Big Ben really knows how to lead his troops.

[LeftWideOpen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2288795

Pretty much said his team has no chance unless the Colts stink.

[justinevans]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2288795

Pretty much said his team has no chance unless the Colts stink.

yeah, hand-off left and hand-off right. must be tough.

[still_life]

Meanwhile I've already heard this discussed twice on ESPN and NFL Network and everyone said he knew exactly what he was doing, bringing up that "us vs. the world" mentality. The week of media before a NFL game is annoying to begin with, it's even worse when people don't even handle it right like this.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

""Obviously, they're the best football team in the NFL and we're just the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're going to go in and obviously try to find a way to just put a few points on the board and compete."

Come on Ben..

To be honest, I think The Colts are gonna take it as well. But you can't just openly give up, show some spirit. Mind over matter. If you think you're the best, you are the best. You're going to lose, if you say you're going to lose.

[Scott Weber]

Don't handle it right? He said: We need our A+ game and they need their B- game in order for us to win. I don't see how there's any twist on that. I feel like that is a terrible way to motivate your team.

[LeftWideOpen]

Meanwhile I've already heard this discussed twice on ESPN and NFL Network and everyone said he knew exactly what he was doing, bringing up that "us vs. the world" mentality. The week of media before a NFL game is annoying to begin with, it's even worse when people don't even handle it right like this.

i didnt see the interview so i'm not sure if this article took his words out of context ...but it sounds more like a submission than "us vs the world". He would have had better luck pulling out the respect card.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Don't handle it right? He said: We need our A+ game and they need their B- game in order for us to win. I don't see how there's any twist on that. I feel like that is a terrible way to motivate your team.

Exactly.

[Drew Beringer]

Don't handle it right? He said: We need our A+ game and they need their B- game in order for us to win. I don't see how there's any twist on that. I feel like that is a terrible way to motivate your team.

Haha, I know. Unless, he is trying to make the Colts think they don't need to try as hard, but the Colts are one of the best coached teams in the NFL and they know they still need to bring their best game.

[LeftWideOpen]

Haha, I know. Unless, he is trying to make the Colts think they don't need to try as hard, but the Colts are one of the best coached teams in the NFL and they know they still need to bring their best game.

yeah, playing possum doesnt usually work in professional football. even giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming thats what hes doing, its at very best a dumb strategy.

[Scott Weber]

I'd like to see how still_life defends Ben here. Seems like an obvious bonehead move to me.

[still_life]

I'd rather hear something else than some pussy bitching about the amount of respect. That's played out.

[LeftWideOpen]

I'd rather hear something else than some pussy bitching about the amount of respect. That's played out.

i'd rather have a team go into a game with an angry mentality, rather than an inferior one.

[still_life]

They are inferior though. Everyone's said it all week, the Steelers can do nothing about this game if the Colts play their game the way they did all year before shutting it down. I don't see why a team has to make any kind of motivational comment during the week to the media, whether it's trash talking or "no respect". Just shut up and play.

[G-Unit]

hes the man, remember him in the nike warriors commercial

[LeftWideOpen]

now here comes Joey Porter saying that the Colts are a finesse team and they dont want to just line up and play football. also called edgerrin james performance against them in the regular season a "cheap 100".

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2289603

cowher must really have those guys on the same page.

[still_life]

Joey Porter always likes to run his mouth, but he always disappears when facing a good OL.

I just don't see the problem with Ben heavily adding to the confidence of the Colts. Did you hear those guys this week? They are very relaxed and expecting to win this game. All Ben did was try and make them overconfident. Being the heavy favorite doesn't always work out.

[justinevans]

Joey Porter always likes to run his mouth, but he always disappears when facing a good OL.

I just don't see the problem with Ben heavily adding to the confidence of the Colts. Did you hear those guys this week? They are very relaxed and expecting to win this game. All Ben did was try and make them overconfident. Being the heavy favorite doesn't always work out.

haha i just noticed you were a prestigious member hahah.

[make_this_hurt]

Ben's an overrated tool.

[justinevans]

Ben's an overrated tool.

The New QB is the QB that control the game w/o making mistakes....that is why the Bears got where they were with Kyle Orton.

Defense, a running game, and a quarterback that doesn't force things win games.

[Drew Beringer]

Joey Porter is a dumbfuck.

[make_this_hurt]

The New QB is the QB that control the game w/o making mistakes....that is why the Bears got where they were with Kyle Orton.

