UFO/Extraterrestrial life/Thread

[lfdfforever]

Not really political but did not know where to really put it. Post videos, pictures, articles and discuss the possibility of life in the universal besides earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life#Ancient_and_e arly_modern_ideas

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[shit stroll]

has anyone read the book communion: a true story by whitley strieber?

[SpacePunk]

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Gets really good at the 3 min mark.

[Adeniz19]

whatever happened to that video footage that was announced like a year ago claiming that they had an actual alien outside of their window? did they ever release the full video or prove it to be a hoax? i mean, i'm sure it is, but this thread reminded me of it and i never found out what happened with it.

[yoyostring]

i hope aliens come in my lifetime.

[J.C.]

i hope aliens come in my lifetime.

Ideally it'd be cool, but it'd freak me the fuck out.

[yoyostring]

Ideally it'd be cool, but it'd freak me the fuck out.

oh yeah, but i'm saying like they come and their like "hey doodz whats up? anybody got a gatorade?"
you know, nice aliens.

[schmalz]

Blink wrote the song "alien's exist". If blink says its true, it has to be.

[zion the lion]

Its ridiculous to think that there isnt life on other planets...it's almost impossible.

[lfdfforever]

alien disclosure in the U.S. would be cool, but i don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

[AndrewIcex]

I bet aliens can hold their alcohol.

[jawstheme]

whatever happened to that video footage that was announced like a year ago claiming that they had an actual alien outside of their window? did they ever release the full video or prove it to be a hoax? i mean, i'm sure it is, but this thread reminded me of it and i never found out what happened with it.

The guy's name is Jeff Peckman and the footage is supposed to be in his documentary, which is yet to be released. There is a hoax video going around that was mean to duplicate Peckman's, but the real video is yet to be released. The whole thing sounds pretty shady to me.

[deanster321]

has anyone read the book communion: a true story by whitley strieber?
I read parts of the book he wrote as a follow up to that one. Confirmation, I think it's called.

[SpacePunk]

alien disclosure in the U.S. would be cool, but i don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

I think US Disclosure will be sooner than we think.. Russia, Japan and European countries have been putting pressure on them to lead the disclosure the past few years.

Even the Mexican Air Force released amazing footage last year to move this thing along.

And the Vatican came out and said belief in Aliens does not contradict a belief in God.

NASA have been going on and on about the water they found on Mars, and Ed Mitchell (6th man on moon) has been doing the rounds on the media the past year, saying that NASA has been working WITH aliens since the 50s, and they are NOT hostile.

[lfdfforever]

Mexico has released so muchhhh footage over the past few years. here's some amazing footage UFO Conference 2005 - Jamie Maussan (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7310660742580339958 )

[Adeniz19]

The guy's name is Jeff Peckman and the footage is supposed to be in his documentary, which is yet to be released. There is a hoax video going around that was mean to duplicate Peckman's, but the real video is yet to be released. The whole thing sounds pretty shady to me.wtf? haha yea, sounds like viral marketing for his "documentary".

[thehereaway]

The other evening, me & my best friend walked in what i believe is the biggest crop circle in Wiltshire so far this year. It was really very strange and eerie as it was dusk and the sunlight was quickly fading away.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/clatford/Clatford0405093.jpg

This is the crop circle. There is more information from a man who investigated it here http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1561&category=Environment its a very interesting read if you have the time - i'm personally very skeptical about these sort of things but the man who investigated the formation believed it would have been very hard to create by a small group of people due to the weather conditions the night it was formed and the sheer size and position of it (its on a hill, at a very strange angle and running against the tram lines).

But anyways, we were both really on the edge for a number of reasons. 1) it was getting dark and we didn't have a torch and 2) the farmer is apparently very vicious and doesn't want people on his land. After some time running around in the crop circle we decided it was probably best to go home, so we ran out of the field and walked down the right side of that photograph toward the bottom of the field.

As we were walking out i saw this creature charging toward me, i froze. It let out this scream, which i figured was some kind of battle cry as it was running very fast toward me (it was probably shin-knee height, i couldn't see it very well - only its outline, its teeth from where it opened its mouth to scream and that it was running toward me). Being the brave lad that i am, i SCREAMED (repeatedly) like a little girl - jumped behind my friend (who is a girl) and pushed her in front. It was the most hilarious cowardly act ever. Luckily my scream scared away what ever it was (i'm not saying i think it was an alien or anything stupid like that, it was probably a hare or some kind of animal). My friend laughed at me for ages afterward, it really was embarrassing but so funny - i have no idea why i reacted the way i did, i guess it was fight or flight or what ever you call it, it didn't help that i was so on the edge about getting caught but never mind.

[TEAMRAMROD]

hahahaha good story. when i see pictures like that, the only thing i can think is that there is no way a group of people can create something like that and have it be so symmetrical
You'd be surprised.
http://www.circlemakers.org/

[Adeniz19]

hahahaha good story. when i see pictures like that, the only thing i can think is that there is no way a group of people can create something like that and have it be so symmetrical

[thehereaway]

hahahaha good story. when i see pictures like that, the only thing i can think is that there is no way a group of people can create something like that and have it be so symmetrical

Yeah its crazy, apparently it can all be done within a couple hours though.


You'd be surprised.
http://www.circlemakers.org/

Wow that Milk Hill formation is insane, turns out that is in Wiltshire too.

[phil19]

ive always found this stuff interesting. will definately check these vids out at home with a decent computer.

[lfdfforever]

this is the last night in my body

[Duexy]

You'd be surprised.
http://www.circlemakers.org/

hahahaha good story. when i see pictures like that, the only thing i can think is that there is no way a group of people can create something like that and have it be so symmetrical


post order fuckery

[TEAMRAMROD]

Yeah its crazy, apparently it can all be done within a couple hours though.




Wow that Milk Hill formation is insane, turns out that is in Wiltshire too.
Yeah, there's some really impressive pictures on there.
post order fuckery
Indeed.

[Animalhill]

Has anyone read "Alien Interview"? http://alieninterview.org/ Its really fucking interesting. Supposedly the records of an Army Nurse during the Roswell crash that interviewed the "alien". Though I do believe that E.Ts must exist given the infinite size of space, I read this as a work of fiction. Still, very interesting, and as good an explanation for the current state of man as any other I've heard.

[LaDiabla]

post order fuckery

must be some extraterrestrial activity in this thread hmmmmm

[AndrewIcex]

Do aliens poop?

[lfdfforever]

better question; do they masturbate?

[Adeniz19]

they have to masturbate to poop

/science

[lfdfforever]

that made no sense whatsoever

[Adeniz19]

hey, just because you don't understand the biology of aliens isn't my fault

[AndrewIcex]

Even better question; What do you call a fat alien?








An Extra Cholesterol :-d

[TEAMRAMROD]

:appl:

[AndrewIcex]

:thumbup::strong::bow:

[lfdfforever]

hells yeah

[AndrewIcex]

:abduct:

I assume this has already been posted... but who the hell cares?

Who is on fire? Huh? Huh?!?! Andrew is!

[lfdfforever]

god is an alien

[AndrewIcex]

god is an alien

And so is your avatar.

[Adeniz19]

he is the epitome of extra-terrestrial

[Regards]

For any Christians interested in this topic, Chuck Missler has a great series known at "Return Of The Nephilim".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCk4VMTGme4 It's 2 hours long. but I found it on youtube for anyone who's interested.

(Not trying to turn this into another "God" debate. I just find it to be a really interesting topic as well.)

[DannySniper]

I believe.

I'm glad this thread was created.

[lfdfforever]

i'm glad you're glad

[AndrewIcex]

Get glad so you are not sad.

[lfdfforever]

i've been reading this. pretty cool stuff. http://www.freedomdomain.com/Terrapapers/terrapapers.html

[DannySniper]

i've been reading this. pretty cool stuff. http://www.freedomdomain.com/Terrapapers/terrapapers.html

Interesting, reminds me of the many Aboriginal Dreamtime stories where various problems are solved by mysterious 'Children of the Sky'.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/3073467259_8db5855516.jpg?v=0

There is also a famous cave painting I am trying to find where the main focus is on an Aboriginal Corroboree but to the top right you can clearly see a helmeted being picking fruit from the trees.

[jawstheme]

This thread is hella cool

[SonEric84]

http://www.xfilesfanclub.com/userImages/productImages/IW2B_Mousepad_TRXF1004_lg.jpg

[IAmAmazing]

http://www.xfilesfanclub.com/userImages/productImages/IW2B_Mousepad_TRXF1004_lg.jpg
I want a poster like that.

[lfdfforever]

http://disclose.tv/action/videolist/videotoprated/?cid=2

[Charles777]

Great thread.

[jcanning]

the thing is about UFO's is that there is so much bullshit footage or photo's that it puts people off but there is some really good and very real footage/interviews/documentaries about it to show that we aren't in fact alone in space.

[samsara]

:alien::wallbash:

[Charles777]

Does anybody know where I can find ACTUAL footage of anything?

[dtrzcin]

For any Christians interested in this topic, Chuck Missler has a great series known at "Return Of The Nephilim".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCk4VMTGme4 It's 2 hours long. but I found it on youtube for anyone who's interested.

(Not trying to turn this into another "God" debate. I just find it to be a really interesting topic as well.)

That series of videos was really great. Thanks.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Off topic, but has anyone else noticed the extreme christian bias on History Channel? Seems like all they show is Bible Code, Apocalypse, Anti Christ, ect. shows.

[MyNameIsRoss]

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[Regards]

That series of videos was really great. Thanks.
No problem, glad you enjoyed it.

[lfdfforever]

want to see a ufo again

[Dan1234]

can't believe Kucinich hasn't been mentioned on this thread

[Wildness774]

totally believe in these
never seen one before
but they definitley exist

[deanster321]

can't believe Kucinich hasn't been mentioned on this thread
He reminds me of Tingle.

[imirish06]

I think US Disclosure will be sooner than we think.. Russia, Japan and European countries have been putting pressure on them to lead the disclosure the past few years.

Even the Mexican Air Force released amazing footage last year to move this thing along.

And the Vatican came out and said belief in Aliens does not contradict a belief in God.

NASA have been going on and on about the water they found on Mars, and Ed Mitchell (6th man on moon) has been doing the rounds on the media the past year, saying that NASA has been working WITH aliens since the 50s, and they are NOT hostile.

I'm not exactly sure of the verse (I'm thinking exodus) but there are a loooooot of signs pointing to aliens/ufos back in the biblical days.

[imirish06]

Once in awhile you get some really nice footage on the show "UFO Hunters" on History Channel. It's a decent show even though that old guy is fucking out of his mind.

