LOST (Official Thread XI) - "Whatever Happened, Happened"

[CellarGhosts]

LOST - Season 5 - Wednesday @ 9:00 PM/8:00CT

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Previously On LOST

05x01 -
Because You Left
(Various) - January 22, 2009
"Jack and Ben try to reunite the Oceanic 6 for a return to the Island to save the remaining survivors."

05x02 -
The Lie
(Hurley) - January 22, 2009
"Hurley, who is on the run from the police with Sayid, has trouble dealing with the secret of the Oceanic 6. Meanwhile, Kate meets an old friend to get some advice."

05x03 -
Jughead
(Desmond) - January 27, 2009
"Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key in helping Faraday stop the island's erractic movements through time."

05x04 -
The Little Prince
(Kate & Aaron) - February 4, 2009
"Kate attempts to learn who is trying to obtain custody of Aaron, while Ben continues his quest to reunite the Oceanic 6."

05x05 -
This Place Is Death
(Jin & Sun) - February 11, 2009
"Sun confronts Ben over the death of Jin, and Ben suffers major setbacks in trying to reunite the Oceanic 6."

05x06 -
316
(Jack) - February 18, 2009
"The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there’s trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return."

05x07 -
The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
(Locke) - February 25, 2009
"Locke's fateful mission off the island is revealed."

05x08 -
LaFleur
(Sawyer) - March 4, 2009
"Sawyer perpetuates a lie with some of the other island survivors in order to protect themselves from mistakes of the past."

05x09 -
Namaste
(Various) - March 18, 2009
"The return of his old friends to the Island forces Sawyer to struggle to keep his lie concealed. "

05x10 -
He's Our You
(Sayid) - March 25, 2009
"Things begin to unravel when one of the survivors goes rogue and takes matters into their own hands -- risking the lives of everyone on the island".

05x11 -
Whatever Happened, Happened
(Kate & Aaron) - April 1, 2009
"Kate goes to extreme measures to save Ben's life when Jack refuses to help. Meanwhile, Kate begins to tell the truth about the lie in order to protect Aaron".

05x12 -
Dead Is Dead
(Ben) - April 8, 2009
"To atone for sins of the past, Ben must attempt to summon the smoke monster in order to be judged

05x13 -
Some Like It Hoth
(Miles) - April 15, 2009
"Suspicions about a possible breach intensify after Ben is taken from the infirmary, and a reluctant Miles is forced to work with Hurley when he's asked to deliver an important package to a top Dharma official."

05x14 -
The Variable
(Daniel) - April 29, 2009
"The time of reckoning has begun when Daniel Faraday comes clean regarding what he knows about the island".

05x15 -
Follow The Leader
(Various) - May 6, 2009
"Jack and Kate find themselves at odds over the direction to take to save their fellow island survivors, Locke further solidifies his stance as leader of "The Others," and Sawyer and Juliet come under scrutiny from the Dharma Initiative".

05x16 -
The Incident, Parts 1 & 2
(Various/Jacob) - May 13, 2009
"Jack's decision to put a plan in action in order to set things right on the Island is met with some strong resistance by those close to him, and Locke assigns Ben a difficult task".

ATTENTION: We are spoiler free. Take that shit over here:
LOST Spoilers Thread (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=107423)

LOST Playlist
1. Island - The Starting Line
2. The Ghost Of You Lingers - Spoon
3. No I In Threesome - Interpol
4. Wonderwall - Oasis
5. At the Bottom Of Everything - Bright Eyes
6. Delicate - Damien Rice
7. Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys
8. Wash Away - Joe Purdy
9. Namaste - Beastie Boys
10. Stuck Between Stations - The Hold Steady
11. Passenger Seat - Death Cab For Cutie
12. Timebomb - Beck
13. Station 5: The Pearl - Gatsbys American Dream
14. Out Of Time - Blur
15. Lost! - Coldplay
16. Life and Death - Michael Giacchino

Download here: AP LOST Playlist (http://www.filesavr.com/aplostplaylist)
(Note: Thanks to WarpSpeedChewy)
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alboneceleste 234
Aillite 203
alann 198
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LOST (Official Thread VIII) (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=892042)
LOST (Official Thread IX) (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=955112)
LOST (Official Thread X) (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=999481)

[Alextisonfire]

New thread, woo! Well done!

[CellarGhosts]

Sweet, thanks!. :celebrate: If I fucked something up, someone let me know. I probably did.

[stayillogical]

Here we go!

[xeno6919]

Subscribin'

[starseed]

Congratulations. BTW, you might want to add the synopsis for The Variable.

EDIT: And you're missing Whatever Happened Happened, which is ironic.

[nivek87]

Locke touches little boys.

[Alextisonfire]

Time to try and make it back in the top 10 before the seasons over :-)

[smoothchanvere]

Yay new thread!

[Alextisonfire]

Locke touches little boys.
qft

[alann]

New thread!!!!!!
Sweet, thanks!. :celebrate: If I fucked something up, someone let me know. I probably did.
Whatever Happened, Happened is missing from the episode list.

[stayillogical]

Congratulations. BTW, you might want to add the synopsis for The Variable.

EDIT: And you're missing Whatever Happened Happened, which is ironic.

Technically my fault, I should have been updating that shiz as we went along. Stupid finals.

[atticusfinch]

Locke touches little boys.

i love you kevin

[CellarGhosts]

Yeah, sorry guys. I'll update the synopses tomorrow. Really stupid question but where do you pull each of these synopses from? I'm sure I could find them easy, just want to be sure.

anyway, thanks everyone, and see you all tomorrow.

/bloop.

[smoothchanvere]

Locke touches little boys.
Barely a few posts in and already this can't be beat.

[starseed]

I could be wrong but they look like they come from the official press releases, which can also be found here.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Season_5

[xeno6919]

Time to pass out, goodbye guys and gals.

/BLOOP

[atticusfinch]

yeah i'm think i'm out for the evening too, guys. Always fun!

/bloop

[SockMonkeyRiot]

I feel so involved!

[nivek87]

Its Wednesday!

night y'all.

/bloop

[djUbilla]

I have the highest hopes for the episode tomorrow. I think it's going to be the dark horse best ep of the season.

[batmannj]

New thread! Awesome, Happy LOST day everyone, hopefully my Red Wings get me a win tonight.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

http://i44.tinypic.com/34nlc0k.gif
And we're back.

Yeah, sorry guys. I'll update the synopses tomorrow. Really stupid question but where do you pull each of these synopses from? I'm sure I could find them easy, just want to be sure.
When I did it, I updated the episodes synopses form Lostpedia.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

This thread is going way too fast.

[alboneceleste]

Happy LOSTday everyone! why am i still awake!!?

and yay for making top 10. I feel so accomplished :)

[Alextisonfire]

Happy LOST day! Time to catch some sleep.

/bloop

[Greg]

just subscribing

[batmannj]

I know we got one Gatsby's song in the playlist, but if we threw in "You All Everybody" would that be acceptable?

[crit]

Subscribing.

[alann]

Not LOST day here yet.:-(

[sdbrown]

Ah, new threads. So refreshing.

It was so odd to come home and see this one at the top of the page- the things you miss by leaving the internet for 3 hours :-d

[whoaisame]

I have the highest hopes for the episode tomorrow. I think it's going to be the dark horse best ep of the season.

I think its going to be amazing, second only to the finale.

[drudo182]

Missed the new thread due to the Nuggets game, but it was well worth it.

[crit]

LOST day!

[starseed]

See? That's the price you people pay for having lives.

[sdbrown]

I was reading the other thread, I can't believe I missed like two pages of Lost sexual innuendo! And the amount of love in the last lost thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. group hug!

[ThrownAwayKyle]

So excited for lost tonight! And the finale in only one week... gahhhh

[IAmAmazing]

New thread already? I was expecting it tonight.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I was discussing tonight's episode with my brother and he had the idea that since Jack and Kate are in others territory, that we could see Jacob. I hope to god we see a little bit of him tonight.

[alboneceleste]

Too bad we don't all live near each other, we could get together and have a LOST finale party. I only watch it with my roommate and it's not fun. ha.

[Ailite]

Yayyy new thread. And hell yes at being number 8. I can't wait for tonight.

[alboneceleste]

Right when I woke up this morning the radio had a commercial on about TV tonight and did a commercial for The Office and I started freaking out. LIKE WTF LOST. Luckily it was just a goof on the radio! whew! I didn't think I slept through a whole day!

[Alextisonfire]

Too bad we don't all live near each other, we could get together and have a LOST finale party. I only watch it with my roommate and it's not fun. ha.
Now that I'm home from school, I don't think my friends/family understand why I get so excited about Wednesday nights haha.

[stayillogical]

Yeah, sorry guys. I'll update the synopses tomorrow. Really stupid question but where do you pull each of these synopses from? I'm sure I could find them easy, just want to be sure.

anyway, thanks everyone, and see you all tomorrow.

/bloop.

Whatever Happened, Happened is missing in between He's Our You and Dead Is Dead. I copied and pasted last time, and only added Some Like It Hoth. We must have not noticed that mistake for awhile. It must have happened when someone turned the frozen donkey wheel.

[batmannj]

Too bad we don't all live near each other, we could get together and have a LOST finale party. I only watch it with my roommate and it's not fun. ha.

