Abortion

[BrandNewRock05]

Tell me your thoughts? Is it right for a woman to use this as a form of birth control and take an innocent life?

[like a bad star]

i mean if she cant take care of it then yes because why raise a child when you cant possibly take care of it?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by like a bad star
i mean if she cant take care of it then yes because why raise a child when you cant possibly take care of it?
adoption

[kidinthecorner]

I say its only good when they are raped and they have a good enough reason besides just not wanting it. If it'll will kill them in childbirth AND they were raped, then thats fine. Otherwise,they shouldnt have been sleeping around, and if they don't want it, put it up for abortion. Its not your life to take.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
I say its only good when they are raped and they have a good enough reason besides just not wanting it. If it'll will kill them in childbirth AND they were raped, then thats fine. Otherwise,they shouldnt have been sleeping around, and if they don't want it, put it up for abortion. Its not your life to take.
Holy shit, dude, you are like on the same mindtrack as me. I bet you hate welfare, dont you?

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
I say its only good when they are raped and they have a good enough reason besides just not wanting it. If it'll will kill them in childbirth AND they were raped, then thats fine. Otherwise,they shouldnt have been sleeping around, and if they don't want it, put it up for abortion. Its not your life to take.
I like this guy's thinking!

[kidinthecorner]

Holy shit, ya!!!! Fuck welfare!

[pikenz]

mothers choice but it think they should have a good reason besides i dont want it

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by pikenz
mothers choice but it think they should have a good reason besides i dont want it
if the broad is a whore, why should she be able to kill a child

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
Holy shit, ya!!!! Fuck welfare!
Withstamin, you think this kid is fit for the Right-Wing club?

[WithStamin]

I'd say so. Hates welfare, abortion. How about Iraq?

[like a bad star]

i know but when you put the kid up for adoption its too hard and painful. wouldnt it be easier to get an abortion so you dont have to go through that. i know abortion is hard too but at least you dont have to go through childbirth and seeing your son or daughter before they get taken away

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
I'd say so.
You're the president, tell him what he's won

[WithStamin]

i know but when you put the kid up for adoption its too hard and painful. wouldnt it be easier to get an abortion so you dont have to go through that. i know abortion is hard too but at least you dont have to go through childbirth and seeing your son or daughter before they get taken away Yeah, but if you use abortion, the kid dies...

[kidinthecorner]

Are you serious? You think its easier to kill something than let go of it and save a life? Not being confrontational or anything, its just hard for me to see...

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by like a bad star
i know but when you put the kid up for adoption its too hard and painful. wouldnt it be easier to get an abortion so you dont have to go through that. i know abortion is hard too but at least you dont have to go through childbirth and seeing your son or daughter before they get taken away
if you dont want it then you'll have no trouble giving it away. some couples cant have children, give them a gift of a child

[WithStamin]

Congratulations, kidinthecorner! You've been accepted to the right-wing club! Head over to to politics forum (http://forum.absolutepunk.net/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=17) to see what you've won!

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
Are you serious? You think its easier to kill something than let go of it and save a life? Not being confrontational or anything, its just hard for me to see...

You are... I can't put it in words exactlly....so right in everything you say

[like a bad star]

you guys are right..hm i guess you could give it up for adoption and visit the kid but i still think adoption in hard but i guess its better then killing the kid

[travisforever]

If I got pregnant I'd probably get an abortion...I want a future and i don't think I can have a bright future if I have a baby when I'm 15 or something. If the father would stick around and help out it might be different, but I could never imagine telling my dad that I had gotten pregnant, he'd never look at me again. I hat it when people are totally against abortion when it's better to have an abortion rather than put the baby through an abusive life. Plus why would you want to make someone keep a baby when it is a result of being raped?

[kidinthecorner]

Heres a way around that 15yr old mother problem- Dont sleep around! Honestly, if you get pregnant that young, you deserve the hardships you'll face being a teenage mom. Its not the babies fault that his/her mother is a slut that young, so why should it be punished. And then there's the adoption thing. If you can't raise it, give it to someone who wants a bay, like those couples we're always hearing about that CAN'T have babies.

[hot damn!]

If you're ready to have sex then you're also ready to face the consequences of pregnancy. Both parties should be equally responsible for the actions and not everything should fall upon the girl.

If I'm man enough to impregnant a girl, I'm also man enough to take care of the kid.

w00t.

[kidinthecorner]

Originally posted by PweredByBoredom
If you're ready to have sex then you're also ready to face the consequences of pregnancy. Both parties should be equally responsible for the actions and not everything should fall upon the girl.

If I'm man enough to impregnant a girl, I'm also man enough to take care of the kid.

w00t.

Yes, good point. The doode has half the stuff in there too.

[zach]

please please please please please, keep political discussions in the politics forum

[kalika]

i really dont know what my opinion on abortion is. ive never been pregnant and dont ever plan to be. i think its so complicated. on one hand, your takin a life if you do it and i dont agree with that. but on the other hand, there are already so many children in the world that need looking after already so it could be very cruel introducing another person to the world.

[punkchick22]

Originally posted by PweredByBoredom
If you're ready to have sex then you're also ready to face the consequences of pregnancy. Both parties should be equally responsible for the actions and not everything should fall upon the girl.

If I'm man enough to impregnant a girl, I'm also man enough to take care of the kid.

w00t.

wow...that was awesome. you just gained 1252843 cool points.

i think...abortion would have to be one of the hardest things a girl could go through. i think abortion is wrong but sometimes you are left without a choice. i dont know, its one of those things that you would ahbe to actually be put in that position to make a decision. but adoption is so much better, you save a childs life and they are given to a family that can take care of them, and you could still see them if you wanted too.

[SkaPunkSara]

Some of u r being so closed minded! Some women have no choice but to have an abortion! The Pregnant women could have a medical condition that would put her life and the babies life in danger if she was to give birth, or the child might be born severly disformed which would mean it could never lead a independat life and would need to be waited on hand and foot for the duration of its life Ect! There are plenty of valid reasons why a women might have no chice but 2 face having a termination! Untill you put yourself in that situatation I dont think you can every say what you would do...