[lfdfforever]

I'm not exactly sure of the verse (I'm thinking exodus) but there are a loooooot of signs pointing to aliens/ufos back in the biblical days.some say Moses was lead by aliens haha

[still]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly-Hopkinsville_encounter

oh and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Tehran_UFO_incident

[samsara]

Does anyone know the name of that guy that talks about greys vs reptilians?

[xhellalujahx]

Does anyone know the name of that guy that talks about greys vs reptilians?

Sounds like David Icke. The only name which rings a bell whenever someone brings up reptilians, anyways.

[samsara]

Sounds like David Icke. The only name which rings a bell whenever someone brings up reptilians, anyways.

I dont think thats it, but thanks!

[TheRealMartian]

Does anyone know the name of that guy that talks about greys vs reptilians?

I have heard Jim Sparks talk about both but not vs. each other. Only person I can think of.

[Charles777]

I have heard Jim Sparks talk about both but not vs. each other. Only person I can think of.
Very appropriate user name. I am going to assume that you're an alien because you don't have a picture.

[Liter-O-Cola]

want to see a ufo again

Again? Let's hear the story!

[samsara]

I have heard Jim Sparks talk about both but not vs. each other. Only person I can think of.

Nope not him. Dang I cant remember that guys name.

[samsara]

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

I like what they have to say on the radio show.

[like yesterday]

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

I like what they have to say on the radio show. the reason i listen to the radio.

[samsara]

the reason i listen to the radio.

Indeed. When I can actually pick up the signal on my radio.

[TheRealMartian]

Very appropriate user name. I am going to assume that you're an alien because you don't have a picture.

You never know... :alien:

(It's actually a reference to a Twilight Zone episode)

[lfdfforever]

alien disclosure coming soon

[AndrewIcex]

I want answers.

[lfdfforever]

look to the sky

[AndrewIcex]

Hahaha I will do that.

[lfdfforever]

As you all know governments all over the world are putting in major efforts recently to release their classified Ufo files to the public. When you see country after country coming forward like this you know something is up..

Are we watching the unravelling of a timed and well collaborated attempt by governments worldwide to slowly ease the public to the reality of the Ufo phenomenon? I think so .... if you look at pace of events of according to the dates below, the timing is just too co-incidental to consider otherwise.

Compared to governments world wide, the United states has not contributed at all to the disclosure effort and its beyond time that they did . Infact its an outright shame that a country that most others look up to has not 'come to the game' on the ufo disclosure topic - especially after President Obama's talks of good intentions on the importance of disclosure earlier this year.

Sadly the US has had to rely on citizens and private organisations to organise initiate Ufo disclosure. The might that is the US military is the roadblock here - the whitehouse knows this but they powerless against this organisation because they have maintained (in secrecy) a stranglehold on Ufo information for over 60 years! (how do you beat that?)

Here's a close look at some of the important events that i consider have been pivotal for the Ufo disclosure campaign so far. (if you can think of any other please respond to this post). As you can see from these dates the pace of progress is speeding up and is ultimately preparing the public worldwide for complete disclosure on the Ufo topic:

9th June 2009 - Uruguay

4th May 2009 - Brazil releases its Ufo files As of May 04th, Brazilian Government has disclosed over 600 new pages of previously classified documents, covering UFO reports and military investigations from 1970 to 1979, including photos and films, for the first time.

9th May 2009 - Sweden - government meant to release files - but not sure if their disclosure attempts were confirmed?

26th March 2009 - United Kingdom - The third instalment of UFO files released by the the Ministry of Defence,

17th Feb 2009 - Canada - government releases New virtual Ufo library

3rd Feb 2009 - United States - President Obama - "All agencies should adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure, in order to renew their commitment to the principles embodied in FOIA, and to usher in a new era of open Government. The presumption of disclosure should be applied to all decisions involving FOIA."

28th January 2009 - Denmark - releases all its Ufo Files

20th October 2008 - United Kingdom - government Ufo files released

14th May 2008 - United Kingdom Ministry of Defence annouces Ufo files to be released

14th March 2008 - Vatican Annouces - its ok to believe in Et's and Ufos

12th November 2007 - United States - National press conference military, government, corporate and intelligence witnesses come forward about Ufos

30th April 2007 - French - government releases Ufo files online

9th February 2007 - Chiliean - AirForce comes forward about Ufos

5th March 2004 - Mexico - Airforce & Secretary of National Defense comes foward on Live TV saying Ufos are real and a threat to airspace

9th May 2001 - United States - Disclosure Project press conference- more that 20 military, government, corporate and intelligence witnesses came forward to urge open and honest congressional hearings in to the subject of UFOs and exotic energy and propulsion technologies

16th July 1999 - French defence the COMETA report, the 90-page report that is the result of an in-depth study of UFOs over a period of about three years, covering many aspects of the subject, especially questions of how the UFO phenomenon affects the national defense of France and that of other nations.


Source: http://www.realufos.net/2009/06/major-s ... osure.html (http://www.realufos.net/2009/06/major-steps-so-far-for-ufo-disclosure.html)

[Regards]

I think US Disclosure will be sooner than we think.. Russia, Japan and European countries have been putting pressure on them to lead the disclosure the past few years.

Even the Mexican Air Force released amazing footage last year to move this thing along.

And the Vatican came out and said belief in Aliens does not contradict a belief in God.

NASA have been going on and on about the water they found on Mars, and Ed Mitchell (6th man on moon) has been doing the rounds on the media the past year, saying that NASA has been working WITH aliens since the 50s, and they are NOT hostile.

I'm not exactly sure of the verse (I'm thinking exodus) but there are a loooooot of signs pointing to aliens/ufos back in the biblical days.
Again, if you dudes are interested in possibly what the Bible says on aliens in biblical times etc etc I would encourage you to check out this series
For any Christians interested in this topic, Chuck Missler has a great series known at "Return Of The Nephilim".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCk4VMTGme4 It's 2 hours long. but I found it on youtube for anyone who's interested.

(Not trying to turn this into another "God" debate. I just find it to be a really interesting topic as well.)

[DannySniper]

As you all know governments all over the world are putting in major efforts recently to release their classified Ufo files to the public. When you see country after country coming forward like this you know something is up..

Are we watching the unravelling of a timed and well collaborated attempt by governments worldwide to slowly ease the public to the reality of the Ufo phenomenon? I think so .... if you look at pace of events of according to the dates below, the timing is just too co-incidental to consider otherwise.

Compared to governments world wide, the United states has not contributed at all to the disclosure effort and its beyond time that they did . Infact its an outright shame that a country that most others look up to has not 'come to the game' on the ufo disclosure topic - especially after President Obama's talks of good intentions on the importance of disclosure earlier this year.

Sadly the US has had to rely on citizens and private organisations to organise initiate Ufo disclosure. The might that is the US military is the roadblock here - the whitehouse knows this but they powerless against this organisation because they have maintained (in secrecy) a stranglehold on Ufo information for over 60 years! (how do you beat that?)

Here's a close look at some of the important events that i consider have been pivotal for the Ufo disclosure campaign so far. (if you can think of any other please respond to this post). As you can see from these dates the pace of progress is speeding up and is ultimately preparing the public worldwide for complete disclosure on the Ufo topic:

9th June 2009 - Uruguay

4th May 2009 - Brazil releases its Ufo files As of May 04th, Brazilian Government has disclosed over 600 new pages of previously classified documents, covering UFO reports and military investigations from 1970 to 1979, including photos and films, for the first time.

9th May 2009 - Sweden - government meant to release files - but not sure if their disclosure attempts were confirmed?

26th March 2009 - United Kingdom - The third instalment of UFO files released by the the Ministry of Defence,

17th Feb 2009 - Canada - government releases New virtual Ufo library

3rd Feb 2009 - United States - President Obama - "All agencies should adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure, in order to renew their commitment to the principles embodied in FOIA, and to usher in a new era of open Government. The presumption of disclosure should be applied to all decisions involving FOIA."

28th January 2009 - Denmark - releases all its Ufo Files

20th October 2008 - United Kingdom - government Ufo files released

14th May 2008 - United Kingdom Ministry of Defence annouces Ufo files to be released

14th March 2008 - Vatican Annouces - its ok to believe in Et's and Ufos

12th November 2007 - United States - National press conference military, government, corporate and intelligence witnesses come forward about Ufos

30th April 2007 - French - government releases Ufo files online

9th February 2007 - Chiliean - AirForce comes forward about Ufos

5th March 2004 - Mexico - Airforce & Secretary of National Defense comes foward on Live TV saying Ufos are real and a threat to airspace

9th May 2001 - United States - Disclosure Project press conference- more that 20 military, government, corporate and intelligence witnesses came forward to urge open and honest congressional hearings in to the subject of UFOs and exotic energy and propulsion technologies

16th July 1999 - French defence the COMETA report, the 90-page report that is the result of an in-depth study of UFOs over a period of about three years, covering many aspects of the subject, especially questions of how the UFO phenomenon affects the national defense of France and that of other nations.


Source: http://www.realufos.net/2009/06/major-s ... osure.html (http://www.realufos.net/2009/06/major-steps-so-far-for-ufo-disclosure.html)

Glad to see I'm not the only one who's been watching this unfold. It's all a matter of time.

[Charles777]

I'm assuming that these files have actual proof of alien existence?

[DannySniper]

4b0fdETmRng

[AndrewIcex]

Good good song. ^

[DannySniper]

You betcha.

[Animalhill]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy hmmmm what do you folks think?

[lfdfforever]

bBhs6iFLeOg 300 alien worlds

[lfdfforever]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy hmmmm what do you folks think? totally not smoke

[Animalhill]

totally not smoke
Sarcasm? I can't tell- I'm in a cubicle and everything here feels like a joke.

[lfdfforever]

Sarcasm? I can't tell- I'm in a cubicle and everything here feels like a joke.not sarcasm

[Animalhill]

not sarcasm
Word. What did you think of that video?
Its hard to tell...

[AndrewIcex]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy hmmmm what do you folks think?
Shit, that is crazy dude.

[QuikTrig]

haha "a writer that wants to work with tyler perry someday"

[lfdfforever]

U86vYJIXBNU intense!

[AndrewIcex]

U86vYJIXBNU intense!
When I have more time, I will definitely watch this, is it good?

[lfdfforever]

When I have more time, I will definitely watch this, is it good?it's good.

[phil19]

U86vYJIXBNU intense!

wow. that is intense!

[TeachBirds2Fly]

No aliens - do you know how long it would take to travel the Universe?

The next nearest galaxy to us is Canis Major Dwarf galaxy and it is close at only 25,000 light years away. That is you would have to travel at the speed of light, 180,000 miles per second for 25,000years . And since nothing in the Universe can go faster than light, and if you did go at the speed you would fuck up time relativity it is all pretty bleak for any chance of aliens 'visiting' us.

