Who is the best player in college basketball?

[Scott Weber]

Inspired by this article on ESPN. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=2267394 - the nationwide poll gives a slight edge to Morrison.


My personal vote goes to Adam Morrison. The guy is the complete package. He can board, he can handle, and he's just clutch beyond all belief. If you've seen him play, no explanation is needed. (obviously there's more to it than that...discuss)

[weezer182]

Adam Morrison easily. No one in college basketball dominates a game like he does

[somethingyellow]

Inspired by this article on ESPN. My personal vote goes to Adam Morrison. The guy is the complete package. He can board, he can handle, and he's just clutch beyond all belief. If you've seen him play, no explanation is needed.
yup definately agree, gotta love gonzaga right scott :wink: haha

[Scott Weber]

jesus 5 votes in like 2 minutes. Ha.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

its alll about A Mo

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Morrison. definitely. he has a much more complete game than Redick.

[Emopunkthrice]

Curtis Sumpter, but hes hurt right now I think?

[preppyak]

Adam Morrison easily. No one in college basketball dominates a game like he does
Did you not watch the Texas game, Reddick owned them.

I gave it to Morrison, but it is way too early in the season to tell. Look for either Ager or Brown to emerge from Michigan State as canidates as well, they have a tough Big 10 season that they have to show up for. Maybe even Rondo from Kentucky since he is without Morris for some games.

[itsjdiggity]

Tyus Edney

[hockey0001]

I voted for Morrison. I was really tempted to vote other, and list Rudy Gay. He has the potential to be better than both of those but he really hasnt had a coming out game like Morrison (vs Michigan State) and Reddcik (vs Texas). If Gay becomes more consistent and plays up to his potential (Marcus Williams coming back should help) he should enter the argument along side Morrison and Reddick.

[preppyak]

Tyus Edney
http://www.paulb.com/paintings/uctyus5x.jpg

[preppyak]

I voted for Morrison. I was really tempted to vote other, and list Rudy Gay. He has the potential to be better than both of those but he really hasnt had a coming out game like Morrison (vs Michigan State) and Reddcik (vs Texas). If Gay becomes more consistent and plays up to his potential (Marcus Williams coming back should help) he should enter the argument along side Morrison and Reddick.
Yeah, forgot about Gay earlier. He has a lot of athletic talent, but he seems to lack the desire to take over a game.

[Scott Weber]

I voted for Morrison. I was really tempted to vote other, and list Rudy Gay. He has the potential to be better than both of those but he really hasnt had a coming out game like Morrison (vs Michigan State) and Reddcik (vs Texas). If Gay becomes more consistent and plays up to his potential (Marcus Williams coming back should help) he should enter the argument along side Morrison and Reddick.
Gay's too young to be the best yet, IMO. He's too unpolished.

[hockey0001]

Yeah, forgot about Gay earlier. He has a lot of athletic talent, but he seems to lack the desire to take over a game.

He does, he seems too unselfish to be as great as his potential. He shows flashes of brilliance (Umass game - drained a 3, stole the ball, windmill dunk) Calhoun has been on him about it since last year that he has the ability to be the best player on the court every game and that he needs to be selfish and take over.


Heres a quote from Calhoun after the Umass game
"Rudy showed flashes. I would have liked to have Rudy have 35 tonight….I spent the whole halftime yelling at him…He had a choice of either facing me or UMass and he chose UMass. In every game he plays in, he’s too good not to be a dominant figure."

[halifaxsb86]

texas vs duke period

[Emopunkthrice]

Duke Pwned Texas.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i voted morrison.

although rudy gay will probably be the first player taken in the draft.

he could've been out of high school.

[Scott Weber]

Duke Pwned Texas.
Too bad Texas isn't even that good. Makes me want to start another thread - most overrated team in college basketball.

[Talib Scottie]

Morrison by far. If Reddick is a pure shooter and he can get hot and drop 40 but Morrison does everything else 10 times better.

[Talib Scottie]

Too bad Texas isn't even that good. Makes me want to start another thread - most overrated team in college basketball.
No shit, we know that now. I didnt think they'd recover from the Duke game, and if the Tennessee game was indication, I was right.

[Scott Weber]

No shit, we know that now. I didnt think they'd recover from the Duke game, and if the Tennessee game was indication, I was right.
i can't say i was suprised. texas is overrated every single year, in both football and basketball, but especially basketball. brian boddicker? how bad did that dude choke down the line for them in years past.

[preppyak]

Too bad Texas isn't even that good. Makes me want to start another thread - most overrated team in college basketball.

Hello West Virginia. They started fairly high in the Top 25, like 13ish. They have no wins against a quality opponent, including a loss to LSU. They lost to Texas 76-75, so thats why I give it to WVu over Texas.

Vest Virginia will also lose 2 of its next 4 game, Oklahoma and Villanova. They're remainign ranked opponents are UConn, UCLA, and Louisville, all games they lose. They will end the season with 0 wins against top 25 teams. They might not even make the tourney with that kind of resume. So much for Pittsnoggle

[Talib Scottie]

i can't say i was suprised. texas is overrated every single year, in both football and basketball, but especially basketball. brian boddicker? how bad did that dude choke down the line for them in years past.
I didnt think they'd beat Duke but I thought worst case scenario they'd lose by 10 or so. Honestly, I thought Duke was overrated but they performed and Josh McRoberts is nice.

[marrost]

I didnt think they'd beat Duke but I thought worst case scenario they'd lose by 10 or so. Honestly, I thought Duke was overrated but they performed and Josh McRoberts is nice.McRoberts is good, but Paulus has been the more consistent freshman.

[Talib Scottie]

McRoberts is good, but Paulus has been the more consistent freshman.
Ah, I haven;t seen him play much. I've lost touch in the last week or two.

[Scott Weber]

I didnt think they'd beat Duke but I thought worst case scenario they'd lose by 10 or so. Honestly, I thought Duke was overrated but they performed and Josh McRoberts is nice.
Duke shows up against good teams and then blows against teams they should be destroying. The talent on that team alone should be blowing everyone out by 20, but it just doesn't happen. Games with Duke end up being too close for comfort a lot of the time before they pull away at the last minute.