[Suprhatch614]

We've already had this conversation, It was like 13 pages long or something

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by zach
please please please please please, keep political discussions in the politics forum

[SonEric84]

COCKSUCK YOU ABORTION!!!


haha ok now to be serious, I think abortion is ok I mean it should be the woman's own choice on what she wants to do with her body, besides overpopulation is a serious problem if you didn't notice!

[your moms hot]

since when is there a politics forum?? sweeeeeeeeeeeet

[LessThanRoger]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Tell me your thoughts? Is it right for a woman to use this as a form of birth control and take an innocent life? The real question is it right for a man whose condom broke because of the womans pussy being too tight to be able to demand an abortion? eh EH?

[Stompemplay]

your only thinking about this from the woman's point of view. What about the kid? He has to grow up poor with a mother who obviously wasn't ready for a kid. She'll fuck em up, and then the kid will fuck his/her kids up, and then we have a whole family tree of fucked up ppl. Thats what we need right now.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
your only thinking about this from the woman's point of view. What about the kid? He has to grow up poor with a mother who obviously wasn't ready for a kid. She'll fuck em up, and then the kid will fuck his/her kids up, and then we have a whole family tree of fucked up ppl. Thats what we need right now.

so just because the kid MIGHT have a fucked up life, thats a good reason to just kill him off? So you see abortion as mercy killing then.

[travisforever]

well if the mother knows that she's unstable then she shouldn't be responsible for a kid...would you wanna go through an abusive childhood?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by travisforever
well if the mother knows that she's unstable then she shouldn't be responsible for a kid...would you wanna go through an abusive childhood?

then she shouldn't have got your self in that postion in the first place. Or give it up for adoption, just cause she fucked her own life doesn;t give her the right to end another.

[travisforever]

just wondering...what if some girl got pregnant as a result of rape? do you think she has the right to get an abortion then?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by travisforever
just wondering...what if some girl got pregnant as a result of rape? do you think she has the right to get an abortion then?
now thats a completly different topic, i'm for it in that instance all long as its done really early. I also think that a minor charge of murder should be charge with the rapest when, and if, he gets caught.

But this, along with incest, is a really small portion of all abortion cases, most are done for birth control reasons or financial reasons.

[kidinthecorner]

Ya the rape complicates things a bit.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
your only thinking about this from the woman's point of view. What about the kid? He has to grow up poor with a mother who obviously wasn't ready for a kid. She'll fuck em up, and then the kid will fuck his/her kids up, and then we have a whole family tree of fucked up ppl. Thats what we need right now.
One word
Adoption

[charly horse]

I think it's ok, depending on how many times you do it. I know girls who claim they've had 3 to 4 abortions. That is just absolutely ridiculous. They need to change their ways if they keep making that mistake. But if a girl needs to get one, and thinks she can live with herself, then go ahead do it. It's not my place to tell someone what they can and cannot do, to a certain extent.

[sweethypocrisy]

I think it's ok, depending on how many times you do it. I know girls who claim they've had 3 to 4 abortions. That is just absolutely ridiculous. They need to change their ways if they keep making that mistake. But if a girl needs to get one, and thinks she can live with herself, then go ahead do it. It's not my place to tell someone what they can and cannot do, to a certain extent.
LISH

why the FUCK did you bring this back?!

[Shellular]

yeah, seriously.

[puNk_tHeoRy]

First off I'd like to state that there's 2% chance of a pregnacy resulting from rape (a woman's body goes through a state of shock and it denies it from getting pregnant) BUT it is possible and in those cases it should be up to the woman.

abortion should be looked at on a case-to-case basis. there can't be any black and white on this subject. if the woman's and/or child's life is at risk, then, again, mother's choice.

[charly horse]

I was bored. No one was really here. I was just waisting time and I decided that abortion was worthing bringing back.

[twobullets]

seriously i don't think that it is okay for someone to have an abortion, unless you were raped or something of that sort. if not i don't think you should decided to kill your child. you had the sex now you are stuck with the child. that's pretty much the nature of it all.

[charly horse]

but it's not technically a "child" when you are supposed to have an abortion . . .

[punklet2101]

I think it's wrong, that the child already is a human being and doesn't deserve to be murdered.

But also, my opinion aside, a woman should be able to decide what she does with her body.

[ohlookitspaul]

I think it's wrong, that the child already is a human being and doesn't deserve to be murdered.

But also, my opinion aside, a woman should be able to decide what she does with her body.
which is why i personally believe it's possible to be pro-choice and still anti-abortion.

[punklet2101]

but it's not technically a "child" when you are supposed to have an abortion . . .
It's all about how you look at it...

[puNk_tHeoRy]

its still technically a human being.

[punklet2101]

Well, A doctor may tell you that the unborn child is a mere blob of cells, but I believe as soon as the unborn child has begun to form there is a purpose for it's life.

But that's just me. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone. You could either see it like that or as an unborn and not yet developed kinda thing..

[ohlookitspaul]

its still technically a human being.
please explain.

i'm not trying to be a dick, i just prefer it when people at least back up their arguments, no matter what side of a debate.

[Tanooki Suit]

A glob of undifferentiated cells does not a human make.

[charly horse]

Like i completely agree with helen about not forcing your opinions on someone and how you are pro choice but anti abortion. Personally, I'm pro choice, but i will support someone if they got an abortion. It depends though, because i had a friend who claimed she has had 4 abortions. When you get into that many, that, crosses the line. Now, whether she really had those abortions or not, is a different story. I just think that if I were ever put into a situation where i was pregnant, i would either choose abortion or adoption. I mean, adoption is probably the best option really. I just, I don't know what i would do. I'd be afraid that if I did have the baby and decided to give it up for adoption that when I came out and saw it that i wouldn't want to give iti up, then it would totally fuck my whole life up. Abortion is such a touchy subject, and truely there is no clear cut way.