Defense, a running game, and a quarterback that doesn't force things win games.


But it doesn't make him a good quarterback.

[justinevans]

But it doesn't make him a good quarterback.

It doesn't make him a bad one either. He makes plays when he has to.

[Drew Beringer]

It doesn't make him a bad one either. He makes plays when he has to.

Exactly, the Ravens won the Super Bowl with fuckin Trent Dilfer!

[make_this_hurt]

Exactly, the Ravens won the Super Bowl with fuckin Trent Dilfer!


No they won it IN SPITE of Trent Dilfer.

[justinevans]

Exactly, the Ravens won the Super Bowl with fuckin Trent Dilfer!

haha he was on The Herd this morning.

[Drew Beringer]

No they won it IN SPITE of Trent Dilfer.

No, Dilfer made very few turnovers, and led the offense well enough to score enough points for their stellar defense to hold on the game.

[make_this_hurt]

No, Dilfer made very few turnovers, and led the offense well enough to score enough points for their stellar defense to hold on the game.


Yea.. Because throwing for 1500 yds, 12 tds, and 11 ints and fumbling twice.... is a GREAT SEASON. He totally led that team to a super bowl.

They could have put a retarded monkey at quarterback and still won the super bowl. They had the best defense of the last 15 years.

[Drew Beringer]

Yea.. Because throwing for 1500 yds, 12 tds, and 11 ints and fumbling twice.... is a GREAT SEASON. He totally led that team to a super bowl.

They could have put a retarded monkey at quarterback and still won the super bowl. They had the best defense of the last 15 years.

When did I say that he had a great season? 11 INTs in one season is really not that much.

[make_this_hurt]

It is when you only throw 12 tds.

[Drew Beringer]

It is when you only throw 12 tds.

No, it still isn't. Dilfer was good at maintaining possession, controlling the clock, and not putting the Ravens defense in bad predictaments. All I know is that the Ravens won 11 in a row with Dilfer as their QB in 2000, so Dilfer was doing something right.

[dai the flu]

late again, but ill give my opinion.
i think bens just agreeing with what everyone else says, 'yeah we're JUST the pittsburgh steelers, what can we do?' for a very good reason. i think its great. his offensive line agreed with his statement. its not admitting defeat. he's not giving the colts any bulletin board material and it absolutely puts them in that "us vs. the world" mentality. we're JUST the pittsburgh steelers.
yeah. we're JUST the best team in football the past two years at 26-6. count us out, we're nobodies.
i bet you thats said to the colts every time theres a sack or a dominant offensive line play or big hit or whatever.
we're just the pittsburgh steelers. what can we do.
great motivation.

[Drew Beringer]

yeah. we're JUST the best team in football the past two years at 26-6. count us out, we're nobodies.


I'm sure Dungy has informed his team of this. I can't see the Colts playing a bad game, they are going to have a lot of fire and I don't think it's going ot be that close of a game.

[fromwithin]

he's trying to play the underdog role which is a specialty in pittsburgh. then if they win they'll bitch the whole week about no respect and how no one picked them to win. I really hope they get blown out and even better SHUT OUT. Ship Big Ben off to Miami then for Ricky Williams and draft picks. I don't care if he's 26-6 or whatever his record is as a starter, when you start the playoffs everyone is 0-0, and he's going to be known in Pittsburgh as the one who couldnt win the big one. Its sad that Bettis wont get his Super Bowl ring, I'm sure he'll go to a buffet and cry while he stuffs his face.

[dai the flu]

I'm sure Dungy has informed his team of this. I can't see the Colts playing a bad game, they are going to have a lot of fire and I don't think it's going ot be that close of a game.

im not saying the steelers will win, but i do feel it will be close.
now whether it works or not, going into a game this hard with this method/mindset they have is probably the best attitude they could have, the most motivating.
but like you said, dungy knows what he's doing, they'll be prepared.
should be a good game.

[FondestMemory]

i think it's brilliant what ben did.

and i think they win sunday.

and with that winning percentage, how can he be overrated? i'd take him over 95% of the other quarterbacks in the league. and he's not gonna be known as the guy who can't win the big game in only his second year. that's a stupid fucking thing to say.

he's only a second year guy, but has an amazing record and has gained the trust and respect of his team. he's proven he can do what needs to be done to win games. and he's only gonna get better. he's perfect for this team, and i hope to god he retires a steeler.

