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still_life

12/31/05, 07:14 PM

I'd like to see Tiki go over 230 yards, and lead the league in rushing instead of that stat whore in Seattle. He's easily going to lead the league in YFS.

Collins actually making a game out of this. One of these QBs will fold with INTs in the second half though.

still_life

12/31/05, 07:36 PM

Damn, Barber has 212 YFS early 3rd quarter.

Scott Weber

12/31/05, 08:03 PM

leafsacc

12/31/05, 08:48 PM

that will be a great defensive stand if it isn't reversed.

leafsacc

12/31/05, 08:51 PM

wow, first division title since 2000. I was in 8th grade. It's been a while.

still_life

12/31/05, 09:01 PM

booooo fucking hoo. this is the NFL. who isn't a stat whore in that position.

Alexander is the biggest stat whore in the NFL right now.

I'm not so sure the Giants stopped Collins on 4th down. No replay was really conclusive enough to overturn it though. A better game than I expected. But it's so easy to see why the Raiders are an awful team. The constant mistakes they make are ridiculous.

Broken Parachute

12/31/05, 09:13 PM

That goal line stand was amazing. I mean it IS the Raiders. None-the-less, good stand.

Scott Weber

12/31/05, 09:14 PM

Alexander is the biggest stat whore in the NFL right now.

I'm not so sure the Giants stopped Collins on 4th down. No replay was really conclusive enough to overturn it though. A better game than I expected. But it's so easy to see why the Raiders are an awful team. The constant mistakes they make are ridiculous.
He wants the TD record. Who wouldn't? You're telling me a typical running back in the NFL wouldn't want that record? Wouldn't want to play to break it? It's hard to say, because nobody in the league is in that posistion besides Shaun. The Hawks were playing to win last week, unlike the Colts.

I will say one thing though, Shaun's getting greedy as of late off the field. His agent is going to demand a ridiculous contract. I don't even know if it's worth it for the Hawks to resign him if he wants a long-term deal.

still_life

12/31/05, 09:40 PM

He wants the TD record. Who wouldn't? You're telling me a typical running back in the NFL wouldn't want that record? Wouldn't want to play to break it? It's hard to say, because nobody in the league is in that posistion besides Shaun. The Hawks were playing to win last week, unlike the Colts.

I will say one thing though, Shaun's getting greedy as of late off the field. His agent is going to demand a ridiculous contract. I don't even know if it's worth it for the Hawks to resign him if he wants a long-term deal.

Let the record come in the general flow of the game, like Manning's did last year. That 3rd TD last week was a joke. And it's not just this year, look at how he acted after the "I was stabbed in the back" for the rushing title last year. I hope the Green Bay defense plays an inspired game to stop him from getting both titles. He'll probably demand 30 carries if he had to get it, and I don't think Holmgren would do it.

There will be plenty of RB's available in free agency and the draft, I would never break the bank for Alexander with that offensive line. Just get someone that's a proven starter and he'll be just fine.

still_life

12/31/05, 09:44 PM

And Eli finishes the season with a 52.8% completion percentage. Horrible. This isn't 1960.

Criesofthepast7

12/31/05, 09:49 PM

if collins had the ball in his right hand instead of his left that could have been a touchdown.
overall it was a good game.

Thomas Sway

01/01/06, 05:06 AM

selftitled85

01/01/06, 08:26 AM

It was a good game. I think Collins was in.

About Alexander though, I totally agree that they shouldn't shell out the money for him. Yeah he's been putting up some big numbers, but he's running behind two of the best guys in the game. Trade for anyone even descent and save the money. Let someone else have him.

no way. alexander IS seattle. everyone loves him. the offense is built around him. that would be a huge mistake.

my heart was in my throat when tiki went down for a sec with an injury...thank god he is fine.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 11:31 AM

Let the record come in the general flow of the game, like Manning's did last year. That 3rd TD last week was a joke. And it's not just this year, look at how he acted after the "I was stabbed in the back" for the rushing title last year. I hope the Green Bay defense plays an inspired game to stop him from getting both titles. He'll probably demand 30 carries if he had to get it, and I don't think Holmgren would do it.

There will be plenty of RB's available in free agency and the draft, I would never break the bank for Alexander with that offensive line. Just get someone that's a proven starter and he'll be just fine.
For once I'm actually leaning towards agreeing with you here. I feel like here in GB, he's got his record, and now the Hawks are losing the game because they're just handing it off to him every touch. Plus, we're sitting offensive linemen, including Jones. It just goes to show that Shaun without Seattle's O-Line coupled with their passing threat is only about a #5 back in this league.