[punklet2101]

A glob of undifferentiated cells does not a human make.
Well they do develop...

I'm talking about at the very beginning of a pregnancy

Sorry, I should have written that before

[Tanooki Suit]

I am pro-abortion. Why do we need little children running around sucking up resources when every country on this earth already has overpopulation problems? I say kill them all.

[punklet2101]

Like i completely agree with helen about not forcing your opinions on someone and how you are pro choice but anti abortion. Personally, I'm pro choice, but i will support someone if they got an abortion. It depends though, because i had a friend who claimed she has had 4 abortions. When you get into that many, that, crosses the line. Now, whether she really had those abortions or not, is a different story. I just think that if I were ever put into a situation where i was pregnant, i would either choose abortion or adoption. I mean, adoption is probably the best option really. I just, I don't know what i would do. I'd be afraid that if I did have the baby and decided to give it up for adoption that when I came out and saw it that i wouldn't want to give iti up, then it would totally fuck my whole life up. Abortion is such a touchy subject, and truely there is no clear cut way.

I guess it can also depend on situations. A young teenage girl may have strict nazi parents but at least she would have a family and some kind of good life standard... a homeless or poverty stricken person would have little options.

[puNk_tHeoRy]

please explain.

i'm not trying to be a dick, i just prefer it when people at least back up their arguments, no matter what side of a debate.

well according to the catholic church, the second a child is concieved it's considered a living thing.. it has the potential of developing into a human being.

of course..that's just the church's viewpoint.

[FallingOut]

I dont feel that abortion is EVER right, in any situation. Even if the girl got raped, because, why kill an innocent baby? I know rape is a horrible thing, but it does not mean that killing a living human being is any more justified than it is in any other situation. I dont think people realize that abortion is really taking a human life, and ending it. Its never right to do that, under ANY circumstances. You can always give it up for adoption. People say thats hard to do, but its easy for you to say, go ahead and kill my unborn baby?!? That makes no sense to me. Isnt giving that baby a chance at life, to be raised by good people, better than killing it because its an inconveinance??

[ohlookitspaul]

well according to the catholic church, the second a child is concieved it's considered a living thing.. it has the potential of developing into a human being.

of course..that's just the church's viewpoint.
oh ok so your anti-abortion stance is purely religious in origin?

(i'm just making sure)

[punklet2101]

I dont feel that abortion is EVER right, in any situation. Even if the girl got raped, because, why kill an innocent baby? I know rape is a horrible thing, but it does not mean that killing a living human being is any more justified than it is in any other situation. I dont think people realize that abortion is really taking a human life, and ending it. Its never right to do that, under ANY circumstances. You can always give it up for adoption. People say thats hard to do, but its easy for you to say, go ahead and kill my unborn baby?!? That makes no sense to me. Isnt giving that baby a chance at life, to be raised by good people, better than killing it because its an inconveinance??
Well said.

[puNk_tHeoRy]

oh ok so your anti-abortion stance is purely religious in origin?

(i'm just making sure)

not purely.. but i agree with most of it's views on this issue.. except having to keep the child even in the case of rape or life endangerment. the catholic church believes that a child's life is sacred and should tried to be saved at all costs, which i don't fully agree with.

..i go to a catholic school and we have classes like "morality" (i shit you not).. so we have class long discussions and debates about this all the time..

[BetsyXcore]

I dont feel that abortion is EVER right, in any situation. Even if the girl got raped, because, why kill an innocent baby? I know rape is a horrible thing, but it does not mean that killing a living human being is any more justified than it is in any other situation. I dont think people realize that abortion is really taking a human life, and ending it. Its never right to do that, under ANY circumstances. You can always give it up for adoption. People say thats hard to do, but its easy for you to say, go ahead and kill my unborn baby?!? That makes no sense to me. Isnt giving that baby a chance at life, to be raised by good people, better than killing it because its an inconveinance??

amen.

[puNk_tHeoRy]

I dont feel that abortion is EVER right, in any situation. Even if the girl got raped, because, why kill an innocent baby? I know rape is a horrible thing, but it does not mean that killing a living human being is any more justified than it is in any other situation. I dont think people realize that abortion is really taking a human life, and ending it. Its never right to do that, under ANY circumstances. You can always give it up for adoption. People say thats hard to do, but its easy for you to say, go ahead and kill my unborn baby?!? That makes no sense to me. Isnt giving that baby a chance at life, to be raised by good people, better than killing it because its an inconveinance??

What if there is a complication and both the mother and the child's life is at risk and the only way to save the mother would be to abort the child? or would you want to save the child and loose the mother?

[Love As Arson]

I'm pro-choice. The fetus isn't a life, and even if it was, abortion would be still be justifiable.

[Lueda Alia]

I'm pro-choice. The fetus isn't a life, and even if it was, abortion would be still be justifiable.
Agreed.


No one has the right to decide about what I can do and can't do with my body. I'm sorry but you can't. The government has no right to tell me what to do with it either.

I'm definitely pro-choice. But I won't get into this. If you want to know how I feel about it then go check the Politics forum.

[Suprhatch614]

Personally I'm pro-life, but once again, a woman's body is her's to do with what she wants, but what i want to know is this. How come if a guy kills a pregnant woman it counts as two homicides (ala scott peterson) but an unborn child doesn't count as a baby? This confuses me...that and why don't they count your birthday as being 9 months earlier then...work is slow today, sorry for posting

[Lueda Alia]

Personally I'm pro-life, but once again, a woman's body is her's to do with what she wants, but what i want to know is this. How come if a guy kills a pregnant woman it counts as two homicides (ala scott peterson) but an unborn child doesn't count as a baby? This confuses me...that and why don't they count your birthday as being 9 months earlier then...work is slow today, sorry for posting
I explained it in the other thread. Laci Petterson had basically "given birth" in the water, or well the baby had popped out, so it was counted as two lives. Because well it was two lives. Does that make any sense?