We could still have a finale party....sort of lol

[alboneceleste]

We could still have a finale party....sort of lol

well of course, but it's not the same.

[nivek87]

i like that thing someone said before about locke touching little boys.

[stayillogical]

i like that thing someone said before about locke touching little boys.

:rolleyes:

[CellarGhosts]

Whatever Happened, Happened is missing in between He's Our You and Dead Is Dead. I copied and pasted last time, and only added Some Like It Hoth. We must have not noticed that mistake for awhile. It must have happened when someone turned the frozen donkey wheel.
Haha. But thanks, I'll fix this, and add the other episode synopses.

[Throwback]

So I've been out of the Lost loop for awhile, and I'm assuming next week's finale is two hours long. So is it all being shown in one night?

[Greg]

heads up people! another full episode synopsis has leaked online for tonight's episode. apparently Carlton was at Ohio State University(?) and showed the episode and talked some. be careful!

[CellarGhosts]

heads up people! another full episode synopsis has leaked online for tonight's episode. apparently Carlton was at Ohio State University(?) and showed the episode and talked some. be careful!
ah, thanks for the heads up.

also guys, the episode list has been updated/fixed.

[nivek87]

So I've been out of the Lost loop for awhile, and I'm assuming next week's finale is two hours long. So is it all being shown in one night?
you are correct good sir.
heads up people! another full episode synopsis has leaked online for tonight's episode. apparently Carlton was at Ohio State University(?) and showed the episode and talked some. be careful!
thanks for the heads up.

[stayillogical]

heads up people! another full episode synopsis has leaked online for tonight's episode. apparently Carlton was at Ohio State University(?) and showed the episode and talked some. be careful!

They're available to come speak at colleges? EFF THAT. I'm talking to our coordinator/my LOST buddy ASAP. We narrowly missed getting Dominic Monaghan and I've been broken-hearted since.

[stayillogical]

I just read this on Dominic Monaghan's IMDB trivia:

"The producers of "Lost" were so impressed with Dom they rewrote the part of Charlie to be a 20-something guy (it was originally intended to be a middle aged rock star who had faded from glory)."

I hadn't heard that before.

[nivek87]

They're available to come speak at colleges? EFF THAT. I'm talking to our coordinator/my LOST buddy ASAP. We narrowly missed getting Dominic Monaghan and I've been broken-hearted since.

Prior to the election President Obama and President Clinton came to my school. Why can't we get Carlton and Damon instead. just kididng

[Greg]

hahahahaha Carlton explains the polar bears!

[alboneceleste]

I wish I was still in college for opportunities like that!

[Greg]

ah, thanks for the heads up.

also guys, the episode list has been updated/fixed.

you are correct good sir.

thanks for the heads up.

non problem!

They're available to come speak at colleges? EFF THAT. I'm talking to our coordinator/my LOST buddy ASAP. We narrowly missed getting Dominic Monaghan and I've been broken-hearted since.

i am not sure how often he does this sort of thing. it might be a one time thing for all we know.

[Greg]

I wish I was still in college for opportunities like that!
haha no you don't! college is getting to be annoying like no other. i need to stop doing BS classes and actually get out into the "real world." you know.... where instead of paying thousands of dollars to take BS classes i go to work and get paid to do BS work.

[CellarGhosts]

Haha, trust me - you don't wish you were still in college at all. Savor the fact that you're done with it. However, seeing Carlton speak at a university would indeed be pretty cool..

[Cato11087]

Just to give you guys a heads up about tonight's episode, everyone who thought it was a Richard-centric episode, I have read differently, and in fact while it will feature that character prominently, there is no specific character the episode revolves around. I could be wrong, and I hope I am myself.

[stayillogical]

Just to give you guys a heads up about tonight's episode, everyone who thought it was a Richard-centric episode, I have read differently, and in fact while it will feature that character prominently, there is no specific character the episode revolves around. I could be wrong, and I hope I am myself.

Oh, I'm sure that's true. But I'm still excited to see more of ___________.

[alboneceleste]

Yeah but the real world can suck it. haha. I'm lucky to have a job that I like and that pays enough to live with a teenie extra (lets hope for no emergencies) but paying back loans and all that crap ... and the fact that my education kind of got me nowhere. blah!

In LOST news... I want to try to make Dharma cupcakes or something but can't find a good tutorial online for what to use to make the symbol with frosting!

[stayillogical]

Yeah but the real world can suck it. haha. I'm lucky to have a job that I like and that pays enough to live with a teenie extra (lets hope for no emergencies) but paying back loans and all that crap ... and the fact that my education kind of got me nowhere. blah!

In LOST news... I want to try to make Dharma cupcakes or something but can't find a good tutorial online for what to use to make the symbol with frosting!

Cut out your own custom stencil with some posterboard, then just use black glitter.

[drudo182]

I graduate from college next week. I never thought I'd really want to leave because I actually like school, but I can't imagine sitting in classrooms anymore. Just working and saving up now to move to either LA or Texas.

[CellarGhosts]

I graduate from college next week. I never thought I'd really want to leave because I actually like school, but I can't imagine sitting in classrooms anymore. Just working and saving up now to move to either LA or Texas.
Oh, cool. Congratulations.

[drudo182]

Oh, cool. Congratulations.

Thanks. I actually was done last semester but I thought I had to take more for my minor which in the end I couldn't get. So I just got an "English Minor" which I already had enough credits for. If that makes any sense.

[CellarGhosts]

Thanks. I actually was done last semester but I thought I had to take more for my minor which in the end I couldn't get. So I just got an "English Minor" which I already had enough credits for. If that makes any sense.
Yeah, I see what you mean. What did you major in?

[drudo182]

Yeah, I see what you mean. What did you major in?

Digital film production

[nivek87]

congrats drew! If I didn't transfer I would be graduating next week too, oh well though, I can't complain. hope you enjoyed your college career and the job hunt isn't too stressful. but i feel as if we keep coming back to the fact Locke touches little boys.

[CellarGhosts]

Digital film production
Ah, sweet.

congrats drew! If I didn't transfer I would be graduating next week too, oh well though, I can't complain. but i feel as if we keep coming back to the fact Locke touches little boys.
hahahaha

[drudo182]

congrats drew! If I didn't transfer I would be graduating next week too, oh well though, I can't complain. hope you enjoyed your college career and the job hunt isn't too stressful. but i feel as if we keep coming back to the fact Locke touches little boys.

Ha. I had no idea he ever did that.

And today is my b-day so I hope LOST is good and the finale of Scrubs is good. If those are fun, it will even out me having to work today.

/birthday brag

[alboneceleste]

I hope no one here is majoring in Communications because that is what I majored in and it's basically crap!! lol

I was lucky that I like to do paperwork and got the job that I got. lol

[alboneceleste]

Ha. I had no idea he ever did that.

And today is my b-day so I hope LOST is good and the finale of Scrubs is good. If those are fun, it will even out me having to work today.

/birthday brag

Happy Birthday!

[CellarGhosts]

oh well then happy birthday too, Drew. hah.

[crit]

Ha. I had no idea he ever did that.

And today is my b-day so I hope LOST is good and the finale of Scrubs is good. If those are fun, it will even out me having to work today.

/birthday brag
Happy birthday Drew!

[drudo182]

I hope no one here is majoring in Communications because that is what I majored in and it's basically crap!! lol

I was lucky that I like to do paperwork and got the job that I got. lol

What is communications involve?

Happy Birthday!

oh well then happy birthday too, Drew. hah.

Happy birthday Drew!

Thanks!

[sdbrown]

Happy Birthday Drew!!

Can't believe it's Wednesday! Only 7 more hours!

[crit]

heads up people! another full episode synopsis has leaked online for tonight's episode. apparently Carlton was at Ohio State University(?) and showed the episode and talked some. be careful!
Good to know.

[alboneceleste]

What is communications involve?







Thanks!


The other majors within communications are broadcasting, public relations and advertising. so you get a base of all of those. you can take any of thsoe classes but no concentration. so it just means CRAP lol

[Losthope182]

Today has been pointless so far and I'm going to miss the episode tonight so I'm quite disappointed. Also, I just got some bittersweet news so I'm half happy/half upset. This episode better be unbelievable so it's puts me in that much better of a mood when I watch it.

What's worse is I'm probably going to end up getting home at like 9:15-9:30. I wish I had dvr or tivo or that abc participated in the "start over" program.

[starseed]

Happy birthday, Mr. Drew.

I personally am on the side of "I miss college" but only because of nostalgia reasons and not because I actually miss having to cram for exams and finish a lot of really boring projects. To be honest, I was probably only ever in class 3 times out of 10. But life is blowing right now, so memory lane always looks attractive.

Today has been pointless so far and I'm going to miss the episode tonight so I'm quite disappointed. Also, I just got some bittersweet news so I'm half happy/half upset. This episode better be unbelievable so it's puts me in that much better of a mood when I watch it.

What's worse is I'm probably going to end up getting home at like 9:15-9:30. I wish I had dvr or tivo or that abc participated in the "start over" program.

Sucks that you're having such a shitty day. Hope it gets better for you.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Ha. I had no idea he ever did that.

And today is my b-day so I hope LOST is good and the finale of Scrubs is good. If those are fun, it will even out me having to work today.