What other running backs are available for free agency after this year is over? Shaun is 29. I don't know if it's a good idea to give him the 7 year, 10 trillion dollar contract his agent wants or whatever.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 11:33 AM

no way. alexander IS seattle. everyone loves him. the offense is built around him. that would be a huge mistake.

my heart was in my throat when tiki went down for a sec with an injury...thank god he is fine.
I don't think the offense is built around Shaun, I think it's built around Hasselbeck. Shaun fits into the system perfectly in Seattle, and there's something to be said for that, but even when he comes out Mo Morris does just fine. Point being, if Shaun does leave, it's not the end of the world in Seattle.

Drew Beringer

01/01/06, 11:35 AM

I hope the Packers win.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 11:37 AM

I don't think the offense is built around Shaun, I think it's built around Hasselbeck. Shaun fits into the system perfectly in Seattle, and there's something to be said for that, but even when he comes out Mo Morris does just fine. Point being, if Shaun does leave, it's not the end of the world in Seattle.

yeah, morris is a capable back. but without alexander, they're probably not much more than a 9-7, 10-6 team. if they do decide to pass on him and they relocate that money into filling other needs, then they're likely still a contender.

itsjdiggity

01/01/06, 11:38 AM

GB's running back looks like Sean Paul
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/players/6/7420.jpg

still_life

01/01/06, 11:41 AM

For once I'm actually leaning towards agreeing with you here. I feel like here in GB, he's got his record, and now the Hawks are losing the game because they're just handing it off to him every touch. Plus, we're sitting offensive linemen, including Jones. It just goes to show that Shaun without Seattle's O-Line coupled with their passing threat is only about a #5 back in this league.

What other running backs are available for free agency after this year is over? Shaun is 29. I don't know if it's a good idea to give him the 7 year, 10 trillion dollar contract his agent wants or whatever.

Edge, Ahman Green, Davenport, Greg Jones, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor to name a few

Shaun Alexander just fumbled in the redzone while he tried to get the rushing title. Dumbass.

Drew Beringer

01/01/06, 12:24 PM

Woooo Packers are winning.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 01:50 PM

yeah, morris is a capable back. but without alexander, they're probably not much more than a 9-7, 10-6 team. if they do decide to pass on him and they relocate that money into filling other needs, then they're likely still a contender.
Absolutely not. Shows you know very little about Seattle. They'd be 11-5 at least.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 01:51 PM

Edge, Ahman Green, Davenport, Greg Jones, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor to name a few

Shaun Alexander just fumbled in the redzone while he tried to get the rushing title. Dumbass.
He already had the rushing title several plays before. Holmgren kept him in the game because the Hawks were losing. Dumbass. You're so quick to pass judgement on Seattle/Alexander, it gets so old. We know you hate him, but at least be justified.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 02:15 PM

Absolutely not. Shows you know very little about Seattle. They'd be 11-5 at least.

Ahhh I know that Morris has only got one career TD in 162 carries. Also, with the exception of one game at Houston, he has barely over 3 yards a carry. That's working with the same line as Alexander. His two games with more than 10 carries he put up: 4 yards on 11 carries, and 33 yards on 15 carries. Morris averages 1.8 yards a carry after he already has ten - that tells me he'll have a hard time handling the wear and tear of being a feature back.

A lot of Seattle's success is a result of Hasselbeck and the O-Line, there's no doubt about that. Alexander isn't just a product of the system though. He's a elite talent. Morris can be serviceable and a decent option, but take away Alexander from that offense and I don't think this team is capable of 13-3, 12-4, 11-5. I don't think Morris is a for sure 1,000 yard back and it's pretty hard to be one of the best teams in the league without one.

still_life

01/01/06, 02:25 PM

He already had the rushing title several plays before. Holmgren kept him in the game because the Hawks were losing. Dumbass. You're so quick to pass judgement on Seattle/Alexander, it gets so old. We know you hate him, but at least be justified.

Funny how on a football message board people (including Seattle fans) were pissed off with the first half of the game today. It was all pathetic stat padding. Holmgren was almost getting his QB killed on 4th down just so they can keep feeding the stat whore the ball. Can you explain why Alexander had to get 20 carries in the first half of a meaningless road game in week 17? He's a greedy little bitch that puts himself above the team. Did he ever congratulate Curtis Martin for the rushing title last year? Of course not, he was just worried about himself.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 02:27 PM

Ahhh I know that Morris has only got one career TD in 162 carries. Also, with the exception of one game at Houston, he has barely over 3 yards a carry. That's working with the same line as Alexander. His two games with more than 10 carries he put up: 4 yards on 11 carries, and 33 yards on 15 carries. Morris averages 1.8 yards a carry after he already has ten - that tells me he'll have a hard time handling the wear and tear of being a feature back.

