Anarchy? What is it to you?

[FakeNameStated4]

Hey i was just wanting to ask the people in this forum, to tell me their opinion of what anarchy is to them. So what is ANARCHY??

[The Nephilm]

http://forum.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9745

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by FakeNameStated4
Hey i was just wanting to ask the people in this forum, to tell me their opinion of what anarchy is to them. So what is ANARCHY??
Like communism, anarchy works great on paper, but also like communism, it doesnt work. No government=no control over anything. Fires would burn without a fire department to stop them. Criminals would kill people and continue to walk the streets. There would be no laws. Not gonna work

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Like communism, anarchy works great on paper, but also like communism, it doesnt work. No government=no control over anything. Fires would burn without a fire department to stop them. Criminals would kill people and continue to walk the streets. There would be no laws. Not gonna work

^ is the traditional fear of anarchy that uneducated people tend to have...

however if this thing that wrote that post had a fucking clue about what he was talking about, it would have realized that anarchy is ORGANIZED WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT. It depends on people to help eachoter, i.e organize a fire department to help out but on their own good will. unfortunately due to certain people that are greedy, stubborn, and lazy, it can never happen in an established country at the present time.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
^ is the traditional fear of anarchy that uneducated people tend to have...

however if this thing that wrote that post had a fucking clue about what he was talking about, it would have realized that anarchy is ORGANIZED WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT. It depends on people to help eachoter, i.e organize a fire department to help out but on their own good will. unfortunately due to certain people that are greedy, stubborn, and lazy, it can never happen in an established country at the present time.
yes that is how its SUPPOSED to be, but who is going to do that. Someone will try to slack off, and someone will have to pick up the slack. Then the person who has to pick up the slack will get mad at the slacker and then its all down the toilet

[yeat182]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
^ is the traditional fear of anarchy that uneducated people tend to have...

however if this thing that wrote that post had a fucking clue about what he was talking about, it would have realized that anarchy is ORGANIZED WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT. It depends on people to help eachoter, i.e organize a fire department to help out but on their own good will. unfortunately due to certain people that are greedy, stubborn, and lazy, it can never happen in an established country at the present time.


so do you believe that "all governments rest on violence to control their subjects"?

[evil zach]

Originally posted by FakeNameStated4
Hey i was just wanting to ask the people in this forum, to tell me their opinion of what anarchy is to them. So what is ANARCHY??
Anacrhy is a utpoian society. Unfourtunatly, it isn't possible yet.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
yes that is how its SUPPOSED to be, but who is going to do that. Someone will try to slack off, and someone will have to pick up the slack. Then the person who has to pick up the slack will get mad at the slacker and then its all down the toilet
that wouldn't happen. heres why:Anarchy requires everybody to pull their weight. If it were to go into effect today then, yes it would fail. Anarchy is stage of evoulution. When we reach it we will all pull our weight because we want to and it helps EVERYBODY. If they don't, then they don't eat (this is where anrchy and marxism are very very similar.) "He who can work and dosn't, shall not eat." Its that simple.

[NOFXdesendents5]

anarchy to me is an idea that will never happen. we are to greedy and ignorant.

[evil zach]

Thats why people need to be educated about it. Unfortunatly, It will never be taught in schools from an un-bias perspective, and people who don't want to learn about it, wont bother to.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
anarchy to me is an idea that will never happen. we are to greedy and ignorant. Exactly! There will always be the igornant, the evil, and the agressive. Government needs to deal with that.
Originally posted by EvilZachThats why people need to be educated about it. Unfortunatly, It will never be taught in schools from an un-bias perspective, and people who don't want to learn about it, wont bother to. And exactly who will organize schools and higher education in an anarchy? Who will pay for it?

[AlbanyPunk]

Chomsky and Zimm have some great ideas about an anarchist form of governing (sounds like an oxymoron, I know), but unfortunately Human Nature's darker side would taint and break the system...but its done that to democracy as well, so would it matter.

-=Grim=-

[LeftCoastEnvius]

anarchy to me is driving down the street with my bare naked ass out the window and no one being able to do anything about it.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by LeftCoastEnvius
anarchy to me is driving down the street with my bare naked ass out the window and no one being able to do anything about it.

oh man that would be sweet....

