NFL QB Power Rankings (12 page argument commence)

[still_life]

Talking about Vick game me a thread idea here. Rank the top QBs in the league, 1-32, like you would a power rankings. Don't just base it on career criteria either (like Favre right at the top even though he blows right now), try to use some of that with a 2005 emphasis, and think about next season.

Since there are some starting QB issues, use:
Warner for Arizona
Brooks for New Orleans
JP Losman for Buffalo
Bollinger for Jets
Frye for Cleveland
Leftwich for Jacksonville
Grossman for Chicago
Culpepper for Minnesota
Garcia for Detroit
Simms for Tampa
Bulger for St. Louis

1. Peyton Manning
2. Carson Palmer
3. Tom Brady
4. Daunte Culpepper
5. Trent Green
6. Donovan McNabb
7. Drew Brees
8. Jake Plummer
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Matt Hasselbeck
11. Marc Bulger
12. Eli Manning
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Drew Bledsoe
15. Mark Brunell
16. Jake Delhomme
17. Brett Favre
18. Aaron Brooks
19. Steve McNair
20. Kurt Warner
21. Michael Vick
22. Kerry Collins
23. David Carr
24. Chris Simms
25. Jeff Garcia
26. Gus Frerotte
27. Charlie Frye
28. Brooks Bollinger
29. Kyle Boller
30. Rex Grossman
31. JP Losman
32. Alex Smith

[somethingyellow]

32. Alex Smith
haha nice

[yeat182]

1.Brady
2. Manning
3. Palmer
4. Plummer
5. Hasselbeck
6. Green
7. Brees
8. Roethlisberger
9. Brunell
10. Delhomme

i only did the top ten and i only included guys who aren't hurt.

[still_life]

Did you happen to see the "highlights" from that game? If the guy had a real dickhead attitude like Ryan Leaf, he might be the worst QB ever drafted in the 1st round. The ball was just floating out of his hand on a few attempts, a truly pathetic performance.

[Drew Beringer]

Favre is too low. Culpepper was having a worse season that Favre. Putting Bulger, Eli, Leftwich, Bledsoe, and Brunell ahead of him is insulting.

[still_life]

Interceptions
1. Brett Favre - 22

4th QT Interceptions
1. Brett Favre - 10

2nd Half Interceptions
1. Brett Favre - 14

That's why he's there.

[yeat182]

Did you happen to see the "highlights" from that game? If the guy had a real dickhead attitude like Ryan Leaf, he might be the worst QB ever drafted in the 1st round. The ball was just floating out of his hand on a few attempts, a truly pathetic performance.

i've heard that there are rumors his hands are too small, i guess he fumbles it all the time in practice and the ball slips out of his hands on passes. probably should have checked out whether he could grip an NFL size football at the combine...

[weezer182]

2. Carson Palmer
you kept bashing palmer all day and you have him at 2?

[Drew Beringer]

Interceptions
1. Brett Favre - 22

4th QT Interceptions
1. Brett Favre - 10

2nd Half Interceptions
1. Brett Favre - 14

That's why he's there.

He has no one to throw to. If anyone rather have those guys on their team instead of Favre, then they are a fucking idiot.

[still_life]

It's looking true more and more each week. That's pretty embarrassing to invest $50 million into a guy when you didn't even know he can hold a NFL football that well.

[still_life]

you kept bashing palmer all day and you have him at 2?

Of course, I hate the guy because he's a Bengal, but he really is turning into the perfect QB. His rating is over 100 in almost every single game. It's sickening, but he's legit. I'd like to see him perform better in big games or in the 4th quarter, but he will probably end up posting some of the best numbers in NFL history as long as he stays healthy.

[yeat182]

It's looking true more and more each week. That's pretty embarrassing to invest $50 million into a guy when you didn't even know he can hold a NFL football that well.

maybe they won't take Bush then...although, i'd get a free agent to play QB and draft Bush.

[yeat182]

Of course, I hate the guy because he's a Bengal, but he really is turning into the perfect QB. His rating is over 100 in almost every single game. It's sickening, but he's legit. I'd like to see him perform better in big games or in the 4th quarter, but he will probably end up posting some of the best numbers in NFL history as long as he stays healthy.

he reminds me of Elway.