And it's not like any of us is "pro-death". I don't think anyone is. We just believe that women should be able to decide about what to do with their bodies & the government should stay out of it.

[FallingOut]

Eda, I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with you alot. Having an abortion isnt just something that you are doing with your body. You are taking a human life!!! Why dont people understand this? A fetus IS a human being. If it had life in it, then it is a person. Its not just a "womans choice" whether or not to have an abortion. Its a choice whether or not to kill somebody, or not kill somebody. How is murdering a small baby any more justified than killing some random person out on the street?? I really feel that having an abortion has nothing to do with the government having a say in what you do with your body. Its SO much more than that.

[Lueda Alia]

Eda, I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with you alot. Having an abortion isnt just something that you are doing with your body. You are taking a human life!!! Why dont people understand this? A fetus IS a human being. If it had life in it, then it is a person. Its not just a "womans choice" whether or not to have an abortion. Its a choice whether or not to kill somebody, or not kill somebody. How is murdering a small baby any more justified than killing some random person out on the street?? I really feel that having an abortion has nothing to do with the government having a say in what you do with your body. Its SO much more than that.
A fetus is NOT a baby. Even science hasn't proved it yet, so don't say that as if you're 100% sure that it's right. Because you're not. Well you may be, but you've not been proven right by science just yet.

There's no certain time on when life really begins, so people have different opinions on when it does, which is why everyone should have a choice.

And it's not a murder if the woman doesn't consider the fetus a life. A fetus to most is just something that has the potential to BECOME a life which is different from an actual life.


Man I really don't want to get into this.

[Lueda Alia]

I dont feel that abortion is EVER right, in any situation. Even if the girl got raped, because, why kill an innocent baby? I know rape is a horrible thing, but it does not mean that killing a living human being is any more justified than it is in any other situation. I dont think people realize that abortion is really taking a human life, and ending it. Its never right to do that, under ANY circumstances. You can always give it up for adoption. People say thats hard to do, but its easy for you to say, go ahead and kill my unborn baby?!? That makes no sense to me. Isnt giving that baby a chance at life, to be raised by good people, better than killing it because its an inconveinance??

I find that sort of arrogant. Well the rape part. What you are suggesting is making them virtual slaves while they are pregnant.

[Mercy Medical]

Here's what I feel on pro-choice...

Yes, you had a choice.....whether or not you wanted to sleep with that individual or whether or not to use birth control. That's where you made your choice. If you get pregnant because of it, it's your fault. There's no need to take away and innocent life because you made a stupid decision.

[Lueda Alia]

Here's what I feel on pro-choice...

Yes, you had a choice.....whether or not you wanted to sleep with that individual or whether or not to use birth control. That's where you made your choice. If you get pregnant because of it, it's your fault. There's no need to take away and innocent life because you made a stupid decision.
So you're saying that pregnancy should be the punishment for someone's mistake? That's wrong in so many ways. Pregnancy should NEVER be a punishment. It should be something that's wanted.

And everyone makes mistakes. And you know those things called "accident", happen.

[Love As Arson]

I dont feel that abortion is EVER right, in any situation. Even if the girl got raped, because, why kill an innocent baby? I know rape is a horrible thing, but it does not mean that killing a living human being is any more justified than it is in any other situation. I dont think people realize that abortion is really taking a human life, and ending it. Its never right to do that, under ANY circumstances. You can always give it up for adoption. People say thats hard to do, but its easy for you to say, go ahead and kill my unborn baby?!? That makes no sense to me. Isnt giving that baby a chance at life, to be raised by good people, better than killing it because its an inconveinance??
You have no idea the psychological affects of one being raped, and to add to that by forcing the woman to give birth to a child of one who took away all her worth is immoral and irresponsible. You can stop stating that the fetus is human as fact, because it has yet to be defined as a human being. To be human, the most important thing you must have is sentience, and a fetus does not have that.
In a perfect world, there would be no abortion, and adoption would be a wonderful option, but we don't live in a perfect world, and often times it isn't the birth that is the problem, it is the pregnancy itself. The woman cannot be pregnant for various reasons, so she must end it. It is the hardest decision a woman could ever make. They do not just do it out of convenience, they do it because they honestly feel that it would be best for them to have it, and regardless of what you think, they've put a lot of thought into the matter and settled upon having an abortion.
Personally I'm pro-life, but once again, a woman's body is her's to do with what she wants, but what i want to know is this. How come if a guy kills a pregnant woman it counts as two homicides (ala scott peterson) but an unborn child doesn't count as a baby? This confuses me...that and why don't they count your birthday as being 9 months earlier then...work is slow today, sorry for posting
I don't believe he should have been charged with two murders. That law should be repealed.

[Lueda Alia]

You have no idea the psychological affects of one being raped, and to add to that by forcing the woman to give birth to a child of one who took away all her worth is immoral and irresponsible. You can stop stating that the fetus is human as fact, because it has yet to be defined as a human being. To be human, the most important thing you must have is sentience, and a fetus does not have that.
In a perfect world, there would be no abortion, and adoption would be a wonderful option, but we don't live in a perfect world, and often times it isn't the birth that is the problem, it is the pregnancy itself. The woman cannot be pregnant for various reasons, so she must end it. It is the hardest decision a woman could ever make. They do not just do it out of convenience, they do it because they honestly feel that it would be best for them to have it, and regardless of what you think, they've put a lot of thought into the matter and settled upon having an abortion.


*claps*

A guy who finally understands.

[Love As Arson]

Here's what I feel on pro-choice...