[Praetor]

No aliens - do you know how long it would take to travel the Universe?

The next nearest galaxy to us is Canis Major Dwarf galaxy and it is close at only 25,000 light years away. That is you would have to travel at the speed of light, 180,000 miles per second for 25,000years . And since nothing in the Universe can go faster than light, and if you did go at the speed you would fuck up time relativity it is all pretty bleak for any chance of aliens 'visiting' us.
One of the most overlooked facts of this debate. Does other intelligent life exist in the universe? Surely. Will we ever make contact? Probably not.

[lfdfforever]

No aliens - do you know how long it would take to travel the Universe?

The next nearest galaxy to us is Canis Major Dwarf galaxy and it is close at only 25,000 light years away. That is you would have to travel at the speed of light, 180,000 miles per second for 25,000years . And since nothing in the Universe can go faster than light, and if you did go at the speed you would fuck up time relativity it is all pretty bleak for any chance of aliens 'visiting' us.i think our scientific laws are irrelevant to them.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

i think our scientific laws are irrelevant to them.

But many of the laws of the Universe are, well in a word universal. Is not like on different planets or in different galaxies these laws would be different, so I don't see how they wou;ld be irrelavant, yes they might be more advanced butr the laws would still be relavant

[Animalhill]

But many of the laws of the Universe are, well in a word universal. Is not like on different planets or in different galaxies these laws would be different, so I don't see how they wou;ld be irrelavant, yes they might be more advanced butr the laws would still be relavant
How is it "universal" law if its based from the minds of not-too distant descendents of apes in a tiny, insignificant corner of the universe?

[TeachBirds2Fly]

How is it "universal" law if its based from the minds of not-too distant descendents of apes in a tiny, insignificant corner of the universe?

Well light is not going to travel faster, gravity isn't going to be unexplainably stronger, radium is still going to decay, atoms are still going to contain protons and neutrons. Aliens might be a different team but they will still be playing pretty much the same game in the same field with the same rules

[Animalhill]

Well light is not going to travel faster, gravity isn't going to be unexplainably stronger, radium is still going to decay, atoms are still going to contain protons and neutrons. Aliens might be a different team but they will still be playing pretty much the same game in the same field with the same rules
I doubt it will be on the same field... we know nothing dude. We really, really know next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

I doubt it will be on the same field... we know nothing dude. We really, really know next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah tbh I agree, reading areally cool book at the moment Bill Bryson A short History of Nearly Everything absolutley excellent, going through pretty much all science from the big bang to particle physics and it is incrediable how little we know. The bit I am on at the mo, talking about the fact that we have only known the earth had a core for like less time than Ford have been making cars.

[Animalhill]

Yeah tbh I agree, reading areally cool book at the moment Bill Bryson A short History of Nearly Everything absolutley excellent, going through pretty much all science from the big bang to particle physics and it is incrediable how little we know. The bit I am on at the mo, talking about the fact that we have only known the earth had a core for like less time than Ford have been making cars.
hahaha I know dude. That's so crazy- I had no idea.

[AndrewIcex]

U86vYJIXBNU intense!
I feel like Aliens do indeed exist, and that video is intense and it makes me want to meet them or something... what that dude was saying about them looking just like us? If that shit is true, I am really curious to what would happen if they started associating themselves with the general public.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

I want to believe and did for along time and was interest in the subject. But i Just don't think there is actually any evidence, yeah the video above is interesting but if it is such a big subject in the military and government where is the evidence. As anyone who has worked in the government before will tell you - Paperwork! To do anything requires clearance and forms and everything has to be logged and reviewd etc... if aliens did exsist the beurocrats would know about it.

Anyway Britain has officially released all its findings on UFO's from 1978 - 2002, every report the Ministry of Defence invistigated are stored for public record in The National Archives there is like over 100Mb of pdf documents.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/

[AndrewIcex]

Did you look through the files?

[Animalhill]

I want to believe and did for along time and was interest in the subject. But i Just don't think there is actually any evidence, yeah the video above is interesting but if it is such a big subject in the military and government where is the evidence. As anyone who has worked in the government before will tell you - Paperwork! To do anything requires clearance and forms and everything has to be logged and reviewd etc... if aliens did exsist the beurocrats would know about it.

Anyway Britain has officially released all its findings on UFO's from 1978 - 2002, every report the Ministry of Defence invistigated are stored for public record in The National Archives there is like over 100Mb of pdf documents.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/

Yeah but considering it would turn life as we know it on its head, especially everything religious, I don't think "they" (powers that be) would feel any guilt about circumventing protocol.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

Did you look through the files?

No fuck paying £3.50, I did buy one a few years back it was from the 1970's, an officer from the Ministry of Defence was sent out to some town to investigate a UFO, it was all pretty standard just took there names, where they had seen, what they had seen. It was a proper form tho they had to fill in. To be honest it would be interesting to see them all don't know how many pdf word documents 100mb would fill but i think that might be a lot

[TeachBirds2Fly]

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/ - HAHAHA click on 'highlights guide' and then scroll to page 2. I want to see that government doc. check the subjects in chapter selection it has 'our secret army against the aliens' amongst others.

[lfdfforever]

But many of the laws of the Universe are, well in a word universal. Is not like on different planets or in different galaxies these laws would be different, so I don't see how they wou;ld be irrelavant, yes they might be more advanced butr the laws would still be relavantbut if they're from a different universe, like a parallel universe they could have different laws.

[Praetor]

but if they're from a different universe, like a parallel universe they could have different laws.
You've been watching too much Star Trek brah.

[Animalhill]

but if they're from a different universe, like a parallel universe they could have different laws.
I agree. fuck the people who are like, "You watch too much star trek". We have NO fucking clue about how the universe really works.

[Chuck!]

but if they're from a different universe, like a parallel universe they could have different laws.

hahahahaha

I want to believe this as much as any of you, but do you hear yourselves? C'mon

[TeachBirds2Fly]

but if they're from a different universe, like a parallel universe they could have different laws.

What is the point in saying stuff like this, you are not adding anything just basically saying that anything is possible which yes might be true but so might the fact that earth was created in 6 days or that it is all just a dream of somebodies etc... This is what is wrong with the UFO debate no real debate just mad speculation which gives any real argument a bad name. Why not use some facts/argumnets/evidence/realistic situations

[lfdfforever]

What is the point in saying stuff like this, you are not adding anything just basically saying that anything is possible which yes might be true but so might the fact that earth was created in 6 days or that it is all just a dream of somebodies etc... This is what is wrong with the UFO debate no real debate just mad speculation which gives any real argument a bad name. Why not use some facts/argumnets/evidence/realistic situationswhen it comes to something as infinite as the universe. i don't write things off.

[GeeBee]

when it comes to something as infinite as the universe. i don't write things off.

But you should mark them "improbable" and "not worth much consideration".

[lfdfforever]

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[GeeBee]

Could be =/= is
I'm all for accepting an idea, provided decent evidence.
But ultimately, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
And as far as aliens, absence of evidence equals evidence of absence.

[zion the lion]

hahahahaha

I want to believe this as much as any of you, but do you hear yourselves? C'mon

For a second, look at the Hubble deep field images, and then realize exactly where we are in the universe, how big our galaxy is, how populated our solar system is, where we are in our own galaxy, and then please realize the distance between me and you. You have no idea what I'm doing, who I am, or what I'm going through as far as my personal struggles. You probably didnt even realize I existed until now. So think about that and think about the fact that we are on the same planet, in the same hemisphere, country and continent.

This is a tiny planet compared to the others out there, this is a rather small solar system compared to the others out there, you have absolutely no idea whats going on outside of this galaxy at all. I highly doubt you should go on as close minded as you are. I mean, how unbelievably narcissistic do you have to be to think that this is the only universe or that we're the only living things in this universe? We havent even been out past Pluto, which is basically like saying we dont even know a fraction of the first letter in the first Alphabet.

[GeeBee]

For a second, look at the Hubble deep feild images, and then realize exactly where we are in the universe, how big our galaxy is, how populated our solar system is, where we are in our own galaxy, and then please realize the distance between me and you. You have no idea what I'm doing, who I am, or what I'm going through as far as my personal struggles. You probably didnt even realize I existed until now. So think about that and think about the fact that we are on the same planet.

This is a tiny planet compared to the others out there, this is a rather small solar system compared to the others out there, you have absolutely no idea whats going on outside of this galaxy at all. I highly doubt you should go on as close minded as you are. I mean, how unbelievably narcissistic do you have to be to think that this is the only universe or that we're the only living things in this universe? We havent even been out past Pluto, which is basically like saying we dont even know a fraction of the first letter in the first Alphabet.

You're making a huge leap...
vastness of universe does not automatically equal the necessary existence of any other life forms but ours. Especially not ones who visit earth and abduct fishermen.

[zion the lion]

You're making a huge leap...
vastness of universe does not automatically equal the necessary existence of any other life forms but ours. Especially not ones who visit earth and abduct fishermen.

I never said that other life forms come here and abduct people. If I were from another planet and I had the technology to come here, I wouldnt even consider coming to this shit hole. We're a bunch of god damned dribbling idiots. If we know so little about the life forms on our own planet, how can we say anything about the existence of other possible life forms on other planets. The vastness/our ignorance of this universe makes it very likely that there are other livng things out there, and that there may be more than one universe. Again it would be very stupid of anybody to think that we are the only living things in the entire universe when we havent humans havent even been able to get past the asteroid belt.

[AndrewIcex]

How can anyone know if it is true or not... like honestly, we won't know until it effects us directly... saying it is true and not having facts is just as bad as saying it is false and not having facts... and saying they follow the same rules as us is fine... but saying they have the same technology as us is ignorant, if they are less advanced than us then sure they can't get to us, but if they are indeed more advanced than us then sure they could get to us... until I know for a fact that it is all one huge conspiracy that all the countries are taking part in, then I will continue to believe they are real and wait until they bring themselves to effect me personally, I hope one day I know a lot more information on them.

[phil19]

i think the thought that we're alone in the universe pretty much sums us up as a species. consumed by our own self importance

[GeeBee]

I never said that other life forms come here and abduct people. If I were from another planet and I had the technology to come here, I wouldnt even consider coming to this shit hole. We're a bunch of god damned dribbling idiots. If we know so little about the life forms on our own planet, how can we say anything about the existence of other possible life forms on other planets. The vastness/our ignorance of this universe makes it very likely that there are other livng things out there, and that there may be more than one universe. Again it would be very stupid of anybody to think that we are the only living things in the entire universe when we havent humans havent even been able to get past the asteroid belt.