/birthday brag
Happy birthday man. It's everyone's birthday lately. Congrats on graduating. I think it'll be the same age you are when I leave school. It's hard to believe tonight is the finale for scrubs. I've missed the last episode and I barely caught last's night's episode.

[Losthope182]

The other majors within communications are broadcasting, public relations and advertising. so you get a base of all of those. you can take any of thsoe classes but no concentration. so it just means CRAP lol

Yeah, I was a communications major for a few semesters and then I switched to English because I realized communications was essentially going to be a waste of time for me haha



Sucks that you're having such a shitty day. Hope it gets better for you.

Thanks!

[nivek87]

Ha. I had no idea he ever did that.

And today is my b-day so I hope LOST is good and the finale of Scrubs is good. If those are fun, it will even out me having to work today.

/birthday brag

oh he definitely touched walt and was eying for aaron too.

Lucky lucky lucky, i wish my birthday fell on a LOST day, instead mine is on mothers day this year. sounds like you have a nice two hour celebration of tv for your birthday. Happy bday drew dude.

any other soon to be grads around here?

[alann]

i like that thing someone said before about locke touching little boys.
I heard there's a new kid in town named Charlie Hume.

[alann]

And happy birthday Drew, you're a great guy.

[Mirrorsandfevers]

I can't wait for tonight. I haven't thought of a finale party...until now....

[Mirrorsandfevers]

Yes, happy birthday!

[stayillogical]

Minus a few, it's nice to scroll down the page and see a succession of LOST avatars.

And happy birthday Drew! Should be a great episode tonight, you lucky dog.

[drudo182]

The other majors within communications are broadcasting, public relations and advertising. so you get a base of all of those. you can take any of thsoe classes but no concentration. so it just means CRAP lol

Ha. Advertising might be kind of cool but I don't know all that goes into it so it might not be that great.

Happy Birthday Drew!!

Can't believe it's Wednesday! Only 7 more hours!

Happy birthday, Mr. Drew.

I personally am on the side of "I miss college" but only because of nostalgia reasons and not because I actually miss having to cram for exams and finish a lot of really boring projects. To be honest, I was probably only ever in class 3 times out of 10. But life is blowing right now, so memory lane always looks attractive.



Sucks that you're having such a shitty day. Hope it gets better for you.

Happy birthday man. It's everyone's birthday lately. Congrats on graduating. I think it'll be the same age you are when I leave school. It's hard to believe tonight is the finale for scrubs. I've missed the last episode and I barely caught last's night's episode.

oh he definitely touched walt and was eying for aaron too.

Lucky lucky lucky, i wish my birthday fell on a LOST day, instead mine is on mothers day this year. sounds like you have a nice two hour celebration of tv for your birthday. Happy bday drew dude.

any other soon to be grads around here?

And happy birthday Drew, you're a great guy.

Yes, happy birthday!

:-)

[drudo182]

Minus a few, it's nice to scroll down the page and see a succession of LOST avatars.

And happy birthday Drew! Should be a great episode tonight, you lucky dog.

If only it were a Jack episode. I'd be in heaven. Ha.

[alboneceleste]

Ha. Advertising might be kind of cool but I don't know all that goes into it so it might not be that great.













:-)

Having to take a media studies class (which was awesome, I did get to write a 20 pg paper on LOST).. makes you never watch movies or TV the same. Like with LOST I still apply some theories like Suspension of Disbelief (clearly we have to put aside things like polar bears and smoke monsters, as we know they cant be on tropical islands or exist at all) and product placement. oh god, product placement. it's so much more apparent to me now!

[Lueda Alia]

I've been thinking about this since last week, and I'm probably way off, but do you guys think that the show might end with the Losties accomplishing what Daniel wanted to? I keep thinking, maybe they'll do something and change the way things happen(ed), so Flight 815 won't even crash in the first place?

Does that make any sense?

[Mirrorsandfevers]

Minus a few, it's nice to scroll down the page and see a succession of LOST avatars.

And happy birthday Drew! Should be a great episode tonight, you lucky dog.
Once I find a good picture, I'll make it my avatar. Been searching for a bit now.

[xeno6919]

Happy LOST Wednesday everyone. Unfortunately I have to work all night so won't get to see the episode until late night or tomorrow.

[starseed]

I've been thinking about this since last week, and I'm probably way off, but do you guys think that the show might end with the Losties accomplishing what Daniel wanted to? I keep thinking, maybe they'll do something and change the way things happen(ed), so Flight 815 won't even crash in the first place?

Does that make any sense?

I'm really curious now, because maybe they could. Maybe they really could drop a huge boulder in the river of time, but the problem would be, at what cost? What would change? It's an intriguing question. I still think though that the possibility exists that they will change the future, but not in the way they want to. Meaning that they'll still crash, but something else will have changed. It's hard to say.

[Lueda Alia]

I'm really curious now, because maybe they could. Maybe they really could drop a huge boulder in the river of time, but the problem would be, at what cost? What would change? It's an intriguing question. I still think though that the possibility exists that they will change the future, but not in the way they want to. Meaning that they'll still crash, but something else will have changed. It's hard to say.
Yeah, anything could happen.

I just have a feeling that they might go with that ending for some reason. I mean, this whole time the Losties have been trying to change what happened and go back to normal, so I think, if given the chance, they would stop the plane from crashing. Now they know that it's possible to prevent what happened, so I'd guess they'd try to make it happen? Then again, when I talked about it with my boyfriend, we came to the conclusion that the crash was the best thing to happen to most of the survivors. They all were in some kind of trouble, so in a way, the crash saved them.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about the show ending this way, though. I think it'd be really interesting, and on the other hand, it'd be incredibly disappointing because none of these characters will even know each other. I keep imagining a scene on the plane or at the airport in L.A. (once the plane lands), of them walking past each other and simply smiling because they won't know each other at all.

[Mirrorsandfevers]

I've been thinking about this since last week, and I'm probably way off, but do you guys think that the show might end with the Losties accomplishing what Daniel wanted to? I keep thinking, maybe they'll do something and change the way things happen(ed), so Flight 815 won't even crash in the first place?

Does that make any sense?
I was thinking that that might be the scene we see last this season. Sorta like "We have to go back!"

[Greg]

i am a believer in the "Whatever Happened, Happened" position. i don't believe anything major will change. whatever Jack and company will do always happened anyway. we just get to see it happen now.

[starseed]

I keep thinking that if they succeed, then something is going to course correct somehow. Either a new set of people end up having to fulfill their roles, or maybe they end up crashing on the island in a different way. Because you have to think, if they never crashed their plane, then they were never in a position to go back to the past in the first place in order to stop their plane from crashing, unless of course they managed to reach the island in a different way and therefore still be present.

[nivek87]

I've been thinking about this since last week, and I'm probably way off, but do you guys think that the show might end with the Losties accomplishing what Daniel wanted to? I keep thinking, maybe they'll do something and change the way things happen(ed), so Flight 815 won't even crash in the first place?

Does that make any sense?
I’m pretty sure this is impossible for them to accomplish without a huge paradox forming. In order for them to land safely on flight 815 in 2004, they have to be on the island at some point, more specifically, they have to be on the island in 1977, therefore the only way they can change the past is by being on the island at some point and in order for them to do that, they have to crash in 2004 so they can go back in 2007, which takes them to 1977 for them to even attempt changing the past, which won’t work because they can’t. In short, for them to even try to change things, they have to be on the island at somehow in order to do or else if they land, they never could change anything.

[IAmAmazing]

I keep thinking that if they succeed, then something is going to course correct somehow. Either a new set of people end up having to fulfill their roles, or maybe they end up crashing on the island in a different way. Because you have to think, if they never crashed their plane, then they were never in a position to go back to the past in the first place in order to stop their plane from crashing, unless of course they managed to reach the island in a different way and therefore still be present.
The whole paradox thing, I doubt it could happen.

[Lueda Alia]

I’m pretty sure this is impossible for them to accomplish without a huge paradox forming. In order for them to land safely on flight 815 in 2004, they have to be on the island at some point, more specifically, they have to be on the island in 1977, therefore the only way they can change the past is by being on the island at some point and in order for them to do that, they have to crash in 2004 so they can go back in 2007, which takes them to 1977 for them to even attempt changing the past, which won’t work because they can’t. In short, for them to even try to change things, they have to be on the island at somehow in order to do or else if they land, they never could change anything.
They're on the Island now and it's 1977...?

Also, Dan did say it was possible.

[Lueda Alia]

I just don't think that the writers would throw this idea out there and not follow through with it somehow. I mean, if it doesn't happen, I'm expecting the Losties to at least try to make it happen. Other wise, what was the point of Dan even telling them of the possibility?

[IAmAmazing]

I think part of the reason Dan died was because he was trying to change things.

[Lueda Alia]

I think part of the reason Dan died was because he was trying to change things.
Yeah, he was trying to prevent the crash from ever happening, among other things.

[nivek87]

They're on the Island now and it's 1977...?

Also, Dan did say it was possible.
but if time is a street, 1977 is their present and the only way they got to 1977 was by crashing in 2007. this is the first time they are "experiencing" this. So in order for them to change something now they still have to crash in 2004, go through 2007, come back, and arrive in 77. Think about Locke and Widmores scene. Locke didn't experience meeting him until 4 days prior, while it was over 50 years for Charles. (maybe thats not the best example, but it applies a bit.)