[still_life]

and he's not gonna be known as the guy who can't win the big game in only his second year. that's a stupid fucking thing to say.

Yeah that is. I wouldn't be surprised if he set a NFL record last week by becoming the first QB to ever lead a team to a playoff win in each of his first two seasons. I can't think of anyone that did that.

[make_this_hurt]

i'd take him over 95% of the other quarterbacks in the league.


Haha. That's funny.

[fromwithin]

and with that winning percentage, how can he be overrated? i'd take him over 95% of the other quarterbacks in the league. and he's not gonna be known as the guy who can't win the big game in only his second year. that's a stupid fucking thing to say.

he's only a second year guy, but has an amazing record and has gained the trust and respect of his team. he's proven he can do what needs to be done to win games. and he's only gonna get better. he's perfect for this team, and i hope to god he retires a steeler.

Just like everyone had faith in Kordell "SLASH" Stewart right? I hope to God he's gone as soon as his contract is up. He'll be another Maddox in my book. I can't think of another Steelers' QB who's been such a wimp. I'd take 95% of the QB's over him anyday. He should get traded to the Texans for Carr and next year's 1st round pick so then the Texans will be known as the team with the most overhyped QB and RB.

[still_life]

Just like everyone had faith in Kordell "SLASH" Stewart right? I hope to God he's gone as soon as his contract is up. He'll be another Maddox in my book. I can't think of another Steelers' QB who's been such a wimp. I'd take 95% of the QB's over him anyday. He should get traded to the Texans for Carr and next year's 1st round pick so then the Texans will be known as the team with the most overhyped QB and RB.

This has to be a joke account. No one could be this stupid.

[Drew Beringer]

i'd take him over 95% of the other quarterbacks in the league.

I would take Favre, Manning, Palmer, Brady, Brees, Green, Delhomme, Hasselback before I take Big Ben. Sure he has a great record, but he has been blessed with a great defense and a great running game.

[FondestMemory]

Just like everyone had faith in Kordell "SLASH" Stewart right? I hope to God he's gone as soon as his contract is up. He'll be another Maddox in my book. I can't think of another Steelers' QB who's been such a wimp. I'd take 95% of the QB's over him anyday. He should get traded to the Texans for Carr and next year's 1st round pick so then the Texans will be known as the team with the most overhyped QB and RB.

first off, maddox was never good in the first place. ben did more in his first three starts than maddox could have ever dreamt of doing in the nfl.

and how is he such a wimp? because he plays injured? because he's not afraid to take a hit? because when he does get hit, he gets right back up? seriously, how is he a wimp?

there's few other quarterbacks who bring to their team what ben brings to the steelers. he epitomizes what this team is about. you can have 95% of the other qbs. cause there's very few that i think could do what he does for this team.

you jump at the steelers and attack them any chance you get. but you never have shit to back it up. so until you do, 'your book' doesn't mean shit to me.

[still_life]

I would take Favre, Manning, Palmer, Brady, Brees, Green, Delhomme, Hasselback before I take Big Ben. Sure he has a great record, but he has been blessed with a great defense and a great running game.

Favre? Blah, he might be the worst decision maker in the league right now. Career's probably over anyway. And I'd take Roethlisberger over Brees, Delhomme, and Hasselbeck, for now, out of the ones you mentioned. You talk about great defense and running game, look at Brees. LT and Gates have made him the QB he is now, and they have a great defense that stops the run. The guy was a bust for the first few years, and he still turns it over a bit too much in crucial moments. I think Delhomme is a great playoff and pressure situation QB, but he too makes a lot of bad decisions with turnovers. Hasselbeck has a better running game and much better o-line.

[FondestMemory]

I would take Favre, Manning, Palmer, Brady, Brees, Green, Delhomme, Hasselback before I take Big Ben. Sure he has a great record, but he has been blessed with a great defense and a great running game.

so still, that's only 25% of the starters in this league. and there's a few i don't agree with, so i stand strong behind my 95% statement.

i'm not saying he's better than 95%. i'm not saying he's the best. but he is perfect for this team. and i think he's proven that.

tommy maddox was blessed with a great defense and running game too and went 6-10 in a full season as a starter. and even with this year's team he gave away two games.

[still_life]

so still, that's only 25% of the starters in this league. and there's a few i don't agree with, so i stand strong behind my 95% statement.

i'm not saying he's better than 95%. i'm not saying he's the best. but he is perfect for this team. and i think he's proven that.

tommy maddox was blessed with a great defense and running game too and went 6-10 in a full season as a starter. and even with this year's team he gave away two games.

