Article On FSU

[Frank Giaramita]

Stranger.com (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=25874) posted an article on the recent disruption of a Seattle show by hardcore "gang" FSU (Friends Stands United).

[romantic rights]

fuckers. i love how bros and assholes seem to be ruining a whole scene. i feel sorry for all the kids too. hopefully something will be done about them. I honestly think these guys give themselves their bad name.

[AreTwoKay]

Some FSU guys showed up at a Madball show around here but luckly nothing happened

[patrickhowell]

FSU (And all other crews) are just a bunch of jocks.


Hardcore is the new football... with double-bass and brass knuckles.

[dfb1220]

a friend of mine is a member of FSU and got arrested for murder last month after beating a guy to death

[clintdaddy]

a friend of mine is a member of FSU and got arrested for murder last month after beating a guy to death

wow, thats cool!

[DaveFeelsRight]

What a bunch of gayasses.

[Gabe Gross]

they really are giant douche bags trying to prove their small penises

assholes

[MrukMosh]

You guys talk way to much shit about stuff you don't understand online.

[futurebreed]

You guys talk way to much shit about stuff you don't understand online.

What do you expect? They worship The Early November and Brand New. Enough said

[Brianfarg]

What happened to the days when hardcore was about community? I wish I was around to remember them. Long Island's had this same problem for a while, and it's time for these people to get over themselves; there's nothing wrong with going to shows with a group of your friends, but "enforcing respect in hardcore" by beating the shit out of people is counter-productive and to my understanding goes against the basic principles of what hardcore is supposed to be about. It's time shit like this stops.

[DaveFeelsRight]

hay hay hay, leave Brand New out of this.

[thispostscript]

What do you expect? They worship The Early November and Brand New. Enough said
yea dude it's real cheesy to like brand new and TEN but it's awesome for 20-30yr old dudes to beat the shit out of kids at a show.

[preppyak]

You guys talk way to much shit about stuff you don't understand online.
I'm sorry, I guess I missed since people around here don't show up with machetes and hammers I don't truly understand music :shake:

Get real, the fact that FSU even showed up to stop the show is retarded. You're right, I don't know anything about them, but if they think they can determine whoe does and doesn't play music, I don't care, they are still idiots.

yea dude it's real cheesy to like brand new and TEN but it's awesome for 20-30yr old dudes to beat the shit out of kids at a show.
Shhh, they might decide your their next target. I usually hate when people drop this line, but when did it ever become about anything more than music. If it has to involve how big your ego is to have fun, then I'll gladly misunderstand and ignore it.

[Midtown19]

Like I've said before, send these guys to Iraq. Have them fight for a cause worth fighting for besides a stupid music scene... The things these individuals do are so laughable. Killing someone over hardcore?? Sad... I hope their parents are proud of them...

[JacksColdSweat]

Thats ridiculous, these guys need to grow up. They should also be careful calling themselves a gang, there are real gangs out there who would'nt think twice about jumping or killing them.

[gengen]

this is out of control. let the scene get ruined and watch all your favorite bands not be able to tour because kids are afraid to come to shows because. they will all get scared they will get shot/killed/assulted/beat up. rediculous.

[gengen]

let these dudes face the Salvatrucha gang...they have like 50,000 in the US alone.

[Brianfarg]

Thats ridiculous, these guys need to grow up. They should also be careful calling themselves a gang, there are real gangs out there who would'nt think twice about jumping or killing them.

Being that you live on Long Island, I'm sure you've heard of the crap that goes on around here. It's ridiculous, and how many venues have we lost due to stuff like this?

[level4loser]

you kids think thats lame... go to chicago and deal with the CMS and Chi Town 77 douchebags. ive had to run from those dudes before. plus, the cops dont bother them, even when violence is involved. ive seen a cop watch a skin kick the shit out of a muslim dude outside the metro after an against me show and do nothing about it.

gotta love skins...



their entire existence is based around beating people up that talk shit on message boards. if i go to seattle (which i will soon), and i run into FSU, im going to make out with all their husbands.

[ilovebsb]

i thought it stood of fuck shit up and it was originated out've boston. hence the dvd entitled "boston beat downs" but if i'm wrong i'd loved to be informed of my misunderstandings.