A lot of Seattle's success is a result of Hasselbeck and the O-Line, there's no doubt about that. Alexander isn't just a product of the system though. He's a elite talent. Morris can be serviceable and a decent option, but take away Alexander from that offense and I don't think this team is capable of 13-3, 12-4, 11-5. I don't think Morris is a for sure 1,000 yard back and it's pretty hard to be one of the best teams in the league without one.
You're saying that assuming that the Hawks won't pick up another back besides Morris last year, which was never what I was implying. i find it pretty obvious that Seattle won't settle for Morris as a starter next year. At least I hope so...

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 02:28 PM

Funny how on a football message board people (including Seattle fans) were pissed off with the first half of the game today. It was all pathetic stat padding. Holmgren was almost getting his QB killed on 4th down just so they can keep feeding the stat whore the ball. Can you explain why Alexander had to get 20 carries in the first half of a meaningless road game in week 17? He's a greedy little bitch that puts himself above the team. Did he ever congratulate Curtis Martin for the rushing title last year? Of course not, he was just worried about himself.
That doesn't change the fact that you were 100% wrong in your statement about him fumbling on a run to break the rushing record, but ok.

still_life

01/01/06, 02:35 PM

That doesn't change the fact that you were 100% wrong in your statement about him fumbling on a run to break the rushing record, but ok.

Who cares? He still fumbled on a run to pad his stats when he should have been on the sidelines. That wasted score could have resulted in a win today too.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 02:43 PM

You're saying that assuming that the Hawks won't pick up another back besides Morris last year, which was never what I was implying. i find it pretty obvious that Seattle won't settle for Morris as a starter next year. At least I hope so...

well what i was saying in the other post is that they can let Alexander go if they relocate that money to fill other needs. I just don't think they can subtract Alexander, plug in Morris, and expect to compete for the Super Bowl.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 02:52 PM

Who cares? He still fumbled on a run to pad his stats when he should have been on the sidelines. That wasted score could have resulted in a win today too.
How was he padding his stats? He already broke the record, Holmgren left him in the game because they were in the 2 minute drill trying to score. I don't understand how that's Shaun being a stat-padder and not Holmgren, or just how there's anything wrong with trying to score to end the half.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 02:52 PM

well what i was saying in the other post is that they can let Alexander go if they relocate that money to fill other needs. I just don't think they can subtract Alexander, plug in Morris, and expect to compete for the Super Bowl.
I agree with that.

still_life

01/01/06, 03:07 PM

How was he padding his stats? He already broke the record, Holmgren left him in the game because they were in the 2 minute drill trying to score. I don't understand how that's Shaun being a stat-padder and not Holmgren, or just how there's anything wrong with trying to score to end the half.

Just stop there. The whole game meant nothing, so he obviously just played for stats, so he should have been out of the game by that point.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 03:09 PM

Just stop there. The whole game meant nothing, so he obviously just played for stats, so he should have been out of the game by that point.
What would you do if you were Holmgren? Wouldn't you want to keep your star happy? This is his contract year. Not letting him try for records only gives him more incentive to leave.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 03:34 PM

What would you do if you were Holmgren? Wouldn't you want to keep your star happy? This is his contract year. Not letting him try for records only gives him more incentive to leave.

I'd tell him to suck it up and think about the team. The ultimate goal is the Super Bowl, and you can't lose sight of that to keep your RB from throwing a fit. If he wants to throw a fit ..get rid of him. It takes balls, but it's the kind of attitude that your players need to have. That's been the foundation of Bellichek's teams since he arrived here in New England and it's the reason our team has won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.

I like Seattle and I like Alexander, but something tells me his attitude "adjustment" is a result of the Seahawks winning, and not vice versa.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 03:42 PM

I'd tell him to suck it up and think about the team. The ultimate goal is the Super Bowl, and you can't lose sight of that to keep your RB from throwing a fit. If he wants to throw a fit ..get rid of him. It takes balls, but it's the kind of attitude that your players need to have. That's been the foundation of Bellichek's teams since he arrived here in New England and it's the reason our team has won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.