Arizona is a classic example of a very, very overrated college basketball program.

[preppyak]

Arizona is a classic example of a very, very overrated college basketball program.

They've had a few very good players, but not really a solid team. They should have murdered KU in that opening game, instead they just hung onto an 8-9 point lead until the final minutes. Then the loss to Houston and Western kentucky taking them to OT. Lute Olson needs to light a fire under that team, they aren't even in the Top 25

[Talib Scottie]

Arizona has accomplished nothing with NBA caliber talent for many years.

[Scott Weber]

They've had a few very good players, but not really a solid team. They should have murdered KU in that opening game, instead they just hung onto an 8-9 point lead until the final minutes. Then the loss to Houston and Western kentucky taking them to OT. Lute Olson needs to light a fire under that team, they aren't even in the Top 25
They've had amazing talent but sooooooooo incredibly overrated teams for several years now. I don't know what's going on there, but Lute cannot motivate that team to do anything big.

[marrost]

Arizona has accomplished nothing with NBA caliber talent for many years.If they didn't blow their 15 point lead against Illinois in the tournament last year, you would be saying differently. It's a shame that Stoudamire didn't show up to play. I'm still in awe of how good that game was.

[Scott Weber]

If they didn't blow their 15 point lead against Illinois in the tournament last year, you would be saying differently. It's a shame that Stoudamire didn't show up to play. I'm still in awe of how good that game was.
and that is why they are overrated.

[Talib Scottie]

If they didn't blow their 15 point lead against Illinois in the tournament last year, you would be saying differently. It's a shame that Stoudamire didn't show up to play. I'm still in awe of how good that game was.
Yeah it was

[NameTaken69]

i have to go with morrison, even though i love jj, its obvious they can both dominate games, but adam morrison is the more complete player. i think the rest of jj's game tends to be over looked and people think hes just a spot up shooter, i disagree because from what ive seen this year, he can go by people with ease and create contact to get to the line. they are both amazing but morrison can do everything so well

[marrost]

and that is why they are overrated.Not really, they put the best fight up all year (aside from UNC of course) against undefeted #1, without their best player doing much of anything.

I'm not saying that they're not overrated this year, but last year they had a solid team.

[Scott Weber]

Not really, they put the best fight up all year (aside from UNC of course) against undefeted #1, without their best player doing much of anything.

I'm not saying that they're not overrated this year, but last year they had a solid team.
I followed Pac-10 ball like a hawk last year, I watched them play all year. Unbelievably overrated. Washington was far better than them last year.

Zona always starts off preseason top 5-10 and always immediatley drops.

[weezer182]

I followed Pac-10 ball like a hawk last year, I watched them play all year. Unbelievably overrated. Washington was far better than them last year.

Zona always starts off preseason top 5-10 and always immediatley drops.the question is will washington win the pac 10 again this year?

[G-Unit]

its much easier to pick a big man in this situation, especially when he can bank a three at the buzzer to win the game. but my vote goes to redick just cause he works harder the whole game, hes more experienced, taught by better leaders, and i feel is more clutch at the end of a game. hes keeping duke at number one in the nation (though its still early) but nontheless hard to do. especially while teaching freshman and keeping the program strong.

[weezer182]

its much easier to pick a big man in this situation, especially when he can bank a three at the buzzer to win the game. but my vote goes to redick just cause he works harder the whole game, hes more experienced, taught by better leaders, and i feel is more clutch at the end of a game. hes keeping duke at number one in the nation (though its still early) but nontheless hard to do. especially while teaching freshman and keeping the program strong.morrison isnt a big man though. he is a small foward. as far as working harder i dont know what your basing that on. morrison plays extremely hard every game. he is constantly running off screens and always in motion. both have proven to be clutch. morrison is a better all around player because he does everything well.

[marrost]

I followed Pac-10 ball like a hawk last year, I watched them play all year. Unbelievably overrated. Washington was far better than them last year.

Zona always starts off preseason top 5-10 and always immediatley drops.I don't really think that it matters if Washington was better than them, which is also questionable. Arizona was one of the Elite 8 and like I said, lost by a hair and without production from their star (arguably the best shooter in the country last year).

Backing up Arizona's tournament credibilty versus Washington's, get this: Louisville beats UW in the Sweet 16, to go on to the Final Four and get pretty badly beaten by Illinois. Arizona put up a much bigger fight against UI in the Elite 8. UI beat Louisville by 15. Louisville beat Washington by 14. I'm interested to hear how they are so overrated. If anything, I think they were underrated.

[Scott Weber]

the question is will washington win the pac 10 again this year?
We're young, but our freshmen have really been performing. At this point we're clearly the favorite (8th in the nation) but I'm not sold until we beat a few more quality opponents. Gonzaga was a huge win for us though.

[aminorthreat55]

Check the sig.

[G-Unit]

morrison isnt a big man though. he is a small foward. as far as working harder i dont know what your basing that on. morrison plays extremely hard every game. he is constantly running off screens and always in motion. both have proven to be clutch. morrison is a better all around player because he does everything well.

hes bigger than jj, grabs more rebounds. im not saying morrison doesnt work hard, just jj works harder. also, when in clutch moments, the free throw line is vital. and jj clearly has the edge there.

[Jason Tate]

Too bad Texas isn't even that good. Makes me want to start another thread - most overrated team in college basketball.
Easy: Washington.

[Spicoli hey bud]

1) Morrison
2) Gay

[Jason Tate]

I followed Pac-10 ball like a hawk last year, I watched them play all year. Unbelievably overrated. Washington was far better than them last year.

Zona always starts off preseason top 5-10 and always immediatley drops.
#8.. yah, sure dropped.

[Jason Tate]

1) Morrison
2) Gay
Gay's not in the same class as what Adam has been doing this year.

[Jason Tate]

We're young, but our freshmen have really been performing. At this point we're clearly the favorite (8th in the nation) but I'm not sold until we beat a few more quality opponents. Gonzaga was a huge win for us though.
USC will beat you.. just watch.

[Jason Tate]

morrison isnt a big man though. he is a small foward. as far as working harder i dont know what your basing that on. morrison plays extremely hard every game. he is constantly running off screens and always in motion. both have proven to be clutch. morrison is a better all around player because he does everything well.
I'm not a big fan of Adam's shot selection as of late, this was very evident in the game versus E.Washington, he rushed shots and turned the ball over way too much. And I think JJ plays better off the ball then Adam.