[brandonrocks]

stupid jocks

[futurebreed]

i thought it stood of fuck shit up and it was originated out've boston. hence the dvd entitled "boston beat downs" but if i'm wrong i'd loved to be informed of my misunderstandings.

The boston FSU is Friends Stand United. Boston Beatdown contains clips from beatdowns from the FSU but is not limited to nor endorsed by the FSU. Read the disclaimer on www.bostonbeatdown.com on the front.

[halifaxsb86]

this is getting really fucked up

[el_flasho]

man, that's fucking stupid.

[yeahlikeheyheyz]

FSU...I like how the only reason they are still a gang and are active is because of their "talk shit, get hit" attitude. I dont like them, they do nothing for hardcore.

[yutsmcgee]

the hardcore community used to be about giving the misfits and outsiders a place where they belong. now they have to worry about getting the shit kicked out of them. there was a bunch of linebacker looking ***s that came and tried to fuck up a saosin/no warning show here a while back. but they weren't successful. but honestly, they think they're a real gang? please. they ain't shit. they'd piss their pants if they ever rolled up on a real gang.

[steve-0]

You guys talk way to much shit about stuff you don't understand online.
There is nothing to understand except that they are instigating violence. Period. Therefore, they are morons and any point they want to make is rendered meaningless.

dunces

[xeroedhorizons]

This whole FSU thing is the main reason as a promoter and booker myself do almost all my shows at teen centers. It keeps the jackasses out, and is open to kids who want to come listen to music in a safe, positive enviroment.

[underthetalking]

Stranger.com (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=25874) posted an article on the recent disruption of a Seattle show by hardcore "gang" FSU (Friends Stands United).


FSU means Fuck Shit Up.

And fuck those guys.

[paul manley]

that shits fucked up.

but i've gone to a bunch of shows where fsu members are there and they usually leave everybody alone as long as you don't do anything to them

[In Dolorosa]

wooah, everyone, be careful what you say. FSU might be reading this!

this is so ridiclous. music should be about coming together, that's what it is about.

i love that feeling at a show, when everyone's hands are in the air, and you look around, everyone's singing along.. you feel infinite. and you look to your right or left, and you just lock eyes with someone and smile, and think to yourself this is the greatest feeling in the world. we shouldn't have to worry about "gang members".

plus, they're all in their 20's? grow the fuck up.

[splitsecond]

A good friend of mine lives up in Seattle and is in the hardcore scene there. I guess he had a friend in FSU who was down in Tucson for the show where the guy was shot, and his understanding of what happened was completely different than what the newspapers told.

But, the kid was never charged, so I think we know who's interpretation is correct.

I wonder how long he will defend FSU if they keep getting his shows shut down in his own scene.

[justanact]

i thought it stood of fuck shit up and it was originated out've boston. hence the dvd entitled "boston beat downs" but if i'm wrong i'd loved to be informed of my misunderstandings.

FSU stands for Friends Stand United...but they also aquired the name Fuck Shit Up, because thats what they do...they fuck shit up for the most ridiculous reasons they can think of.

It's just weird that they were in seattle...they are mostly and Northeastern thing. I remember FSU showed up at a Crisis show I was at in Albany. They showed up for a band that was opening called All Out War. I remember the singer was pretty much screaming that if you weren't fucking dancing, then you shouldn't even be there. Then all the kids proceeded to take off their shirts...ahd matching black tank-tops...and practically took over the whole floor. The crowd fell like dominos, I flipped over the guard border and lost my shoe and my friend, she got squashed by this 400 pound dude...and we weren't even NEAR the pit. There weren't any incidents, but it was clearly all about intimidation. If they want respect, then how about they pick a fucking good cause and do some charity work or something. They aren't going to get respect by trying to scare people and create violence. They cause their OWN bad names and then get pissed when somebody acknowledges that.

But yea...these are the kind of guys that bring guns to shows and ruin scenes. Its about fucking COMMUNITY...not gangs and violence. Hardcore may have been pretty violent in the 80's....but that was then, this is now and nobody is impressed.

Just reminds of that Good Clean Fun song.