Yes, you had a choice.....whether or not you wanted to sleep with that individual or whether or not to use birth control. That's where you made your choice. If you get pregnant because of it, it's your fault. There's no need to take away and innocent life because you made a stupid decision.
So, because people make mistakes we should force them to do something that is going to affect their whole lives, and leave them out of the decision making? Basically, you're arguing for the taking away of a person's right to decide their life. In a way, you're robbing someone else of their life.
Also, those who are pro-life should take into consideration the reprecussions of making abortion illegal. Are you willing to trade the lives of the infants for the lives of the women?

[Lueda Alia]

So, because people make mistakes we should force them to do something that is going to affect their whole lives, and leave them out of the decision making? Basically, you're arguing for the taking away of a person's right to decide their life. In a way, you're robbing someone else of their life.

I totally agree.

Because she had sex is not justification for violating her rights and taking away her ability to decide what she wants to do regarding her body, including terminating the life-support function she is currently involved in.

[sweethypocrisy]

abortion should only be legal when the girl was raped or if she or the baby are at risk. other than that its just stupid and wrong. if you cant take care of a baby, dont have sex. its simple as that. birth control and condoms dont always work, you should have to take responsibility for your actions.

[Mercy Medical]

So you're saying that pregnancy should be the punishment for someone's mistake? That's wrong in so many ways. Pregnancy should NEVER be a punishment. It should be something that's wanted.

And everyone makes mistakes. And you know those things called "accident", happen.
No, what I'm saying is that today's society should take responsibility for their actions. Our society today has a minimal concept of responsibility, especially people around my age. It's fuckin' ridiculous to me that girls my age run around and sleep around with shit loads of guys without ever thinking the possible repercushions of what they're doing. I fuckin' hate society today because it is so unbelieveable irresponsibile (I'm talking about the majority here).

I understand the point of rape victims and that would be the only situation in which I would say, "okay, abortion is a possibility" and in cases where either the mother or the child's life is at risk (although those types of situations seem few and far between to me today).

For the rest though, taking responsibility doesn't necessarily mean taking care of the child, give it up for adoption. Yes, I understand that it may be difficult thing to do after carrying that child for 9 months, but if you know it will have a better life with someone who's capable of taking care of that child, you'll do it for the best of your baby.

It's a matter of knowing what you can and can't do in those situations. I feel like having an abortion is such a copout for some people. There some women who continually sleep around although they may have already had an abortion and ended up aborting multiple babies because they see it as the solution to that problem. I don't see it as a solution. I see it as killing an innocent life.

In domestic abuse cases father's can get murder for say punching their wife in the stomach and killing the baby, how is aborting the baby any different?

[Mercy Medical]

I totally agree.

Because she had sex is not justification for violating her rights and taking away her ability to decide what she wants to do regarding her body, including terminating the life-support function she is currently involved in.
She had the ability to decide what she wanted to do with her body when she laid down with that guy. That's where she made her choice.

[allelish]

There isn't That much difference between killing a baby and killing what has the potential to become a baby. Either way, its wrong and its only a matter of time before the "potential" baby becomes a human being, where do you draw the line of when its "OK" to kill it?

[sweethypocrisy]

No, what I'm saying is that today's society should take responsibility for their actions. Our society today has a minimal concept of responsibility, especially people around my age. It's fuckin' ridiculous to me that girls my age run around and sleep around with shit loads of guys without ever thinking the possible repercushions of what they're doing. I fuckin' hate society today because it is so unbelieveable irresponsibile (I'm talking about the majority here).

I understand the point of rape victims and that would be the only situation in which I would say, "okay, abortion is a possibility" and in cases where either the mother or the child's life is at risk (although those types of situations seem few and far between to me today).

For the rest though, taking responsibility doesn't necessarily mean taking care of the child, give it up for adoption. Yes, I understand that it may be difficult thing to do after carrying that child for 9 months, but if you know it will have a better life with someone who's capable of taking care of that child, you'll do it for the best of your baby.

It's a matter of knowing what you can and can't do in those situations. I feel like having an abortion is such a copout for some people. There some women who continually sleep around although they may have already had an abortion and ended up aborting multiple babies because they see it as the solution to that problem. I don't see it as a solution. I see it as killing an innocent life.

In domestic abuse cases father's can get murder for say punching their wife in the stomach and killing the baby, how is aborting the baby any different?
EXACTLY.
i agree with you 110%

[Lueda Alia]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=48617


close this thread shelly. it's pointless.

[sweethypocrisy]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=48617


close this thread shelly. it's pointless.
she wouldnt yesterday.

[sweethypocrisy]

Putting aside cases where a pregnancy is the result of rape and cases where it may endanger the mother's life, a punishment is something very different than a consequence. No one held these girls down and forced a pregnancy on them (again, not talking about rape). It came as a result of their actions. Sure it may have been a mistake or protection may have not even worked, but does the "incovenience" of a 9-month pregnancy outweigh a child's chance at life? My youngest sister was an "accident" or unplanned, but I would love to see my mom have to tell her that they decided to end her pregnancy because she "didn't come at the right time" or "they weren't ready to have another child." Also, a good friend of mine from home was the product of a rape. I just don't think that the kids should be punished for the method of their conception. I'm not even going to get into the whole argument of when life starts or anything like that. If the pregnancy isn't going to harm you, I think it should be carried through and the child given up for adoption if they are unable to care for it.
*nods head in agreement*
kara and kyle have said it all.

[Love As Arson]

Here is a concept:

To many women abortion is the most responsible thing to do, so to say they are trying to avoid responsibility is incorrect.

[sunrisehighway]

I really hate people that argue against abortion. If you honestly have NEVER had sex then fine, that's great your making your own decisions but it's not your place to be telling other people what to do.

Now for the 90% of you that are arguing and HAVE had sex, you need to shutt the fuck up. I can guarantee the majority of you are NOT ready to be raising a child, and you risk it every day. Sex is enjoyable and therefore people do it without giving it a second thought. Our society has made sex out to be nothing.. something "everyone is doing". It is NOT peoples fault if they give in to this and have sex.