[Spicoli hey bud]

its much easier to pick a big man in this situation, especially when he can bank a three at the buzzer to win the game. but my vote goes to redick just cause he works harder the whole game, hes more experienced, taught by better leaders, and i feel is more clutch at the end of a game. hes keeping duke at number one in the nation (though its still early) but nontheless hard to do. especially while teaching freshman and keeping the program strong.
I'd give the ball to Morrison at the end of a game over Reddick. JJ is one of the most talented shooters in a long time, but he has trouble creating at times. and JJ plays for Duke, an ACC pwerhouse so I don't see how you can give him credit for keeping the program strong." They will always be one of the top recruiting schools in the country.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Gay's not in the same class as what Adam has been doing this year.
not at all, I was just trying to show that I put Gay above REddick.

[Jason Tate]

not at all, I was just trying to show that I put Gay above REddick.
That's almost laughable. Gay will go before Morisson and Reddick in the draft, but he's not as good of a basketball player as either.

[Scott Weber]

I don't really think that it matters if Washington was better than them, which is also questionable. Arizona was one of the Elite 8 and like I said, lost by a hair and without production from their star (arguably the best shooter in the country last year).

Backing up Arizona's tournament credibilty versus Washington's, get this: Louisville beats UW in the Sweet 16, to go on to the Final Four and get pretty badly beaten by Illinois. Arizona put up a much bigger fight against UI in the Elite 8. UI beat Louisville by 15. Louisville beat Washington by 14. I'm interested to hear how they are so overrated. If anything, I think they were underrated.

So Arizona plays one good game and they're automatically better than Washington? That's such a weak argument, everyone uses it and everyone shoots it down. "So and so did this to them, and so and so played better in this one game, so therefore..." If that argument actually held anything, then Washington should have won the national championship in the 2000. It just doesn't work like that. Washington won the Pac-10 tournament last year, beating Arizona in the championship game. They beat Arizona in the regular season as well...so you can't really call Arizona the better team. No better comparison than head to head matchups, especially late in the season when you're fighting for March Madness seeds. If the seeding was actually fair, Washington (#1 seed) should never have faced Louisville (4 seed) until the Elite 8 anyways. Louisville got fucked in that bracket, and proved they were the best in it by getting to the Final 4.

All I'm saying is that Arizona is perenially picked in preseason polls way ahead of other teams who end up doing far better than them. Arizona's talent and program prestige gets them votes in the polls, more so than other teams. Fuck, SI picked them to be 6th in their pre-season poll, and they're already out of the top 25.

[somethingyellow]

hes bigger than jj, grabs more rebounds. im not saying morrison doesnt work hard, just jj works harder. also, when in clutch moments, the free throw line is vital. and jj clearly has the edge there.
how can u say morrison doesnt work as hard, just because he is taller? im sorry but your wrong. You really have no idea how hard each work. Sure maybe it is harder for reddick to do some things but that has nothing to do with working harder. Personally i think both work their asses off and there is no real way to say who works harder

[Scott Weber]

USC will beat you.. just watch.
See, ya keep saying that every week but Washington keeps on winning :) ('cept for Louisville...they were definitely better than us last year)

[G-Unit]

I'd give the ball to Morrison at the end of a game over Reddick. JJ is one of the most talented shooters in a long time, but he has trouble creating at times. and JJ plays for Duke, an ACC pwerhouse so I don't see how you can give him credit for keeping the program strong." They will always be one of the top recruiting schools in the country.

after this year, they have sophomores. after shelden and jj graduate who is going to lead their team? demarcus? come on, paulus and mcroberts have to keep it alive through jj's teaching. thats what i mean.

[Spicoli hey bud]

That's almost laughable. Gay will go before Morisson and Reddick in the draft, but he's not as good of a basketball player as either.
Rudy Gay is a better basketball player than JJ Reddick

[Jason Tate]

I'd give the ball to Morrison at the end of a game over Reddick. JJ is one of the most talented shooters in a long time, but he has trouble creating at times. and JJ plays for Duke, an ACC pwerhouse so I don't see how you can give him credit for keeping the program strong." They will always be one of the top recruiting schools in the country.
Zaga isn't any sort of slouch. I think both players have turned their games onto who new levels this year. Hell, JJ even made a comment earlier in the year, "I'm no Morrison" to press. I think in the long haul it will be interesting to see where the averages level out. If Adam plays like he did versus E.Washington, I don't think he'll end up as player of the year. We'll have to see.

[Scott Weber]

#8.. yah, sure dropped.
I said "immediately" meaning within the first few weeks they plummet.

[Jason Tate]

See, ya keep saying that every week but Washington keeps on winning :) ('cept for Louisville...they were definitely better than us last year)
USC just beat up UNC; I'd watch your back.

[G-Unit]

how can u say morrison doesnt work as hard, just because he is taller? im sorry but your wrong. You really have no idea how hard each work. Sure maybe it is harder for reddick to do some things but that has nothing to do with working harder. Personally i think both work their asses off and there is no real way to say who works harder

whats your point?

[Spicoli hey bud]

after this year, they have sophomores. after shelden and jj graduate who is going to lead their team? demarcus? come on, paulus and mcroberts have to keep it alive through jj's teaching. thats what i mean.
You still fail to realize who you're talking about. It's Duke! Their recruits are insane. Someone will step it up once it's their time to shine.

[Jason Tate]

I said "immediately" meaning within the first few weeks they plummet.
For what, the first time in 20 years? One of the longest streaks ever.

/Still assuming you're talking about Arizona.

[somethingyellow]

Rudy Gay is a better basketball player than JJ Reddick
no hes not, he has more potential but not better right now

[Jason Tate]

You still fail to realize who you're talking about. It's Duke! Their recruits are insane. Someone will step it up once it's their time to shine.
The same can, and should be said for almost all good basketball programs.

Speaking of recruits .. PAULUS AND MCROBERTS are the fucking men right now. 15 assists for Paulus last game, and then McRoberts putting on a show tonight .. I am very pleased.