"They say that dancing is a way of life
And all the untough had better think twice
Well I'm not going to take it sitting down anymore
It's time that we took back the dance floor

Let's hear it for the boy who'll say
"Get this macho tough guy shit away"
The scene is just like a small town
And we don't want your kind around

If we sit back and blindly follow the crowd
There will soon be no dancing allowed
And I think we all know there is no excuse
Did we learn nothing from Footloose?

I want to see you dance without the violence"

[WeDreamOfDays]

FSU means Fuck Shit Up.

And fuck those guys.

No, it actually does stand for Friends Stand United. These guys are trying to create a hardcore community with people who have to prove themselves hardcore. The only thing is, in their minds hardcore is about being able to prove yourself when times are violent and if you can't then you're out.

[HoboAdam]

when did long island have this problem, ive been going to shows around long island and the nyc area for about 7 years, i have never seen any hardcore gangs.



i dont understand why these gangs or whatever you want to call them feel they deserve respect from people, what have they done to earn it

[Bloodsucker|Pt2]

Just reminds of that Good Clean Fun song.

"They say that dancing is a way of life
And all the untough had better think twice
Well I'm not going to take it sitting down anymore
It's time that we took back the dance floor

Let's hear it for the boy who'll say
"Get this macho tough guy shit away"
The scene is just like a small town
And we don't want your kind around

If we sit back and blindly follow the crowd
There will soon be no dancing allowed
And I think we all know there is no excuse
Did we learn nothing from Footloose?

I want to see you dance without the violence"

i dig it.

[Kif]

I'm surprised that people haven't fought back against the FSU, although that would mean stooping to their level.

[fearthesloths]

as bad as it sounds, i felt good when i read the part in that article where it said that one guy shot a member of FSU and he later died in hospital, fuck him.. i know shooting people isn't right, but neither is going around with weapons and using violence to intimidate people because you are insecure about yourself... he asked for it.

[nerogtr]

The boston FSU is Friends Stand United. Boston Beatdown contains clips from beatdowns from the FSU but is not limited to nor endorsed by the FSU. Read the disclaimer on www.bostonbeatdown.com on the front.


watched it. biggest waste of my life. the video is a disgusting display of the worst aspects of human existance: needless violence, unconcious actions, and flat out ignorance. i cant believe people think that shit is cool.

[nerogtr]

FSU stands for Friends Stand United...but they also aquired the name Fuck Shit Up, because thats what they do...they fuck shit up for the most ridiculous reasons they can think of.

It's just weird that they were in seattle...they are mostly and Northeastern thing. I remember FSU showed up at a Crisis show I was at in Albany. They showed up for a band that was opening called All Out War. I remember the singer was pretty much screaming that if you weren't fucking dancing, then you shouldn't even be there. Then all the kids proceeded to take off their shirts...ahd matching black tank-tops...and practically took over the whole floor. The crowd fell like dominos, I flipped over the guard border and lost my shoe and my friend, she got squashed by this 400 pound dude...and we weren't even NEAR the pit. There weren't any incidents, but it was clearly all about intimidation. If they want respect, then how about they pick a fucking good cause and do some charity work or something. They aren't going to get respect by trying to scare people and create violence. They cause their OWN bad names and then get pissed when somebody acknowledges that.

But yea...these are the kind of guys that bring guns to shows and ruin scenes. Its about fucking COMMUNITY...not gangs and violence. Hardcore may have been pretty violent in the 80's....but that was then, this is now and nobody is impressed.

Just reminds of that Good Clean Fun song.

"They say that dancing is a way of life
And all the untough had better think twice
Well I'm not going to take it sitting down anymore
It's time that we took back the dance floor

Let's hear it for the boy who'll say
"Get this macho tough guy shit away"
The scene is just like a small town
And we don't want your kind around

If we sit back and blindly follow the crowd
There will soon be no dancing allowed
And I think we all know there is no excuse
Did we learn nothing from Footloose?

I want to see you dance without the violence"

amen

[rmenteer14]

watched it. biggest waste of my life. the video is a disgusting display of the worst aspects of human existance: needless violence, unconcious actions, and flat out ignorance. i cant believe people think that shit is cool.


agreed.

[Punkdc]

Bad times...I cant believe music is declining so much.