[Lueda Alia]

but if time is a street, 1977 is their present and the only way they got to 1977 was by crashing in 2007. this is the first time they are "experiencing" this. So in order for them to change something now they still have to crash in 2004, go through 2007, come back, and arrive in 77. Think about Locke and Widmores scene. Locke didn't experience meeting him until 4 days prior, while it was over 50 years for Charles. (maybe thats not the best example, but it applies a bit.)
I get what you're trying to say, but I don't think that's necessarily true anymore, simply because of what Dan said. He said it was possible to change the way things happened. Before he used to think that it was impossible because he hadn't taken into consideration the variables. Or at least that's what I recall (I haven't seen the episode since).

[starseed]

They're on the Island now and it's 1977...?

Also, Dan did say it was possible.

The question is, if they change the future so they never crashed on the island, then how did they get to the island in 1977? If not by the crash, then there has to be some way, some replacement for what they just stopped. Otherwise it is impossible, and they create a paradox. So there has to be a course correction. So they had to get to the island somehow.

Now that may not necessarily have to be through the plane crash in 2007. It could be through something else that replaces the crash in 2007.

[Lueda Alia]

The question is, if they change the future so they never crashed on the island, then how did they get to the island in 1977? If not by the crash, then there has to be some way, some replacement for what they just stopped. Otherwise it is impossible, and they create a paradox. So there has to be a course correction. So they had to get to the island somehow.

Now that may not necessarily have to be through the plane crash in 2007. It could be through something else that replaces the crash in 2007.
Well, that's what Dan was trying to explain.

The way I see it, "whatever happened, happened" to the survivors that we have been following. However, things don't have to happen the same way for the same people in a different timeline, especially if the current survivors do something to alter them (the timelines). Am I making sense?

If they stop the hatch from being built right now, in 1977, then Desmond will never have to press a button, and thus, Flight 815 will never crash. I thought that this is what Dan was telling them...?

This kind of reminds me of Alex dying. Ben clearly did not expect that to happen, or so it seemed. How could this be possible unless it all happened differently and Alex did, in fact, not die in a different timeline?

[drudo182]

The question is, if they change the future so they never crashed on the island, then how did they get to the island in 1977? If not by the crash, then there has to be some way, some replacement for what they just stopped. Otherwise it is impossible, and they create a paradox. So there has to be a course correction. So they had to get to the island somehow.

Now that may not necessarily have to be through the plane crash in 2007. It could be through something else that replaces the crash in 2007.

This I like.

[whoaisame]

Damon and Carlton have already said "NO PARADOXES". They also said "No Time Travel" before too, so who knows. So they cant change time, unless they do it in a paradox free way, or unless a parallel universe is created, which I doubt. I'm confident they will succeed in whatever they plan on doing though.

[starseed]

You know, that Alex thing is a great point.

I'm also thinking about how Ben keeps trying to kill Locke. Does Ben know something we don't?

And then Hawking, knowing so much about Desmond.

It feels almost like maybe Lost has been traveling in this direction subtly for a long time now, and we're finally at the tip of the iceberg.

[Lueda Alia]

For those of you who don't believe that this could be a possibility, what do you think Dan meant by what he said? I didn't read the last thread, so I apologize if you guys have already discussed about this.

[Lueda Alia]

You know, that Alex thing is a great point.

I'm also thinking about how Ben keeps trying to kill Locke. Does Ben know something we don't?

And then Hawking, knowing so much about Desmond.

It feels almost like maybe Lost has been traveling in this direction subtly for a long time now, and we're finally at the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen any of the episodes since they've aired, but I remember Ben saying to Widmore that "he broke the rules." What does that mean? And why was Ben willing to sacrifice Alex unless he was sure that she would not die (based on past timelines, when she did not die)? I kind of doubt he'd willingly risk her life unless he knew that she would end up being okay.

[starseed]

I mean, I know it was discussed that possibly the whole rules thing is just referring to the fact that Ben thought the island wanted Alex to live and Widmore thought it wanted her to die, and maybe Ben thought Widmore sending Keamy to the island was a sneaky twisty way of killing Alex by proxy, but I'm liking the idea that it was a change in the timeline a lot more.

[nivek87]

I just don't think that the writers would throw this idea out there and not follow through with it somehow. I mean, if it doesn't happen, I'm expecting the Losties to at least try to make it happen. Other wise, what was the point of Dan even telling them of the possibility?
Dan always had thought there was a possibility to change things, that’s why he always died and Eloise always knew it was going to happen. That’s also why Chang had his wife and Miles, as well as other children and mothers sent away because Dan always told him to do so. Jack and Kate are always going to think they can change things, which will most likely lead to the incident.

[ramomcferno]

I lurk this thread (and the previous incarnations of it) like its my job (I wish it was) and every once in a while post something. I would like to try to be a little more active in here. My name is Omar and I am a bit of a Humeholic, so when I get a chance I will probably change my avatar to Des to fit in.

Tonight's episode should be awesome! I am completely spoiler and preview free for this episode. I had been spoiled by friends in the past although it didn't really bother my enjoyment of the show. I am a sucker for the previews for next week but another one of my friends told me it is so much better without knowing anything so I am gonna give that a try.

[whoaisame]

You know, that Alex thing is a great point.

I'm also thinking about how Ben keeps trying to kill Locke. Does Ben know something we don't?

And then Hawking, knowing so much about Desmond.

It feels almost like maybe Lost has been traveling in this direction subtly for a long time now, and we're finally at the tip of the iceberg.

I dont see it being a timeloop type thing. I think Ben's shock at Alex's death is because the 'rules' prevented killing family members or something, not because she didnt die in another timeline. I go back and forth with the time loop type theory though.

For those of you who don't believe that this could be a possibility, what do you think Dan meant by what he said? I didn't read the last thread, so I apologize if you guys have already discussed about this.

Dan meant they need to do something big to destory the hatch/null the energy in it. Thus, the Swan would never exist, Desmond would never have to push the button, Flight 815 would never crash, and Daniel would never have to come to the island.

[nivek87]

I get what you're trying to say, but I don't think that's necessarily true anymore, simply because of what Dan said. He said it was possible to change the way things happened. Before he used to think that it was impossible because he hadn't taken into consideration the variables. Or at least that's what I recall (I haven't seen the episode since).
Look at what happened to him though, what always happened to him. He thought he could change things, however, he died knowing he couldn't judging by his last words. He always marched into the camp thinking he could change things and his mom shot him, just like always.

[starseed]

I dont see it being a timeloop type thing. I think Ben's shock at Alex's death is because the 'rules' prevented killing family members or something, not because she didnt die in another timeline. I go back and forth with the time loop type theory though.


I dunno, we've never heard these "rules" established.

[TheZeroKid]

I believe whatever happened (or is happening right now), happened. There aren't different timelines and there's absolutely nothing the Losties can do to prevent 815 from crashing. Something will always get in the way, and it always has gotten in the way. When the survivors were in 2004, all of the events that are transpiring in 1977 already happened.

Take for example, Desmond's time in the military. What was shown to us during The Constant is that his mind traveled back to his conscious self in 1996. All of the crazy, spaced out shit he did to get him kicked out of the military actually did happen in the present time. Desmond always visited Faraday at Oxford and he always told Penny about his call on Christmas Eve.

Hawking said that the universe had a way of course correcting itself. So, if anything (in the past) were to try to happen that would mess up what was supposed to happen in the future, then course correction would take place and it would prevented, thus preserving the timeline. Jack said that the crash wasn't supposed to happen. If it really wasn't supposed to happen, it wouldn't have happened, it's as simple as that. I believe Daniel tried to frantically change the past (not just because of The upcoming Incident), but because they hadn't really tried to. I think alot of it had to do with "what if the past could be changed?"

Of course, Desmond is supposed to be "the variable" and special in terms of what he can and can't do, so who knows how that crazy Scot is gonna play into all this.

[batmannj]

heads up people! another full episode synopsis has leaked online for tonight's episode. apparently Carlton was at Ohio State University(?) and showed the episode and talked some. be careful!

Thanks for the heads up man. Granted I will be studying all night so I won't be able to read any episode synopsis.

[Lueda Alia]

I mean, I know it was discussed that possibly the whole rules thing is just referring to the fact that Ben thought the island wanted Alex to live and Widmore thought it wanted her to die, and maybe Ben thought Widmore sending Keamy to the island was a sneaky twisty way of killing Alex by proxy, but I'm liking the idea that it was a change in the timeline a lot more.
Haha me too.

To be honest, this reminds me of Dragon Ball Z. That sounds really nerdy, but the show had something to do with time traveling as well, and what I'm saying actually happened in the show. People from the future came back to the past to change how things happened to them, in order to change the future so that it wouldn't be as bad.

Haha does that make any sense at all? It's basically what I'm trying to say: things can happen differently in different timelines, they don't have to happen the same way. Thus, if the survivors prevent certain things from happen, the people in Flight 815 in 2004 - right now - don't have to go through the same thing. This was basically the idea in DBZ as well. I know it sounds like a silly comparison, but it's just a different way to look at time traveling.