[G-Unit]

Rudy Gay is a better basketball player than JJ Reddick

hell only go higher in the draft because the nba isnt basketball.

[Scott Weber]

USC just beat up UNC; I'd watch your back.
Haha, alright. UW is a better team than UNC this year anyways. We'll be fine. Your beef with Washington cracks me up, I don't get how you can hate on a team that is so fast-paced, energetic, and explosive. What started your hate for Washington? I'm honestly interested.

[Jason Tate]

Haha, alright. UW is a better team than UNC this year anyways. We'll be fine. Your beef with Washington cracks me up, I don't get how you can hate on a team that is so fast-paced, energetic, and explosive. What started your hate for Washington? I'm honestly interested.
Cause they suck? And wear purple? And their coach is the most annoying human being in the history of the world?

No, really only because you like them and I have to cheer against someone! I'm a big Zag fan, and they're enemies - so that works.

[Scott Weber]

For what, the first time in 20 years? One of the longest streaks ever.

/Still assuming you're talking about Arizona.
i didn't say plummet out of the top 25....they only did that this year. I'm SAYING that they are always picked like top 1-6 in the league but rarely ever finish there, and they typically lose early and end up spending the season in the 10-20 range. In recent years, at least.

[G-Unit]

You still fail to realize who you're talking about. It's Duke! Their recruits are insane. Someone will step it up once it's their time to shine.

what does that means? youre forgetting recruits come in as freshman. you need leaders, not freshman. come on, look at unc. theres a team of remarkable freshman but wont go far in the tourn cause lack of leadership and older players. granted i love roy williams, but yo uknow what i mean

[Spicoli hey bud]

The same can, and should be said for almost all good basketball programs.
Duke is atop that list right now. UNC and UConn as well. UCLA has always been solid too. However, Georgetown and UCLA are good examples of schools that have dropped off a little.

[Jason Tate]

i didn't say plummet out of the top 25....they only did that this year. I'm SAYING that they are always picked like top 1-6 in the league but rarely ever finish there, and they typically lose early and end up spending the season in the 10-20 range. In recent years, at least.
Yah, but they always do well in the post-season, or have done fairly well recently if I remember right. They would have torn Washington up last year if they were in their bracket .. I'm not even an arizona fan (i hate walton) so .. who cares? haha..

[G-Unit]

The same can, and should be said for almost all good basketball programs.

Speaking of recruits .. PAULUS AND MCROBERTS are the fucking men right now. 15 assists for Paulus last game, and then McRoberts putting on a show tonight .. I am very pleased.

that duo is going to be nasty in the next few years

[Jason Tate]

Duke is atop that list right now. UNC and UConn as well. UCLA has always been solid too. However, Georgetown and UCLA are good examples of schools that have dropped off a little.
UCLA had a close one tonight.

I think Texas Tech, Zaga, Louisville, and Wake Forest are starting to have more clout as well in the NCAA though...

[Scott Weber]

Cause they suck? And wear purple? And their coach is the most annoying human being in the history of the world?

No, really only because you like them and I have to cheer against someone!
.....how can you say that about Romar? Honestly, he's the most personable, positive, and nicest coach in college basketball right now. As we waited in line for 5 hours to get into the gonzaga game he came out and hung out with the fans, last year when we camped out for Arizona (who we smoked) he showed up in the morning with a dozen boxes of Krispy Kreme donuts. He never gets down on his players, he's beyond nice to the media and fans, I just don't see it. And if we "suck" how come we keep winning? How come we got a #1 seed? And ruin Stanford's perfect season? And keep beating Arizona?

[Scott Weber]

Yah, but they always do well in the post-season, or have done fairly well recently if I remember right. They would have torn Washington up last year if they were in their bracket .. I'm not even an arizona fan (i hate walton) so .. who cares? haha..
Would they have? Funny considering we smoked them TWICE last year, including the Pac-10 title game.

[Jason Tate]

.....how can you say that about Romar? Honestly, he's the most personable, positive, and nicest coach in college basketball right now. As we waited in line for 5 hours to get into the gonzaga game he came out and hung out with the fans, last year when we camped out for Arizona (who we smoked) he showed up in the morning with a dozen boxes of Krispy Kreme donuts. He never gets down on his players, he's beyond nice to the media and fans, I just don't see it. And if we "suck" how come we keep winning? How come we got a #1 seed? And ruin Stanford's perfect season? And keep beating Arizona?
1) because you play in the pac-10, 2) because he flipped out and ripped his coat off, 3) stanford was always over-rated, 4) i dunno, i hate arizona too.

[Spicoli hey bud]

what does that means? youre forgetting recruits come in as freshman. you need leaders, not freshman. come on, look at unc. theres a team of remarkable freshman but wont go far in the tourn cause lack of leadership and older players. granted i love roy williams, but yo uknow what i mean
HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm forgetting that recruits come in as freshman? What does that even mean. That's like saying I forgot that I have a dick. We're talking about the college system, and this is exactly how it works. These freshman you speak of, develop into great ballplayers. You said before that you don't think that Duke's young talent is that good. But now you're saying that UNC has great young talent, but they won't be good quite yet? You're talking in circles.

[Jason Tate]

Would they have? Funny considering we smoked them TWICE last year, including the Pac-10 title game.
If Louisville can tear Washington apart, it would have just been right for Arizona to finally win one. I mean, the purple-warriors were never a #1 seed. :P I love getting you worked up ..

[Spicoli hey bud]

UCLA had a close one tonight.

I think Texas Tech, Zaga, Louisville, and Wake Forest are starting to have more clout as well in the NCAA though...
Most definitely Gonzaga recently. Louisville and Wake has always been pretty solid. TT is one of those up and down teams.

[Jason Tate]

The biggest JJ/Duke test will be the next 5 games ... Bucknell is a strong team, then they hit ACC play, and I think the character of where Duke will be at the end of this year will be shown in the next 5 games.

Remember all but 3 Duke games are on TV; however, Morisson slinks into conference play, most of which aren't shown nationally outside of the pacific northwest. So that may effect NPOTY as well.