[Manbotisdead]

Anyone ever watch cheers?

man I love Boston.

[Brianfarg]

when did long island have this problem, ive been going to shows around long island and the nyc area for about 7 years, i have never seen any hardcore gangs.



i dont understand why these gangs or whatever you want to call them feel they deserve respect from people, what have they done to earn it

Long Island has a gang called "Thug Squad" running around. I haven't heard about them for a few months now, but they've been around.

[sweetmik]

"If a dozen young black men showed up to a local hiphop show threatening fans, performers, and promoters with violence, it’d easily make front-page news.

“It was explained that as long as we didn’t do anything ‘***goty,’ we would be all right,” says Brown"

That's from the article.

The first is horribly true and the second is just horrible.

[futurebreed]

watched it. biggest waste of my life. the video is a disgusting display of the worst aspects of human existance: needless violence, unconcious actions, and flat out ignorance. i cant believe people think that shit is cool.

The sad thing is I know a lot of kids in this area that worship that video. I'm all for hardcore and everything, but the Boston Beatdown DVD made the scene internationally known, and a lot more kids came out wearing the Beatdown and FSU t-shirts and starting shit after that second DVD came out. A lot of venues in NH, if you bust out a video camera without the venue owner knowing about it beforehand, you get your ass kicked out. They don't want the third beatdown being filmed on their venue ground.

[futurebreed]

I'm surprised that people haven't fought back against the FSU, although that would mean stooping to their level.

I see a lot of kids try to fight back in the Boston area, and then they get like five or ten big guys pummeling the shit out of them. No wonder nobody wants to fight back anymore, except for the ignorant ones who don't realize how much shit they are about to get into. And some venues who support the FSU end up kicking out the kid who got the shit beat out of him for "fighting."

[swirlofhues]

wow.

this is the stupidest shit ever. dangers, sometimes giving kids concussions because of "messageboard shit talking", a fucking hardcore gang in general.


how could anyone ever give them respect? i'm in complete disgust at how pathetic these suburban kids have stooped to. nothing gives them the right to think they 'dominate' the hardcore scene or any scene. fuck them.

[nerogtr]

Bad times...I cant believe music is declining so much.

music isn't declining: people are declining behind the vail of music, using it to justify their actions. honestly, you can compare it to radical muslims (and other religions) commiting acts of violence in the name of god.

[Salomonbz90]

hope these guys can come to some pittsburgh shows, like the fuck them up big time.

[nerogtr]

i dont think fighting back helps anything. doing nothing doesn't help either though. people like FSU thrive on the attention and the boost their ego gets from feeling superior to others. its the 3rd grade bully all grown up. fighting is what they want, so it wont help to give them that satisfaction. i think the best thing we can do is keep posting news like this one to keep people aware of this parasite in our scene. although the publicity might initually be giving them the attention they want, we need to make it known that this kind of behavior isn't wanted here, and wont be tolerated by venue owners, promoters, etc. im down with dancing, unity, and having a goood time but groups like FSU destroy these by dividing the scene, and hurting others.

[WSUskee]

I cant believe this happened in Seattle I have seen very little violence at the shows I have been to. Why is it cool to beat the shit out of people. You will get more respect by doing about anything else. Get the fuck out of Seattle FSU.

[00spool]

The Dead Kennedy's
"Nazi Punks Fuck Off"

Punk ain't no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
You ain't hardcore cos you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head

Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks-Fuck Off!

Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks-Fuck Off!

If you've come to fight, get outa here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy

[Repeat chorus]

Ten guys jump one, what a man
You fight each other, the police state wins
Stab your backs when you trash our halls
Trash a bank if you've got real balls

You still think swastikas look cool
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go

[Repeat chorus]

You'll be the first to go
You'll be the first to go
You'll be the first to go
Unless you think

That song came out in 1981, that's right kids 25 years ago.

[fluke182]

This is why the hardcore scene is retarded.

[fluke182]

I cant believe this happened in Seattle I have seen very little violence at the shows I have been to. Why is it cool to beat the shit out of people. You will get more respect by doing about anything else. Get the fuck out of Seattle FSU.
I doubt you're going to these types of shows, these are small DIY shows from what it sounds like with just odd hardcore bands.

