Political Tactics Like This Make Me Sick

[Jason Tate]

The Arctic drilling measure has been added (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/12/20/MNG87GAQC01.DTL) to a "must-pass" $453 billion military spending bill, which pays for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and offers aid to victims of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma.

[overoverme]

Thats stupid.
I thought that arctic drilling shit was over.
My roommate is ALL ABOUT stopping the arctic drilling.
And with shitty political tactics liek this, it might pass.

[SwingingMics]

i don't feel like posting at the end of the other thread that involved this. but to put your bush story about him authorizing 'spying' on individuals in perspective, go to Drudge Report (www.drudgereport.com) to read how Clinton and Carter approved the same thing

[thebestkylever]

that bush icon is starting to annoy the shit out of me.

[splitsecond]

Whats funny is a few years ago in my Congress class, we basically ran a simulated House, and I did this very thing and got it through.

I should be president. I would make tits the national mascot.

[Jason Tate]

i don't feel like posting at the end of the other thread that involved this. but to put your bush story about him authorizing 'spying' on individuals, go to Drudge Report (www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com)) to read how Clinton and Carter approved the same thing
Drudge is quite the reliable source. :rolleyes: Regardless, what happened in the past doesn't make what's happening right now any more right.

[ixbye]

Everyone in the room with me: "Those bastards!"

[Jason Tate]

Of course if Democrats vote against this - then they're not supporting the troops. Sneaky.

[Jason Tate]

that bush icon is starting to annoy the shit out of me.
Ditto.

[acowardforyou]

We cannot allow drilling in the Arctic. It needs to stay a wildlife refuge.

[TyroneShoolaces]

Our country is broke.
I'm pretty sure Henry Rollins is the only one who can fix it.

[splitsecond]

Our country is broke.
I'm pretty sure Henry Rollins is the only one who can fix it.

Ahem:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/cb/300px-Arnold-flexing.jpg

[the blues]

absolutepropaganda.net

i guess now that green day has made it kewl to h8 president bush cuz hes so0o0o lameee, jason tate jumped on the bandwagon too.

stop complaining, and go out to the polls.

[Jason Tate]

We cannot allow drilling in the Arctic. It needs to stay a wildlife refuge.
The right/wrong of the drilling isn't my point at all, the fact of how it was added onto this other bill was. I posted 53 band posts today, I felt the need to add some political drama in at the end of a long day. :headspin:

[radioodidty]

ATTN: Jason Tate

In case if you haven't realized it, the Democrats, Republicans and major third parties make profit off of our government's actions. Just by existing in America, by running this web site, eating the food you eat, wearing the clothes you wear (designer or not) all comes from corporations that exploit other people to make the product. By living as an American ever since the day you were born (as I was) we have been supporting indirectly these corporations. This is not cynicism, as I believe that cynicism is not a sign of intelligence. There are many examples that can be cited, Halliburton (re-construction projects), Wal-Mart (no child left behind support) as well as many others. It is OUR responsibility to alert others, this is our country more than it is theirs. There is no empire without the people, your parents along with mine and their generations past have worked hard to give us the lives we have today, but is people that are greedy that own these companies that are now exploiting us and the rest of humanity on this planet.

Government preys on the laziness of the human being. For example, the no smoking laws passed through out some states, this is the perfect example of government slowly taking the place of social interaction. Rather than talking to someone directly and asking them to politely put out a cigarette, or likewise, a law is now cited saying that smokers cannot smoke in certain areas. It is our duty to respect others wishes if we want our own to be respected. We do not need a oligarchy of billionaire's to tell us how to act and what to believe is socially acceptable.

Jason, you have a tool that is powerful enough to reach millions of youth on a daily basis. While it is under your ownership solely, you have the power to raise the awareness of people and to help them think critically by citing examples and presenting facts.

[Jason Tate]

absolutepropaganda.net

i guess now that green day has made it kewl to h8 president bush cuz hes so0o0o lameee, jason tate jumped on the bandwagon too.

stop complaining, and go out to the polls.
Do you type your reports for class like that? Only someone who hasn't been visiting this website since before "American Idiot" came out would make a comment like that.