[evil zach]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Exactly! There will always be the igornant, the evil, and the agressive. Government needs to deal with that.
And exactly who will organize schools and higher education in an anarchy? Who will pay for it?
we've done this several times in the anarchy thread. Do I really need to do it agian?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
we've done this several times in the anarchy thread. Do I really need to do it agian?
obviously we do, because you never seem to answer my question. how is school paid for? i know for a fact no body will teach for free. sorry buddy, this idea of yours doesnt hold water.

[evil zach]

I have said sveral times that anarchy IS NOT possible now because your right, people will not work for free. In order for it to work, people would need to work because they want to. Because they enjoy it. Because it is benifital to the human race. That includes teaching. As I have said numorous times before, that is one of the reasons it cannot work NOW. It is the goal of anarchist to work towards a time when it is possible. We know it won't come any time soon. Definetly not in any of our life times, or our childrens, or their children, but someday it will be achieved.
I'm going to bed now.

[Alex Djaferis]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
anarchy to me is an idea that will never happen. we are to greedy and ignorant.

[Flahles]

"The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an (or a), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director", "chief," "person in charge," or "authority." Or, as Peter Kropotkin put it, Anarchy comes from the Greek words meaning "contrary to authority." [Anarchism, p. 284] While the Greek words anarchos and anarchia are often taken to mean "having no government" or "being without a government," as can be seen, the strict, original meaning of anarchism was not simply "no government." "An-archy" means "without a ruler," or more generally, "without authority," and it is in this sense that anarchists have continually used the word." -http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secA1.html

I agree anarchy as people normally think of it is not possible. I have my own ideas that may not belong on this thread about what is possible very close to anarchy.

[jakobslad]

Wow, thanks for the input guys. I'm sorry if it's been rehashed over and over again and it is true that I don't believe it is possible at this point. Anarchy to me is a soul's right to live. Every living creature has just as much right to live as you do. Ignorance about the word is all over the place, these days and passing out Noam Chomsky or Michael Moore books on a street corner is really not what I had in mind. I don't believe in the "primitism" end of the spectrum but that's because I have faith that it can work in a "technological" society. It is about evolution, and the results of a widespread uprisng on the scale I'm thinking of maybe too far ahead in the future at this point. I guess right now, it's important that whenever the conversation arises or you hear the word misused in some way, stop and do your small part to educate the person on the subject. It may sound trite, but that's what I've been doing as of late, along with my heavy background research of all the political canidates who will affect my district in some way. You have to start somewhere though, ya know. I apologize if I've sat here and simply rehashed what was already well known. It's my first day on the site and I'll definitely be back for more. Later.

[justinevans]

Anarchy will not work because we as human's have basic animal instincts and characteristics.. we are always taught to share and help other people and many people still don't do it. Much of the world's history was anarchy...it still may even exist in some places, but for a national scale, it would never work.

[thejetstolehome]

what's w/the bumping of 3 year old threads int his forum....

[make_this_hurt]

"The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an (or a), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director", "chief," "person in charge," or "authority." Or, as Peter Kropotkin put it, Anarchy comes from the Greek words meaning "contrary to authority." [Anarchism, p. 284] While the Greek words anarchos and anarchia are often taken to mean "having no government" or "being without a government," as can be seen, the strict, original meaning of anarchism was not simply "no government." "An-archy" means "without a ruler," or more generally, "without authority," and it is in this sense that anarchists have continually used the word." -http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secA1.html

I agree anarchy as people normally think of it is not possible. I have my own ideas that may not belong on this thread about what is possible very close to anarchy.
Seriously?

You bumbed the thread to post that?

You didn't realize it was 3 years old and no one cared?

REALLY?

[jakobslad]

Chomsky and Zimm have some great ideas about an anarchist form of governing (sounds like an oxymoron, I know), but unfortunately Human Nature's darker side would taint and break the system...but its done that to democracy as well, so would it matter.

-=Grim=-
I agree. But I think that even most people on this site, still just have a loose grasp of what anarchy is really about. Maybe we could start a bookclub for Anarchists...

[Tai]

In my opinion, Anarchy is a dangerous thing in the hands of the stupid and the cruel; it is what hatemongering skinheads scream amongst their litanies against other races (In this I refer to the racist skinhead movement and not the "british working class" movement that I've been told exists) and a clarion call for a good deal of stupid people who think that The Ramones were the last great band ever (While not obsessed, I do enjoy Punk a great deal, though more proto-punk than the big well-known stuff) and that Bush is liek, totally teh dev3l.

If anarchy could work, I would be behind it totally. However, as every society that has approached it has failed, and failed miserably, I must resign it to the "nice ideas" section of the world. Any system which relies fundementally upon the goodness of humanity will fail, in my honest opinion.