[Scott Weber]

1) because you play in the pac-10, 2) because he flipped out and ripped his coat off, 3) stanford was always over-rated, 4) i dunno, i hate arizona too.
Romar ripped off his coat in disbelief, the refs in that game were fucking terrible, I sat courtside and saw every single missed call, and the one in question was absolutely ridiculous. Romar's been a coach for god knows how many years, many before UW, and he has 3 technicals - ever. Pretty fun to judge a man based on one game in which his team beat your Zags, wouldn't you say? I still don't get the hate, but whatever. Hatred and love is what makes college bball fun.

[Scott Weber]

If Louisville can tear Washington apart, it would have just been right for Arizona to finally win one. I mean, the purple-warriors were never a #1 seed. :P I love getting you worked up ..
haha right....cuz that makes sense. I love watching you get worked up, when you just come into any thread where I talk about Washington and just start ripping into them...makes for some entertaining nights in the sports forum!

[Spicoli hey bud]

The biggest JJ test will be the next 5 games ... Bucknell is a strong team, then they hit ACC play, and I think the character of where Duke will be at the end of this year will be shown in the next 5 games.
I cannot wait for ACC play. Such an unbelievable conference, and they're bound to hit a rough patch somewhere along the way. Maybe they can actually beat Maryland this season.:shake:

[Jason Tate]

Romar ripped off his coat in disbelief, the refs in that game were fucking terrible, I sat courtside and saw every single missed call, and the one in question was absolutely ridiculous. Romar's been a coach for god knows how many years, many before UW, and he has 3 technicals - ever. Pretty fun to judge a man based on one game in which his team beat your Zags, wouldn't you say? I still don't get the hate, but whatever. Hatred and love is what makes college bball fun.
:) It was hillarious, and it wasn't a bad call. It was a home game, you whinners got all sorts of calls you shouldn't have in your favor!

[somethingyellow]

oh how i wish gonzaga and uw could play once more this year

[Jason Tate]

I cannot wait for ACC play. Such an unbelievable conference, and they're bound to hit a rough patch somewhere along the way. Maybe they can actually beat Maryland this season.:shake:
Maryland will win one against Duke, I'm calling it now.

[marrost]

Would they have? Funny considering we smoked them TWICE last year, including the Pac-10 title game.I can't give a whole rant because I'm studying. But you didn't smoke anyone dude. You didn't even win by 10 in either game.

[Jason Tate]

oh how i wish gonzaga and uw could play once more this year
Me too. I heard Morrisson was so pissed they lost he decided to come out at the end of the year after that game. That's what local papers, and my inside source at the school said at least.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Maryland will win one against Duke, I'm calling it now.
And I'll be there.

[marrost]

Maryland will win one against Duke, I'm calling it now.They'll win a home game unless Redick doesn't let it get to his head like he did last year.

[Scott Weber]

:) It was hillarious, and it wasn't a bad call. It was a home game, you whinners got all sorts of calls you shouldn't have in your favor!
it sure seemed like a road game. i've had season tickets for 3 years and i've never heard the place rock so loud with boos. Watching it on TV doesn't even compare to what happened at that place. If anything Gonzaga is the one who gets calls since the refs pretty much let Morrison do whatever he wants, and if you even raise a hand at him when he shoots they blow the whistle...regardless of location.

[Jason Tate]

haha right....cuz that makes sense. I love watching you get worked up, when you just come into any thread where I talk about Washington and just start ripping into them...makes for some entertaining nights in the sports forum!
Hey, if I can't rip on Scott's team I got nothing else to do with my night! If I didn't give you shit, then your victories wouldn't be as sweet!

Hahaa.

[weezer182]

im not sold on washington this year. the one thing i dont like about uw is how they didnt schedule a road game the whole preseason. only one game was a neutral site. yea they are 8 right now but that will fall once league starts. ucla, washington, arizona and cal will be contending. i wouldnt be surprised if cal does really well since powe is back

[Jason Tate]

it sure seemed like a road game. i've had season tickets for 3 years and i've never heard the place rock so loud with boos. Watching it on TV doesn't even compare to what happened at that place. If anything Gonzaga is the one who gets calls since the refs pretty much let Morrison do whatever he wants, and if you even raise a hand at him when he shoots they blow the whistle...regardless of location.
A foul's a foul.

[Jason Tate]

im not sold on washington this year. the one thing i dont like about uw is how they didnt schedule a road game the whole preseason. only one game was a neutral site. yea they are 8 right now but that will fall once league starts. ucla, washington, arizona and cal will be contending. i wouldnt be surprised if cal does really well since powe is back
Washington's scheduling has never been very intimidating.

[weezer182]

Romar ripped off his coat in disbelief, the refs in that game were fucking terrible, I sat courtside and saw every single missed call, and the one in question was absolutely ridiculous. Romar's been a coach for god knows how many years, many before UW, and he has 3 technicals - ever. Pretty fun to judge a man based on one game in which his team beat your Zags, wouldn't you say? I still don't get the hate, but whatever. Hatred and love is what makes college bball fun.i watched that game and i disagree the refs werent horrible. uw got calls too

[somethingyellow]

Me too. I heard Morrisson was so pissed they lost he decided to come out at the end of the year after that game. That's what local papers, and my inside source at the school said at least. its hard to see morrison staying one more year at least in my eyes. i really want to see him stay one more year though. i remember going to watch him play as a freshman and knew he would be really special, i never imagined being this good so fast though

[Jason Tate]

They'll win a home game unless Redick doesn't let it get to his head like he did last year.
I think he'll be better this year, in the games I've seen where he gets mad - he gets better. This is a huge improvement over years in the past.

[Jason Tate]

its hard to see morrison staying one more year at least in my eyes. i really want to see him stay one more year though. i remember going to watch him play as a freshman and knew he would be really special, i never imagined being this good so fast though
Yah, I know cheerleaders at Zaga and I'm trying to get someone to get me his autograph like a total fan-boy. I love the kid ...

[Scott Weber]

I can't give a whole rant because I'm studying. But you didn't smoke anyone dude. You didn't even win by 10 in either game.
smoke is relative. i know we didn't "smoke them," I was providing a hyperbole like Jason does by calling Romar the "most annoying person in the entire world." But both were solid wins.