[still_life]

He has no one to throw to. If anyone rather have those guys on their team instead of Favre, then they are a fucking idiot.

I think I'd take Driver, Gado, and Franks over that crap they have in San Francisco. Sure, Lloyd can make pretty one-handed catches, but he could also drop easy ones. This excuse can only last for so long, and it doesn't stand up well when Favre's just throwing wild interceptions to no Packer in sight. He's cost his team so many games this year that they were in late. Just look at the pick amount in the 2nd half/4th quarter.

[weezer182]

Of course, I hate the guy because he's a Bengal, but he really is turning into the perfect QB. His rating is over 100 in almost every single game. It's sickening, but he's legit. I'd like to see him perform better in big games or in the 4th quarter, but he will probably end up posting some of the best numbers in NFL history as long as he stays healthy.as long as you recognize he is damn good

[still_life]

I'd get Aaron Brooks as my QB and draft Reggie Bush as my RB if I was the 49ers (if they even have the cap room to do it).

Palmer reminds you of Elway? No way, Eli Manning reminds me of Elway. He can play like shit for 3 quarters, but he could be the man in the 4th if he wants to be. His stats also aren't very pretty in the efficiency stats (comp. %, YPA, TD:INT ratio, passer rating), which is consistent with Elway's early career. Palmer's quickly turning into Peyton.

[Drew Beringer]

I think I'd take Driver, Gado, and Franks over that crap they have in San Francisco. Sure, Lloyd can make pretty one-handed catches, but he could also drop easy ones. This excuse can only last for so long, and it doesn't stand up well when Favre's just throwing wild interceptions to no Packer in sight. He's cost his team so many games this year that they were in late. Just look at the pick amount in the 2nd half/4th quarter.

Franks is out, Gado fumbles, Driver drops passes. Sure Favre is forcing shit, but he is still better than those fucks you listed before him.

[yeat182]

I'd get Aaron Brooks as my QB and draft Reggie Bush as my RB if I was the 49ers (if they even have the cap room to do it).

Palmer reminds you of Elway? No way, Eli Manning reminds me of Elway. He can play like shit for 3 quarters, but he could be the man in the 4th if he wants to be. His stats also aren't very pretty in the efficiency stats (comp. %, YPA, TD:INT ratio, passer rating), which is consistent with Elway's early career. Palmer's quickly turning into Peyton.

he reminds me of elway because he is big, mobile (he's not a stiff, not a runner either though), and has a gun for an arm, plus he's learning how to read a defense.

eli reminds me of jeff george, all the talent in the world and can't quite get it done.

[still_life]

Franks played most of the season, and Gado really only had the fumbilitis in one game. Driver is a legit #1.

Favre's probably lost more games for his team than any other QB this year. I just can't go with him anymore when he's throwing so many bad picks. Before when he did that they could overcome it, but not this year.

[still_life]

he reminds me of elway because he is big, mobile (he's not a stiff, not a runner either though), and has a gun for an arm, plus he's learning how to read a defense.

eli reminds me of jeff george, all the talent in the world and can't quite get it done.

I'm not liking this Elway comparison at all. Elway was more mobile and would run the ball on designed plays. Palmer's not going to run unless there's a wide open lane. Palmer is a very accurate and efficient QB, Elway was just a scrambling, playmaking gunslinger. I think Roethlisberger to Elway is a much better comparison.

[yeat182]

I'm not liking this Elway comparison at all. Elway was more mobile and would run the ball on designed plays. Palmer's not going to run unless there's a wide open lane. Palmer is a very accurate and efficient QB, Elway was just a scrambling, playmaking gunslinger. I think Roethlisberger to Elway is a much better comparison.

i see what you are saying, i wasn't trying to say Palmer is a scrambling QB, but he has mobility that qb's like manning and brady lack. i don't think i'd compare elway with ben either, ben hasn't proven that he can win a game with his arm yet, maybe down the line, but when he has to make a lot of attempts, they don't usually win.

maybe Elway is a bad comparison, i don't know, i was thinking that Manning is like Marino and Brady is like Montana, so i was trying to find another great QB to compare him to, Elway seemed to fit based on their size and how they throw the ball, but Elway was more of a gun slinger, he'd improvise in the clutch when he had too.