I agree with you, I'm just a big proponent of not believing in/not worrying about other life forms in the universe/other universes until greater evidence presents itself.

[GeeBee]

i think the thought that we're alone in the universe pretty much sums us up as a species. consumed by our own self importance

Until there's evidence to the contrary, I don't see the problem with it.

[phil19]

Until there's evidence to the contrary, I don't see the problem with it.

if you believe some of the things in this thread, the evidence is there.

[zion the lion]

I agree with you, I'm just a big proponent of not believing in/not worrying about other life forms in the universe/other universes until greater evidence presents itself.

Theres no evidence that we actually exist either. I just really think its ridiculous when people write things like other life or the multiverse theories out there just because theyre too stupid to think about the bigger picture. I'm also really tired of people acting like any of this is way too sci-fi to be real and it's just a result of someone watching too much Star Trek. Its annoying.

[TEAMRAMROD]

Theres no evidence that we actually exist either. I just really think its ridiculous when people write things like other life or the multiverse theories out there just because theyre too stupid to think about the bigger picture. I'm also really tired of people acting like any of this is way too sci-fi to be real and it's just a result of someone watching too much Star Trek. Its annoying.
Come again?

[zion the lion]

Come again?

I was reading in a science magazine at one of my "aunts" house that nobody has found any evidence of our existence. I guess it's easy to accept, I mean this could very easily be like a dream world, or like the matrix or something.

[GeeBee]

if you believe some of the things in this thread, the evidence is there.

Legitimacy and credibility lie in the demonstration and verification of claims put forth, not simply in their being put forth.

[phil19]

Legitimacy and credibility lie in the demonstration and verification of claims put forth, not simply in their being put forth.

thats true. hopefully the verification of these claims is not far away

[GeeBee]

Theres no evidence that we actually exist either. I just really think its ridiculous when people write things like other life or the multiverse theories out there just because theyre too stupid to think about the bigger picture. I'm also really tired of people acting like any of this is way too sci-fi to be real and it's just a result of someone watching too much Star Trek. Its annoying.

I was reading in a science magazine at one of my "aunts" house that nobody has found any evidence of our existence. I guess it's easy to accept, I mean this could very easily be like a dream world, or like the matrix or something.

People tend to write off claims that have little basis or rationale. Don't take it so personally. Ultimately, there really ISN'T any more evidence for such "theories" than there is for Star Trek.

Or...that could just be nonsense. The idea that "nobody has found any evidence of our existence" is ridiculous, and is not scientific, it's philosophic. And no...it's not easy to accept.

[GeeBee]

thats true. hopefully the verification of these claims is not far away

And as an open-minded person...as soon as it's peer-reviewed and put forth by credible universities and scholarly publications...I'm in.

[zion the lion]

People tend to write off claims that have little basis or rationale. Don't take it so personally. Ultimately, there really ISN'T any more evidence for such "theories" than there is for Star Trek.

Or...that could just be nonsense. The idea that "nobody has found any evidence of our existence" is ridiculous, and is not scientific, it's philosophic. And no...it's not easy to accept.

I never said it was scientific, I just said it was in a science magazine. I read those a lot, and there are times where they'll have an article or two that is interesting but not too scientific. It is extremely easy for me to accept, but then again not many people are in the same state of mind as mine.

[GeeBee]

I never said it was scientific, I just said it was in a science magazine. I read those a lot, and there are times where they'll have an article or two that is interesting but not too scientific. It is extremely easy for me to accept, but then again not many people are in the same state of mind as mine.

After reading through some of your posts, I can definitely see that you have a very unique state of mind. But, I say roll with it if it works for you.

[zion the lion]

After reading through some of your posts, I can definitely see that you have a very unique state of mind. But, I say roll with it if it works for you.

Wait you mean you read through like all of the crazy posts I've made? or just the ones in this thread? There's a pretty understandable explanation for it.

[lfdfforever]

i was scanned by a ufo

[TeachBirds2Fly]

when it comes to something as infinite as the universe. i don't write things off.

fair enough

[Chuck!]

For a second, look at the Hubble deep field images, and then realize exactly where we are in the universe, how big our galaxy is, how populated our solar system is, where we are in our own galaxy, and then please realize the distance between me and you. You have no idea what I'm doing, who I am, or what I'm going through as far as my personal struggles. You probably didnt even realize I existed until now. So think about that and think about the fact that we are on the same planet, in the same hemisphere, country and continent.

This is a tiny planet compared to the others out there, this is a rather small solar system compared to the others out there, you have absolutely no idea whats going on outside of this galaxy at all. I highly doubt you should go on as close minded as you are. I mean, how unbelievably narcissistic do you have to be to think that this is the only universe or that we're the only living things in this universe? We havent even been out past Pluto, which is basically like saying we dont even know a fraction of the first letter in the first Alphabet.

And how unbelievably stupid do you have to be to have such minimal reading comprehension? I never commented on the possibility of life elsewhere in the vast universe--it's quite likely! I was critiquing these people who say, "well, parallel universes!" "well... physics doesn't apply to aliens!" etc., because it adds nothing to the discussion and is flat-out fucking stupid.

Theres no evidence that we actually exist either.

Thank you for confirming that you are, indeed, a fucking idiot.

[Charles777]

http://media.picfor.me/001F102/Alien-versus-Predator-funny-advertising-fun-funny-alien-aliens-chess-predator-alien-versus-predator-versus-aRTSY-mine_large.jpg

[AndrewIcex]

http://media.picfor.me/001F102/Alien-versus-Predator-funny-advertising-fun-funny-alien-aliens-chess-predator-alien-versus-predator-versus-aRTSY-mine_large.jpg
Haha nice, this means they do play on the same field as us humans.

[zion the lion]

And how unbelievably stupid do you have to be to have such minimal reading comprehension? I never commented on the possibility of life elsewhere in the vast universe--it's quite likely! I was critiquing these people who say, "well, parallel universes!" "well... physics doesn't apply to aliens!" etc., because it adds nothing to the discussion and is flat-out fucking stupid.



Thank you for confirming that you are, indeed, a fucking idiot.

I was trying to say that the vastness of the universe makes it open to endless possibilities. So maybe the laws of physics here are different from the ones in some other corner of the universe. How amazing!

[hellogorgeous]

I want to believe and did for along time and was interest in the subject. But i Just don't think there is actually any evidence, yeah the video above is interesting but if it is such a big subject in the military and government where is the evidence. As anyone who has worked in the government before will tell you - Paperwork! To do anything requires clearance and forms and everything has to be logged and reviewd etc... if aliens did exsist the beurocrats would know about it.

Anyway Britain has officially released all its findings on UFO's from 1978 - 2002, every report the Ministry of Defence invistigated are stored for public record in The National Archives there is like over 100Mb of pdf documents.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/


maybe you should have a chat with someone with any power in the government. when things are on that level they make it very clear to leave no paper trail.

[lfdfforever]

And how unbelievably stupid do you have to be to have such minimal reading comprehension? I never commented on the possibility of life elsewhere in the vast universe--it's quite likely! I was critiquing these people who say, "well, parallel universes!" "well... physics doesn't apply to aliens!" etc., because it adds nothing to the discussion and is flat-out fucking stupid.



Thank you for confirming that you are, indeed, a fucking idiot.no reason to be mean

[TeachBirds2Fly]

maybe you should have a chat with someone with any power in the government. when things are on that level they make it very clear to leave no paper trail.


Haha I love it how people think the government is some all knowing group made up of "them" and they are not like the rest of us.

And to be honest I don;t really know what you are talking about, I don't know how things work in the US but in the UK the government are just MP's that are elected to their constintuancy every 4 years and then some are selected for the cabinet and they make up the government. Then there are the Civil Servants who deal with all the behind the scene admin, and making things happen etc... So who is dealing with aliens? Seriously the fact that you believe in an Alien/government cover-up say's more about your lack of understanding of what a government actually is and what it actually does than anything.

[hellogorgeous]

Haha I love it how people think the government is some all knowing group made up of "them" and they are not like the rest of us.

And to be honest I don;t really know what you are talking about, I don't know how things work in the US but in the UK the government are just MP's that are elected to their constintuancy every 4 years and then some are selected for the cabinet and they make up the government. Then there are the Civil Servants who deal with all the behind the scene admin, and making things happen etc... So who is dealing with aliens? Seriously the fact that you believe in an Alien/government cover-up say's more about your lack of understanding of what a government actually is and what it actually does than anything.



I'm not here to convince or outsmart anyone but I'd believe my dad over some dude on the internet any day.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

I'm not here to convince or outsmart anyone but I'd believe my dad over some dude on the internet any day.


What did your dad say?

[lfdfforever]

I'm not here to convince or outsmart anyone but I'd believe my dad over some dude on the internet any day.is your dad a believer?

[Metal Now]

i think the thought that we're alone in the universe pretty much sums us up as a species. consumed by our own self importance

Haha nice. Anyone in here ever read any Stephen Baxter? Or Eric Von Daniken?

[peder458]

while i have a hard time thinking that aliens visit us here on earth... i find it extremely unlikely that we are alone in the universe. there are billions upon billions of galaxies with billions upon billions of stars in those galaxies with billions of planets floating around all those stars......... whether we get to meet them before we destroy ourselves/they destroy themselves is the questionable part. I definitely think it is important to search for them because learning about the vastness of the universe allows us to put our own meager existence into perspective. i am definitely open to the possibility that aliens are among us given some (really) good evidence.

[lfdfforever]

while i have a hard time thinking that aliens visit us here on earth... i find it extremely unlikely that we are alone in the universe. there are billions upon billions of galaxies with billions upon billions of stars in those galaxies with billions of planets floating around all those stars......... whether we get to meet them before we destroy ourselves/they destroy themselves is the questionable part. I definitely think it is important to search for them because learning about the vastness of the universe allows us to put our own meager existence into perspective. i am definitely open to the possibility that aliens are among us given some (really) good evidence.agreed

[peder458]

sweet thread by the way. i could (probably will) spend hours watching/reading al of the posted info/links. gracias.

[cauterize_this]

According to Star Trek, we'll make contact with the Vulcans in 2063. Let's hope!

[lfdfforever]

exzlvVi5utA

[saysmydoctor]

I'm not here to convince or outsmart anyone but I'd believe my dad over some dude on the internet any day.
What a stupid thing to say.

[splitsecond]

I believe that Sean is an alien.

[saysmydoctor]

I have four arms.

[AndrewIcex]

exzlvVi5utA
I listened to this whole thing.. uhh I don't know if I really believe him.. I mean I know someone who thinks they were "abducted" and they said they saw the spaceship fly away, but I feel like he is pulling a lot of shit out of a hundred different science fiction books, kinda creating his own little War of the Worlds.