[Cocky Caucasion]

Anyone ever watch cheers?

man I love Boston.
word, boston is great

[nsgob22]

what bands support fsu?

[getupkid619]

This shit has got to stop!
What the fuck do these crews come out to shows to beat the shit out of kids. Can some please explain that to me. Whats the point. What does that accomplish.
There just ruining the scene.
If this keeps up we wont have a scene at all.

[ForeverInADay]

Some FSU guys showed up at a Madball show around here but luckly nothing happened
I've seen your avatar on some bands myspace, I can't remember which band.

What band is that from? lol

[nerogtr]

there is no point. its self glorification. selfishness, ignorance, and unconciousness working in tandem to boost some tough guy's ego cause he can't figure out any healthy way to be happy. they are finding temporary happyness in the form of fleeting bursts of superiority through violence. after the fight is over, after the tough guy circle jerks and high fives are done, are they all left with what they started with: boredom and unhappyness so they just go do it again next weekend. nothing they ever do in association with FSU will ever improve their life situation permenantly enough to make it worthwhile. think of the scene in american history x where the teacher asks edward norton in jail if anything he had done (gang violence) had ever made his life any better. no.

[ForeverInADay]

a friend of mine is a member of FSU and got arrested for murder last month after beating a guy to death
whoa...that's tough.

Why'd he beat the guy to death?

[ForeverInADay]

i love that feeling at a show, when everyone's hands are in the air, and you look around, everyone's singing along.. you feel infinite. and you look to your right or left, and you just lock eyes with someone and smile, and think to yourself this is the greatest feeling in the world. we shouldn't have to worry about "gang members".
hahahaha dude, you must live in a fucking musical where its all spontaneous song and dance...somewhere like San Fransisco

[nerogtr]

hahahaha dude, you must live in a fucking musical where its all spontaneous song and dance...somewhere like San Fransisco

lol, although worded romanticaly, they aren't wrong. what makes a concert, and music in general, so attractive to everyone is that it brings us in the the present. stay with me here, lol: depression, aggression, and many other negative emotions are products of us thinking of events in the past. anxiety and fear and products of us thinking about the future. music and concerts allow us to escape past and future, and just enjoy the present: to be "caught up in the moment" so to speak. if concertgoers have to worry about the potential of violence, anxiety and fear have been introduced into what was once an escape from these two things.

[ForeverInADay]

lol, although worded romanticaly, they aren't wrong. what makes a concert, and music in general, so attractive to everyone is that it brings us in the the present. stay with me here, lol: depression, aggression, and many other negative emotions are products of us thinking of events in the past. anxiety and fear and products of us thinking about the future. music and concerts allow us to escape past and future, and just enjoy the present: to be "caught up in the moment" so to speak. if concertgoers have to worry about the potential of violence, anxiety and fear have been introduced into what was once an escape from these two things.
hahaha yeah i know, It was just fucking gold how he said it.

I totally agree, but it was just funny.

Apparently FSU are coming to Toronto for Juggernaut Fest (Jan 21st) with CBK/Cancer Bats/Rad Affair.
sweet times.

(I'm quoting my friends friend)

[nerogtr]

My roommate is from Windsor....i think thats close to Toronto...maybe not. Hopefully FSU doesnt' "fuck shit up" at that show. Lets keep music a positive force haha.

[Manbotisdead]

hahahaha dude, you must live in a fucking musical where its all spontaneous song and dance...somewhere like San Fransisco


HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that was pretty funny.

[patrickhowell]

Some kids in my town tried to start a crew.

Their leader hit my friend in the face for talking about the crew online.

Now he's in jail, with a felony charge on his record and a huge fine.

The crew disbanded.

[MrukMosh]

First off, I would like to say that your getting my bias opinion because I love hardcore and every aspect, besides the murdering in the street that that cool.