Dan always had thought there was a possibility to change things, that’s why he always died and Eloise always knew it was going to happen. That’s also why Chang had his wife and Miles, as well as other children and mothers sent away because Dan always told him to do so. Jack and Kate are always going to think they can change things, which will most likely lead to the incident.
What do you mean that's why he died?

The main reason why I believe what I'm saying is because I kind of doubt that the writers would make Dan, out of all people, say such a thing/talk about it being a possibility, and then dismiss it altogether.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that's why Eloise shot him. Maybe she didn't want him to change the way things happened? I mean, she can see the future. She must have known that the person she shot was her son from the future?

[whoaisame]

I dunno, we've never heard these "rules" established.

Totally agree, but they have also not been established as time travels rules either. Nobody knows what they are at this point.

[nivek87]

I lurk this thread (and the previous incarnations of it) like its my job (I wish it was) and every once in a while post something. I would like to try to be a little more active in here. My name is Omar and I am a bit of a Humeholic, so when I get a chance I will probably change my avatar to Des to fit in.

Tonight's episode should be awesome! I am completely spoiler and preview free for this episode. I had been spoiled by friends in the past although it didn't really bother my enjoyment of the show. I am a sucker for the previews for next week but another one of my friends told me it is so much better without knowing anything so I am gonna give that a try.
Welcome Omar, you should definitely post more often. glad to hear you are spoiler free too. tonights episode should be epic.

[Lueda Alia]

I dont see it being a timeloop type thing. I think Ben's shock at Alex's death is because the 'rules' prevented killing family members or something, not because she didnt die in another timeline. I go back and forth with the time loop type theory though.
I kind of doubt the writers would present something that "simple" (for a lack of a better word).

Dan meant they need to do something big to destory the hatch/null the energy in it. Thus, the Swan would never exist, Desmond would never have to push the button, Flight 815 would never crash, and Daniel would never have to come to the island.
That's my point. That would mean that the Losties never get on the Island, either. Wouldn't it?

[batmannj]

I dunno, we've never heard these "rules" established.

Yeah those "rules" are something I don't think we will get a sense of what they really mean until next season, or possibly tonight if we see some more of Ilana's people on the island. While most think they are Dharma 2.0, I just have a feeling that Ben is involved with them somehow.

[whoaisame]

Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that's why Eloise shot him. Maybe she didn't want him to change the way things happened?

The Eloise in 1977 doesnt know anything (as far as we know) about the future or even who Daniel is. She hasnt lived it yet. She just shoots him because he was going to shoot Richard.

[Thomas Balkcom]

cannot wait for tonight

[TheZeroKid]

The main reason why I believe what I'm saying is because I kind of doubt that the writers would make Dan, out of all people, say such a thing/talk about it being a possibility, and then dismiss it altogether.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that's why Eloise shot him. Maybe she didn't want him to change the way things happened?

I think Daniel talked aboutt the possibility because it's going to lead the Losties to try fullfilling his plan, but end up achieving something else. The reason Eloise shot him is because the universe was course correcting what Daniel tried to achieve. Even if she didn't shoot him, something was going to happen to make sure Daniel didn't fuck up the future.

[batmannj]

I lurk this thread (and the previous incarnations of it) like its my job (I wish it was) and every once in a while post something. I would like to try to be a little more active in here. My name is Omar and I am a bit of a Humeholic, so when I get a chance I will probably change my avatar to Des to fit in.

Tonight's episode should be awesome! I am completely spoiler and preview free for this episode. I had been spoiled by friends in the past although it didn't really bother my enjoyment of the show. I am a sucker for the previews for next week but another one of my friends told me it is so much better without knowing anything so I am gonna give that a try.

Welcome Omar! I am Rob, and my favorite characters are (or were): Hurley, Faraday, Eko, and Jack/Locke

[whoaisame]

I kind of doubt the writers would present something that "simple" (for a lack of a better word).


That's my point. That would mean that the Losties never get on the Island, either. Wouldn't it?

Exactly, which is a paradox. If they never come to the island, they can never go back to 1977, to stop themselves from coming to the island in the first place.

[Lueda Alia]

The Eloise in 1977 doesnt know anything (as far as we know) about the future or even who Daniel is. She hasnt lived it yet. She just shoots him because he was going to shoot Richard.
If she did know that she'd end up shooting her son though, then that'd definitely change things. So at this point, it could really go either way.

[batmannj]

I think Daniel talked aboutt the possibility because it's going to lead the Losties to try fullfilling his plan, but end up achieving something else. The reason Eloise shot him is because the universe was course correcting what Daniel tried to achieve. Even if she didn't shoot him, something was going to happen to make sure Daniel didn't fuck up the future.

On a rewatch of The Variable, I seriously do believe that Daniel knew what was going to happen, and the reason why he looked so shocked when his mother shot him was because when it actually happened he finally felt the scope of the whole action and was in disbelief to what actually happened. I seriously do think that he knew and somehow he has been just trying to make sure people do what they were supposed to do.

[stayillogical]

Haha me too.

To be honest, this reminds me of Dragon Ball Z. That sounds really nerdy, but the show had something to do with time traveling as well, and what I'm saying actually happened in the show. People from the future came back to the past to change how things happened to them, in order to change the future so that it wouldn't be as bad.

Haha does that make any sense at all? It's basically what I'm trying to say: things can happen differently in different timelines, they don't have to happen the same way. Thus, if the survivors prevent certain things from happen, the people in Flight 815 in 2004 - right now - don't have to go through the same thing. This was basically the idea in DBZ as well. I know it sounds like a silly comparison, but it's just a different way to look at time traveling.


What do you mean that's why he died?

The main reason why I believe what I'm saying is because I kind of doubt that the writers would make Dan, out of all people, say such a thing/talk about it being a possibility, and then dismiss it altogether.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that's why Eloise shot him. Maybe she didn't want him to change the way things happened? I mean, she can see the future. She must have known that the person she shot was her son from the future?

We've already seen the rules established since people in the future have always had certain memories. So, there aren't different timelines. For better time travel entertainment, watch 12 Monkeys or read Slaughterhouse-Five and The Time Traveler's Wife (movie comes out in August).

[batmannj]

Exactly, which is a paradox. If they never come to the island, they can never go back to 1977, to stop themselves from coming to the island in the first place.

I am thinking if they are to succeed in preventing the crash from happening, maybe the universe would course correct and somehow all of the Losties would end up on the island. That is my theory anyway.

[Lueda Alia]

On a rewatch of The Variable, I seriously do believe that Daniel knew what was going to happen, and the reason why he looked so shocked when his mother shot him was because when it actually happened he finally felt the scope of the whole action and was in disbelief to what actually happened. I seriously do think that he knew and somehow he has been just trying to make sure people do what they were supposed to do.
What do you mean by "do what they were supposed to do"? What are they supposed to do?

[TheZeroKid]

read Slaughterhouse-Five

Win. I love that book, and it's such a short read, not because it is short, but because it's so damn good.

[whoaisame]

If she did know that she'd end up shooting her son though, then that'd definitely change things. So at this point, it could really go either way.

She knows in the future, she sends Daniel to the island (when shes an old woman) knowing that she will shoot him in the past. But her past self in 1977 has no idea who Daniel is. She doesnt know that Daniel is going to walk in he camp and that she i going to shoot him, until she actually does.

[TheZeroKid]

What do you mean by "do what they were supposed to do"? What are they supposed to do?

What they have always done.

[Lueda Alia]

She knows in the future, she sends Daniel to the island (when shes an old woman) knowing that she will shoot him in the past. But her past self in 1977 has no idea who Daniel is. She doesnt know that Daniel is going to walk in he camp and that she i going to shoot him, until she actually does.
So you're basically saying that she did not acquire the ability to predict the future until after that happened (shooting Daniel)? Because that's the only way she could have not known that he'd be her son. Unless I'm missing something..

[starseed]

I kind of doubt the writers would present something that "simple" (for a lack of a better word).

That's my point. That would mean that the Losties never get on the Island, either. Wouldn't it?

Not necessarily. Course correction.

[Lueda Alia]

We've already seen the rules established since people in the future have always had certain memories. So, there aren't different timelines. For better time travel entertainment, watch 12 Monkeys or read Slaughterhouse-Five and The Time Traveler's Wife (movie comes out in August).
I've been meaning to read the Time Traveler's Wife for a while now.

So do you think that what Dan said had no meaning whatsoever and that the writers just threw it out there?

[TheZeroKid]

Eloise found it she shot her son, when she shot her son. She grew up, and left the island knowing that she would send her son to the island to get shot and killed.

[Lueda Alia]

Not necessarily. Course correction.
I meant get on the Island through the crash.

[alboneceleste]

All these theories make my brain hurt! haha.

[TheZeroKid]

I've been meaning to read the Time Traveler's Wife for a while now.

So do you think that what Dan said had no meaning whatsoever and that the writers just threw it out there?

I don't think the writers threw it out there, I think it's gonna lead the Losties into doing something else by attempting to stop the crash.

[Lueda Alia]

Eloise found it she shot her son, when she shot her son. She grew up, and left the island knowing that she would send her son to the island to get shot and killed.
In other words, she could not predict the future at that point, correct?

[Andy K]

I can't wait for the new Lost episode tonight!

[TheZeroKid]

Correct, because she had not experienced those events yet.