[the blues]

ATTN: Jason Tate

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Jason, you have a tool that is powerful enough to reach millions of youth on a daily basis. While it is under your ownership solely, you have the power to raise the awareness of people and to help them think critically by citing examples and presenting facts.

/dick sucking

[the blues]

Do you type your reports for class like that? Only someone who hasn't been visiting this website since before "American Idiot" came out would make a comment like that.

no, my law school professors would not allow it.

why don't you do a bit more research before you start blaming the apocolypse on the president.

[Jason Tate]

no, my law school professors would not allow it.

why don't you do a bit more research before you start blaming the apocolypse on the president.
I'm unaware that this particular post had anything to do with the President. I believe it's dealing with the Senate and some shady tactics that I would find wrong regardless of which side of the political spectrum they occurred on. Do your law professors teach you anything about constructing an argument weaker (or completely different) then the one your opponent is actually making, in order to smash it down? Because that's what you just did.

[Jason Tate]

/dick sucking
I'm either shocked or calmly understanding that a "future lawyer" would make such a statement.

[radioodidty]

ATTN: The Blues

Law is the exploitation and representation of people who do not have the capacity to think on their own. Good career choice.

P.S It is not fellatio, I am pointing out facts. This website recieves many hits a day. Jason Tate the sole proprietor of this web page does own it.

[aminorthreat55]

Of course if Democrats vote against this - then they're not supporting the troops. Sneaky.
I can't wait to hear that every five minutes in 2006 and 2008.

[the blues]

I'm unaware that this particular post had anything to do with the President. I believe it's dealing with the Senate and some shady tactics that I would find wrong regardless of which side of the political spectrum they occurred on. Do your law professors teach you anything about constructing an argument weaker (or completely different) then the one your opponent is actually making, in order to smash it down? Because that's what you just did.

you sound so cranky. im not here to write a thesis paper about how lame you've become since you decided to become the 4th member of green day. im interested in the music news, not the liberal biased bullshit you occasionally post.

[satanisanerd]

It's about time we become more self relient in terms of oil.

[trjlangdon]

This happens all the time. It is nothing new

[radioodidty]

ATTN: The Blues

Can you cite a case in which drilling was approved in an enviroment that may or may not be greatly effected by the outcome of the drilling from lexis nexis or any other reliable source?


Although, what you said about the reporting on music news is true.

[anamericangod]

We cannot allow drilling in the Arctic. It needs to stay a wildlife refuge.

feel free to research what you're talking about before spouting out this shit.

the planned drilling has an extremely negligible effect on the wildlife. the entire area is not a wildlife refuge. there are many different categorizations of "Safety areas" and things of the sort.

most people have no fucking clue as to the specifics of what this drilling actually entails. all they hear is "oil" "bush" "wildlife" and then they flip their shit.

like anyone here would really even be affected by these supposed threats. don't pretend like you care. maybe 3 of you guys actually do. quit bitching and focus on some more important things.

[radioodidty]

Like what, gaining funding by the government only if you are a faith based charity? Wait, maybe the FISA courts approving spying on American's ever since 1972?

[Goodbye Forever]

like anyone here would really even be affected by these supposed threats. don't pretend like you care. maybe 3 of you guys actually do. quit bitching and focus on some more important things.

Mmm, yes. Because if you are not personally affected, it is irrelevant.

Being completely self-serving rules.

[Omar]

Whats funny is a few years ago in my Congress class, we basically ran a simulated House, and I did this very thing and got it through.

I should be president. I would make tits the national mascot.
Political views and everything be damned, I'd vote for you on that platform!

And to the gentleman in law school who comes across as a six year old, I do not see the partisian issue with this. These kind of riders onto bills are pathetic and sick, regardless of who does them. I believe that was the main point.

peace...

Omar

[splitsecond]

Government preys on the laziness of the human being. For example, the no smoking laws passed through out some states, this is the perfect example of government slowly taking the place of social interaction. Rather than talking to someone directly and asking them to politely put out a cigarette, or likewise, a law is now cited saying that smokers cannot smoke in certain areas. It is our duty to respect others wishes if we want our own to be respected. We do not need a oligarchy of billionaire's to tell us how to act and what to believe is socially acceptable.