[lfdfforever]

I listened to this whole thing.. uhh I don't know if I really believe him.. I mean I know someone who thinks they were "abducted" and they said they saw the spaceship fly away, but I feel like he is pulling a lot of shit out of a hundred different science fiction books, kinda creating his own little War of the Worlds. i've interacted with a ufo before, so i believe him 100%.

Edit: it interacted with me first.

[lfdfforever]

I have four arms. i have eight fingers

[AndrewIcex]

i've interacted with a ufo before, so i believe him 100%.

Edit: it interacted with me first.
Well, that is interesting.. you seem to be very interested in all this stuff, I am too.. but that guy seems a bit far fetched, but hell.. aliens have to be far fetched, or we would not care so much about them.

[samsara]

Bah I've seen a UFO. And every old person that has connections here acts all edgy when I bring up aliens.

There is a town maybe 40 minutes away and I HATE going through there at night. Its so creepy.

[AndrewIcex]

Bah I've seen a UFO. And every old person that has connections here acts all edgy when I bring up aliens.

There is a town maybe 40 minutes away and I HATE going through there at night. Its so creepy.
Story of your experience? Tell us!

[samsara]

Story of your experience? Tell us!

Well they were a row of lights that had appeared then a few disappeared. The ones that were left moved around fast then disappeared to nowhere.

But the town thats creepy is closer to where the actual crash site was and when I have to go through it at nighttime it sucks because there are always scary lights and its just gives off a vibe. And its the only place I've been where theres no cell phone service.

[AndrewIcex]

Well they were a row of lights that had appeared then a few disappeared. The ones that were left moved around fast then disappeared to nowhere.

But the town thats creepy is closer to where the actual crash site was and when I have to go through it at nighttime it sucks because there are always scary lights and its just gives off a vibe. And its the only place I've been where theres no cell phone service.
Oh snap! And I just noticed your location, which makes more sense to why things happen around you haha.

My grandma has told the family like 50 times that she has seen a spaceship (a long long time ago, like 35 years), and she even thinks that she might have been abducted cause she does not remember like 3 hours of time that her and my grandpa (who is no longer alive) were in their car.. she said she basically went from getting in their car to go get milk pretty late at night for my aunt when she was younger.. to basically waking up 3 hours later and was still sitting in the car, with no milk.. they never even left the drive way.. she swears on her life it happened, but everyone in the family kinda just thinks it was a dream but me.. but they don't care what I say to defend her, ha its me and her vs everyone else most of the time.

Kinda crazy.. but aliens are crazy haha.

[open mind]

the odds of life existing elsewhere in the universe are good, but at this point i have trouble believing in life that's much more advanced then what we have on earth.

[lfdfforever]

Well, that is interesting.. you seem to be very interested in all this stuff, I am too.. but that guy seems a bit far fetched, but hell.. aliens have to be far fetched, or we would not care so much about them.i bet humans are super strange to them.

[peder458]

the odds of life existing elsewhere in the universe are good, but at this point i have trouble believing in life that's much more advanced then what we have on earth.

i think assuming there is a species that lived even a million years longer than us (their life began a million years before ours did) and have been able not to destroy themselves; it is pretty possible, if not likely, that they are much more advanced than us. a million years is enough to gain a lot of technological insight while it isn't long at all on a universal/cosmological scale. not to say that all other life would be more advanced than us, i just think it is likely given what we currently know about evolution, the universe, and our own understanding of technology.

[samsara]

Oh snap! And I just noticed your location, which makes more sense to why things happen around you haha.

My grandma has told the family like 50 times that she has seen a spaceship (a long long time ago, like 35 years), and she even thinks that she might have been abducted cause she does not remember like 3 hours of time that her and my grandpa (who is no longer alive) were in their car.. she said she basically went from getting in their car to go get milk pretty late at night for my aunt when she was younger.. to basically waking up 3 hours later and was still sitting in the car, with no milk.. they never even left the drive way.. she swears on her life it happened, but everyone in the family kinda just thinks it was a dream but me.. but they don't care what I say to defend her, ha its me and her vs everyone else most of the time.

Kinda crazy.. but aliens are crazy haha.

Haha shhhhh!

oh wow thats scary. I've heard all kinds of stories about seeing spaceships and its kinda scary.

[Chuck!]

i've interacted with a ufo before, so i believe him 100%.

Edit: it interacted with me first.

mmhmm :rolleyes:

[open mind]

i think assuming there is a species that lived even a million years longer than us (their life began a million years before ours did) and have been able not to destroy themselves; it is pretty possible, if not likely, that they are much more advanced than us. a million years is enough to gain a lot of technological insight while it isn't long at all on a universal/cosmological scale. not to say that all other life would be more advanced than us, i just think it is likely given what we currently know about evolution, the universe, and our own understanding of technology.

being a long lived and successful species isn't enough to guarantee significant development of the brain. the dinosaurs ruled the earth for millions of years but never invented anything.

[peder458]

being a long lived and successful species isn't enough to guarantee significant development of the brain. the dinosaurs ruled the earth for millions of years but never invented anything.

very good point. but that is one species on one planet. i would argue that by shear magnitude of galaxies and stars; assuming they began life a little bit earlier, like i mentioned before, that that species would be more than likely able to evolve some kind of technology more advanced than us. we are in agreement that time does not necessarily lead to higher abilities; but the opportunity is there, and since there are so many different chances i think it is likely that there are lifeforms more advanced than us. that is also not to say that they are here on earth, or that we will ever meet them. and just so we are clear, there is really no way for me to support my claim; it's just my opinion. i have no experience with aliens/ufos to back this up as i suppose most people do not.

[optimusrob]

if aliens were real why would they be appearing in the countryside with like only one person to see and like abducting cows and such and writing weird things in fields?

[bradsonemanband]

if aliens were real why would they be appearing in the countryside with like only one person to see and like abducting cows and such and writing weird things in fields?

because they have higher intelligence
:-d

[optimusrob]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/gallery/images/CropCircles-in-chest-hair.jpg

This shit just got scary

[I am Mick]

My mom recently brought up a story about how she woke up in the middle of the night with, what she says were, tiny "aliens" running around her bed. She tried to wake up my dad but couldn't, and they drilled something into her ankle. She claimed she was screaming but nobody would wake up, and to this day actually walks with a limp. Shortly after she told me this and walked off, my brother brought up how freaked out he was because he had the same exact experience.

Both of them are totally trustworthy in my opinion. They never bring up shit like this, let alone show much an interested in this kinda shit.

[open mind]

very good point. but that is one species on one planet. i would argue that by shear magnitude of galaxies and stars; assuming they began life a little bit earlier, like i mentioned before, that that species would be more than likely able to evolve some kind of technology more advanced than us. we are in agreement that time does not necessarily lead to higher abilities; but the opportunity is there, and since there are so many different chances i think it is likely that there are lifeforms more advanced than us. that is also not to say that they are here on earth, or that we will ever meet them. and just so we are clear, there is really no way for me to support my claim; it's just my opinion. i have no experience with aliens/ufos to back this up as i suppose most people do not.

there are near countless conditions needed for a planet to be able to sustain life, once those conditions are met life has to develop along lines similiar to ours, then that life has to advance far enough to be able to survive a global catastrophe and sustain itself afterwards before one happens...it's possible, but i wouldn't bet on it.

[bung]

My mom recently brought up a story about how she woke up in the middle of the night with, what she says were, tiny "aliens" running around her bed. She tried to wake up my dad but couldn't, and they drilled something into her ankle. She claimed she was screaming but nobody would wake up, and to this day actually walks with a limp. Shortly after she told me this and walked off, my brother brought up how freaked out he was because he had the same exact experience.

Both of them are totally trustworthy in my opinion. They never bring up shit like this, let alone show much an interested in this kinda shit.

Sleep paralysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis).

[I am Mick]

Sleep paralysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis).

I'm not so sure. I've had sleep paralysis before (or at least in the least extreme way) where I woke up in the middle of the night and just couldn't move. These two told me the same exact story

[peder458]

there are near countless conditions needed for a planet to be able to sustain life, once those conditions are met life has to develop along lines similiar to ours, then that life has to advance far enough to be able to survive a global catastrophe and sustain itself afterwards before one happens...it's possible, but i wouldn't bet on it.

-this is assuming all life is like our own which it may not necessarily be
-this seems like too detailed an argument. it still has to do with advanced cognition
-we did it? it is 100% possible. that is not the argument. you say you wouldn't bet on it, if i thought we could prove it somehow i definitely WOULD bet on it.

[bung]

I'm not so sure. I've had sleep paralysis before (or at least in the least extreme way) where I woke up in the middle of the night and just couldn't move. These two told me the same exact story

Must be aliens then.

[open mind]

-this is assuming all life is like our own which it may not necessarily be
-this seems like too detailed an argument. it still has to do with advanced cognition
-we did it? it is 100% possible. that is not the argument. you say you wouldn't bet on it, if i thought we could prove it somehow i definitely WOULD bet on it.

no, that's not what i'm assuming.

the number of tool using/creating species throughout earths history indicates to me that species with large brains capable of complex thought aren't very common...we're the only one that this planet has produced in billions of years after all.

what do you mean we did it? the human race and the civilizations it's built has not survived a global catastrophe, we rose from one of a few that have occured during the planets life.

[peder458]

no, that's not what i'm assuming.

the number of tool using/creating species throughout earths history indicates to me that species with large brains capable of complex thought aren't very common...we're the only one that this planet has produced in billions of years after all.

what do you mean we did it? the human race and the civilizations it's built has not survived a global catastrophe, we rose from one of a few that have occured during the planets life.

sorry didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
-what exactly are you referring to?

[peder458]

My mom recently brought up a story about how she woke up in the middle of the night with, what she says were, tiny "aliens" running around her bed. She tried to wake up my dad but couldn't, and they drilled something into her ankle. She claimed she was screaming but nobody would wake up, and to this day actually walks with a limp. Shortly after she told me this and walked off, my brother brought up how freaked out he was because he had the same exact experience.

Both of them are totally trustworthy in my opinion. They never bring up shit like this, let alone show much an interested in this kinda shit.

why don't you tell her to get an x-ray of her foot/ankle to prove something is there??

[AndrewIcex]

i bet humans are super strange to them.
I bet we are.. that is why they visit and try and figure us out.

Haha shhhhh!

oh wow thats scary. I've heard all kinds of stories about seeing spaceships and its kinda scary.
Yeah, it definitely would be scary.. I don't want to be abducted, hell no!

[deanster321]

This is a hell of a fascinating subject, that's for sure.

