Why The Fuck Isn't Goose Gossage In The HOF!

[YouMadeTheScene]

Sorry I haven't posted in the sports forum much in the past couple days so I'm pretty behind on posting on some matters. But can anyone tell me why he isn't a HOF member? He was much more dominant then any closer of his time, and his stats for a closer even at that time are remarkable.

The baseball writers are saying it is because he didn't win a MVP or Cy Young but should they be voting on the mistakes that were made at that time? Is it Gossage's fault that he didn't win a Cy Young or the voters of that time.

Gossage 22 Years 124 Wins 107 Losses 310 Saves 1809.3 IP 1502 Strikeouts 3.01 ERA 119 HR
Sutter 12 Years 68 Wins 71 Losses 300 Saves 1042.3 IP 861 Strikeouts 2.83 ERA 77 HRs

While people will point out that Sutter clearly was on the way to more saves, people don't take into consideration that Gossage didn't get nearly as many chances to pitch as Sutter did. Plus Sutter had a much shorter career. Goose was a dominant closer for 11 years and serviceable relief pitcher for 5 years where as Sutter was a solid closer for 9 and thats it. I'm not saying Sutter isn't a Hall of Famer, but so is Goose.

The Balloting is really terrible because it is clear that guys like Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, and Bert Blyleven should be in the hall. If Kirby Puckett is in the HOF how are Rice and Dawson not? If Don Sutton is a HOF how isn't Blyleven? The Baseball Writers are absolutely terrible and complete hypocrites. Just because guys like Rice and Goose weren't the friendliest of guys they don't get in. If you rank a person by MVP then why aren't Dawson and Rice in? They have great stats comprable to many Hall of Famers and they have an MVP so why not?

I say horse shit. The Baseball Writers are the biggest hypocrites in America.

[YouMadeTheScene]

anyone have an opinion?

[preppyak]

The Balloting is really terrible because it is clear that guys like Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, and Bert Blyleven should be in the hall. If Kirby Puckett is in the HOF how are Rice and Dawson not? If Don Sutton is a HOF how isn't Blyleven? The Baseball Writers are absolutely terrible and complete hypocrites. Just because guys like Rice and Goose weren't the friendliest of guys they don't get in. If you rank a person by MVP then why aren't Dawson and Rice in? They have great stats comprable to many Hall of Famers and they have an MVP so why not?

I say horse shit. The Baseball Writers are the biggest hypocrites in America.
I'm not qualified to speak on baseball, but with what I gathered from ESPN and what you posted above, I agree. I know that Dawson should be in the hall, as should Gossage. The problem is that they all go by statistics, which with Baseball being a largely statistical game, I understand, but I don't think going solely by them is fair.

Good news is that it doesn't look like McGwire will get in first ballot...he doesn't seem right to be there with Ripken and Gwynn, two men of character and class from the 80s and 90s.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I'm not qualified to speak on baseball, but with what I gathered from ESPN and what you posted above, I agree. I know that Dawson should be in the hall, as should Gossage. The problem is that they all go by statistics, which with Baseball being a largely statistical game, I understand, but I don't think going solely by them is fair.

Good news is that it doesn't look like McGwire will get in first ballot...he doesn't seem right to be there with Ripken and Gwynn, two men of character and class from the 80s and 90s.

The shitty thing is though, all of those guys I mentioned have Hall of Fame stats. And basball writers back track everything I say. They say it isn't stats its awards and dominanes, then if he was dominant and had the awards at some point he may not have the lifetime stats. It really is a bull shit process.

[preppyak]

It really is a bull shit process.
Yep, and then things like scandals and such can keep people out of the hall (see Pete Rose).

[bigmike]

i don't know. he should have gone in the hall before bruce sutter, and with Bert Blyleven.

[mikeford]

jim rice and andre dawson do not belong in the hall of fame.

its the fucking hall of FAME

not the hall of dudes who were pretty good, you know had a couple GREAT seasons and nothing spectacular after that.

[ThriftWhore]

jim rice and andre dawson do not belong in the hall of fame.

its the fucking hall of FAME

not the hall of dudes who were pretty good, you know had a couple GREAT seasons and nothing spectacular after that.
thank you very much. waiting for someone to say that.

if you let sutter in, you gotta let gossage in also, though. gossage has better numbers than sutter, so there's no reason why not.

[mikeford]

yeah i mean, i understand that but sutter didnt belong in the fuckin hall either

[YouMadeTheScene]

jim rice and andre dawson do not belong in the hall of fame.

its the fucking hall of FAME

not the hall of dudes who were pretty good, you know had a couple GREAT seasons and nothing spectacular after that.

Dawson has very similar numbers to Billy Williams, Tony Perez, Al Kaline, Ernie Banks, and Dave Winfield and they are all in the hall. So he has great stats, an MVP Award, and was a perenial Gold Glove winner. Why shouldn't he be in the hall? He wasn't a big name? The Hall of Fame isn't a popularity contest, it's whoever the best player is.

Jim Rice has numbers similar to many Hall of Famers and numbers that are better then some Hall of Famers. The only reason he isn't in is because he wasn't media friendly.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

If the dick head Sanberg gets in, Gossage deserves it.