The rabble who would spread it would spread it by sword if they had but the courage or the madness, and the peaceful idealists will never have the power to do anything on a large level. And as someone dedicated to the ideas of the Logos, or Logic, I would not want it to. Order will always be the cage of Chaos, and though Change is purely needed in order to fight stagnation, neither is Chaos the end all be all answer to everything.


Just my two cents.

[willycakes]

I remember reading about America's Great Depression (you know how there were many communist parties as back lash of the current state of the econcomy)
I know people like Emma Goldman and others had areas of people are interacting in a communal, voulnteer function.

I think anarchy would only work in small amounts of people...our naton is very diverse and cultivated with many political beliefs, unfortunately, human nature would rather pursue things with benefit. (no matter how hectic the situation often)

[a speedo model]

what the hell?

[Tai]

Hell? No, I'm sorry, Hell is in the other direction. *Points downward*

[rocktometal]

If anarchy could work, I would be behind it totally. However, as every society that has approached it has failed, and failed miserably, I must resign it to the "nice ideas" section of the world. Any system which relies fundementally upon the goodness of humanity will fail, in my honest opinion.
Just my two cents.

best statement here.

the truth is anarchy can never work, because people won't evolve into a better species and here is why:darwin's theory was based on the theory that the weak die, but that is not true for the human race-in our society everyone lives from the semi-retarded to the super ambitious and greedy, therefore the gene pool gets any cleaner. so i am sorry but anarchy can never work because we will not evolve enough to allow it to work.

[OisNOTdead87]

In my opinion it could have worked if we would have started using it as our basic society before the industrial revolution. If you made a country that was an Anarchy someone else would take you over (because in Anarchy the army is based like a militia, all the citizens are expected to take up arms and defend the country). These days wars are mostly bombs and tactical shit so the un-trained civilians would most likely get their dicks knocked in the dirt.

Oh, and in Anarchy there is a political structure, you people have obviously not read any books on the subject (except the dude who mentioned Zinn and Chompsky). Wikipedia Mikhail Bakunin.... or better yet Wikipedia Anarchy.

Also, there are a lot of different forms of Anarchy.

[Tai]

what specific branch of Anarchy would you be insinuating our ignorance over?


and Chompsky is an annoying populist ass, and the man who says different hasn't met him personally or gone to his speeches.

[CyrusE]

Anarchy is a pathetic concept. Our society wouldnt work if anyone would just do how they pleased.

[OisNOTdead87]

what specific branch of Anarchy would you be insinuating our ignorance over?


and Chompsky is an annoying populist ass, and the man who says different hasn't met him personally or gone to his speeches.

It isn't a branch of Anarchy(I couldn't even name them all anyway, there's too many of them, and there's really no need to break anything down that much), it is the original concept or Anarchy. Mikhail Bakunin (to my knowledge) had a hefty part in comming up with the rules to the political system that is labeled Anarchy. I'm by no means an Anarchist, nor do I know everything there is to know about it. I was just saying people should read up on it a bit before they choose to say "Anarchy would never work, it's just chaos", because it has rules and representatives.

Anyone who rags on Anarchy should tell me why a trickle down economy is any better.

[Tai]

Never said I embraced Trickle Down theory either.

[XpunkXroutineX]

"Superbowl patriots cheer half-time propaganda, fake titties, tooting trumpets. “FREEDOM” is in lights and is shitting itself out of Post-Hippy “Call me Sir” Paul McCartney’s multi-millionaire fucking mouth. Machine guns raised. Kegs secure. Beers held high! The (Presidential) Liar is in the house. Bono’s in the house! We’re DOOMED! FUCKING DOOMED! FUCKING DOOMED! FUCKING DOOMED! FUCKING DOOMED! FUCKING DOOMED! FUCKING DOOMED!"

sorry. i just felt like posting those lyrics. i love that song.

oh yeah ,and...

"Our cities seem to function quite the same: sweeping ghettos undeer one big rug makes them easier to contain, so the upper-middle class can sleep (or shop in peace) and convince themselves that "trickle-down" will solve this poverty. Yes, murderers walk our streets and their weapons are their pens, desks, policies and P.R. campaigns (fed by the spoils of war) against the "lazy, shiftless" populations of the poor. This system cannot be reformed...(so how about we try something different?)"

[ethan_9000]

it would be fun but if it means i have to work to live screw it