I am saying is that we just need to be aware of the impact our actions have on other countries. Yes, we need to look out for our own, but we're one of the world powers which makes me feel as though we have somewhat of a responsibility for lesser nations as well.

[Adeniz19]

Oh, I'm not talking about the nations that rely on oil for income. I mean, obviously if we stop buying their oil, that's a large portion of the money bring in, but I'm more concerned about the 3rd world countries that depend on corn for food. I read an article in Death & Taxes (I think that's what it was) regarding the negative impact our green movement is having on other countries. One of the large issues was obviously corn, which I've already brought up, but I'll have to go back and read the article again and see what other problems we're causing.

I mean, if you look at it, either way we're harming a good portion of the world. I just think that with all our brain power we could come up with something that would be a better option then what we have now. I'm not saying we should stop our path towards a greener country, but I'm saying that we need to continue to research and find viable options that wouldn't have a negative impact.i think once they figure out how to make the batteries on electric cars more efficient/practical, then that's the route we will go

[Mercy Medical]

i think once they figure out how to make the batteries on electric cars more efficient/practical, then that's the route we will go
Apparently some people just showed a H3 that gets 100 mph at an SAE show recently.

From my understanding, the most difficult aspect of the electric cars is the fact that stuff like A/C eats up so much of the energy. We've had some SBIR (small business innovation research) topics come through my company from the DOE requesting research in those type of areas.

[mmmmmpoetry]

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[open mind]

i think once they figure out how to make the batteries on electric cars more efficient/practical, then that's the route we will go

with models like the ev1 the efficient and practical electric car has long been figured out.

[Adeniz19]

with models like the ev1 the efficient and practical electric car has long been figured out.well i guess what i meant by practical is the price of the technology, which still not everyone can afford. even the new chevy volt is going to be priced around 40K. but, you do have hybrids like the Honda Insight, that are become more affordable.

[afterthefact]

I haven't read all of these post, so excuse me if I'm being repetitive.

Glenn Beck IS scary. I saw him on the O'Reilly Factor (who, by the way, is not NEAR as bad as people make him out to be; many times he is very un-biased) and Beck sounded like the biggest alarmist I had ever heard. He was talking about how France had the president of some Middle-Eastern country at their New Year's bash (or something like that) and how we should all be scared of this as Americans and how we can't trust anybody, and how this shows that the French may be planning something against us as well, and all of this other crap. O'Reilly actually tore into him a little bit and sort of made him look stupid, not that it was hard to do. :)

[captainhampton]

I am as flabberghasted as others when I hear someone say global warming is a lie. However, I'll admit that I don't know the argument from that side. I looked around and this is supposed to be a good video for that perspective (if you have an hour to kill). I'm watching/listening now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4302904746669786959 &q=global+warming+swindle&total=405&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

EDIT: Video is down, but here is a link to a summary http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm

here is the argument from the other side. it's not saying that global warming is a lie, but more on the case against man-made global warming.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9

[brenByah]

Dumb comment. Any pundit has an effect on the public when they say outlandish things. Olbermann has never encouraged a revolution or secession, however. He has simply shown his disgust with the 'conservative' movement and the GOP every night. There are a lot of things wrong with Olbermann (how he can incredibly disrespectful at points in his broadcast). But Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are at a totally different level.

I think the 9/12 project and the tea parties are prime examples of misconstruing the facts.

Any pundit's effect on the public is minimal, most people that frequently watch certain pundits watch them because they share the same view, except for the handful with opposing views that which simply so they have something to complain about. Beck isn't encouraging a revolution or secession, anyone thinking so is out of their mind. Hannity and Beck at a totally different level? Give me a break. They're not on a different level, they're simply on a different side of the fence from Maher and Olbermann.

[GeeBee]

The difference between his first and second statement is night and day. It's so self-evident I don't feel the need to argue about it with people whose opinions I don't care about. But I'm sure he's glad he has you here to protect him.

...just post random insults and claim your arguments are "self-evident".
:rolleyes:

[GeeBee]

Any pundit's effect on the public is minimal, most people that frequently watch certain pundits watch them because they share the same view, except for the handful with opposing views that which simply so they have something to complain about. Beck isn't encouraging a revolution or secession, anyone thinking so is out of their mind. Hannity and Beck at a totally different level? Give me a break. They're not on a different level, they're simply on a different side of the fence from Maher and Olbermann.

Check the listenership and sponsorships for said pundits. You're wrong.

Check about a hundred youtube clips of him doing just that. You're wrong.

Basically, you're wrong.

[saysmydoctor]

Check the listenership and sponsorships for said pundits. You're wrong.

Check about a hundred youtube clips of him doing just that. You're wrong.

Basically, you're wrong.
This

[Love As Arson]

You'd be a great politician.
Would it make you feel better if I told you that it applies to most conservative religious movements? Also, do not ask me to respect a religion which has racism as one of its tenets. Any other belief would have been considered the irrational or fearful of progress if they had similar doctrines. I will not respect it a priori simply because it is considered a religion.

[brenByah]

Check the listenership and sponsorships for said pundits. You're wrong.

Check about a hundred youtube clips of him doing just that. You're wrong.