[still_life]

Only difference between Elway and Ben is the number of attempts, and that's because of the philosophy of the Steeler offense. They're going to run the ball left, middle, and right no matter what. Ben has 7 game-winning drives in the 4th quarter already, and one that was blown by the defense against NE this year. He has that 4th quarter ability. Also like Palmer, he is a much more efficient QB than Elway. He makes lots of plays on the run and after contact from the defense. Still I'd say Eli to Elway is the best comparison.

Marino, Montana, and Elway are the great QBs, but I think Manning's putting himself with those guys, and Palmer is falling under his style. It's known that Palmer and Johnson look up to Manning and Harrison, and that's what they want to be.

[yeat182]

Only difference between Elway and Ben is the number of attempts, and that's because of the philosophy of the Steeler offense. They're going to run the ball left, middle, and right no matter what. Ben has 7 game-winning drives in the 4th quarter already, and one that was blown by the defense against NE this year. He has that 4th quarter ability. Also like Palmer, he is a much more efficient QB than Elway. He makes lots of plays on the run and after contact from the defense. Still I'd say Eli to Elway is the best comparison.

Marino, Montana, and Elway are the great QBs, but I think Manning's putting himself with those guys, and Palmer is falling under his style. It's known that Palmer and Johnson look up to Manning and Harrison, and that's what they want to be.

yeah, petyon is a great QB and will be on the list, i was just thinking of comparing this generation of QB's to the greats of the last generation.

[still_life]

Donovan McNabb - bastard child of Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham

He doesn't know if he wants to be a pocket passer, run the ball, and he still struggles reading defenses.

[Doug]

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Jake Plummer
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Daunte Culpepper
9. Trent Green
10. Drew Brees
11. Byron Leftwich
12. Marc Bulger
13. Eli Manning
14. Jake Delhomme
15. Chad Pennington
16. Mark Brunell
17. Drew Bledsoe
18. Brad Johnson
19. Jon Kitna
20. Brian Griese
21. Brett Favre
22. Steve McNair
23. Michael Vick
24. Kurt Warne
25. Aaron Brooks
26. Billy Volek
27. David Carr
28. Kerry Collins
29. Chris Simms
30. Philip Rivers
31. Joey Harrington
32. Trent Dilfer
33. Jeff Garcia
34. Charlie Frye
35. Rex Grossman
36. Kyle Boller
37. JP Losman
38. Brooks Bollinger
39. Gus Frerotte
40. Alex Smith

[mikeford]

dude

how is daunte culpepper even in the top 15 for you guys?

am i the only one who saw the vikings before he got hurt?

goddamn there are A LOT of bad QBs.

[Drew Beringer]

dude

how is daunte culpepper even in the top 15 for you guys?

am i the only one who saw the vikings before he got hurt?

goddamn there are A LOT of bad QBs.

Yeah, Culpepper sucks.

[mikeford]

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Matt Hasselbeck
7. Byron Leftwich
8. Trent Green
9. Jake Plummer
10. Drew Brees
11. Eli Manning
12. Marc Bulger
13. Jake Delhomme
14. Mark Brunell
15. Chad Pennington
16. Drew Bledsoe
17. Brad Johnson
18. Jon Kitna
19. Daunte Culpepper
20. Brian Griese
21. Brett Favre
22. Steve McNair
23. Michael Vick
24. Kurt Warner
25. Aaron Brooks
26. Billy Volek
27. David Carr
28. Kerry Collins
29. Chris Simms
30. Joey Harrington
31. Trent Dilfer
32. Jeff Garcia
33. Charlie Frye
34. Rex Grossman
35. Kyle Boller
36. Brooks Bollinger
37. JP Losman
38. Gus Frerotte
39. Doug Flutie
40. Kyle Orton
-69. Alex Smith

[still_life]

dude

how is daunte culpepper even in the top 15 for you guys?

am i the only one who saw the vikings before he got hurt?

goddamn there are A LOT of bad QBs.