[open mind]

sorry didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
-what exactly are you referring to?

no problem.

the number of mass extinctions the planet has seen and the events that caused them.

[perceptrons]

My mom recently brought up a story about how she woke up in the middle of the night with, what she says were, tiny "aliens" running around her bed. She tried to wake up my dad but couldn't, and they drilled something into her ankle. She claimed she was screaming but nobody would wake up, and to this day actually walks with a limp. Shortly after she told me this and walked off, my brother brought up how freaked out he was because he had the same exact experience.

Both of them are totally trustworthy in my opinion. They never bring up shit like this, let alone show much an interested in this kinda shit.
You didn't think it was odd that your brother was totally freaked out and then it happened? Just because someone's brain tells them that something is happening, doesn't mean that it is.

[I am Mick]

You didn't think it was odd that your brother was totally freaked out and then it happened? Just because someone's brain tells them that something is happening, doesn't mean that it is.

He was freaked out because he said he already experienced that?

[perceptrons]

He was freaked out because he said he already experienced that?
Perhaps I read your story wrong, your mother had it after your brother did?

[I am Mick]

Perhaps I read your story wrong, your mother had it after your brother did?

Mom told the story a year or so after it happened, my brother was freaked because he too experienced something like that in the past.

[Klatzke]

Just entering the thread, but I think that whatever it is you believe (religion wise, etc), the possibility of extra-terrestrial life is almost a complete definite. I'd say that's what most people on these boards think as well from peoples' opinions on most things.

[Theseventhson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_pass_accident

[x togepi x]

being a long lived and successful species isn't enough to guarantee significant development of the brain. the dinosaurs ruled the earth for millions of years but never invented anything.

so i used to be friends with a dude who'd buy into a lot of ldforever's bullshit who seriously thought at one point that dinosaurs built the pyramids as interstellar teleportation devices and the reason we don't know what happened to the dinosaurs is because they teleported into the center of the moon where they currently live.

no i'm not making this up. dude was crazy.

[Nevuk]

The odds are that there probably is intelligent life out there, but on maybe 10 or 11 other planets max. No way we'd ever run into them. With that said, I once was convinced I was an alien visitor the planet because I was high on salvia. Fun times.

[livethesounds]

there are near countless conditions needed for a planet to be able to sustain life, once those conditions are met life has to develop along lines similiar to ours, then that life has to advance far enough to be able to survive a global catastrophe and sustain itself afterwards before one happens...it's possible, but i wouldn't bet on it.

I don't agree with this. There are billions of stars, all with their own system of planets. to say out of trillions of planets we're the only one that can sustain intelligent life or even life in general is in my mind silly. I think it's likely that for the most part life evolves and grows like it does here, but it's not out of the realm of impossibility, and it's actually somewhat likely that there is life on planets that are not mirrors of earth. We have plants and animals here on earth that goes against what most scientists thought was necessary for life to grow and flourish.
I think it's become scientifically accepted that the notion that there are life on other planets, i'ts not really a matter of if, it's a matter of what/where.

And unless you don't buy into evolution i'm not sure what you're talking about when you mention the catastrophes. Evolution kept animals alive during these, so to assume that other worlds would not be able to evolve along the lines we did...idk. Edit: i see what you're saying about this. But it's hard to fathom life not having time to evolve, even with catastrophes (which usually don't effect 100% of the planet, albeit most of it) I agree that it's possbile that some prospective civilizations could be wiped out because of this, but i think an equal number could survive.

After all this i agree out of the billions of stars there might only be a couple thousand or a few hundred planets that actually have flourishing life like we do here or in some form. Life is rare, but to think out of an unimaginable amount of space out there that we're the only one's or even "probably" the only ones is...just tough for me to believe.

[peder458]

The odds are that there probably is intelligent life out there, but on maybe 10 or 11 other planets max. No way we'd ever run into them. With that said, I once was convinced I was an alien visitor the planet because I was high on salvia. Fun times.

where did you get your estimate?? 10 or 11 sounds pretty specific... and i think that if you believe there is other forms of intelligent life (whether as advanced as us, or not) i think it is much more common than we think; just extremely far away.

[Nevuk]

where did you get your estimate?? 10 or 11 sounds pretty specific... and i think that if you believe there is other forms of intelligent life (whether as advanced as us, or not) i think it is much more common than we think; just extremely far away.
Drake's Equation, it's an equation that roughly gives out the average number of planets in the galaxy that have intelligent life on them. Some of the numbers are very debatable though.

[peder458]

Drake's Equation, it's an equation that roughly gives out the average number of planets in the galaxy that have intelligent life on them. Some of the numbers are very debatable though.


agreed. any estimates i have seen, even very conservative ones, have given much much higher numbers. did you do this yourself, or did you find the equation estimated somewhere? just wondering.

[Nevuk]

agreed. any estimates i have seen, even very conservative ones, have given much much higher numbers. did you do this yourself, or did you find the equation estimated somewhere? just wondering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%27s_equation

I have done the math myself before though.

[livethesounds]

right, but doesn't the Drake Equation only try and estimate how many worlds with life there are in the Milky Way Galaxy?

That's not to mention the thousands and possibly more other galaxies beyond ours.

the universe is a big place.

[Nevuk]

right, but doesn't the Drake Equation only try and estimate how many worlds with life there are in the Milky Way Galaxy?

That's not to mention the thousands and possibly more other galaxies beyond ours.

the universe is a big place.
Oh, I'm not denying that there is definitely life out there, it's almost a statistical certainty, but it is extremely unlikely that any of it would be close enough to contact us.

[Animalhill]

right, but doesn't the Drake Equation only try and estimate how many worlds with life there are in the Milky Way Galaxy?

That's not to mention the thousands and possibly more other galaxies beyond ours.

the universe is a big place.
Think of it this way: for every grain of sand on planet Earth, there are roughly 1000 stars.

[livethesounds]

Think of it this way: for every grain of sand on planet Earth, there are roughly 1000 stars.

it could be more haha. we still don't even have the slightest idea of how big the universe is.

[livethesounds]

Oh, I'm not denying that there is definitely life out there, it's almost a statistical certainty, but it is extremely unlikely that any of it would be close enough to contact us.

agreed, but at the same time the Milky Way galaxy is over 300 million years old. if intelligent life began to evolve a million years before us in a neighboring system i think it's probably pretty likely that they could have found us.

[joeag1985]

Blink wrote the song "alien's exist". If blink says its true, it has to be.

Thomas Delonge is a firm believer in other life forms. Pretty well known at this point. I remember watching the second Urethra Chronicles dvd, he was showing off his collection of such material. Quite a smart guy is Tom.

[joeag1985]

U86vYJIXBNU intense!

I want to believe.. but sorry, this guy can't be for real. First of all he's still got a pony tail at seventy odd years of age. I mean, way to live up to the old crack pot UFO believer cliche. I'd like to know how much 'clearance' he had in NATO though... I'm thoroughly skeptical on this guys claims.

[x togepi x]

agreed, but at the same time the Milky Way galaxy is over 300 million years old. if intelligent life began to evolve a million years before us in a neighboring system i think it's probably pretty likely that they could have found us.

how is it likely? even if intelligent life formed, who's to say they figured out a way to traverse the insanely long distances it would take to get here? i'd say the odds of that are quite small.

[joeag1985]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy hmmmm what do you folks think?

Could be a kite?

[BryterJonah]

1) She believes God gives people signs

2) She likes Tyler Perry movies.

Myth Busted.

[lfdfforever]

I want to believe.. but sorry, this guy can't be for real. First of all he's still got a pony tail at seventy odd years of age. I mean, way to live up to the old crack pot UFO believer cliche. I'd like to know how much 'clearance' he had in NATO though... I'm thoroughly skeptical on this guys claims.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_(Ufologist)

[lfdfforever]

The Air Force's Project Blue Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book) files indicate that approximately 1 %[58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufos#cite_note-57) of all unknown reports came from amateur and professional astronomers or other users of telescopes (such as missile trackers or surveyors). In 1952, astronomer J. Allen Hynek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek), then a consultant to Blue Book, conducted a small survey of 45 fellow professional astronomers. Five reported UFO sightings (about 11%). In the 1970s, astrophysicist Peter A. Sturrock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._Sturrock) conducted two large surveys of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Institute_of_Aeronautics_a nd_Astronautics) and American Astronomical Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Astronomical_Society). About 5 % of the members polled indicated that they had had UFO sightings.
Astronomer Clyde Tombaugh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Tombaugh), who admitted to six UFO sightings, including three green fireballs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_fireballs), supported the Extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) for UFOs and stated he thought scientists who dismissed it without study were being "unscientific." Another astronomer was Dr. Lincoln LaPaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_LaPaz), who had headed the Air Force's investigation into the green fireballs and other UFO phenomena in New Mexico. LaPaz reported two personal sightings, one of a green fireball, the other of an anomalous disc-like object. (Both Tombaugh and LaPaz were part of Hynek's 1952 survey.) Hynek himself took two photos through the window of a commercial airliner of a disc-like object that seemed to pace his aircraft. [59] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufos#cite_note-58) Even later UFO debunker Dr. Donald Menzel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Menzel) filed a UFO report in 1949 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Menzel#Menzel.27s_1949_UFO_S ighting).
In 1980, a survey of 1800 members of various amateur astronomer associations by Gert Helb and Hynek for the Center for UFO Studies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_UFO_Studies) (CUFOS) found that 24 % responded "yes" to the question "Have you ever observed an object which resisted your most exhaustive efforts at identification?"[60] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufos#cite_note-59)

[x togepi x]

man if you're going to believe in this aliens totally came here bullshit, then you should also believe in something cool like reptillians.

[llwilliamsll]

man if you're going to believe in this aliens totally came here bullshit, then you should also believe in something cool like reptillians.
Like the whole reptilian shape shifters and such right?

[x togepi x]

Like the whole reptilian shape shifters and such right?

yeah, they control our government man. david icke knows all about that shit.

[llwilliamsll]

yeah, they control our government man. david icke knows all about that shit.
Just started getting into the whole Illuminati and reptilian stuff. All sounds interesting.

[x togepi x]

Just started getting into the whole Illuminati and reptilian stuff. All sounds interesting.

have you ever seen they live?

[livethesounds]

how is it likely? even if intelligent life formed, who's to say they figured out a way to traverse the insanely long distances it would take to get here? i'd say the odds of that are quite small.

i'm talking about a race that's evolved along the same lines as we have but had an extra million years to grow / study / advance their technology. Are you assuming we're the only race that can figure out how to go to space and wanted to explore what else is out there? In one million years how far advanced do you think we'll be (if we're still around)?
And yes, the odds are small in general, but since i was posing a hypothetical situation, i think the odds would change.