[atticusfinch]

Happy Wednesday, Losties!! :wave:

[Lueda Alia]

All these theories make my brain hurt! haha.
Haha seriously. I feel like I should write some things down because it's a little confusing.
I don't think the writers threw it out there, I think it's gonna lead the Losties into doing something else by attempting to stop the crash.
Hmm, yeah, could be. I'd imagine they'll try everything in their power to stop the crash from happening.

[stayillogical]

I've been meaning to read the Time Traveler's Wife for a while now.

So do you think that what Dan said had no meaning whatsoever and that the writers just threw it out there?

It's just more of faith vs science and destiny vs free will.

And please read that book. It is such a great read.

[panasonicyouth]

Oh man, I was hoping this would be "Thread is Thread." This is good too, though.

Mega-stoked for tonight! Reading all the theories on here is fun.

[TheZeroKid]

Haha seriously. I feel like I should write some things down because it's a little confusing.

Hmm, yeah, could be. I'd imagine they'll try everything in their power to stop the crash from happening.

Yeah, I think Jack is gonna try to do something big and it'll inadvertanely cause something else that they'll have to deal with.

[batmannj]

What do you mean by "do what they were supposed to do"? What are they supposed to do?

I think that somehow the Losties have something to do with The Incident and Dan knows this, and by telling Jack about preventing the plane crash, he causes Jack to go on a series of actions that leads to him making the Incident a reality. I think that somehow that might be one of the reasons why it seems like all the Losties are connected is because that this is something they always did and the Island knows this.

This is all just my theory at least, if it is completely wrong I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[Lueda Alia]

Correct, because she had not experienced those events yet.
I thought she could predict things without having experienced them, though? Or did I miss something....

[stayillogical]

I'm done with my stressful finals just in time for some time travel talk. :cracks knuckles:

Questions?

[whoaisame]

So you're basically saying that she did not acquire the ability to predict the future until after that happened (shooting Daniel)? Because that's the only way she could have not known that he'd be her son. Unless I'm missing something..

your missing the whole concept. I dont know how else to explain it. What does "predicting the future' have to do with this?

[Lueda Alia]

I think that somehow the Losties have something to do with The Incident and Dan knows this, and by telling Jack about preventing the plane crash, he causes Jack to go on a series of actions that leads to him making the Incident a reality. I think that somehow that might be one of the reasons why it seems like all the Losties are connected is because that this is something they always did and the Island knows this.

This is all just my theory at least, if it is completely wrong I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Yeah, that definitely make sense.

[panasonicyouth]

Bbatmannj, then why does Daniel seem shocked that his mom shot him? Shouldn't he KNOW that she's going to shoot him?

[Lueda Alia]

your missing the whole concept. I dont know how else to explain it. What does "predicting the future' have to do with this?
If she can predict the future in 1977, then she'd know that the man standing there is her son, because she'd know her son's fate at that point.

I don't see how that doesn't make sense to you. I'm not saying it's what happened at all; it's just a theory.

[nivek87]

What do you mean that's why he died?

The main reason why I believe what I'm saying is because I kind of doubt that the writers would make Dan, out of all people, say such a thing/talk about it being a possibility, and then dismiss it altogether.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that's why Eloise shot him. Maybe she didn't want him to change the way things happened? I mean, she can see the future. She must have known that the person she shot was her son from the future?
She didn't know who he was at the time she shot him or that he was trying to change time. She knew this once he said this to her, therefore she knew his destiny for her entire adult life. I believe she even asked who he was after she shot him. The reason Dan thought this was because he was absolutely desperate and wanted to save Charlotte. Back when Charlotte died she told him there was a scary man who told her to leave and at the beginning of LaFleur he said he wouldn't do that to her, however, he did it again, because he had to do itt, its how it always happened. Them trying to change things will just lead to the incident. They will probably think they are changing things and when they go back into 2007, they will find out they failed and that they can't change the past.

[whoaisame]

I thought she could predict things without having experienced them, though? Or did I miss something....

She has not gone through the event that gave her the ability to see the future/time travel yet

[stayillogical]

I thought she could predict things without having experienced them, though? Or did I miss something....

No, she has always experienced the things we're seeing now. The first time she met her son was when she walked him to Jughead. She has always known that she shot him, which is why she was so reluctant and sad about pushing him in that direction.

Just because Daniel had not experienced it yet, doesn't mean it hadn't happened. There is no past, present, or future. They all exist simultanously. So Whatever Happened, Happened.

[TheZeroKid]

I thought she could predict things without having experienced them, though? Or did I miss something....

The reason she knows so much in the future is because she experienced all the crap that's happening "right now" in the past. The producers have called Hawking a "temporal policeman", and with her knowledge of what happened in the past, she'd be bale to execute that job in the future, by sending Daniel to the island and making sure that all the shit that happened, actually does happen. Of course, even if she didn't make sure Daniel gets sent to the island, the universe would course-correct to make sure that he does.

As it has been, as it will be.

[TheZeroKid]

This thread is moving faster than I can post, holy shit!

[stayillogical]

She didn't know who he was at the time she shot him or that he was trying to change time. She knew this once he said this to her, therefore she knew his destiny for her entire adult life. I believe she even asked who he was after she shot him. The reason Dan thought this was because he was absolutely desperate and wanted to save Charlotte. Back when Charlotte died she told him there was a scary man who told her to leave and at the beginning of LaFleur he said he wouldn't do that to her, however, he did it again, because he had to do itt, its how it always happened. Them trying to change things will just lead to the incident. They will probably think they are changing things and when they go back into 2007, they will find out they failed and that they can't change the past.

I agree completely.

[batmannj]

I'm done with my stressful finals just in time for some time travel talk. :cracks knuckles:

Questions?

Haha, I am taking a break from studying to get in the important work of LOST theorizing. I cannot wait for tomorrow at 7:45 when I am finally done for the semester.

[alann]

I'm on the WH,H team too. Not just because it would create a major paradox, but also because it would throw away 5 seasons of story and character development.

[Lueda Alia]

No, she has always experienced the things we're seeing now. The first time she met her son was when she walked him to Jughead. She has always known that she shot him, which is why she was so reluctant and sad about pushing him in that direction.

Just because Daniel had not experienced it yet, doesn't mean it hadn't happened. There is no past, present, or future. They all exist simultanously. So Whatever Happened, Happened.
See, I thought that she simply had a "gift," and not that she knew how things would turn out because she had lived through all these experiences. Makes sense?

[TheZeroKid]

Well, I'm gonna head off to eat, and then work. I'll miss the episode tonight, but I have it set to record. I made sure to request the night off when the finale comes. Nothing comes between me and my Lost mindfucks! Later everyone!

[B-Bones]

Can't wait to get LOST tonight.

[panasonicyouth]

See, I thought that she simply had a "gift," and not that she knew how things would turn out because she had lived through all these experiences. Makes sense?

Yeah, I get what you mean. It's not a gift, though. Eloise is experiencing her life in precise order. Daniel Faraday is as well, but his chronological life is not moving through chronological time.

One thing I still want to know: How'd Ms. Hawking end up in Desmond's flashes???

[drudo182]

I'm on the WH,H team too. Not just because it would create a major paradox, but also because it would throw away 5 seasons of story and character development.

That is how I feel too. I would be upset if they just changed everything.

[Lueda Alia]

She didn't know who he was at the time she shot him or that he was trying to change time. She knew this once he said this to her, therefore she knew his destiny for her entire adult life. I believe she even asked who he was after she shot him. The reason Dan thought this was because he was absolutely desperate and wanted to save Charlotte. Back when Charlotte died she told him there was a scary man who told her to leave and at the beginning of LaFleur he said he wouldn't do that to her, however, he did it again, because he had to do itt, its how it always happened. Them trying to change things will just lead to the incident. They will probably think they are changing things and when they go back into 2007, they will find out they failed and that they can't change the past.
Yeah, I remember all that.

[stayillogical]

See, I thought that she simply had a "gift," and not that she knew how things would turn out because she had lived through all these experiences. Makes sense?

Yeah, I understand. When we first met her, she had that psychic vibe. But now it seems, we have an explanation of her foresight.

[whoaisame]

The reason she knows so much in the future is because she experienced all the crap that's happening "right now" in the past. The producers have called Hawking a "temporal policeman", and with her knowledge of what happened in the past, she'd be bale to execute that job in the future, by sending Daniel to the island and making sure that all the shit that happened, actually does happen. Of course, even if she didn't make sure Daniel gets sent to the island, the universe would course-correct to make sure that he does.

As it has been, as it will be.

She has to have some sort of means to time travel/seeing points in time, becuase in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" she knows the man with the red shoes will die and that Desmond is not supposed to buy the ring. This means these events already happened, yet they are happening again in that episode.

I think she gets this ability later on in her life though, off the island.

[batmannj]

She didn't know who he was at the time she shot him or that he was trying to change time. She knew this once he said this to her, therefore she knew his destiny for her entire adult life. I believe she even asked who he was after she shot him. The reason Dan thought this was because he was absolutely desperate and wanted to save Charlotte. Back when Charlotte died she told him there was a scary man who told her to leave and at the beginning of LaFleur he said he wouldn't do that to her, however, he did it again, because he had to do itt, its how it always happened. Them trying to change things will just lead to the incident. They will probably think they are changing things and when they go back into 2007, they will find out they failed and that they can't change the past.

