Bring up Hitler Again

[BrandNewRock05]

Quoted from Biography.com
President Hindenburg on Jan. 30, 1933, reluctantly called Hitler to the chancellorship to head a coalition government of Nazis, conservative German nationalists, and several prominent independents. The first two years in office were almost wholly dedicated to the consolidation of power. With several prominent Nazis in key positions (Hermann Goring, as minister of interior in Prussia, and Wilhelm Frick, as minister of interior of the central government, controlled the police forces) and his military ally Werner von Blomberg in the Defense Ministry, he quickly gained practical control. He persuaded the aging president and the Reichstag to invest him with emergency powers suspending the constitution in the so-called Enabling Act of Feb. 28, 1933. Under this act and with the help of a mysterious fire in the Reichstag building, he rapidly eliminated his political rivals and brought all levels of government and major political institutions under his control. By means of the Roehm purge of the summer of 1934 he assured himself of the loyalty of the army by the subordination of the Nazi storm troopers and the murder of its chief together with the liquidation of major rivals within the army. The death of President Hindenburg in August 1934 cleared the way for the abolition of the presidential title by plebiscite. Hitler became officially Fuhrer of Germany and thereby head of state as well as commander in chief of the armed forces.

Read it and weap. I was right you were wrong. All truth. Suck on that burn.

[WithStamin]

Ouch.. too bad for them. Burned!

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Ouch.. too bad for them. Burned!
chime in any time neph

[NOFXdesendents5]

nazis are fucking gay.

german names are fucking gay, although mine is.....

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
nazis are fucking gay.

german names are fucking gay, although mine is.....
what does that have anything to do with this post

[Expert_Monk]

WHat did nelph or whatever say?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Expert_Monk
WHat did nelph or whatever say?
He called me a liar and said I was "spurting out of my ass", i believe is what was said. He doubted that Hitler forced his way into power, but I was right. I'll admit being wrong, but I'll make damn sure people know when I'm right.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by dep_rules
he didnt force his way into power though. its just once he got it he took away everyone elses
no. the president Hindenburg "reluctantly" gave Hitler chancellorship. That means duress was involved. Therefore, forced

[The Nephilm]

God where do I even begin???

First off, the initial argument that we had was over you claiming that the US created a democracy in Germany and Japan, which was a blatant lie.

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Did we take over cuba, no. Did we take over Korea, not entirely. Did we take over Germany, yes. Are we allies and partners in trade, yes. Did we take over Japan, yes. Are we allies and partners in trade, yes. Did we install new democracies in their countries, yes. Are they doing fine, yes. Enough said.

Your buddy, Stamin agreed with this logic, because he too didn't know what he was talking about

Originally posted by WithStamin
He makes a good point in that the majority of democracies we have installed are strong and sucsessful. BrandNew seems to know based on the intellligence of your posts.

When I questioned him about this he responded...

Originally posted by WithStamin
What do you mean we didn't make Germany democratic?? They are democratic. Korea is only half communist. Japan is a thriving democracy.

Then you continued to contradict yourself in these two posts

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
After world war 1, Germany was a democracy, you're right.

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
The US occupied W. Germany. We installed a democracy. We then let them do their own thing. We did stay in Germany to check that they were doing ok. We installed the democracy, they ran it.

So let me get this straight. Germany was a democracy before and after WWI, and then after WWII we installed... A DEMOCRACY???
This already proved that you didn't know that germany was a democracy, but this next post astounded me even more.

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
we didnt suck their resources and they started ww1 for the most part

It is well known that the US blamed germany for WWI and the reparations severly fucked the german economy. And on top of that, Austria-Hungry started the war. For someone taking a class on the subject, that is a pretty obvious error.

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
We did create a democracy in germany after both WW1 AND 2. You ever hear of the treaty of versailles? yeah. this punished germany for their war crimes in ww1, and then the us instated a democracy in germany. this treaty may have caused ww2, because germans hated the new democracy and the treaty of versailles. the democracy didnt work because the us didnt hang around after the fact. however after ww2 we instated ANOTHER democracy, this one is still in existance TODAY. You read a book

Again in this post you contradict your previous statement acknowledging that Germany was a democracy before WWI. What the fuck are you talking about??

And do I need to bring up the fact that you think the Panama canal (which only recently has been in control of the Panama government) helped their country in any way?