The vast majority of smoking bans have been done at a local level, with many of those being by referendum. Tha majority doesnt want people giving them cancer at will, so they spoke up. Thats a pretty poor example.

[radioodidty]

You don't see it, the example is if someone asks a smoker to put out the cigarette the smoker should. Like wise if a smoker wishes to smoke he should ask if it's alright to smoke in the area. Do you really need a referendum to tell you how to respect someone else?

[splitsecond]

You don't see it, the example is if someone asks a smoker to put out the cigarette the smoker should. Like wise if a smoker wishes to smoke he should ask if it's alright to smoke in the area. Do you really need a referendum to tell you how to respect someone else?

Personally, no. Most people lack the high level of respect that I have though.

[anamericangod]

Mmm, yes. Because if you are not personally affected, it is irrelevant.

Being completely self-serving rules.

clearly not what the point of the statement was, buddy

[radioodidty]

So, then don't you think it would be more effective to help people start respecting each other rather than put a third party in charge? Even though the debate on what respect is and who delegates it seems so daunting...

[splitsecond]

So, then don't you think it would be more effective to help people start respecting each other rather than put a third party in charge? Even though the debate on what respect is and who delegates it seems so daunting...

If we could accomplish that, it would be great. However, I think that history proves how impossible that is.

[Kristina Marie]

you sound so cranky. im not here to write a thesis paper about how lame you've become since you decided to become the 4th member of green day. im interested in the music news, not the liberal biased bullshit you occasionally post.

Why do you keep bringing up Green Day? Are they your only argument behind why people dislike Bush? They haven't even done much to be political - "American Idiot," the song, is about media propaganda in general; it's not specific to the Bush Administration. (The only song I found anti-Bush in any way was "Holiday," but the lyrics are cryptic and definitely not in-your-face anyhow.) The album as a whole is a story, not a Bush-bashing fairytale.

I kind of stemmed off of the original topic, but I find it amusing and downright stupid when people blame GD on everything dealing with thinking Bush is a moron. People are able to make their own opinions, believe it or not!

[snowtires]

isn't this the same bill that's supposed to officially ban torture of prisoners of war? so, adding this drilling shit on means that means that, if they DON'T pass the bill, we're allowed to continue torturing people, but if they DO pass the bill, we're allowed to destroy one of the last unspoiled areas left on earth. hoo fucking rah for politicians. gooooooo pork!

this whole situation reminds me of that one simpsons with the meteor, where congress was about to vote on evacuating springfield, but some guy added on a rider to support the pornographic arts and the bill got voted down. that was a good episode.

[k0d1ak]

I'm so sick and tired of all this shit... quick everyone lets hide all the world's paper clips! OH AND STAPLES TOO!

[simonholmes]

pretty low of them to attach this...they will make billions off of oil leases, royalties, and bids but there wont be any oil coming out of there for about 10 years..the oil will last maybe a year...animal patterns will change...polar bear cubs and caribou calves will be abandoned and will die..there will be even more oil spills than there already is in the arctic which will cost millions or billions of dollars to clean up and oil drilling wouldnt have any effect on the price of gas at the pump and yes i researched this for a school report and have other information on this as well...go to www.oilonice.org (http://www.oilonice.org) and check out the short video if you want to know anymore about it

[xvalorous]

this whole situation reminds me of that one simpsons with the meteor, where congress was about to vote on evacuating springfield, but some guy added on a rider to support the pornographic arts and the bill got voted down. that was a good episode.

ha that episode was on last night on a local station.

[FreddyKrueger]

its about time they started drilling

[daaann mhmm]

yeah we are we talking about political things

[XpunkXroutineX]

Heres me wishing Anthrax on all the fat cats in Washington.

:D

[XpunkXroutineX]

So, then don't you think it would be more effective to help people start respecting each other rather than put a third party in charge? Even though the debate on what respect is and who delegates it seems so daunting...

My thoughts exactly, sorta.

[waggy]

all i can say is about fucking time. i do agree that the tactic sucks, but it's nothing new for washington, and we see it come from both sides.