To call someone who gets pregnant a WHORE is fucking ridiculous, because guaranteed 90% of the people you know risk becoming a "whore" all the time. Just because this particular girl got unlucky, the condom broke, the birth control didn't work doesn't make them a whore. it makes them unlucky.

It is then HER life, HER decision as to whether or not to keep the child. NOT yours. Her life could be RUINED simply because she was the unlucky one to have a piece of latex break on her, or she was stupid enough to think "oh well we forgot the condom, you never get pregnant on the first time" because that's what people tell her".

If your all religious and shit and you think its wrong, then thats great.. when the condom breaks on you keep the baby, and fuck up your life. But stay out of other peoples lives, its NOT your business. I'm tired of the catholic church feeding people this shit about how certain things are wrong, and people take it and use it to interfere with other people's lives because they think their religion is right.

No one is ever going to come down and tell us whether its right or wrong. Its a personal decision, so lets KEEP it that way. jesus, the church drives me nuts, dont you holier-than-thou folks have some gays to be burning or something?

[sweethypocrisy]

I really hate people that argue against abortion. If you honestly have NEVER had sex then fine, that's great your making your own decisions but it's not your place to be telling other people what to do.

Now for the 90% of you that are arguing and HAVE had sex, you need to shutt the fuck up. I can guarantee the majority of you are NOT ready to be raising a child, and you risk it every day. Sex is enjoyable and therefore people do it without giving it a second thought. Our society has made sex out to be nothing.. something "everyone is doing". It is NOT peoples fault if they give in to this and have sex.

To call someone who gets pregnant a WHORE is fucking ridiculous, because guaranteed 90% of the people you know risk becoming a "whore" all the time. Just because this particular girl got unlucky, the condom broke, the birth control didn't work doesn't make them a whore. it makes them unlucky.

It is then HER life, HER decision as to whether or not to keep the child. NOT yours. Her life could be RUINED simply because she was the unlucky one to have a piece of latex break on her, or she was stupid enough to think "oh well we forgot the condom, you never get pregnant on the first time" because that's what people tell her".

If your all religious and shit and you think its wrong, then thats great.. when the condom breaks on you keep the baby, and fuck up your life. But stay out of other peoples lives, its NOT your business. I'm tired of the catholic church feeding people this shit about how certain things are wrong, and people take it and use it to interfere with other people's lives because they think their religion is right.

No one is ever going to come down and tell us whether its right or wrong. Its a personal decision, so lets KEEP it that way. jesus, the church drives me nuts, dont you holier-than-thou folks have some gays to be burning or something?
two words:
fucking adoption.
is it harder to give away or to kill a living thing?
even if its not a baby, technically, cells are living things, so sperm are, egg cells are, an embryo and a zygote is, and so is a fucking fetus.
its like having something and being like "i dont want this, but i dont wanna give away, so im going to destroy it."

[sunrisehighway]

two words:
fucking adoption.
is it harder to give away or to kill a living thing?
even if its not a baby, technically, cells are living things, so sperm are, egg cells are, an embryo and a zygote is, and so is a fucking fetus.
its like having something and being like "i dont want this, but i dont wanna give away, so im going to destroy it."

if sperm is a living thing, then masterbation is murder.

no kid wants to grow up in a fucked up atmosphere like adoption. Thats hard on a kid no matter what.

[Mercy Medical]

I really hate people that argue against abortion. If you honestly have NEVER had sex then fine, that's great your making your own decisions but it's not your place to be telling other people what to do.

Now for the 90% of you that are arguing and HAVE had sex, you need to shutt the fuck up. I can guarantee the majority of you are NOT ready to be raising a child, and you risk it every day. Sex is enjoyable and therefore people do it without giving it a second thought. Our society has made sex out to be nothing.. something "everyone is doing". It is NOT peoples fault if they give in to this and have sex.

To call someone who gets pregnant a WHORE is fucking ridiculous, because guaranteed 90% of the people you know risk becoming a "whore" all the time. Just because this particular girl got unlucky, the condom broke, the birth control didn't work doesn't make them a whore. it makes them unlucky.

It is then HER life, HER decision as to whether or not to keep the child. NOT yours. Her life could be RUINED simply because she was the unlucky one to have a piece of latex break on her, or she was stupid enough to think "oh well we forgot the condom, you never get pregnant on the first time" because that's what people tell her".

If your all religious and shit and you think its wrong, then thats great.. when the condom breaks on you keep the baby, and fuck up your life. But stay out of other peoples lives, its NOT your business. I'm tired of the catholic church feeding people this shit about how certain things are wrong, and people take it and use it to interfere with other people's lives because they think their religion is right.

No one is ever going to come down and tell us whether its right or wrong. Its a personal decision, so lets KEEP it that way. jesus, the church drives me nuts, dont you holier-than-thou folks have some gays to be burning or something?
Ya know what, I am a Christian and some of my views on certain subjects are based on my belief, but most of my views and based on my opinion what I find to be right and wrong. My excuse for the way I believe isn't going to be "because the Bible told me so" I think that's complete and utter bullshit.

This is my whole view on sex in general. For one, I want to save that part of me for the person I marry and I don't want to spread it around with everyone I'm ever with. I guess that's religion based and personal based. For two, I don't want to put myself at risk for getting pregnant or a disease or whatever. I have more things in my life to worry about then getting pregnant and having a baby at 21 years of age. I have a lot of things going for me and I don't want to risk what I have for that. Yes, sex may be enjoyable, but I can set that aside and decide not to have sex for the reasons stated above. People should be responsible enough to make those decisions too. They should be smart enough to think, "okay, I have this and this and this going for me, why would I want to fuck it up just because I wanna feel good?".

As I've stated again and again and again I believe a lot of the problems with today's society is not religion based, but just the mere fact that I do not feel the majority of today's society make smart decisions and are responsible human beings. Everyone thinks me, me, me, but doesn't think of the consequences for their own actions.

Why does everyone today have to follow what everyone else does because it's the "norm" or it's "cool". I think that's fuckin' bullshit. Think for yourself for pete's sake.