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
panama is far better off since we built the canal there, thats one of their largest sources of income

And as for the debate on weather or not Hitler was democratically elected, like I said, let me just leave YOUR OWN WORDS TO ANSWER

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Thank you.
Nazi Germany was just as democratic as Iraq is today. Sure you vote, but its just a formality so the world thinks you are doing your job.

So they VOTED which makes them a DEMOCRACY like I said. It doesn't matter if they were forced to vote a certain way, THEY WERE STILL A DEMOCRACY.

[WithStamin]

Germany was a democracy, but Hitler made it a dictatorship when he gave himself dictator powers.So they VOTED which makes them a DEMOCRACY like I said. It doesn't matter if they were forced to vote a certain way, THEY WERE STILL A DEMOCRACY. It's not a democracy if you can't choose how to vote.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Germany was a democracy, but Hitler made it a dictatorship when he gave himself dictator powers. It's not a democracy if you can't choose how to vote.
Thank You

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
God where do I even begin???

First off, the initial argument that we had was over you claiming that the US created a democracy in Germany and Japan, which was a blatant lie.



Your buddy, Stamin agreed with this logic, because he too didn't know what he was talking about



When I questioned him about this he responded...



Then you continued to contradict yourself in these two posts





So let me get this straight. Germany was a democracy before and after WWI, and then after WWII we installed... A DEMOCRACY???
This already proved that you didn't know that germany was a democracy, but this next post astounded me even more.



It is well known that the US blamed germany for WWI and the reparations severly fucked the german economy. And on top of that, Austria-Hungry started the war. For someone taking a class on the subject, that is a pretty obvious error.



Again in this post you contradict your previous statement acknowledging that Germany was a democracy before WWI. What the fuck are you talking about??

And do I need to bring up the fact that you think the Panama canal (which only recently has been in control of the Panama government) helped their country in any way?



And as for the debate on weather or not Hitler was democratically elected, like I said, let me just leave YOUR OWN WORDS TO ANSWER



So they VOTED which makes them a DEMOCRACY like I said. It doesn't matter if they were forced to vote a certain way, THEY WERE STILL A DEMOCRACY.
First off, the US did create democracy in both Japan and Western Germany. So that is the truth. Germany WAS a democracy prior to and after WWI, yes. However during the time between WWI and WWII Hitler turned the democracy run by Hindenburg into a dictatorship. When he took away civil rights and imprisoned any who werent Nazis, I dont consider that to be a democracy. And no he was NOT democraticaly elected because he was granted the spot by the president RELUCTANTLY may I add, and then took over after the Presidents death. Also Austria-Hungry didnt start WWI. A terrorist act ignited the war, Germany didnt start the war, and if I gave the impression of that, I am wrong. However Germany was one of the strongest enemy forces in WWI, and that is why the Treaty of Versailles was created, and when Germany was getting sucked of its resourses, that was under the Treaty of Versailles, so I dont consider that to be a heinus act, therefore a dont credit the US for sucking Germany dry. Panama, which was under US control until a few years back, still took the money profit from the panama canal, and they didnt have to pay for it, so they got one sweet deal. And finally Hitler was not democraticaly elected, end of story.

[yeat182]

even if Nazi Germany was technically a democracy, the point is irrelevant because Hitler declared himself Chancellor for Life and therefor there was never a vote for chancellor. thus hitler was never democratically elected even after he assumed power.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
even if Nazi Germany was technically a democracy, the point is irrelevant because Hitler declared himself Chancellor for Life and therefor there was never a vote for chancellor. thus hitler was never democratically elected even after he assumed power.
bam thankyou

[yeat182]

sometimes brandnew, i think we are the only ones who make sense...

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
sometimes brandnew, i think we are the only ones who make sense...
your washington ideas are a little shaky....lol.....i think withstamin is down too

[yeat182]

yeah, he's definatly down.

about washington, its kinda one of those things you have to read about, but i can understand your point, and like i said at the begining of that thread, i could make a case for several different presidents.

[zach]

Originally posted by yeat182
sometimes brandnew, i think we are the only ones who make sense...
oh the things i could say...

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
yeah, he's definatly down.

about washington, its kinda one of those things you have to read about, but i can understand your point, and like i said at the begining of that thread, i could make a case for several different presidents.
all right good times. youre down for sure. neph isnt down. neph thinks there is a FASCIST DEMOCRACY that should be enough to hang him by his nuts for life