[ActorInThisPlay]

absolutepropaganda.net

i guess now that green day has made it kewl to h8 president bush cuz hes so0o0o lameee, jason tate jumped on the bandwagon too.

stop complaining, and go out to the polls.
people like you make me sick...you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. get educated before you speak please.

[ActorInThisPlay]

if you think that Arctic drilling is going to help gas prices then you are more gullible then you think...we are still going to be mostly dependent on foreign oil, so this fixes absolutely nothing.

[KarateExplosion]

considering the fact that there is no viable alternative means as a source of power, despite our efforts to create one, cracking open an untapped resource is an inevitability. that stated, if we don't find a new means of generating power than by fossil fuel that is truly viable by 2040, we should start to really worry. however, for now, you are coming off as faux-political.

[eXcivory]

feel free to research what you're talking about before spouting out this shit.

the planned drilling has an extremely negligible effect on the wildlife. the entire area is not a wildlife refuge. there are many different categorizations of "Safety areas" and things of the sort.

most people have no fucking clue as to the specifics of what this drilling actually entails. all they hear is "oil" "bush" "wildlife" and then they flip their shit.

like anyone here would really even be affected by these supposed threats. don't pretend like you care. maybe 3 of you guys actually do. quit bitching and focus on some more important things.
" the planned drilling has an extremely negligible effect on the wildlife."
the planned drilling has an extremely negligible effect on the current oil "crisis" worldwide as well. I'm not actually sure if you do or don't know that, but let me break it down for us all simply. THIS IS GATEWAY legislation. Passage of such a plan opens doors for more drilling, not only in the ANWR, but in other preserved places. I'd like to see you present a "fact" that states continued drilling has a "negligible effect" on the wildlife.

But really, I do wonder if you actually just see this issue as a black and white one, or if you recognize that the underlying issue is the future of such projects and are simply trying to covert push such an agenda....:/

[andrewlterry]

This happens all the time. It is nothing new
What ever happened to Trajan Langdon? He was one of my favorite college basketball players.

[andrewlterry]

if you think that Arctic drilling is going to help gas prices then you are more gullible then you think...we are still going to be mostly dependent on foreign oil, so this fixes absolutely nothing.
If it's right or wrong I don't know, but we don't have to have majority of oil come from foreign countries. There's enough oil waiting to be drilled right under our own country (especially around where I am in Utah) and Alaska. We just haven't been able to drill here yet (environmentalists, etc) However, I do believe it's good to spread our money throughout the world. And yeah it would take like 10 years to actually the get the oil here.

[ActorInThisPlay]

considering the fact that there is no viable alternative means as a source of power, despite our efforts to create one, cracking open an untapped resource is an inevitability. that stated, if we don't find a new means of generating power than by fossil fuel that is truly viable by 2040, we should start to really worry. however, for now, you are coming off as faux-political.
no because in 2040 the oil left will be little to none...we need to start looking for other sources of power now. to anyone that says this won't have a negative effect on the environment is just plain retarded. you forget that in order to have the oil you need to have piplines and roads as well as all the equipment to drill the oil. Building this stuff will not only upset the wildlife but drive some species out, like the 100's of thousands of Caribou that migrate there during certain times of the year and use that place to mate.

drilling in the arctic would not lower gas prices by a substantial amount and the oil there won't even last us that long. we will still depend much on foreign oil. we need to spend our money on ways to get our country off of oil and into using more efficient sources of energy instead of drilling into our wildlife.

[theESCO]

absolutepropaganda.net

i guess now that green day has made it kewl to h8 president bush cuz hes so0o0o lameee, jason tate jumped on the bandwagon too.

stop complaining, and go out to the polls.
Dear Sir,

Obviously they do not teach common sense in law school school.

Respectfully,
Joshua Kraus Esq.

[Cali Dreaming]

Fucking asshole, that bastard needs to die already! >:o

[idobi]

considering the fact that there is no viable alternative means as a source of power, despite our efforts to create one, cracking open an untapped resource is an inevitability. that stated, if we don't find a new means of generating power than by fossil fuel that is truly viable by 2040, we should start to really worry. however, for now, you are coming off as faux-political.