[x togepi x]

i'm talking about a race that's evolved along the same lines as we have but had an extra million years to grow / study / advance their technology. Are you assuming we're the only race that can figure out how to go to space and wanted to explore what else is out there? In one million years how far advanced do you think we'll be (if we're still around)?
And yes, the odds are small in general, but since i was posing a hypothetical situation, i think the odds would change.

i'm not assuming anything other than the fact that it's probably nearly impossible to traverse massive amount of distance between us and another planet capable of supporting life.

You guys are assuming way more than that:

1. You're assuming some species exists that evolved to that form of intelligence.
2. You're assuming that any of the massive disasters that have happened on our planet (like the death of the dinosaurs) didn't happen to that alien civilization.
3. You're assuming that this alien civilization figured out a way to travel faster than the speed of light (or had insanely long lifespans) which our science seems to say is impossible.
4. You're assuming that this alien civilization had a way to create the massive amount of energy to travel said distance
5. You're assuming that, in this long, long trip, something terrible didn't happen to the ship in travel (which is insanely probable considering how far they had to travel).
6. Even if 3-5 are true, you're assuming that said alien civilization would even want to come this far anyway.
7. Even if six is false, you're assuming that the aliens care enough to travel here in some sort of stealthy way instead of just showing up in obviously giant space ships guns blazing independence day style.


so yeah, i think saying this hasn't happen is insanely probable. possible? maybe, but highly improbable.

[joeag1985]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_(Ufologist)

Apparently, Wikipedia hasn't got an article relating to this man. Although, Wikipedia isn't exactly a bastion of legitimate information in the first place.

[joeag1985]

1) She believes God gives people signs

2) She likes Tyler Perry movies.

Myth Busted.

Yup. That's what I was thinking. Also, she looked way too enthusiastic while she was telling her story. Didn't exactly convince me of her non craziness.

[lfdfforever]

Apparently, Wikipedia hasn't got an article relating to this man. Although, Wikipedia isn't exactly a bastion of legitimate information in the first place. what? lol

edit: wow, that's really weird. they had one yesterday. i smell a conspiracy!!!!!!!!! lulz

[joeag1985]

what? lol

Nothing came up... It just said would you like to start an article about... Gah, can't think of the guys name now.

[lfdfforever]

Robert Orel Dean (born 1929), also known as Bob Dean, is a retired Command Sergeant Major in the US Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Army),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-nyt1-0) who became notable in UFOlogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFOlogy) circles after he claimed to have viewed "Cosmic Top Secret" documents detailing alien activity on Earth. He now lectures in ufology around the world and has been described as 'an elder statesman of the UFO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO) community'[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-jerry-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-beyond-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-arizona-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-monroe1-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-denzler1-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-kick1-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-weber1-7)
Dean has appeared many times on radio, TV documentaries and at conferences discussing the subject of UFOs and Extraterrestrial life. [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-coast-8)
Dean is also notable for having successfully sued his employer under anti-discrimination laws on the ground that they were treating him unfairly because of his belief in UFOs. [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-dean1-9)


Education

Dean majored in ancient history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history), psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology), and philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy) at Indiana University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_University), completed extensive studies in archeology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archeology) and theology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology) and holds the equivalent of a masters level degree in Emergency Management

Army Service

Dean served in the army for 27 years [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-nyt1-0). He fought as a Second Lieutenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Lieutenant) in the US Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Army) during the Korean War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War). In 1963, Dean was assigned to SHAPE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAPE) (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe) which at that time was just outside Paris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris) (it later would be relocated to Mons, Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mons,_Belgium)).

Alleged NATO document on UFOs − “An Assessment”

In 1964, a USAF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAF) colonel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel), Col. Frank Collins, gave Dean, a Command Master Sergeant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Sergeant), access to a copy of a document called An Assessment. Dean stated that there were only 15 copies, one of which was kept in the safe. He said to read it every chance he had, being able to access the document because he had Cosmic Top Secret Clearance,[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-tucsonweekly-10) As would be expected in the case of such a high-security classified document, Dean has been unable to provide a copy to prove his recount.
Dean states the document An Assessment: An Evaluation of a Possible Threat to Allied Forces in Europe (published in 1964) was a one and a half inch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch)-thick secret NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO) report on UFOs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO). The document was accompanied by eight and a half inches of Annexes and Appendices.
The report was ordered to be compiled by British Air Marshall Sir Thomas Geoffrey Pike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Pike), Deputy SACEUR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SACEUR) (Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe) from August 1963 until his retirement in 1967. It was prompted by a Red Alert event that allegedly happened on 2 February (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2) 1961 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961) at 0200 hrs. A formation of approximately 50 flying disc-shaped objects flew at very high altitudes and speeds under intelligent control. They came from the east, flew over Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany), France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) and continued north until they disappeared over the Norwegian sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_sea).
The titles of some of the annexes of the report, Dean states, were as follows: Radar and Electromagnetic Effects, Optical and Light Analysis, Photographic and Holographic Analysis, Historical Research and Historical Evidence, Metallurgical and Technical Analysis, Atmospheric Physics and Meteorology, Biological Analysis and Autopsies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_autopsy), Sociological Problems, Psychological Problems, Theological Implications, and Worldwide Effects.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
"The Assessment" concluded, in 1964, that there were four different extraterrestial civilizations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestial_life) visiting Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-nexus-11), but by Dean’s retirement from the military in 1976, he claims, the report stated that there were at least twelve different extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth.

Career after retirement from the military

After retiring from the military in 1976, Dean worked for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency ) until his retirement in 1996. Dean became the former Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona) Assistant Director and Pima County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pima_County) Director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFON)) and is a former member for Center for UFO studies (CUFOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUFOS)) and the Ancient Astronauts Society. He also served twelve years as a member of the board of Directors for the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization (APRO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APRO)).

Views

Dean is of the belief that the United States government is actively suppressing information about its interaction with alien civilizations, including its possession of alien technology and lifeforms, though disinformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation) campaigns and secrecy. He has lobbied the US Congress to relax secrecy oath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath) laws of top security and military officials, so that more will be able to comment on UFO-related matters with impunity.
Dean has made numerous television and radio appearances on programs specializing in UFOs and paranormal phenomena in general. On these, he is almost always a sympathetic supporter of the claims of other men and women who come forward with alien related stories or experiences of their own. He also often speaks highly sympathetically of the allegedly exploited aliens themselves, who he claims are being badly mistreated in an inappropriate and disrespectful manner by overly-secretive government officials.

[joeag1985]

Robert Orel Dean (born 1929), also known as Bob Dean, is a retired Command Sergeant Major in the US Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Army),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-nyt1-0) who became notable in UFOlogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFOlogy) circles after he claimed to have viewed "Cosmic Top Secret" documents detailing alien activity on Earth. He now lectures in ufology around the world and has been described as 'an elder statesman of the UFO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO) community'[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-jerry-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-beyond-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-arizona-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-monroe1-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-denzler1-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-kick1-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-weber1-7)
Dean has appeared many times on radio, TV documentaries and at conferences discussing the subject of UFOs and Extraterrestrial life. [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-coast-8)
Dean is also notable for having successfully sued his employer under anti-discrimination laws on the ground that they were treating him unfairly because of his belief in UFOs. [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-dean1-9)


Education

Dean majored in ancient history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history), psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology), and philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy) at Indiana University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_University), completed extensive studies in archeology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archeology) and theology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology) and holds the equivalent of a masters level degree in Emergency Management

Army Service

Dean served in the army for 27 years [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-nyt1-0). He fought as a Second Lieutenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Lieutenant) in the US Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Army) during the Korean War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War). In 1963, Dean was assigned to SHAPE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAPE) (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe) which at that time was just outside Paris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris) (it later would be relocated to Mons, Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mons,_Belgium)).

Alleged NATO document on UFOs − “An Assessment”

In 1964, a USAF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAF) colonel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel), Col. Frank Collins, gave Dean, a Command Master Sergeant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Sergeant), access to a copy of a document called An Assessment. Dean stated that there were only 15 copies, one of which was kept in the safe. He said to read it every chance he had, being able to access the document because he had Cosmic Top Secret Clearance,[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-tucsonweekly-10) As would be expected in the case of such a high-security classified document, Dean has been unable to provide a copy to prove his recount.
Dean states the document An Assessment: An Evaluation of a Possible Threat to Allied Forces in Europe (published in 1964) was a one and a half inch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch)-thick secret NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO) report on UFOs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO). The document was accompanied by eight and a half inches of Annexes and Appendices.
The report was ordered to be compiled by British Air Marshall Sir Thomas Geoffrey Pike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Pike), Deputy SACEUR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SACEUR) (Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe) from August 1963 until his retirement in 1967. It was prompted by a Red Alert event that allegedly happened on 2 February (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2) 1961 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961) at 0200 hrs. A formation of approximately 50 flying disc-shaped objects flew at very high altitudes and speeds under intelligent control. They came from the east, flew over Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany), France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) and continued north until they disappeared over the Norwegian sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_sea).
The titles of some of the annexes of the report, Dean states, were as follows: Radar and Electromagnetic Effects, Optical and Light Analysis, Photographic and Holographic Analysis, Historical Research and Historical Evidence, Metallurgical and Technical Analysis, Atmospheric Physics and Meteorology, Biological Analysis and Autopsies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_autopsy), Sociological Problems, Psychological Problems, Theological Implications, and Worldwide Effects.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
"The Assessment" concluded, in 1964, that there were four different extraterrestial civilizations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestial_life) visiting Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dean_%28Ufologist%29#cite_no te-nexus-11), but by Dean’s retirement from the military in 1976, he claims, the report stated that there were at least twelve different extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth.

Career after retirement from the military

After retiring from the military in 1976, Dean worked for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency ) until his retirement in 1996. Dean became the former Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona) Assistant Director and Pima County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pima_County) Director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFON)) and is a former member for Center for UFO studies (CUFOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUFOS)) and the Ancient Astronauts Society. He also served twelve years as a member of the board of Directors for the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization (APRO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APRO)).

Views

Dean is of the belief that the United States government is actively suppressing information about its interaction with alien civilizations, including its possession of alien technology and lifeforms, though disinformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation) campaigns and secrecy. He has lobbied the US Congress to relax secrecy oath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath) laws of top security and military officials, so that more will be able to comment on UFO-related matters with impunity.
Dean has made numerous television and radio appearances on programs specializing in UFOs and paranormal phenomena in general. On these, he is almost always a sympathetic supporter of the claims of other men and women who come forward with alien related stories or experiences of their own. He also often speaks highly sympathetically of the allegedly exploited aliens themselves, who he claims are being badly mistreated in an inappropriate and disrespectful manner by overly-secretive government officials.