[Scott Weber]

Hey, if I can't rip on Scott's team I got nothing else to do with my night! If I didn't give you shit, then your victories wouldn't be as sweet!

Hahaa.
Haha now THERE is some truth!!! Cept I still root for Gonzaga and Duke. I wish I hated the teams you loved, that'd be more fun.

[weezer182]

morrison should be a top 5 pick easy

[Jason Tate]

smoke is relative. i know we didn't "smoke them," I was providing a hyperbole like Jason does by calling Romar the "most annoying person in the entire world." But both were solid wins.
http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/june02/images/briefings_romar.jpg


Hahahaha.. :)

[marrost]

I cannot wait for ACC play. Such an unbelievable conference, and they're bound to hit a rough patch somewhere along the way. Maybe they can actually beat Maryland this season.:shake:Haha shut up that's all your dirty Terps will ever do. Sweep Duke in one season.

I give them more credit for that than for their one championship.

[Scott Weber]

Yah, I know cheerleaders at Zaga and I'm trying to get someone to get me his autograph like a total fan-boy. I love the kid ...
I used to watch Morrison play HS ball at Mead in Spokane, i have a ton of friends that went to Mead with him...I guess he was a complete douchebag in HS, but when you're that good I guess you can be.

[Jason Tate]

Haha now THERE is some truth!!! Cept I still root for Gonzaga and Duke. I wish I hated the teams you loved, that'd be more fun.
Hmmm.. sorry? Heh, you can beat up on UofO if you want?

[Scott Weber]

remember when U Mass was good? Ha

[G-Unit]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm forgetting that recruits come in as freshman? What does that even mean. That's like saying I forgot that I have a dick. We're talking about the college system, and this is exactly how it works. These freshman you speak of, develop into great ballplayers. You said before that you don't think that Duke's young talent is that good. But now you're saying that UNC has great young talent, but they won't be good quite yet? You're talking in circles.

no im not, you just cant comprehend.

1. unc has great talent, but no upperclassmen to lead them through the tourn, or past usc.
2. i never said dukes young talent isnt good, theyr fucking unbelievable. with much help from coach k, jj and other upperclassmen leaders. understand? next lesson will be the first grade

[Scott Weber]

Hmmm.. sorry? Heh, you can beat up on UofO if you want?
haha when they had the Luke brothers they were good!

[Jason Tate]

I used to watch Morrison play HS ball at Mead in Spokane, i have a ton of friends that went to Mead with him...I guess he was a complete douchebag in HS, but when you're that good I guess you can be.
I hear he's a compete douche bag in real life now. I was hanging out with one of the cheerleaders a few nights ago, and she said she was afraid to ask for his autograph for me because he would say something like, "come back to my place with me" - because I guess he always is trying to get on chicks with his stash. Hell .. he's fucking good, I can see how he could be a dick.

How good was he in highschool?

[weezer182]

haha when they had the Luke brothers they were good!except choked in the tourny. i was pissed when they lost to utah

[somethingyellow]

Yah, I know cheerleaders at Zaga and I'm trying to get someone to get me his autograph like a total fan-boy. I love the kid ...
haha that thought crossed my mind after the wcc championship game, i stayed around to wait for a friend and the whole gonzaga team came out but i just didnt feel right going up to somebody my own age asking for one, fuck i should have though

[Jason Tate]

except choked in the tourny. i was pissed when they lost to utah
Me too. Utah was good though ..

[Spicoli hey bud]

Haha shut up that's all your dirty Terps will ever do. Sweep Duke in one season.

I give them more credit for that than for their one championship.
It's not as if that national title was that long ago...
and we got another one coming this year.

[Scott Weber]

I hear he's a compete douche bag in real life now. I was hanging out with one of the cheerleaders a few nights ago, and she said she was afraid to ask for his autograph for me because he would say something like, "come back to my place with me" - because I guess he always is trying to get on chicks with his stash. Hell .. he's fucking good, I can see how he could be a dick.

How good was he in highschool?
he was good, but I mean, I didn't think he'd amount to what he was now. He's a total junk-baller, just pwning HS players left and right with no-business shots. Didn't think it'd fly as well in college, let alone the NBA...he's really suprised me.

[Jason Tate]

It's not as if that national title was that long ago...
and we got another one coming this year.
WOaaaaah.. think they can make it to the NCAA this year? The NIT (not in tourny) wasn't so hot last year.

[weezer182]

Me too. Utah was good though ..yea and underrated in my mind. oregon had such a hard time with their defense

[Spicoli hey bud]

WOaaaaah.. think they can make it to the NCAA this year? The NIT (not in tourny) wasn't so hot last year.
losing 5 in a row at the end of the season when all you need is 1 win. That's a choke at it's finest. The team is still maturing, and the talent is only getting better. NCAA for sure.

[G-Unit]

It's not as if that national title was that long ago...
and we got another one coming this year.

haha did you forget your loss to gw that fast? just cause you slid by BC at home by 2 points doesnt mean you can do that against the number one team in the nation. oh and your boy blake gave up the game to memphis the other night

[Jason Tate]

losing 5 in a row at the end of the season when all you need is 1 win. That's a choke at it's finest. The team is still maturing, and the talent is only getting better. NCAA for sure.
I think Cainer Medly (spelling) is one of the biggest choke players I've ever seen. I used to like him, but he really fucking bugged me last year - can't explain why really though.

[Spicoli hey bud]

I think Cainer Medly (spelling) is one of the biggest choke players I've ever seen. I used to like him, but he really fucking bugged me last year - can't explain why really though.
He sucks, but seems to thrive in front of national audiences. He really isn't that good at all. He gets way too much exposure.

[weezer182]

this is a nice thread you started scott :D

[Spicoli hey bud]

haha did you forget your loss to gw that fast? just cause you slid by BC at home by 2 points doesnt mean you can do that against the number one team in the nation. oh and your boy blake gave up the game to memphis the other night
GW is ranked 13. What's wrong with that loss???? AndIf you watched that BC game, you'd know it was basically controlled by Maryland. BC was taken out of their element and never really had a legit shot to win.

[Scott Weber]

this is a nice thread you started scott :D
yeah it's grown nicely!