[puNk_tHeoRy]

if sperm is a living thing, then masterbation is murder.

no kid wants to grow up in a fucked up atmosphere like adoption. Thats hard on a kid no matter what.


unless you're adopted, you can't say what that adoption brings a "fucked up atmosphere".

[sunrisehighway]

Ya know what, I am a Christian and some of my views on certain subjects are based on my belief, but most of my views and based on my opinion what I find to be right and wrong. My excuse for the way I believe isn't going to be "because the Bible told me so" I think that's complete and utter bullshit.

This is my whole view on sex in general. For one, I want to save that part of me for the person I marry and I don't want to spread it around with everyone I'm ever with. I guess that's religion based and personal based. For two, I don't want to put myself at risk for getting pregnant or a disease or whatever. I have more things in my life to worry about then getting pregnant and having a baby at 21 years of age. I have a lot of things going for me and I don't want to risk what I have for that. Yes, sex may be enjoyable, but I can set that aside and decide not to have sex for the reasons stated above. People should be responsible enough to make those decisions too. They should be smart enough to think, "okay, I have this and this and this going for me, why would I want to fuck it up just because I wanna feel good?".

As I've stated again and again and again I believe a lot of the problems with today's society is not religion based, but just the mere fact that I do not feel the majority of today's society make smart decisions and are responsible human beings. Everyone thinks me, me, me, but doesn't think of the consequences for their own actions.

Why does everyone today have to follow what everyone else does because it's the "norm" or it's "cool". I think that's fuckin' bullshit. Think for yourself for pete's sake.


That's somewhat hypocritical of you to tell people to think for themselves when you have just admitted your opinions have been influenced by your religion. But other than that, I say good for you. No sex can be very smart. Its not for me, but i respect it. However i dont think its right for someone who doesnt do it to criticize someone who does.


As for adoption, some really loving parents can adopt a child of course.. its not always like that.. i just meant putting kids up for adoption just isnt right itself.. no better than abortion anyways. there arent enough parents for all the kids.

[nofxmisfitt]

someone told me that as soon as an egg and sperm join, the heartbeat starts? is that bull because thats kinda hard to beleive?.....

this one redneck guy on tv who owns this drug store came on the daily show and was bragging on how he stopped selling birth control because he didnt support abortion....how gay...

im pro-abortion depending on the circimstances....sometimes theyre nessacery

[nofxmisfitt]

im sorry my spelling's to shit

[nofxmisfitt]

I really hate people that argue against abortion. If you honestly have NEVER had sex then fine, that's great your making your own decisions but it's not your place to be telling other people what to do.

Now for the 90% of you that are arguing and HAVE had sex, you need to shutt the fuck up. I can guarantee the majority of you are NOT ready to be raising a child, and you risk it every day. Sex is enjoyable and therefore people do it without giving it a second thought. Our society has made sex out to be nothing.. something "everyone is doing". It is NOT peoples fault if they give in to this and have sex.

To call someone who gets pregnant a WHORE is fucking ridiculous, because guaranteed 90% of the people you know risk becoming a "whore" all the time. Just because this particular girl got unlucky, the condom broke, the birth control didn't work doesn't make them a whore. it makes them unlucky.

It is then HER life, HER decision as to whether or not to keep the child. NOT yours. Her life could be RUINED simply because she was the unlucky one to have a piece of latex break on her, or she was stupid enough to think "oh well we forgot the condom, you never get pregnant on the first time" because that's what people tell her".

If your all religious and shit and you think its wrong, then thats great.. when the condom breaks on you keep the baby, and fuck up your life. But stay out of other peoples lives, its NOT your business. I'm tired of the catholic church feeding people this shit about how certain things are wrong, and people take it and use it to interfere with other people's lives because they think their religion is right.

No one is ever going to come down and tell us whether its right or wrong. Its a personal decision, so lets KEEP it that way. jesus, the church drives me nuts, dont you holier-than-thou folks have some gays to be burning or something?
wow.....*clap*clap*clap*......

[sunrisehighway]

someone told me that as soon as an egg and sperm join, the heartbeat starts? is that bull because thats kinda hard to beleive?.....

this one redneck guy on tv who owns this drug store came on the daily show and was bragging on how he stopped selling birth control because he didnt support abortion....how gay...

im pro-abortion depending on the circimstances....sometimes theyre nessacery

i'm pro-choice. I even think some reasons for the choice are wrong. example some people are aborting children because they found out it was boy and they wanted a girl etc. Thats absolutely awful, and i think they are awful people.. but im not about to go and impose my beliefs on them. If they are okay with that, then thats cool.

For most situations i dont think a girl should even lose sleep though. Learn from her mistake yes.. but not let it haunt her conscience.

[Mercy Medical]

That's somewhat hypocritical of you to tell people to think for themselves when you have just admitted your opinions have been influenced by your religion. But other than that, I say good for you. No sex can be very smart. Its not for me, but i respect it. However i dont think its right for someone who doesnt do it to criticize someone who does.


As for adoption, some really loving parents can adopt a child of course.. its not always like that.. i just meant putting kids up for adoption just isnt right itself.. no better than abortion anyways. there arent enough parents for all the kids.
I took what my religion gave me and went out and discovered my own ideas for myself. I'm sure you don't know me too well from the forum, but as a religious family as I come from I'm not exactly following the "rules" myself. I don't believe people should believe everything their religion gives them without questioning or without going out and finding your own conclusions or own answers. I find people who sit and say "I don't do _____" (fill in the blank) because the Bible tells me so to be idiots. I hate that mentality of just following without questioning or without finding your own answers. I've taken my religion and somewhat shaped it into what I want it to be. I don't know if that makes completely sense or not is really how I wanted to put things, but oh well. :/

I dunno, I feel the right to criticize having sex before marriage because I see the actions of others and I see what happens to people and the consequences of those actions. That's not to say that I'm all squeeky clean when it comes to that category, because I'm not.