Hardcore is a violent culture, anyone who goes to shows should know that. I get mad when people go out of their ways to say "oh fuck Crews, there the reason why we can't go to shows an feel safe!" If you want to feel safe at a show, stick to non-hardcore shows, but in general even without crews violence would still surround shows. Hardcore is a community, you go to a show, as long as your not an idiot and act like your the shit your gonna get along with kids. Don't talk shit, thats pretty much what this article is about, the band was talking shit. If someone was talking shit about you, you would most likely confront them about it and if you knew you could stop that from talking shit, wouldn't you?

well if you understand it then fill us in

because i personally don't believe that there is anything to understand but a bunch of assholes making up a bullshit group to feel like they are important

when they are really a waste of life

It's a culture and a lifestyle, these guys from Boston, they don't just go to shows this is their lives. They live hardcore. I know thats a hard concept to grasp for some people but they live the violence and the music.

watched it. biggest waste of my life. the video is a disgusting display of the worst aspects of human existance: needless violence, unconcious actions, and flat out ignorance. i cant believe people think that shit is cool.

I liked it..haha. Guess that makes me a bad person. The interview give you alot of insite into this scene.

what bands support fsu?

Bands out of Boston and some other areas.
bands like Black My Heart, Shattered Realm, Death Before Dishonor, to name a few.

Simply put, don't fuck with FSU.

[AreTwoKay]

Just reminds of that Good Clean Fun song.

"They say that dancing is a way of life
And all the untough had better think twice
Well I'm not going to take it sitting down anymore
It's time that we took back the dance floor

Let's hear it for the boy who'll say
"Get this macho tough guy shit away"
The scene is just like a small town
And we don't want your kind around

If we sit back and blindly follow the crowd
There will soon be no dancing allowed
And I think we all know there is no excuse
Did we learn nothing from Footloose?

I want to see you dance without the violence"
Gotta love GCF

[1000shadesofred]

FSU needs to find something better to do... im sure their cause is stupid, and the fact that they are disrupting a bands right to free speech ( or free music playing for that matter) is retarded... their just a bunch of kids with small penises

[Salomonbz90]

Simply put, don't fuck with FSU.
man get real. your obviously part of something that noone around here likes. take this shit off AP.net and go elsewhere, we dont wanna be associated with FSU and any other "crews" out there...

[MrukMosh]

man get real. your obviously part of something that noone around here likes. take this shit off AP.net and go elsewhere, we dont wanna be associated with FSU and any other "crews" out there...
The only reason I joined this shit is because all the shit talking I was reading on here. Why don't you go listen to Saves The Day and hug a tree or some shit. I'm not associated with FSU, but I know how shit is and I don't like how everyones bad mouthing shit they don't understand.

[LiquidHeaven]

You guys are all ***goty. In the bundle of sticks kind of way. ***goty ***gots.

[LiquidHeaven]

f a g g o t y f a g g o t s

[nerogtr]

First off, I would like to say that your getting my bias opinion because I love hardcore and every aspect, besides the murdering in the street that that cool.

Hardcore is a violent culture, anyone who goes to shows should know that. I get mad when people go out of their ways to say "oh fuck Crews, there the reason why we can't go to shows an feel safe!" If you want to feel safe at a show, stick to non-hardcore shows, but in general even without crews violence would still surround shows. Hardcore is a community, you go to a show, as long as your not an idiot and act like your the shit your gonna get along with kids. Don't talk shit, thats pretty much what this article is about, the band was talking shit. If someone was talking shit about you, you would most likely confront them about it and if you knew you could stop that from talking shit, wouldn't you?



It's a culture and a lifestyle, these guys from Boston, they don't just go to shows this is their lives. They live hardcore. I know thats a hard concept to grasp for some people but they live the violence and the music.



I liked it..haha. Guess that makes me a bad person. The interview give you alot of insite into this scene.



Bands out of Boston and some other areas.
bands like Black My Heart, Shattered Realm, Death Before Dishonor, to name a few.

Simply put, don't fuck with FSU.

ok, well some people enjoy hardcore music but are above the ignorance of beating another human senseless because "thats what hardcore is". i really find it irrelevant that some people "live for the violence" and what not. i dont care how happy it makes them, because its not healthy for them or anyone that they hurt.

music can, and should, be enjoyed without needless violence. don't take what im saying the wrong way and assume against dancing, beause im not. im refering to gang violence and intentional attacks on others, not accidently punching a kid in the face in the pit and then helping him up.