The Steelers running game was 31st in 2003, and the secondary really sucked (though that's been the case the last few years). The o-line was all banged up in 03 too.

[Vincewithouthee]

he's trying to play the underdog role which is a specialty in pittsburgh. then if they win they'll bitch the whole week about no respect and how no one picked them to win. I really hope they get blown out and even better SHUT OUT. Ship Big Ben off to Miami then for Ricky Williams and draft picks. I don't care if he's 26-6 or whatever his record is as a starter, when you start the playoffs everyone is 0-0, and he's going to be known in Pittsburgh as the one who couldnt win the big one. Its sad that Bettis wont get his Super Bowl ring, I'm sure he'll go to a buffet and cry while he stuffs his face.

That's the dumbest shit I ever read on here in a while.

I agree with Big Ben though. Everyone's been bitching to me about how I'm saying the Steelers will get crushed. But sometimes negative thinking leads to opposite results. Haha. ;)

[Vincewithouthee]

This has to be a joke account. No one could be this stupid.

Hahaha wow seriously.

[FondestMemory]

The Steelers running game was 31st in 2003, and the secondary really sucked (though that's been the case the last few years). The o-line was all banged up in 03 too.

yeah. i realize all that. i just hate tommy maddox. they were so low in rushing that year also because they didn't go to it as much as usual. tried being more open on offense and giving maddox more chances to lose games.

but even this year, he single-handedly gave away the jacksonville game, and should shoulder a large load on the ravens loss.

and for the life of me, why can't we fix that secondary? we have decent players back there (and a great one in polamalu), but every year the defensive backfield scares the shit out of me.

[imirish06]

I think the Jerry Porter comments are hilarious

[still_life]

yeah. i realize all that. i just hate tommy maddox. they were so low in rushing that year also because they didn't go to it as much as usual. tried being more open on offense and giving maddox more chances to lose games.

but even this year, he single-handedly gave away the jacksonville game, and should shoulder a large load on the ravens loss.

and for the life of me, why can't we fix that secondary? we have decent players back there (and a great one in polamalu), but every year the defensive backfield scares the shit out of me.

A lot of it is playcalling. LeBeau blitzes too much at times, and leaves the DB's on their own island. They're not talented enough to cover people like that. Even an All Pro like Polamalu makes a lot of stupid plays at times.

[preppyak]

Just like everyone had faith in Kordell "SLASH" Stewart right? I hope to God he's gone as soon as his contract is up. He'll be another Maddox in my book. I can't think of another Steelers' QB who's been such a wimp. I'd take 95% of the QB's over him anyday. He should get traded to the Texans for Carr and next year's 1st round pick so then the Texans will be known as the team with the most overhyped QB and RB.
Maddox was terribly inaccurate. You can call Ben over-hyped all you want, but perfect passer ratings in the first few games, an over 100 rating on passes of 10-20 yards, and I'm guessing probably top 5 in accuracy and rating amongst all QB's in the league.

Really, you want Aaron Brooks, any of the Detmers, Jay Feely, any QB San Francisco has seen in the last 4 years?

Hmm, you should go to Detroit, they are looking for someone who is an even bigger idiot than Millen

[make_this_hurt]

Maddox was terribly inaccurate. You can call Ben over-hyped all you want, but perfect passer ratings in the first few games, an over 100 rating on passes of 10-20 yards, and I'm guessing probably top 5 in accuracy and rating amongst all QB's in the league.

Really, you want Aaron Brooks, any of the Detmers, Jay Feely, any QB San Francisco has seen in the last 4 years?

Hmm, you should go to Detroit, they are looking for someone who is an even bigger idiot than Millen


He also throws the ball probably close to 40% less then most starting quarterbacks. I know he was hurt some this year... so I'll use last year as an example:

He had 295 attempts. Manning had 497; Culpepper 548; McNabb 469; Green 556; Brady 474.

When you don't throw the ball alot, you'll have a higher completion percentage and turn the ball over less. Oh.. and throw in a dominating defense and a run game that's 70% of the offense... and you have an overrated QB.

[FondestMemory]

He also throws the ball probably close to 40% less then most starting quarterbacks. I know he was hurt some this year... so I'll use last year as an example:

He had 295 attempts. Manning had 497; Culpepper 548; McNabb 469; Green 556; Brady 474.