Do you think that the cliff hanger in the finale will have to do with them going back to 2007? I have been wondering what they are going to keep us guessing with in this years finale and I am starting to think it might be that.

[stayillogical]

If by some miracle, they do change things, I hope the results are ala The Sound Of Thunder. That's a cool time travel story with a different theory I can appreciate.

Maybe the cliffhanger at the end of this season will be like the ending of that story.

[Lueda Alia]

Yeah, I understand. When we first met her, she had that psychic vibe. But now it seems, we have an explanation of her foresight.
Yeah, exactly.

[Lueda Alia]

Do you think that the cliff hanger in the finale will have to do with them going back to 2007? I have been wondering what they are going to keep us guessing with in this years finale and I am starting to think it might be that.
Well, I think something has to happen to them because we don't see them in 2004 on the island (before the crash). They have to somehow leave 1977, or maybe they die? I'm not sure.

I feel like I have to re-read what I say because all these theories sound so crazy. :-d

[nivek87]

Yeah, I remember all that.
we'll all just have to wait and see i suppose. if they do change time and abandon everything thats happen, I suppose we can call Season 6, LOST "Heroes Edition"
Do you think that the cliff hanger in the finale will have to do with them going back to 2007? I have been wondering what they are going to keep us guessing with in this years finale and I am starting to think it might be that.
I feel like by the end of pt.1 everyone will be back in 2007 and there will be a great Sun and Jin reunion. However, just as we feel some joy for them, the carpet is going to be pulled from beneath are feet and a whole new issue will be at hand. (the war) and that 2nd hour will be a huge set up for a cliffhanging ending.

[stayillogical]

Has everyone read A Sound Of Thunder? One of the best short stories, and the best sci-fi.

[whoaisame]

Has everyone read A Sound Of Thunder? One of the best short stories, and the best sci-fi.

I havent, but I'm definatly gonna now.

[panasonicyouth]

Do you think that the cliff hanger in the finale will have to do with them going back to 2007? I have been wondering what they are going to keep us guessing with in this years finale and I am starting to think it might be that.

Actually, I think it would be more interesting if they went back to like.....hundreds of years ago. When the Black Rock crashes or something. To learn more about the island itself and the "natural" inhabitants.

Then we can FINALLY get a Richard Alpert episode!

[poppa Q]

I'd also like to recommend Arcadia while we're on the topic. A little less science-fictiony but it's a great (and quick) read.

[alboneceleste]

This thread is seriously going too fast. lol

[batmannj]

Well, I think something has to happen to them because we don't see them in 2004 on the island (before the crash). They have to somehow leave 1977, or maybe they die? I'm not sure.

I feel like I have to re-read what I say because all these theories sound so crazy. :-d
lol yeah the theory making is just as taxing as finals, just no where near as fun.

I do think that somehow they "get back" and something bad happens (like the war that Kevin mentioned in the post below)
we'll all just have to wait and see i suppose. if they do change time and abandon everything thats happen, I suppose we can call Season 6, LOST "Heroes Edition"

I feel like by the end of pt.1 everyone will be back in 2007 and there will be a great Sun and Jin reunion. However, just as we feel some joy for them, the carpet is going to be pulled from beneath are feet and a whole new issue will be at hand. (the war) and that 2nd hour will be a huge set up for a cliffhanging ending.
Oh gosh, if this show even gets close to Heroes territory it will be so depressing.
Has everyone read A Sound Of Thunder? One of the best short stories, and the best sci-fi.
I love that story (Ray Bradbury I believe) and I have always thought once the time travel element was introduced that somehow something would correlate with that work.

Oddly enough, when I was reading A Sound of Thunder in my Senior year High School English class, I was also reading The Most Dangerous Game and that sort of reminds/reminded me of LOST which is part of the reason I got into the show in the first place lol

[stayillogical]

I'd also like to recommend Arcadia while we're on the topic. A little less science-fictiony but it's a great (and quick) read.

Short story or novel? I'll look it up.

[batmannj]

Actually, I think it would be more interesting if they went back to like.....hundreds of years ago. When the Black Rock crashes or something. To learn more about the island itself and the "natural" inhabitants.

Then we can FINALLY get a Richard Alpert episode!

Haha if Richard is involved, I am interested.

The secret reason why The Dark Knight did so well in theatre's was because of Nestor Carbonell's presence and Vincent's blessing.

[xeno6919]

This thread is seriously going too fast. lol
It really is, it's going faster than the last thread.

[batmannj]

It really is, it's going faster than the last thread.

I'm all for a fast thread at this point of the season, it builds anticipation.

[poppa Q]

Short story or novel? I'll look it up.

It's a play actually, by Tom Stoppard.

[xeno6919]

I'm all for a fast thread at this point of the season, it builds anticipation.
But sucks when you have to go to work then come home to a million pages, lol. Because I like to read every post, but not when there are 70 pages of them, haha. Oh well

[alboneceleste]

It really is, it's going faster than the last thread.

maybe we'll need a new one for the finale! lol

[batmannj]

But sucks when you have to go to work then come home to a million pages, lol. Because I like to read every post, but not when there are 70 pages of them, haha. Oh well

good point. I sometimes just skip reading them all if that is the case though. I will read all of them before the finale though, I want to be on top of my theorizing game.

[xeno6919]

maybe we'll need a new one for the finale! lol
Haha, to be honest, it might not be a bad idea to have another thread ready for the finale depending on how far this one is. Since it is 2 hours long we will have double the amount of posts.

[alann]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.

[IAmAmazing]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.
I'm not sure what to do when the hiatus starts, I'm going to be lost haha...pun

[alboneceleste]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.

I'll be here. I'm online at work so I take little breaks :)

[xeno6919]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.
I'll be hanging around during the break. Not sure if you all want me to or not though :-P

[nivek87]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.
some of my favorite times in this thread have been during the hiatus. I loved discussing food drop theories, when who was recruited to the island, and if dharma was was instituted then, who is related to who, richard malkin, isaac, john locke, and all the other meaningless things and people alike. some of my favorite parts about this show. the details.

its quite fun, whoever is new this season to this thread, i highly suggest sticking around.

[batmannj]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.

I think that a few weeks after the finale we should start a community rewatch of the first 4 or 5 seasons (we can rewatch the fifth on ninjavideo if people are cool with that being that the DVD's don't hit stores until December). I think if we started with doing maybe one episode a week or an episode every few days or whatever the discussion dictates.

[batmannj]

some of my favorite times in this thread have been during the hiatus. I loved discussing food drop theories, when who was recruited to the island, and if dharma was was instituted then, who is related to who, richard malkin, isaac, john locke, and all the other meaningless things and people alike. some of my favorite parts about this show. the details.

its quite fun, whoever is new this season to this thread, i highly suggest sticking around.

I definitely will. I am glad I found this site because now I have discovered (and rediscovered) some of my favorite bands and I also get to theorize on the LOST boards with all of you guys. I love this place and will definitely be here through out the offseason.

[nivek87]

I think that a few weeks after the finale we should start a community rewatch of the first 4 or 5 seasons (we can rewatch the fifth on ninjavideo if people are cool with that being that the DVD's don't hit stores until December). I think if we started with doing maybe one episode a week or an episode every few days or whatever the discussion dictates.
i'm always up for a re-watch. during the hiatus we had a good group of re-watches during Christmas break.

[nivek87]

I definitely will. I am glad I found this site because now I have discovered (and rediscovered) some of my favorite bands and I also get to theorize on the LOST boards with all of you guys. I love this place and will definitely be here through out the offseason.
i wish i could talk music on here, but so many people are just ignorant or assholes.

[alann]

Plus, the best theory ever (Locke the pedophile) came out on the hiatus.

[batmannj]

i'm always up for a re-watch. during the hiatus we had a good group of re-watches during Christmas break.

Same here. I have watched all of 1 and some of season 2 and I have really caught a lot more and my theories are much more developed seeing all of the different interactions with the Dharma stuff now that I am almost done with Season 5.

[alboneceleste]

I wont be participating in the rewatch because I'm watching them now with my boyfriend and we're only on season 1 now. But things will be fresh in my memory to participate in some conversations! :)

[batmannj]

i wish i could talk music on here, but so many people are just ignorant or assholes.

Yeah I try to stay out of the music discussions in the General Thread for that exact reason. I listen to a lot of stuff that is deemed unsavory by most on these boards, so that doesn't help either.

[alann]

i wish i could talk music on here, but so many people are just ignorant or assholes.
Something I love about this thread is that you guys have a great musical taste. Point for the LOST thread.

[whoaisame]

I just hope you guys don't abandon us on the hiatus. Last year we were like just 8 guys hanging out on the thread all summer long.

I was there, I'll be there again

[ThrownAwayKyle]

Eloise said last episode that "For the first time in a long time, I dont know whats going to happen next." She is definitely mysterious, and how she sees the future is unknown. Maybe when she shot Dan, she could see the future at that point, but for some reason the island or whatever didnt allow her to see that particular event because she was always meant to shoot Dan, if she knew before she shot him that it was her son, I'm sure she wouldnt have been so quick to shoot him. But like the red shoes part, she definitely can see something before it happens, which throws out the theory it is all things she had experianced before. Unless maybe she lives her own life over? But that would be way too complicated haha.