Well I'll be a son of a gun.

[lfdfforever]

point your gun in another direction
now that you've cried yourself to sleep

[joeag1985]

point your gun in another direction
now that you've cried yourself to sleep

Ha not quite. The man's got quite an impressive curriculum vitae (or resume as they say over on your side of the pond). I still say he's not working with a full deck. Don't get me wrong, I want to believe what he's saying. Just can't buy it. Some solid proof would be nice. Fat chance of that though ha.

[lfdfforever]

there's never enough proof

[peder458]

point your gun in another direction
now that you've cried yourself to sleep

i like how you fit that in there! haha :)

[TEAMRAMROD]

i like how you fit that in there! haha :)
That's what she said.

[GeeBee]

there's never enough proof

Yeah, there is. I'm not even asking for "enough"...just SOME.

[peder458]

That's what she said.

oh no you didn't! you guys are just way to clever for me!!!

[livethesounds]

i'm not assuming anything other than the fact that it's probably nearly impossible to traverse massive amount of distance between us and another planet capable of supporting life.

You guys are assuming way more than that:

1. You're assuming some species exists that evolved to that form of intelligence.
2. You're assuming that any of the massive disasters that have happened on our planet (like the death of the dinosaurs) didn't happen to that alien civilization.
3. You're assuming that this alien civilization figured out a way to travel faster than the speed of light (or had insanely long lifespans) which our science seems to say is impossible.
4. You're assuming that this alien civilization had a way to create the massive amount of energy to travel said distance
5. You're assuming that, in this long, long trip, something terrible didn't happen to the ship in travel (which is insanely probable considering how far they had to travel).
6. Even if 3-5 are true, you're assuming that said alien civilization would even want to come this far anyway.
7. Even if six is false, you're assuming that the aliens care enough to travel here in some sort of stealthy way instead of just showing up in obviously giant space ships guns blazing independence day style.


so yeah, i think saying this hasn't happen is insanely probable. possible? maybe, but highly improbable.

1. all they'd have to do is evolve to our form of intelligence. an extra million years of research goes a LONG way. Even a couple thousand.
2. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think dinosaurs and man can be categorized in the same "intelligent life" category. If a meteor hit the earth today a lot of us would die, but do you think it would make the human species extinct? If so then you really underestimate human ingenuity.
3. this is one assumption i'm making yes. our technology has come a long way in 100 years, throw on a few thousand years and i think you'll be really surprised on where we are. And different species always have different life expectancies, if a species from another system is not human, why should they have the same life expectancy as us?
4. Again, with the extra thousands of years of research.
5. I'm not saying it would never happen, but i'd assume more than one ship/whatever would be sent out. i think it's not a stretch to assume that. Science can at least explain, or theorize about the travel. Worm holes would be the fastest way to travel a great distance. Now we don't know where one would go, or if there is such a thing that could take you from system to system, but theoretically it's at least a possibility.
6. This is kind of silly. if alien civilizations would even care to go to space then why not travel as far as possible? I'm pretty sure once we get to the point where we can travel far distances in space we're not just going to quit when we get to a certain point.
7. Who says they've been stealthy? people see things on a daily basis. I don't think it's a large assumtion to say their techonology would be far surpased ours, so why wouldn't a civilaztion care to design cloaking devices and other things to make their crafts less ominous? aren't we already doing that today?
And i'm not sure i can take this argument seriously anymore if you're going to compare this to ID4. Unless they were coming hear to destory us, i'd take the assumtion they just wanted to study us. which would be most of the reason for a lot of the cloaking devices. If we happen upon an alien society would you reccomend blazing in on the biggest ship we have and making our presence known without any knowledge of what we're encountering?

all this said, my original argument was simply about life on other planets or galaxies, and it's been turned into rationalizing aliens coming to earth somehow. I think i've stated i'm not one of those people who cant be swayed that we're being visited by aliens from far off, i think it's possible, but it's likley not the only solution.
And granted none of this stuff can be proven or disproven, so arguing about hypotheticals is silly. You belive what you want, and i'll do the same.

[samsara]

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm

This is what I was talking about but the article is a lot shorter than the original one.

[TheBestBet]

Aliens wouldn't approve of Millionaires/Brokenyde

[My Broken Fever]

Aliens wouldn't approve of Millionaires/Brokenyde
Nothing could ever approve of those.

[livethesounds]

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm

This is what I was talking about but the article is a lot shorter than the original one.

it's hard to take things like that too seriously. interesting, but still.

[samsara]

it's hard to take things like that too seriously. interesting, but still.

Yeah the other one I read looked a little more legit. It had a lot more details than this.

[peder458]

Aliens wouldn't approve of Millionaires/Brokenyde

when aliens discover us, i hope they don't just decide to blow up the earth because of those shitty acts. if i was an alien and that was the first thing i heard, i'd be like, "fuck it, blow that shit up. let's go home."

[livethesounds]

that or they'd just leave because they would decide we're not intelligent life after all.

[x togepi x]

1. all they'd have to do is evolve to our form of intelligence. an extra million years of research goes a LONG way. Even a couple thousand.

Here you assume that more time to evolve=more intelligent species, which is a gross misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution only selects those that are able to breed, it's feasibly possible that super strong but dumb aliens could be selected for instead of not so strong smart aliens. You can't assume evolution is totally progressive in that sense just because we happened to evolve in that way.

You also assume that, during that extra time they had that something terrible didn't happen to them.

2. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think dinosaurs and man can be categorized in the same "intelligent life" category. If a meteor hit the earth today a lot of us would die, but do you think it would make the human species extinct? If so then you really underestimate human ingenuity.

I don't underestimate human ingenuity at all since a major global cataclysmic event would be beyond the scale of our technology at the present time. I mean, a giant meteor fucks up biodiversity which is key to the existence of life as we know it. Technology isn't going to be able to solve that unless it's developed to do so before the event.

You'd have to assume that the aliens would have the foresight to develop said technology or that a major apocalyptic event didn't happen.

A great scenario for this the expansion of our sun. At some point, millions and millions from now, the sun will expand to a point where it engulfs the earth. There is no way we can stop this. Even if aliens had that millions of years to evolve, who's to say the same thing didn't happen to them?

3. this is one assumption i'm making yes. our technology has come a long way in 100 years, throw on a few thousand years and i think you'll be really surprised on where we are. And different species always have different life expectancies, if a species from another system is not human, why should they have the same life expectancy as us?

i'd buy this argument if the life span needed to traverse said distances wasn't so much more than ours. it's possible, sure, but not very probable.

and yeah, throwing a few thousand years at technology could do a lot, but that assumes they research the right things. how do we know they aren't wasting their time making really sweet alien ipods or space porn? You assume that they spent thousands of years developing technology when aliens might have had other goals for their society. You also assume that said alien government had the money to fund said research. Maybe they did have a research program to make this technology but it was underfunded or just not persued?

4. Again, with the extra thousands of years of research.

once again, you can't assume extra time=extra research, or that their projects were successful. you also assume there aren't limits to what science can do, which there could be.

5. I'm not saying it would never happen, but i'd assume more than one ship/whatever would be sent out. i think it's not a stretch to assume that. Science can at least explain, or theorize about the travel. Worm holes would be the fastest way to travel a great distance. Now we don't know where one would go, or if there is such a thing that could take you from system to system, but theoretically it's at least a possibility.

This assumes that they would be willing to take such a big risk.

6. This is kind of silly. if alien civilizations would even care to go to space then why not travel as far as possible? I'm pretty sure once we get to the point where we can travel far distances in space we're not just going to quit when we get to a certain point.

Considering we don't know anything about these hypothetical alien civilizations, we can't assume anything about their nature. Maybe they have an insanely awesome planet that they love or some sort of religion that keeps them close to it? We can't assume they would want to travel that far.

and we stopped traveling with humans to the moon at some point, so there's actually a good example of a civilization that isn't "traveling as far as possible".

7. Who says they've been stealthy? people see things on a daily basis.

People see vague things that can be explained away as things other than space ships. My argument here was that they'd show up in an obvious space ship that everyone can see and not just a bunch of crack pots in bumfuck texas.

I don't think it's a large assumtion to say their techonology would be far surpased ours, so why wouldn't a civilaztion care to design cloaking devices and other things to make their crafts less ominous? aren't we already doing that today?

just because we do it doesn't mean they would want to. we do cloaking because we don't want to get caught. if their technology surprasses ours, they might not care since they could just wipe us out.

And i'm not sure i can take this argument seriously anymore if you're going to compare this to ID4. Unless they were coming hear to destory us, i'd take the assumtion they just wanted to study us. which would be most of the reason for a lot of the cloaking devices. If we happen upon an alien society would you reccomend blazing in on the biggest ship we have and making our presence known without any knowledge of what we're encountering?

Here you assume they care about knowledge. They might not. They could just want to fuck shit up. Why assume aliens have the same ethical systems that we do?

all this said, my original argument was simply about life on other planets or galaxies, and it's been turned into rationalizing aliens coming to earth somehow. I think i've stated i'm not one of those people who cant be swayed that we're being visited by aliens from far off, i think it's possible, but it's likley not the only solution.
And granted none of this stuff can be proven or disproven, so arguing about hypotheticals is silly. You belive what you want, and i'll do the same.


and all i'm saying here is that there's so many hypotheticals that we can't know anything, but that aliens coming here is insanely improbable given all of the scenarios i just brought up. in your arguments, you assume a distinctly Human lifeform (since you compare them to us in science, ethics, etc), but there's no real justification for that.

[livethesounds]

and all i'm saying here is that there's so many hypotheticals that we can't know anything, but that aliens coming here is insanely improbable given all of the scenarios i just brought up. in your arguments, you assume a distinctly Human lifeform (since you compare them to us in science, ethics, etc), but there's no real justification for that.

haha, i get what you're saying. the bumfuck texas part was a bit of a cheap shot seeing as how sightings happen around the world daily.
Yea there's a lot of variables to throw in. But the fact of the matter is it doesn't rule out (however unlikely) the fact that aliens could be visiting here, which would be the topic of the thread. Again, i don't necessarily believe that, but what i'm saying is it's possible.

Personally i will only beleive the "alien" part of the UFO phonomena when i see hard evidence. But there's no mistaking that people see strange unexplainable things on a daily basis, things that other countries are trying to understand and what our own goverment started a special military project for. I suppose we all have to search for our own answers until the real ones surface.

[zion the lion]

that or they'd just leave because they would decide we're not intelligent life after all.

Because we are anyways?

[livethesounds]

Because we are anyways?

:hitself:

[xshady121]

Because we are anyways?

Surely not with English like that.