The Department of Energy's own estimate puts the artic wildlife oil reserve at 11 billion barrels, of which not quite 6 billion will be recoverable using today's technology. The US consumes 20 million barrels per day, and going up.

Assuming our consumption stays the same, and we somehow manage to suck out ever available drop - we're talking about a supply that will last us 550 days. So yes, lets destroy the Arctic Wildlife Reserve for centuries for 18 months worth of oil...

[rufiocardtime]

people like you make me sick...you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. get educated before you speak please.

Your quote about creationists is just as bad. Stay away from dropping phrases like "you have no FUCKING clue what you are talking about" and telling people to get an education as if you're the most educated motherfucker around here. Statements like that don't further your cause the slightest bit.

The dude you just bashed makes an extremely valid point about bandwagons. Almost EVERY SINGLE post involving politics on this site tries to imply that pretty much every problem that our country faces is because of the Bush administration.

It's a COMPLETE bandwagon. I've never once read a post on here that implies that a liberal or democrat has contributed to some major domestic or global issue. What I infer mostly from this site is that the Bush administration is the biggest problem in the world...which is simply not true.

[TheUntitled]

since you decided to become the 4th member of green day


All arguement aside, I wouldn't mind being the fourth member of Green Day.

[TheUntitled]

if you think that Arctic drilling is going to help gas prices then you are more gullible then you think...we are still going to be mostly dependent on foreign oil, so this fixes absolutely nothing.


Exactly. The middle east has more hand jobs coming its way.

[SwingingMics]

Drudge is quite the reliable source. :rolleyes: Regardless, what happened in the past doesn't make what's happening right now any more right.
Drudge posts links to other sources. Much as you did with your CNN link. You can't call into question Drudge's reliability without questioning your own.

[histrionics22]

The Arctic drilling measure has been added (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/12/20/MNG87GAQC01.DTL) to a "must-pass" $453 billion military spending bill, which pays for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and offers aid to victims of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma.

This kind of stuff has been going on forever. Don't act like the Republicans invented this or are the first ones to use it. Stop being so one sided.

[AlreadyReady86]

Fucking asshole, that bastard needs to die already! >:o


you sir are a fool. i just wanted to make sure you knew that.

oh, and politics suck. don't get me wrong i mean i still pay attention to 'em and the news and whatnot, but they are in fact super lame.

[Bd4eva]

fuck george bush.

[yaefer]

no because in 2040 the oil left will be little to none...we need to start looking for other sources of power now. to anyone that says this won't have a negative effect on the environment is just plain retarded. you forget that in order to have the oil you need to have piplines and roads as well as all the equipment to drill the oil. Building this stuff will not only upset the wildlife but drive some species out, like the 100's of thousands of Caribou that migrate there during certain times of the year and use that place to mate.

drilling in the arctic would not lower gas prices by a substantial amount and the oil there won't even last us that long. we will still depend much on foreign oil. we need to spend our money on ways to get our country off of oil and into using more efficient sources of energy instead of drilling into our wildlife.

okay so how about somebody who has actually seen this area. i fucking live in alaska. ive been registered on this site for a while but i never post anything because i never really get involved in all the bullshit..i just like the news...but this issue is just stupid. nobody knows what kind of effect this is going to have on the wilderness. ive seen the fucking ANWR forest, and its great and all, but theres more land than you could possibly ever need. and for all the people who have been saying that its "the last untouched piece of earth" and all that shit, they should take a look around the rest of alaska. ANWR isnt the only place in alaska covered with woods and little cute caribous, because that would just be oh so saaaaaaad if they died :'( i totally agree that opening ANWR wont solve the fuel crisis, but seriously, its not going to ruin hundreds of thousands of caribou's lives or be anywhere near as bad as you might think its going to be.