Basically, you're wrong.

I could say the same for Olbermann or Maher. For god's sake Maher and the guests on his show were trying to say that conservatives hate Obama simply because he's black. You're right Beck's forming an underground conservative union hellbent on civil war. X-) Start digging trenches and fearing for your life if you feel so inclined.

Hannity and Beck are now the voice of the opposition, whereas Olbermann and Maher were a few years before. Pundits like this will always exist on either side. To think they're starting some great divide is nonsense, they're simply voicing one side. None of these people are journalists, their pundits, and everyone should be aware of it.

Conservative, Liberal, whatever they're all just talking heads who are paid to reinforce the views of some and offend and disturb others. They've always been around and always will be, Beck's no different, and nothing to fear.

[GeeBee]

I could say the same for Olbermann or Maher. For god's sake Maher and the guests on his show were trying to say that conservatives hate Obama simply because he's black. You're right Beck's forming an underground conservative union hellbent on civil war. X-) Start digging trenches and fearing for your life if you feel so inclined.

Hannity and Beck are now the voice of the opposition, whereas Olbermann and Maher were a few years before. Pundits like this will always exist on either side. To think they're starting some great divide is nonsense, they're simply voicing one side. None of these people are journalists, their pundits, and everyone should be aware of it.

Conservative, Liberal, whatever they're all just talking heads who are paid to reinforce the views of some and offend and disturb others. They've always been around and always will be, Beck's no different, and nothing to fear.

Should be, but aren't.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say. But I still say Beck is teetering on psycho.

[GeeBee]

I could say the same for Olbermann or Maher. For god's sake Maher and the guests on his show were trying to say that conservatives hate Obama simply because he's black. You're right Beck's forming an underground conservative union hellbent on civil war. X-) Start digging trenches and fearing for your life if you feel so inclined.

Hannity and Beck are now the voice of the opposition, whereas Olbermann and Maher were a few years before. Pundits like this will always exist on either side. To think they're starting some great divide is nonsense, they're simply voicing one side. None of these people are journalists, their pundits, and everyone should be aware of it.

Conservative, Liberal, whatever they're all just talking heads who are paid to reinforce the views of some and offend and disturb others. They've always been around and always will be, Beck's no different, and nothing to fear.

And you don't think there are any conservatives at all who hate him based solely on that fact? I live near Wyoming, my friend. You should come visit if you think that claim is outlandish.

[ImTheSheriff]

wait, what?

are you seriously denying global warming?

do some research. not all scientist agree with global warming. 30 years ago people thought the earth was cooling.

[brenByah]

And you don't think there are any conservatives at all who hate him based solely on that fact? I live near Wyoming, my friend. You should come visit if you think that claim is outlandish.

I think that claim is outlandish when a whole group of people are being generalized as racists simply for having opposing views to the president. But like all of these talking heads I know not to take Maher or any of them seriously.

[J.C.]

do some research. not all scientist agree with global warming. 30 years ago people thought the earth was cooling.

30 years ago people thought disco was a good idea.

[ImTheSheriff]

30 years ago people thought disco was a good idea.

wow, what a valid fucking point, jackass. it doesn't matter though because you are all afraid of global warming and have your mind made up. i'm not denying it, i'm just saying don't believe everything you hear, go look it up for yourself.

[ImTheSheriff]

And you don't think there are any conservatives at all who hate him based solely on that fact? I live near Wyoming, my friend. You should come visit if you think that claim is outlandish.

making that claim is racist itself, you are stereotyping conservatives.

[KenjiBeast]

making that claim is racist itself, you are stereotyping conservatives.

waitwut.

..Racist?

[SlappedActor]

30 years ago people thought disco was a good idea.

Today kids think Brokencyde is a good idea.

;-)

[J.C.]

wow, what a valid fucking point, jackass. it doesn't matter though because you are all afraid of global warming and have your mind made up. i'm not denying it, i'm just saying don't believe everything you hear, go look it up for yourself.

My post was in jest, asshat.

[saysmydoctor]

making that claim is racist itself, you are stereotyping conservatives.
What?

[J.C.]

Conservatives aren't a race, Sheriff Quick Draw McGraw.

[yves.]

making that claim is racist itself, you are stereotyping conservatives.


since when does racism include political affiliation?

[panasonicyouth]

Since he invented that, apparently.

[samsara]

I hate Glenn Beck he is so arrogant.

[GeeBee]

making that claim is racist itself, you are stereotyping conservatives.

Since conservatism is a race, right?

[GeeBee]

do some research. not all scientist agree with global warming. 30 years ago people thought the earth was cooling.

Is that the extent of YOUR research? You are losing more and more credibility with each post...

[IAmNietzche]

here is the argument from the other side. it's not saying that global warming is a lie, but more on the case against man-made global warming.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9
Thanks, I'll check it out.

One thing that's puzzled me is why global warming is a partisan issue. It must be because it's major proponent is Gore.

[Mitch]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

One thing that's puzzled me is why global warming is a partisan issue. It must be because it's major proponent is Gore.

Unfortunately, I think that nearly every single issue that arises these days becomes a "partisan issue."