Did you see them today? That whole "Brad Johnson 6-0" thing was because of the schedule, not the way he played. They beat one team with a winning record (Giants), and he had very very little to do with it. He was awful today, and threw two awful picks in the redzone. If it wasn't for a dumb Randle El fumble, Minnesota might have been shut out at home. Culpepper is on a team that has a poor running game, and the defense wasn't forcing turnovers like they have been with Johnson. They were asking him to do too much without his Pro Bowl center, and a new offensive coordinator. I'm sure he'll come back next year and be in elite form.

[lesto17]

Yeah, Culpepper sucks.



Agreed. If he comes back next year and starts (which he probably will) I will lose all faith in the Minnesota coaching staff. If they were smart they would get rid of him, because even though he is terrible his name recognition alone could be enough to maybe scam a team looking for a new QB.

[justinevans]

where is sage rosenfels? i mean come on. it is sage.

[LeftWideOpen]

1.Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Jake Plummer
5. Donovan McNabb
6. Matt Hasselbeck
7. Byron Leftwich
8. Marc Bulger
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Daunte Culpepper
11. Trent Green
12. Steve McNair
13. Drew Bledsoe
14. Jake Delhomme
15. Drew Brees
16. Brett Favre
17. Mike Vick
18. Mark Brunell
19. Eli Manning
20. David Carr
21. Kurt Warner
22. Aaron Brooks
23. Rex Grossman
24. Chris Simms
25. Kerry Collins
26. Charlie Frye
27. Jeff Garcia
28. Alex Smith
29. Kyle Boller
30. Gus Frerotte
31. Brooks Bollinger
32. J.P Losman

Manning, Palmer, and Brady could be 1A, 1B, and 1C for me. Slight edge to Manning because of the numbers he consistently puts up. They can't be ignored.

Plummer has finally put together a great season because he isnt throwing the INT's - and there isnt a more naturally talented QB in the league besides Manning when he's on.

Hasselbeck is the most underrated ... Eli Manning the most overrated. Although Brees could give him a run.

J.P Losman doesnt deserve to wear an NFL uniform the way hes played. This was one of the worst draft picks I've ever seen a team stretch to - Patrick Ramsey is 10x the player he is. Bills management should be fired the morning after Week 17 and its because of that horrible choice. He'll be in the CFL in 4 years after hes failed and failed again with 1 or 2 more teams. He has the mentality of a 12 year old girl. He makes Ryan Leaf look like Morgan Freeman.

[yeat182]

are the power rankings for this season only or over the course of each career?

[still_life]

Losman sucks, but I'd still take him, Boller, and Bollinger over Alex Smith. He is looking to be a major bust, and yes, his passer rating is now a hot 26.6

[still_life]

are the power rankings for this season only or over the course of each career?

A combo of the past, present, and future.

[LeftWideOpen]

Losman sucks, but I'd still take him, Boller, and Bollinger over Alex Smith. He is looking to be a major bust, and yes, his passer rating is now a hot 26.6

The Bills made two major mistakes with Losman. First, was picking him.

Second, even if they thought he was a talent, they thought McGahee was good enough to make up for Losman. Big mistake. He's a solid RB but if you think about the dozen best RB's in the league, he fits somewhere near the back. You need freaking Barry Sanders if you're going to compensate for Losman.

[mikeford]

Losman sucks, but I'd still take him, Boller, and Bollinger over Alex Smith. He is looking to be a major bust, and yes, his passer rating is now a hot 26.6

thats an improvement over what it was before this weekend...

[Doug]

This season alone.
1. Peyton
2. Carson Palmer
3. Plummer
4. Brady
5. Hasselbeck

brady has more yards, touchdowns, higher completion percentage, higher quarterback rating than jake plummer.

[Doug]

Yeah but you've got to give it up for a guy who throws 16ints a year until this year. Sorry to offend the golden child

yeah, you really do have to give it up to that guy

[Doug]

insert matt leinart into my no. 4 spot and move everyone else down

[mikeford]

yeah but hes JAKE PLUMMER

[sundaysetsashes]

jake's team is winning because they have an all-around offense/defense

NE has no secondary

[DroppedUrPocket]

Johnny Unitas.

[still_life]

brady has more yards, touchdowns, higher completion percentage, higher quarterback rating than jake plummer.

Plummer has top 10 stats and more wins.