[lou<>phillips]

ATTN: Jason Tate

In case if you haven't realized it, the Democrats, Republicans and major third parties make profit off of our government's actions. Just by existing in America, by running this web site, eating the food you eat, wearing the clothes you wear (designer or not) all comes from corporations that exploit other people to make the product. By living as an American ever since the day you were born (as I was) we have been supporting indirectly these corporations. This is not cynicism, as I believe that cynicism is not a sign of intelligence. There are many examples that can be cited, Halliburton (re-construction projects), Wal-Mart (no child left behind support) as well as many others. It is OUR responsibility to alert others, this is our country more than it is theirs. There is no empire without the people, your parents along with mine and their generations past have worked hard to give us the lives we have today, but is people that are greedy that own these companies that are now exploiting us and the rest of humanity on this planet.

Government preys on the laziness of the human being. For example, the no smoking laws passed through out some states, this is the perfect example of government slowly taking the place of social interaction. Rather than talking to someone directly and asking them to politely put out a cigarette, or likewise, a law is now cited saying that smokers cannot smoke in certain areas. It is our duty to respect others wishes if we want our own to be respected. We do not need a oligarchy of billionaire's to tell us how to act and what to believe is socially acceptable.

Jason, you have a tool that is powerful enough to reach millions of youth on a daily basis. While it is under your ownership solely, you have the power to raise the awareness of people and to help them think critically by citing examples and presenting facts.

I don't know why I get sucked into these ridiculous arguments among people who pretend like they know politics, but your being an idiot.

No-smoking laws are in place because smoking doesn't just affect the person using a cigarette. Whether it be a child who cannot leave the room and is forced to breath in the fumes and smoke, or just a person standing nearby who can smell it, other people have to put up with that crap. Those laws are meant to protect those people.

Another flaw in your argument is you think that corporations are indirectly responsible for this (somehow, I'm not sure why you even brought that up but whatever). But some of the biggest, most corrupt corporations are the ones that make tobacco, and for obvious reasons, they would not favor a no-smoking law.

Have you ever asked someone to stop smoking around you? Whether or not you're nice about it, they will always erupt in your face saying it's their right to smoke. That's why the law is in place, because most people need to know there's a punishment for what they're doing wrong. That's there are laws against murder and stealing.

As far as Jason Tate reaching millions of youth, all I ever see people write are things like "Tate's a douche" and "Cut the liberal bullshit", as if drilling in the arctic is really an issue of being left or right wing. It's bad no matter how you look at it. So quit being an elitist fuck. Only I'm allowed to criticize Tate or anyone else because I am the absolute moral authority.

[idobi]

For the record, the senate struck down ANWR drilling and passed the defense bill...

[ultimavirtues]

For the record, the senate struck down ANWR drilling and passed the defense bill...

Here's the article to prove it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051222/ap_on_go_co/arctic_drilling

[snowtires]

okay so how about somebody who has actually seen this area. i fucking live in alaska. ive been registered on this site for a while but i never post anything because i never really get involved in all the bullshit..i just like the news...but this issue is just stupid. nobody knows what kind of effect this is going to have on the wilderness. ive seen the fucking ANWR forest, and its great and all, but theres more land than you could possibly ever need. and for all the people who have been saying that its "the last untouched piece of earth" and all that shit, they should take a look around the rest of alaska. ANWR isnt the only place in alaska covered with woods and little cute caribous, because that would just be oh so saaaaaaad if they died :'( i totally agree that opening ANWR wont solve the fuel crisis, but seriously, its not going to ruin hundreds of thousands of caribou's lives or be anywhere near as bad as you might think its going to be.

yeah, i've been to alaska before and you're totally right. alaska is basically just endless unsettled land, with two or three cities and a handful of small towns. BUT, it's really the principle of the matter at stake here. our government holds nothing sacred. i mean, i guess maybe they shouldn't, seeing as there's that church/state thing, but still. drilling in the arctic isn't going to do anything more than prolong the inevitable; it'd be like trying to put out a forest fire with a thimble full of water. sure it might give us another ten-twenty years of oil but, in the meantime, they're going to have to fuck up a generous amount of land and animals and for what? a relatively small amount of oil? that's what sucks. yeah, there's plenty of land for the caribou, but that's not the point, it's that the government is looking for quick fixes when they should really be trying to find a legitimate long-term solution. it's great that they shot down that part of the bill, but i doubt this will be the last time we hear about arctic drilling.