[alboneceleste]

I have lots of good taste in music but I am a Hanson fan too so I get about 100 points knocked off. hahahaha.

[alann]

I have lots of good taste in music but I am a Hanson fan too so I get about 100 points knocked off. hahahaha.
What are you talking about? The Walk was on my 2007 top 3. Great indie pop band.

[nivek87]

Yeah I try to stay out of the music discussions in the General Thread for that exact reason. I listen to a lot of stuff that is deemed unsavory by most on these boards, so that doesn't help either.
Yeah, its too much of a pain, plus everyone thinks they are funnier than the previous poster and they feel they have to top whatever was said before. luckily enough most of my friends listen to the same music as me and their parents played similiar music around them growing up as me so i feel i'm pretty lucky for that. especially when we are over at my place and i put on songs ranging from bob dylan to against me and everyone is singing along. i'm excited, i think 6 of us our seeing gaslight up in baltimore tomorrow night.

[nivek87]

Something I love about this thread is that you guys have a great musical taste. Point for the LOST thread.
+1. this is definitely true.
I was there, I'll be there again
good to hear.

[xeno6919]

Everyone enjoy tonights episode, i'm sure it wont disappoint. Off to work, fml.

[nivek87]

Everyone enjoy tonights episode, i'm sure it wont disappoint. Off to work, fml.
are you going to be off by 9 or watching later?

[alboneceleste]

What are you talking about? The Walk was on my 2007 top 3. Great indie pop band.

don't tell my boyfriend but I think I'm in love with you. hahaha.

[batmannj]

Yeah, its too much of a pain, plus everyone thinks they are funnier than the previous poster and they feel they have to top whatever was said before. luckily enough most of my friends listen to the same music as me and their parents played similiar music around them growing up as me so i feel i'm pretty lucky for that. especially when we are over at my place and i put on songs ranging from bob dylan to against me and everyone is singing along. i'm excited, i think 6 of us our seeing gaslight up in baltimore tomorrow night.

That is awesome dude. I am usually if I can get one friend to go to a concert with me. Then again sometimes solo concerting for me is where it's at.

[nivek87]

That is awesome dude. I am usually if I can get one friend to go to a concert with me. Then again sometimes solo concerting for me is where it's at.
definitely. i've gone to one show alone and it was definitely a good time, had a bunch of fun.

[sdbrown]

I'd also like to recommend Arcadia while we're on the topic. A little less science-fictiony but it's a great (and quick) read.
:cupid: ahhh! That is one of, if not my absolute, favorite plays! I haven't ever met someone else who has read it. Highly rec'd for anyone who hasn't heard of it. It's short too, you could read it in a couple of hours.

[nivek87]

speaking of good reads. I just started reading of mice and men after seeing a friend direct a play for it. its not really lost-related in the sense it will help you figure out possible secrets, however, it was featured in Stranger in a Strange Land and quoted by Sawyer and Ben during the ep. it was a really good play and is a really good book so far, so i highly rec it.

[ThrownAwayKyle]

That is awesome dude. I am usually if I can get one friend to go to a concert with me. Then again sometimes solo concerting for me is where it's at.

I hate solo concerting,I feel so out of place when I have no one to talk to haha

[starseed]

Yeah I try to stay out of the music discussions in the General Thread for that exact reason. I listen to a lot of stuff that is deemed unsavory by most on these boards, so that doesn't help either.

I'm pretty sure you guys would really like and approve of half of the bands in my library.

The other half however, would cancel those out. Pretty much instantly.

And I could never return here.

Ever.

[alboneceleste]

I'm pretty sure you guys would really like and approve of half of the bands in my library.

The other half however, would cancel those out. Pretty much instantly.

And I could never return here.

Ever.

really? worse than Hanson? :)

[starseed]

really? worse than Hanson? :)

Well considering that I've seen quite a lot of people here be okay with Hanson, I'm going to go ahead and say yes, probably. Very probably. In fact, I'm almost certain.

[stayillogical]

Yeah, its too much of a pain, plus everyone thinks they are funnier than the previous poster and they feel they have to top whatever was said before. luckily enough most of my friends listen to the same music as me and their parents played similiar music around them growing up as me so i feel i'm pretty lucky for that. especially when we are over at my place and i put on songs ranging from bob dylan to against me and everyone is singing along. i'm excited, i think 6 of us our seeing gaslight up in baltimore tomorrow night.

I'm jealous. I saw gaslight on my birthday in October, but I would have actually enjoyed it if I wasn't depressed about just having been in a car accident. Yep.

[stayillogical]

speaking of good reads. I just started reading of mice and men after seeing a friend direct a play for it. its not really lost-related in the sense it will help you figure out possible secrets, however, it was featured in Stranger in a Strange Land and quoted by Sawyer and Ben during the ep. it was a really good play and is a really good book so far, so i highly rec it.

http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1673125

For anyone with an account, add me!

[Ailite]

I will definitely stick around during the hiatus, I like you all to much to not.

[panasonicyouth]

Yeah, I'll be around too. All the other boards I post on don't stay active during the break. I'm too addicted.

[atticusfinch]

I'm hoping to actually be around during this break, unlike last time.

[alboneceleste]

less than 4 hours!!!!!!!!

[CellarGhosts]

Something I love about this thread is that you guys have a great musical taste. Point for the LOST thread.
Word. :highfive:

Yeah, its too much of a pain, plus everyone thinks they are funnier than the previous poster and they feel they have to top whatever was said before. luckily enough most of my friends listen to the same music as me and their parents played similiar music around them growing up as me so i feel i'm pretty lucky for that. especially when we are over at my place and i put on songs ranging from bob dylan to against me and everyone is singing along. i'm excited, i think 6 of us our seeing gaslight up in baltimore tomorrow night.
That's one of the many reason I never post in General. I wish my family jammed out to Against Me! haha. The only person in my family aside from myself who is strongly musically inclined is my cousin Brad, and he's always busy/lives out of state so I never get to see him. Bleh oh well.

[Ailite]

Awesome TV Guide article about the finale. No spoilers.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SgHqCe6HFNI/AAAAAAAAui8/p33Tc2XLbSY/s1600-h/TVGuide_2935_32_33.jpg
"There are revelations about my character so shocking that I can't even begin to describe them." -Terry O'Quinn (Locke)

[alboneceleste]

Awesome TV Guide article about the finale. No spoilers.

"There are revelations about my character so shocking that I can't even begin to describe them." -Terry O'Quinn (Locke)

I think I just wet my pants. haha.

[atticusfinch]

Anyone read the new doc jensen yet? Kind of interesting info on the song Faraday was playing on Piano. I definitely think he'll be the one who created the musical code Charlie had to break in The Looking Glass.

[atticusfinch]

Awesome TV Guide article about the finale. No spoilers.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SgHqCe6HFNI/AAAAAAAAui8/p33Tc2XLbSY/s1600-h/TVGuide_2935_32_33.jpg
"There are revelations about my character so shocking that I can't even begin to describe them." -Terry O'Quinn (Locke)

HO-LEE SHIT.

i need new pants.

[Ailite]

I think I just wet my pants. haha.
If I were wearing pants I would have shit them.
HO-LEE SHIT.

i need new pants.
I need new carpet.

[panasonicyouth]

FUCK. That TV Guide article may have gave me a boner. FUCK!!!

[sdbrown]

HO-LEE SHIT.

i need new pants.
i was going to type my reaction but it'd just be a jumble of letters. Oh my god it's only a week away :bounce:

http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1673125

For anyone with an account, add me!
I want to make an account but I haven't read a non-school book in like 2 years. :-( Perhaps I'll wait until this summer (TTW is currently waiting for me at home. Excited!)

[stayillogical]

I'd like to stay during the hiatus, but I can't make a promise I don't know if I can keep. Sorry, here's to hoping!

[Ailite]

I will get to know you all very well during the hiatus if we get bored talking about Lost

[nivek87]

Plus, the best theory ever (Locke the pedophile) came out on the hiatus.
I really think we are on to something
I'm jealous. I saw gaslight on my birthday in October, but I would have actually enjoyed it if I wasn't depressed about just having been in a car accident. Yep.
oh gosh, did you hear the 59 sound? sorry, when something serious happens i feel inclined to make jokes to lighten up the mood
http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1673125

For anyone with an account, add me!
i might have to sign up for this.
I'm hoping to actually be around during this break, unlike last time.
you better dude.
That's one of the many reason I never post in General. I wish my family jammed out to Against Me! haha. The only person in my family aside from myself who is strongly musically inclined is my cousin Brad, and he's always busy/lives out of state so I never get to see him. Bleh oh well.
forget indianapolis and move to richmond. i need a new roommate.

Awesome TV Guide article about the finale. No spoilers.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SgHqCe6HFNI/AAAAAAAAui8/p33Tc2XLbSY/s1600-h/TVGuide_2935_32_33.jpg
"There are revelations about my character so shocking that I can't even begin to describe them." -Terry O'Quinn (Locke)
nothing shocking at all. see the first quoted message in this post. saw this from a million miles away.

[panasonicyouth]

Sounds like a deal to me. I also feel like I know you guys way too well because I've been lurking this board like crazy for the last year. :(

AWKWARD.