[somethingyellow]

fuck texas,i wish gonzaga could have scheduled that duke game to see reddick and morrison compete against each other

[Jason Tate]

GW is ranked 13. What's wrong with that loss???? AndIf you watched that BC game, you'd know it was basically controlled by Maryland. BC was taken out of their element and never really had a legit shot to win.
Hahaha.. I still want to laugh in BC's faces for that pass at the end of the game.

[Jason Tate]

fuck texas,i wish gonzaga could have scheduled that duke game to see reddick and morrison compete against each other
Good god it gives me shivers.

The thing about Zaga is they find a way to win, they just don't ever dominate the teams they should. Duke pretty convincingly (most of the time / fucking Virginia) wins their games they should.

[weezer182]

Good god it gives me shivers.

The thing about Zaga is they find a way to win, they just don't ever dominate the teams they should. Duke pretty convincingly (most of the time / fucking Virginia) wins their games they should.duke plays well against all good teams but for some reason they have had some problems with the not so good teams. then again gonzaga is the same way

[somethingyellow]

Good god it gives me shivers.

The thing about Zaga is they find a way to win, they just don't ever dominate the teams they should. Duke pretty convincingly (most of the time / fucking Virginia) wins their games they should. i was talking about that with my dad the other day, gonzaga seems to step up and play the really good teams well and win a lot but when they are playing average teams they should be killing they just don't blow them out. Oh well they are still winning thats what i care about most

[Jason Tate]

duke plays well against all good teams but for some reason they have had some problems with the not so good teams. then again gonzaga is the same way
I think it's a case of playing down to their level, I dunno. I just hope they both do really well in March/April. I swear I'll cry if Duke wins the national championship.

/enough being a girl for one night.

[G-Unit]

GW is ranked 13. What's wrong with that loss???? AndIf you watched that BC game, you'd know it was basically controlled by Maryland. BC was taken out of their element and never really had a legit shot to win.

yes now they are 13, not at the time though. taken out of their element? they lost by 2 points. duke took texas out of their element.......and won by like 30 points?

[weezer182]

I think it's a case of playing down to their level, I dunno. I just hope they both do really well in March/April. I swear I'll cry if Duke wins the national championship.

/enough being a girl for one night.would you rather see duke or gonzaga win it all?

[Spicoli hey bud]

I swear I'll cry if Duke wins the national championship.
I'm loving this quote right now

[G-Unit]

I think it's a case of playing down to their level, I dunno. I just hope they both do really well in March/April. I swear I'll cry if Duke wins the national championship.

/enough being a girl for one night.

and all those games duke has still won, they know what they need to do, and do it. even if it is dockery making a 40 ft three pointer. boo yah

[somethingyellow]

I think it's a case of playing down to their level, I dunno. I just hope they both do really well in March/April. I swear I'll cry if Duke wins the national championship.

/enough being a girl for one night.
me too, just not tears of happiness haha

[Spicoli hey bud]

yes now they are 13, not at the time though. taken out of their element? they lost by 2 points. duke took texas out of their element.......and won by like 30 points?
You still have shown nothing. You need to know a little more to make claims such as these. GW may not have been 13 at the time, but they were 19.

[Jason Tate]

me too, just not tears of happiness haha
Hahaha..

I'm an emo bitch.

[G-Unit]

You still have shown nothing. You need to know a little more to make claims such as these. GW may not have been 13 at the time, but they were 19.

haha what are you talking about? youre just wrong. duke is a better team. go home

[G-Unit]

and yes gw was 19. but duke beat 2 - texas, 11 - memphis, and i think IU was 16 when they beat them AT HOME. IU had their first ever pep rally before the game and told everyone to wear white to cast a white out effect, and duke still won.

[Spicoli hey bud]

haha what are you talking about? youre just wrong. duke is a better team. go home
Wrong would mean I had my facts incorrect. I did not do that. You try to claim that losing to a 13 ranked team (19) at the time is horrible. Not once did I say Maryland was a better team than Duke. I do believe however, that they could, and will win at least a game against them. If you can't have a normal argument, why don't you "go home" Mr. "steel train is the most underrated band right now.

[Spicoli hey bud]

and yes gw was 19. but duke beat 2 - texas, 11 - memphis, and i think IU was 16 when they beat them AT HOME. IU had their first ever pep rally before the game and told everyone to wear white to cast a white out effect, and duke still won.
Because a white out is incredibly effective?

[G-Unit]

Because a white out is incredibly effective?

haha you just try to refute everything i say, its fun to make you mad. you exaggerate everything i say to try and make a point too. im really flattered the sight of my name gives you a hard on.

[G-Unit]

Because a white out is incredibly effective?

point - the whole school tried rocking assembly hall so IU could beat duke at home....and they failed.

[Spicoli hey bud]

point - the whole school tried rocking assembly hall so IU could beat duke at home....and they failed.
Indiana is nowhere near Duke's level skillwise. Nothing could change that.

[G-Unit]

Indiana is nowhere near Duke's level skillwise. Nothing could change that.

once again, did you not see marco killingsworth put up 34 points? he alone could have won that game for them. and if they had dj white that game they very well could have won it.

[Spicoli hey bud]

once again, did you not see marco killingsworth put up 34 points? he alone could have won that game for them. and if they had dj white that game they very well could have won it.
so the players failed?

[G-Unit]

you said IU was nowehre near dukes level skillwise.

[hockey0001]

That's almost laughable. Gay will go before Morisson and Reddick in the draft, but he's not as good of a basketball player as either.

By the end of the season and come tourny time I bet he will be. Once marcus williams gets back Uconn will have a pg that can penetrate to open up shots for Rudy and who can also feed Rudy the ball for some easy buckets.

[Broken Parachute]

I haven't watched alot of College Basketball the past 3 years or so, but since I know JJ Reddick I'll say him.

[Scott Weber]

I haven't watched alot of College Basketball the past 3 years or so, but since I know JJ Reddick I'll say him.
haha ok, well thought out argument.

[Broken Parachute]

Haha, well from what I've seen this season everyone is talking about JJ Redick and how good he is. So he must be good. The only thing I know about him is he's a good perimiter shooter.