When you don't throw the ball alot, you'll have a higher completion percentage and turn the ball over less. Oh.. and throw in a dominating defense and a run game that's 70% of the offense... and you have an overrated QB.

i really don't understand how he's overrated?

when the league's elite quarterbacks are mentioned, he isn't among them. he hasn't made a pro bowl. no mvps. i just don't get where he's so overrated.

he does what he's asked to do. he's not asked to throw a lot. he doesn't need to. but when he needs to, he's extremely accurate and has big-play ability.

but anyways, i'd rather have an overrated quarterback that wins most his games than a qb that's worth the hype but loses.

[still_life]

He also throws the ball probably close to 40% less then most starting quarterbacks. I know he was hurt some this year... so I'll use last year as an example:

He had 295 attempts. Manning had 497; Culpepper 548; McNabb 469; Green 556; Brady 474.

When you don't throw the ball alot, you'll have a higher completion percentage and turn the ball over less. Oh.. and throw in a dominating defense and a run game that's 70% of the offense... and you have an overrated QB.

He played 13 and a half games last year, 12 this year. Does it really matter how many attempts he has? He maximizes his attempts by completing most of them, and completing them for a very high average (1st in the league this year).

[NoPenguinsInPA]

i'm pretty offended by all the ben = dilfer talk. in ben i see a lot more of another #7 (the one from denver) than dilfer. you've got to look at the quality of ben's numbers, not the quantity. favre was among the league leaders in passing yards this year- see where that got the pack.

ben's comment is pretty accurate, and i'd much rather take sensibility over an idiot like porter running his mouth for no reason. the colts knocked the shit out of pittsburgh earlier this year (albeit on ben's first game back from injury), and the 26-7 score made it look a lot closer than it was

pittsburgh needs to jump out on sunday if they want to have any chance, they can't fuck around and "weather the storm" like they did in cincy, where they had to dig out of a ten point hole. if they're down more than 7 at the end of the first quarter, the game is over.

[bigmike]

Maddox was terribly inaccurate. You can call Ben over-hyped all you want, but perfect passer ratings in the first few games, an over 100 rating on passes of 10-20 yards, and I'm guessing probably top 5 in accuracy and rating amongst all QB's in the league.

Really, you want Aaron Brooks, any of the Detmers, Jay Feely, any QB San Francisco has seen in the last 4 years?

Hmm, you should go to Detroit, they are looking for someone who is an even bigger idiot than Millen


hey, hey, hey.

Easy on the lions. our ownership is apparently content to have Matt Millen. There's no market here for someone more retarded.


He also throws the ball probably close to 40% less then most starting quarterbacks. I know he was hurt some this year... so I'll use last year as an example:

He had 295 attempts. Manning had 497; Culpepper 548; McNabb 469; Green 556; Brady 474.

When you don't throw the ball alot, you'll have a higher completion percentage and turn the ball over less. Oh.. and throw in a dominating defense and a run game that's 70% of the offense... and you have an overrated QB.

so you're comparing him to the quarterback's whose scheme's, for the most part, afforded them the opportunity to huck the ball about 35 times a game? How is that fair again? and what does his attempts matter if you're something like 26-6 under him?

Why don't fans just accept a quarterback who does enough to allow the team to win?

Send his over hyped, nothing-but-basically-win-games ass here, to Detroit. we'll give you ty detmer, joey harrington, jeff garcia, dan orlovsky, rodney peete, scott mitchell, and andre ware.

For fuck's sake quit complaining about winning players.

[still_life]

Yeah that is. I wouldn't be surprised if he set a NFL record last week by becoming the first QB to ever lead a team to a playoff win in each of his first two seasons. I can't think of anyone that did that.

So I researched this and it didn't take long to find the answer since Pat Haden (1976) and Shaun King were the only other rookie QB's to even win a playoff game. They each went back the next year and were one and done. So Ben's the first QB to ever notch a playoff win in his first two seasons.

[LeftWideOpen]

So I researched this and it didn't take long to find the answer since Pat Haden (1976) and Shaun King were the only other rookie QB's to even win a playoff game. They each went back the next year and were one and done. So Ben's the first QB to ever notch a playoff win in his first two seasons.

ben didnt exactly carry his team on his shoulders in either year ..so that seems like a pretty meaningless stat. interesting, but meaningless.

[dai the flu]

he threw for 3 touchdowns and didnt make any mistakes. id say thats fairly close to carrying a team.