I like Seattle and I like Alexander, but something tells me his attitude "adjustment" is a result of the Seahawks winning, and not vice versa.
did you even read what I said? This is the NFL. It is a business. Shaun's not the only one with this mentality. Let's see....allow stat padding or just say fuck it and let the NFL MVP walk away because he's unhappy. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me. I wish Shaun didn't care so much, but he does, and the decision between the 2 is obvious.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 04:03 PM

did you even read what I said? This is the NFL. It is a business. Shaun's not the only one with this mentality. Let's see....allow stat padding or just say fuck it and let the NFL MVP walk away because he's unhappy. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me. I wish Shaun didn't care so much, but he does, and the decision between the 2 is obvious.

Obviously you want your players to aspire for the kind of success Alexander is having, but you want it to come naturally during the course of the season. You didnt see Deion Branch asking for the game plan to be altered today cause he needed 40 yards to make it a 1,000 yard season.

You need to create a culture in your organization of a true "team" and everybody needs to be in on that, especially your best player. The Alexander situation is an example of that: what was best for him today wasnt best for the whole team. Imagine if he got hurt??

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 04:52 PM

Obviously you want your players to aspire for the kind of success Alexander is having, but you want it to come naturally during the course of the season. You didnt see Deion Branch asking for the game plan to be altered today cause he needed 40 yards to make it a 1,000 yard season.

You need to create a culture in your organization of a true "team" and everybody needs to be in on that, especially your best player. The Alexander situation is an example of that: what was best for him today wasnt best for the whole team. Imagine if he got hurt??
Did you seriously just compare Deion Branch hitting 1,000 to getting the NFL rushing title? Or the all-time touchdown record? Wow. Shaun is a team player. The past few games, because of the Seahawks' clinch of their playoff destiny, he has been selfish. There's no argument there. I don't see how that's out of the norm for a player in his posistion. (NFL Records, Rushing title) ... don't even try to pull any lesser feat out to compare it to, because it's nowhere near the same.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 05:04 PM

Did you seriously just compare Deion Branch hitting 1,000 to getting the NFL rushing title? Or the all-time touchdown record? Wow. Shaun is a team player. The past few games, because of the Seahawks' clinch of their playoff destiny, he has been selfish. There's no argument there. I don't see how that's out of the norm for a player in his posistion. (NFL Records, Rushing title) ... don't even try to pull any lesser feat out to compare it to, because it's nowhere near the same.

He did the same thing last year. It's become a pattern. As a Seattle fan, you are bias and understandably so. The 1,000 yards and the rushing title are the same to me because their both personal accolades, which have no business influencing a team's gameplan and direction. It's that simple to me.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 05:30 PM

He did the same thing last year. It's become a pattern. As a Seattle fan, you are bias and understandably so. The 1,000 yards and the rushing title are the same to me because their both personal accolades, which have no business influencing a team's gameplan and direction. It's that simple to me.
Regardless that "their" both personal accolades, and that I am "bias," (yikes) you can't seriously be arguing that an NFL rushing title and a 1,000 barrier is the same thing. One puts you in the NFL Record books forever, and the other is something many rushers get every single year. If you're actually going to sit here and argue that those 2 mean the same thing, then we're done discussing it, because that's probably the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen.

LeftWideOpen

01/01/06, 05:58 PM

Regardless that "their" both personal accolades, and that I am "bias," (yikes) you can't seriously be arguing that an NFL rushing title and a 1,000 barrier is the same thing. One puts you in the NFL Record books forever, and the other is something many rushers get every single year. If you're actually going to sit here and argue that those 2 mean the same thing, then we're done discussing it, because that's probably the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen.

I'm saying in terms of the team's ultimate goal, all personal accolades mean the same: nothing. Everything comes back to the team's best interest. Alexander's unnecessary pursuit of the title put the team and the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl in jeopardy. What happened to Alexander today didn't benefit Seattle in any way ..it just benefited Alexander.

Scott Weber

01/01/06, 06:18 PM

I'm saying in terms of the team's ultimate goal, all personal accolades mean the same: nothing. Everything comes back to the team's best interest. Alexander's unnecessary pursuit of the title put the team and the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl in jeopardy. What happened to Alexander today didn't benefit Seattle in any way ..it just benefited Alexander.
It didn't hurt them either. And his rushing did benefit the team, it got them points. A win would have been nice for Seattle, can't hurt to walk into the playoffs with a 12 game winning streak. I still can't get over that ridiculous statement, though. Go to ESPN.com and watch the interview with Shaun about his 28th touchdown and maybe then you'll understand it a little better.