I mean, isn't that the exact argument Pats fans have used the last few years for Brady > Manning?

[Doug]

Plummer has top 10 stats and more wins.

I mean, isn't that the exact argument Pats fans have used the last few years for Brady > Manning?

over a pro-longed amount of time? yes.

for one season after a generally dissapointing career? no.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

This is my list, I think mine best suits reality. I want to see what you guys think.

VOICE YOUR OPINION.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Carson Palmer
3. Tom Brady
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Jake Plummer
6. Byron Leftwich
7. Drew Brees
8. Donovan McNabb
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Trent Green
11. Michael Vick
12. Eli Manning
13. Drew Bledsoe
14. Daunte Culpepper
15. Mark Brunell
16. Jake Delhomme
17. Chris Simms
18. Charlie Frye
19. Steve McNair
20. Kurt Warner
21. Mark Bulger
22. Kerry Collins
23. David Carr
24. Gus Frerotte
25. Jeff Garcia
26. Brett Favre
27. Aaron Brooks
28. JP Losman
29. Kyle Boller
30. Rex Grossman
31. Alex Smith
32. Brooks Bollinger

Super Bowl Pick:
Patriots vs. Seahawks

[still_life]

This is my list, I think mine best suits reality. I want to see what you guys think.

VOICE YOUR OPINION.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Carson Palmer
3. Tom Brady
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Jake Plummer
6. Byron Leftwich
7. Drew Brees
8. Donovan McNabb
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Trent Green
11. Michael Vick
12. Eli Manning
13. Drew Bledsoe
14. Daunte Culpepper
15. Mark Brunell
16. Jake Delhomme
17. Chris Simms
18. Charlie Frye
19. Steve McNair
20. Kurt Warner
21. Mark Bulger
22. Kerry Collins
23. David Carr
24. Gus Frerotte
25. Jeff Garcia
26. Brett Favre
27. Aaron Brooks
28. JP Losman
29. Kyle Boller
30. Rex Grossman
31. Alex Smith
32. Brooks Bollinger

Super Bowl Pick:
Patriots vs. Seahawks

Culpepper is better than Vick, by far. And Frye is way too high. I am intrigued that he's had 3 solid starts so far, but you really can't justify him being higher than 25.

[LeftWideOpen]

This is my list, I think mine best suits reality. I want to see what you guys think.

VOICE YOUR OPINION.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Carson Palmer
3. Tom Brady
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Jake Plummer
6. Byron Leftwich
7. Drew Brees
8. Donovan McNabb
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Trent Green
11. Michael Vick
12. Eli Manning
13. Drew Bledsoe
14. Daunte Culpepper
15. Mark Brunell
16. Jake Delhomme
17. Chris Simms
18. Charlie Frye
19. Steve McNair
20. Kurt Warner
21. Mark Bulger
22. Kerry Collins
23. David Carr
24. Gus Frerotte
25. Jeff Garcia
26. Brett Favre
27. Aaron Brooks
28. JP Losman
29. Kyle Boller
30. Rex Grossman
31. Alex Smith
32. Brooks Bollinger

Super Bowl Pick:
Patriots vs. Seahawks

Brees isnt the 7th best QB. He was a bust until last season - and the Chargers won that game despite him.

Bulger needs to be way higher than 21st. 5th in QB rating and 3rd in completion percentage. St.Louis has taken a big hit without him.

Also I'd put McNair and Favre a little higher because of their toughness and they've both proven they can win.

[still_life]

I really like Bulger. I think he might have led the league in passing yards the last three years if he could stay healthy for 16 games.

[LeftWideOpen]

I really like Bulger. I think he might have led the league in passing yards the last three years if he could stay healthy for 16 games.

me too. I'd probably put him 5th if he didnt get hurt.

[still_life]

He probably has the fastest release in the NFL. He makes smart, quick decisions, and he's very accurate on any pass. Teams know what's coming too, and he takes a lot of hits for it. I know people can argue Rams QBs are going to put up big numbers, but there's a better case for Bulger being the best since Warner in 01. The team couldn't win with Warner in 02, though Bulger came in with no experience and they won about 7 straight. Somehow they went with Warner again on opening day in 03, he fumbles six times, and Bulger takes over and leads them to a dramatic double OT playoff game against Carolina. Then you had last year and this year. Sure, Fitzpatrick was great against the Texans, but he's been awful since. Bulger isn't just a system QB.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

dude

how is daunte culpepper even in the top 15 for you guys?

am i the only one who saw the vikings before he got hurt?

goddamn there are A LOT of bad QBs.