As for adoption goes, I know the pros and cons. I myself am not a child of adoption, but I can understand both sides of the story. I just feel that abortion is wrong and that adoption (although it may not be the best situation) is probably a better option for a mother who doesn't necessarily want her child or knows she isn't capable of handling a child.

I mean, at the same time sometimes these babies are born into very loving families, maybe the mother might not be able to take care of the child, but there's always the mother's parents or family. I know that is not always the case, but that is an option.

[nofxmisfitt]

this is to the sun______ kid, youve got a rep point from me.... i like you...

[sweethypocrisy]

someone told me that as soon as an egg and sperm join, the heartbeat starts? is that bull because thats kinda hard to beleive?.....

this one redneck guy on tv who owns this drug store came on the daily show and was bragging on how he stopped selling birth control because he didnt support abortion....how gay...

im pro-abortion depending on the circimstances....sometimes theyre nessacery
the heartbeat starts a few weeks after.

[nofxmisfitt]

so does the abortion deadline stop before the heartbeat starts or does it overlap?

[nofxmisfitt]

Are you kidding me? What are you applauding, the fact that he/she (sorry, don't know) summed up his/her argument by saying that any person with a religious background or has a religious motive for questioning abortion is some crazy gay-hating conservative Catholic? How old are you?
.....

.
im applauding his opinion because i wanted to - get the fuck over it

and im still 16, look at the profile ....

[Shellular]

im applauding his opinion because i wanted to - get the fuck over it

and im still 16, look at the profile ....
you have like the worst attitude here. seriously.

[nofxmisfitt]

you have like the worst attitude here. seriously.
sorry

no really, sorry

[Shellular]

I gave you a chance, but I've come to the resounding conclusion that you are annoying as hell and ignorant too.
hahaha, i love you. so much.

[nofxmisfitt]

I gave you a chance, but I've come to the resounding conclusion that you are annoying as hell and ignorant too.
yah alot of people hate me........

[Shellular]

yah alot of people hate me........
Yeah, and you'd think you'd start being a little more fucking pleasant, instead of telling people to just "get the fuck over it" all the time.

[nofxmisfitt]

Yeah, and you'd think you'd start being a little more fucking pleasant, instead of telling people to just "get the fuck over it" all the time.
ill try to be happier.....okay? promise...i just really dont care for the bled 13 guy...sorry i jumped on ya dude....

[Shellular]

ill try to be happier.....okay? promise...i just really dont care for the bled 13 guy...sorry i jumped on ya dude....
Haha just ignore him, I didn't like him either, but if you ignore him he's fine.

[nofxmisfitt]

Haha just ignore him, I didn't like him either, but if you ignore him he's fine.
thats cool....i really am sorry about jumping, the guy just gets me frustrated...i donno, sorry.... anyways ive also already got in a fight over my age on here.....i donno bad combo i guess

[nofxmisfitt]

Haha, this is one of the reasons you're annoying. You say all this stupid crap to people. Then someone else will say you're being retarded and you completely flip around and start apologizing to everyone....only to repeat the cycle two seconds later. Make up your mind.
making up mind.........ill be nicer, okay?

[Shellular]

thats cool....i really am sorry about jumping, the guy just gets me frustrated...i donno, sorry.... anyways ive also already got in a fight over my age on here.....i donno bad combo i guess
It's not your age, there is plenty of people here younger than you, who don't act like bitches.

[nofxmisfitt]

how about a taco? im broke

[Mercy Medical]

I find it amusing that the moment Shelly (a moderator) comes into the situation she starts apologizing and acting like she's sorry about it or something.

Something tells me that if Shelly hadn't come into the situation we'd be arguing and fighting and bitching back and forth at one another...

[nofxmisfitt]

i really didnt know that she was a moderator, no coincidence there, but i remember her from when i had my other account......

[Shellular]

i really didnt know that she was a moderator, no coincidence there, but i remember her from when i had my other account......
Oh, what was your other account?

[nofxmisfitt]

i really dont remember or else i wouldnt have started over (long story) i just remember that you were nice to me and you had an alkilne trio av (i think)

[Shellular]

Oh hm, maybe it was me, but I never had an alk 3 avatar.

[nofxmisfitt]

oh well i thought it was but im sure that it was something with a heart

[Shellular]

Yeah probably, I've had lots of ones with hearts.

[nofxmisfitt]

i could have sworn it was an alk 3 thing, maybe not then...maybe it was someone else

[Shellular]

who knows.

[nofxmisfitt]

do you remember the newbie that came on once and had like 3 posts and signed off saying something about "byebye now, bye, go buy a cow"?? id love to find that thread...

[Shellular]

haha no, what a freak.

[nofxmisfitt]

it was funny as hell she kept on going off on ducks and stuff.....there was another thread where she ranked #1 dumbest newb. .....she never got on again


in hindsight though, it could have been someone already here getting their kicks...

[Lueda Alia]

geez this is still open?

[Lueda Alia]

hahahaha.

I can't believe she's a girl.

[Shellular]

hahahaha.

I can't believe she's a girl.
me neither. i could have sworn it was like some little 14 year old dickhead.

[Lueda Alia]

me neither. i could have sworn it was like some little 14 year old dickhead.
yeah me too.

[nofxmisfitt]

Yep, but it's strayed a bit. Actually, I'll bring it back on topic:

nofxmisfit: the deal now is $300 through paypal or you are aborted.

There. All better.
buying your love huh.......deal

[Shellular]

buying your love huh.......deal
His love costs more than that. Plus Tyler and I both have his love, so you have to buy it from us too.

[nofxmisfitt]

well its okay because oprah's sponsering me....

[Lueda Alia]

I killed Oprah.

[nofxmisfitt]

dammit......

[nofxmisfitt]

she passed all her money to me in her will so heres to skabum14, shelly, and tyler.....

.....and a new car