[itsjdiggity]

George Zidek

[preppyak]

By the end of the season and come tourny time I bet he will be. Once marcus williams gets back Uconn will have a pg that can penetrate to open up shots for Rudy and who can also feed Rudy the ball for some easy buckets.
Actually, i think Williams will help the team, but it will hurt Gay. He will have even more of an opportunity to hide from his potential, since there will be another player there to take over games. The man should be leading the nation in scoring without Williams, not averaging only 17. Also, his assist to TO ration is terrible, and percentage wise he is the 2nd worst shooter of the starters and players that come off the bench and get minutes for UConn.

Here is an interesting look for people:

JP Batista (Gonzaga) - 20.1ppg (56.7% shooting), 8.2 rpg
Shelden Williams (Duke) - 18.3ppg (48.9% shooting), 9.3 rpg, 3.8bpg
Rodney Carney (Memphis) - 17.5 ppg (45.9% shooting), 5.8 rpg, 1.4bpg
Paul Davis (Mich St) - 20.1ppg (64.3% shooting), 10.1 rpg
Gay (UCONN) - 17.2ppg (47.2% shooting), 6.0rpg, 1.8 bpg

How can you say Gay is the best player in the nation, when I can make the case he isn't even statistically in the Top 3 at his postion. He is essentially tied with Rodney Carney from Memphis. And that's just in the top 10 teams, I didn't even look lower. He might not even be a top 5 Forward right now.

PS: Rodney Carney and Gay lead their teams in scoring, the other three don't, yet still have better stat lines than Gay.

I'm also leaving Taj Gray (OK), and James Augustine out because they average about 2ppg less than Gay, but they out rebound and percentage wise outshoot Gay.

This battle is between Morrison and Reddick, forget about Gay unless he steps it up.

[Talib Scottie]

I think Duke will drop 3 in the ACC but will clearly be the best team. They'll lose at least two to an instate rival and one to Maryland.

[hockey0001]

Actually, i think Williams will help the team, but it will hurt Gay. He will have even more of an opportunity to hide from his potential, since there will be another player there to take over games. The man should be leading the nation in scoring without Williams, not averaging only 17. Also, his assist to TO ration is terrible, and percentage wise he is the 2nd worst shooter of the starters and players that come off the bench and get minutes for UConn.



This battle is between Morrison and Reddick, forget about Gay unless he steps it up.

Thats basically what I've been saying. Gay as the potential to be as good or better than Reddick and Morrison if he steps up and reaches his potential. But i dont see how Williams coming back will hurt Gay. Uconn's current pg's are nowhere near the passers that Williams is. Williams will be able to set up Gay for some easy baskets and he will greatly improve Uconns fast break. Last year Williams led the nation in assists, with 8.1 per game. I dont see how that can't help Gay.

[hockey0001]

Here is an interesting look for people:

JP Batista (Gonzaga) - 20.1ppg (56.7% shooting), 8.2 rpg
Shelden Williams (Duke) - 18.3ppg (48.9% shooting), 9.3 rpg, 3.8bpg
Rodney Carney (Memphis) - 17.5 ppg (45.9% shooting), 5.8 rpg, 1.4bpg
Paul Davis (Mich St) - 20.1ppg (64.3% shooting), 10.1 rpg
Gay (UCONN) - 17.2ppg (47.2% shooting), 6.0rpg, 1.8 bpg



You dont also happen to have the minutes per game for those players do you? Im just wondering how that compares to each players, because i know Gay has been taken out of a few of the recent games due to Uconn blowing teams out.

[preppyak]

You dont also happen to have the minutes per game for those players do you? Im just wondering how that compares to each players, because i know Gay has been taken out of a few of the recent games due to Uconn blowing teams out.

JP Batista - 33.6min
Sheldon Williams - 32.2min
Paul Davis - 31.5 min
Rodney Carney - 24.9min
Rudy Gay - 28.4min


He's getting close to the rest, maybe a few less. The scary part is that in the two games that mattered, Gonzaga and Arizona, he put up 10 and 6 points. He averaged 24 minutes in those games, less than in the blow-out games, because he was a non-factor really. His fewest minutes of the season game against Gonzaga, 21. It's not the minutes but the lack of desire that is killing him. The man should be a top 3 or 4 scorer in the nation with his athleticism, not a barely top 5-10ish forward scorer.

[LeftWideOpen]

I read about the first seven pages and I hadnt heard this argument for Reddick yet so I apologize if someone has already said it ..

If your talking about the most complete player ..I'd say Morrison. But if you're talking about the one guy I'd want with the ball in his hands at the end of the game, its Reddick without a doubt. That's how I differentiate between the two and choose Reddick.

[preppyak]

I read about the first seven pages and I hadnt heard this argument for Reddick yet so I apologize if someone has already said it ..

If your talking about the most complete player ..I'd say Morrison. But if you're talking about the one guy I'd want with the ball in his hands at the end of the game, its Reddick without a doubt. That's how I differentiate between the two and choose Reddick.

I would agree with that. But I think Player of the Year should speak to the better PLAYER and not just the more clutch SHOOTER. Since I'm on a stat kick:

Reddick (Avg. 35.6min) - 24.7 ppg(48.9%FG 46.5%3PT), 1.8rpg, 2.1apg, 2.0TOpg, 1.2spg
Thats basically an even assist to TO ratio

Morrison (38.7min) - 28.4ppg (53.1%FG 37.2%3PT) 6.1rpg, 1.7apg, 2.3TOpg, 1.5spg
More TO per game than assists

I know they play different positions, but that mostly explains the difference in rebounds, not points. They are both the go-to guys on their team. Morrison creates more for himself, largely because his team lacks the all-around depth that Duke has. His dribble driving is what gets him a lot of lay-ups and short jumpers, whereas Reddick relies on off ball movement to get open for shots. Watch JJ put it on the floor, its not really that pretty. Morrison of course turns it over more because he dribbles more.

When I say the race is close, I mean if the voting happened now, it would be a difference of maybe 1 or 2 votes. If you want the best player from the best team, then it's Reddick. If you want the best all-around player who has lead his team well, it's Morrison by a bit.

[Talib Scottie]

If I need a three I'd definately go with Reddick, but Morrison can put himself in a position to get a better shot

[weezer182]

morrison will be the better pro as well