Yeah I agree.

2-5 with him.

6-1 without.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Brees isnt the 7th best QB. He was a bust until last season - and the Chargers won that game despite him.

Bulger needs to be way higher than 21st. 5th in QB rating and 3rd in completion percentage. St.Louis has taken a big hit without him.

Also I'd put McNair and Favre a little higher because of their toughness and they've both proven they can win.

I noticed that I have Warner higher then Bulger. That's probably the only thing I'd change when it comes to putting Bulger higher.

Good point though.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

over a pro-longed amount of time? yes.

for one season after a generally dissapointing career? no.

I don't think he's career has been that dissapointing. The past three years he has been solid. Sure QB's have been solid for more years, but he's made it to the playoffs both years, and will again this year. You can't say that for Favre, McNair and Culpepper who people always rave about how good they are. I am a Plummer fan, def.

[still_life]

Yeah I agree.

2-5 with him.

6-1 without.

That's completely misleading, Minnesota was playing crap teams, and getting multiple turnovers a game and stopping the run, while Johnson managed the game. He played a real team yesterday and they got spanked. When they played another winning team during this stretch, the Giants, he did almost nothing, and they won because of 4 INTs, INT TD, punt TD, and kickoff TD.

[YouMadeTheScene]

if you are going to rank them why not use their passer rating?

[still_life]

if you are going to rank them why not use their passer rating?

You know that could obviously lead to inaccuracies.

[mikeford]

im not saying brad johnson is the fuckin savior, im just saying culpepper sucks.

[still_life]

Right, he's only like top 3 all time in career passer rating and completion percentage.

[mikeford]

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/football/nfl/img9091086.jpg

[still_life]

Look at that queer

[Doug]

Look at that queer

i used to think you were a robot, you may have just disproved this by displaying a sense of humor.

[still_life]

Alex Smith = Ryan Leaf with a "hey, want to buy some sweaters from Abercrombie?" attitude

Good description?

[justinevans]

Alex Smith = Ryan Leaf with a "hey, want to buy some sweaters from Abercrombie?" attitude

Good description?

I can totally see Alex Smith and Jeff Garcia doing a Gap Commercial...and oh yeah, good old Kordell also.

[YouMadeTheScene]

You know that could obviously lead to inaccuracies.

I didn't mean list them that way but if someone is going to make a case that FAVVVVVVRUH should be ahead of so many people go look at the fact that Warner, Simms, Collins, Dilfer, and the other Manning have better ratings then him right now.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Alex Smith is Akili Smith in White Form. Could run a little. West coast boy. System QB. High Pick. Low Value.

[mikeford]

I can totally see Alex Smith and Jeff Garcia doing a Gap Commercial...and oh yeah, good old Kordell also.

kordell aint no uncle tom... that dude aint wearin gap.

[yeat182]

Right, he's only like top 3 all time in career passer rating and completion percentage.

yeah, but that was with randy moss, without him, he has played pretty poorly. i've heard he has trouble going through his progressions because he would always look for moss if he got in trouble, now he has no security blanket.

[yeat182]

i think as long as your list has some combination of manning, brady, and palmer in the top 3 positions, your doing pretty good.

[still_life]

yeah, but that was with randy moss, without him, he has played pretty poorly. i've heard he has trouble going through his progressions because he would always look for moss if he got in trouble, now he has no security blanket.

He went about as many games without an effective Moss last year as he played this year. Minnesota's just not that good of a team right now. You have to give him another chance.

[Spicoli hey bud]

He went about as many games without an effective Moss last year as he played this year. Minnesota's just not that good of a team right now. You have to give him another chance.
Yea very true, however the Vikings are not as bad as you make them out to be right now.

[still_life]

Their record is a mirage, they've played some pretty bad teams.

[startBBtoday]

carson palmer >>>>> tom brady according to this thread