[still_life]

ben didnt exactly carry his team on his shoulders in either year ..so that seems like a pretty meaningless stat. interesting, but meaningless.

How's it any different than the constant talk of W-L record directly related to the QB, or the constant knob slobbing of "Brady's 10-0 in the playoffs"? It's not like he carried them in 10 games, hell, Bledsoe did more in one of them.

Roethlisberger would have been the main reason they lost to the Jets last year if they did, and he was a big part of why they won with multiple 3rd down conversions in OT to set up the FG, and the plays he made on a TD drive in the 4th quarter to tie the game

He was the main reason they won last week's game. It surely wasn't a defense that couldn't stop the Bengals for a large part of the game, and definitely wasn't a running game that produced hardly any yards until the Bengals were down by 11.

[LeftWideOpen]

How's it any different than the constant talk of W-L record directly related to the QB, or the constant knob slobbing of "Brady's 10-0 in the playoffs"? It's not like he carried them in 10 games, hell, Bledsoe did more in one of them.

Roethlisberger would have been the main reason they lost to the Jets last year if they did, and he was a big part of why they won with multiple 3rd down conversions in OT to set up the FG, and the plays he made on a TD drive in the 4th quarter to tie the game

He was the main reason they won last week's game. It surely wasn't a defense that couldn't stop the Bengals for a large part of the game, and definitely wasn't a running game that produced hardly any yards until the Bengals were down by 11.

being 10-0 in the playoffs means something because its over a course of TEN games, and he won 3 super bowls in that span. Ben Roethlisberger looked good last week and is a very good QB ...but that whole thing about being the 1st guy in history to win a playoff game in his first two years is a fluke stat. that's no different than the WR who catches a TD pass in his first 3 playoff games, etc.

QB's are ultimately defined by their career stats and how many super bowls they've won ..not by some useless fact that makes for a good trivia question of the week during telecasts.

[FondestMemory]

being 10-0 in the playoffs means something because its over a course of TEN games, and he won 3 super bowls in that span. Ben Roethlisberger looked good last week and is a very good QB ...but that whole thing about being the 1st guy in history to win a playoff game in his first two years is a fluke stat. that's no different than the WR who catches a TD pass in his first 3 playoff games, etc.

QB's are ultimately defined by their career stats and how many super bowls they've won ..not by some useless fact that makes for a good trivia question of the week during telecasts.

he's in his second year. sorry if his career stats aren't impressive enough for you.

and look how all the quarterbacks making their first playoff start this year did. i think it's a rather impressive stat.

[LeftWideOpen]

he's in his second year. sorry if his career stats aren't impressive enough for you.

and look how all the quarterbacks making their first playoff start this year did. i think it's a rather impressive stat.

the stat reflects more on the steelers then roethlisberger. I already said hes a very good QB and has good numbers ...but being the first guy to win a playoff game in his first two seasons ISNT that big a deal. It speaks more to the guys around him.

If he led the league in yardage or QB rating for two years then thats a great personal achievement. This other stat spans 3 games and was a team victory ..it isnt a big deal just because it hasnt been done before. It's an Aflac Trivia Question of the Week.

[still_life]

being 10-0 in the playoffs means something because its over a course of TEN games, and he won 3 super bowls in that span. Ben Roethlisberger looked good last week and is a very good QB ...but that whole thing about being the 1st guy in history to win a playoff game in his first two years is a fluke stat. that's no different than the WR who catches a TD pass in his first 3 playoff games, etc.

QB's are ultimately defined by their career stats and how many super bowls they've won ..not by some useless fact that makes for a good trivia question of the week during telecasts.

How is this a fluke? If anything's a fluke, it's Brady's 10-0 record. That's a team record if there's ever been one, plus it's been driven by defense all the time.

Only two other QB's have ever even won a playoff game in their rookie year. It's a very rare case for someone to be successful at this stage of their career. Like the other user said, look at the QB's last week who weren't even rookies that started their first playoff game, all losses, and all rather poor play except for Palmer. It's hard to win any playoff game, let alone one in each of your first two seasons when the learning process is at it's toughest.

[still_life]

So yeah, what the hell was Ben thinking when he tried to pump up the confidence of the Colts?

The two most overconfident teams lost this weekend (Colts and Bears). It worked.

And Porter actually backed up his mouth for a change.

[itsjdiggity]

Big Ben is a cerebral assassin