Doc Rivers is the worst coach in the NBA

[mikeford]

i seriously cant name a worse coach.

in tonights game, he decided to play the same 5 guys for all three overtime periods, even though after the first overtime it was clear that three people were allowed to shoot the ball on the celtics, and 2.5 on the 6ers (korver from 3 being the .5, AI and Web being the other 2)

so of course, logically, you leave brian scalabrine in the game because he presents zero offensive threat and thus allows the 6ers to basically ignore him completely... you know, instead of putting in al jefferson and creating a LOW POST weapon... something generally KEY in getting hoops in an overtime, or getting to the line at least.

so no. goes with west, pierce, davis, blount and whiteboy.

and we lose in 3 overtimes because doc is an idiot and since scalabrines man wasnt taking any shots anyway, we might as well have brian in there for defensive purposes cuz lord knows hes not scoring... al jefferson sucks at defense... too much of a liability i guess... whyfa'osyf
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im so fucking angry. i feel like i could coach this team better and im not even exaggerating.

[somethingyellow]

he did fuck that game up, the celtics should have won

[mikeford]

also, he doesnt understand the idea of putting people in for offensive possessions, and taking them out for someone else on defense, you know, like college basketball does all the time.

christ.

i quit on watching this fucking team if that asshole isnt jobless by feb 1st.

[somethingyellow]

its hard to see him being around much longer

[Doug]

basically i agree with everything said in this thread. watched the game with ford and the end was so completely depressing/frustrating. three overtimes with the EXACT five players??? only raef had fouled out. west was playing with five fouls the entire overtime. perk and allen were in for i believe a combined 27 seconds in OT, i mean doc really didn't think we needed a low post threat like perk at all? or the defense of tony allen? maybe the offensive prowess of al jefferson? pierce looked like he could barely move by the beginning of the third ot. and why no one tried to foul at the end of the game is completely beyond all logic, except that all five guys out there were probably so tired they were ready to pass out.

fuck doc rivers.

[mikeford]

seriously running around for a full 15 minutes is pretty exhausting considering all NBA players smoke weed.

[LeftWideOpen]

i turned this game off at the start of the 4th figuring the Celts could hold on to a 10 point lead ..shoulda known better.

Ainge and Doc must be best buds or something because this shouldnt be a difficult decision and it should have been done a long time ago. If Ainge doesnt get rid of him soon then Grousbeck should step in and fire them both.

[The Don]

As a Sixers fan, let me say that was a great game.

[yeat182]

they aren't going to fire him because he isn't there to win games now, he's there to get the young players experience so that they can win in 2 or 3 years. with their cap situation, they aren't going to be able to build a championship caliber team through free agency, so they have to do it through drafting and developing talent. doc was brought in to put in a system that ainge wanted to run, and to develop the young players so that in a few years they can compete for a championship. if they were trying to go out there and win every game (which sounds counter intuitive) they would only play the veterans and guys like jefferson and west wouldn't get any minutes and thus would never improve. they would end up trading away the kids for veteran role players to maybe win a round or two in the playoffs and it would be the same situation that saw guys like ben wallace and chauncy billups leave to go on to be stars somewhere else. that being said, after 1 OT i didn't see why marcus banks wasn't in the game and then i could see bringing perkins and jefferson in for a minute here or there to give blount and scalabrine a rest.

[mcfly21]

what's the celt's record?

[xearlynovemberx]

worst coach behind larry brown
......wait the knicks are on a six game winning streak hahahah

[LeftWideOpen]

they aren't going to fire him because he isn't there to win games now, he's there to get the young players experience so that they can win in 2 or 3 years. with their cap situation, they aren't going to be able to build a championship caliber team through free agency, so they have to do it through drafting and developing talent. doc was brought in to put in a system that ainge wanted to run, and to develop the young players so that in a few years they can compete for a championship. if they were trying to go out there and win every game (which sounds counter intuitive) they would only play the veterans and guys like jefferson and west wouldn't get any minutes and thus would never improve. they would end up trading away the kids for veteran role players to maybe win a round or two in the playoffs and it would be the same situation that saw guys like ben wallace and chauncy billups leave to go on to be stars somewhere else. that being said, after 1 OT i didn't see why marcus banks wasn't in the game and then i could see bringing perkins and jefferson in for a minute here or there to give blount and scalabrine a rest.

it isnt even the win/loss thing that bothers me about doc ..it's that he has absolutely no pattern to how he plays his people. marcus banks was showing GREAT progress until all of a sudden his minutes dropped at the beginning of the year for no apparent reason ...this guy was a lottery pick who we heavily invested in and now hes spending the majority of games on the bench.

i seriously would take rick pitino back in a heartbeat over doc ...and i would consider m.l carr over him too. doc belongs in the broadcast booth.

[itsjdiggity]

it isnt even the win/loss thing that bothers me about doc ..it's that he has absolutely no pattern to how he plays his people. marcus banks was showing GREAT progress until all of a sudden his minutes dropped at the beginning of the year for no apparent reason ...this guy was a lottery pick who we heavily invested in and now hes spending the majority of games on the bench.

i seriously would take rick pitino back in a heartbeat over doc ...and i would consider m.l carr over him too. doc belongs in the broadcast booth.

haha...wasn't ml carr the worst of the worst

[LeftWideOpen]

haha...wasn't ml carr the worst of the worst

i used to think so ..but now im starting to wonder with doc rivers.

it's a shame jim o' brien quit ..hes the only decent coach we've had since the larry bird era.

[Doug]

they aren't going to fire him because he isn't there to win games now, he's there to get the young players experience so that they can win in 2 or 3 years. with their cap situation, they aren't going to be able to build a championship caliber team through free agency, so they have to do it through drafting and developing talent. doc was brought in to put in a system that ainge wanted to run, and to develop the young players so that in a few years they can compete for a championship. if they were trying to go out there and win every game (which sounds counter intuitive) they would only play the veterans and guys like jefferson and west wouldn't get any minutes and thus would never improve. they would end up trading away the kids for veteran role players to maybe win a round or two in the playoffs and it would be the same situation that saw guys like ben wallace and chauncy billups leave to go on to be stars somewhere else. that being said, after 1 OT i didn't see why marcus banks wasn't in the game and then i could see bringing perkins and jefferson in for a minute here or there to give blount and scalabrine a rest.

we COULD win right now though. we could make the playoffs with the right coach. with pierce and davis, that's more than enough to win the atlantic. and west, jefferson, allen, banks, and perkins, although young, are very very good players who help out tremendously, but are ultimately banks, allen, perkins and jefferson are not played enough because raef, blount, and lately scalabrine are eating up minutes. it's very frustrating because we have a good team. and continuing losing to get a high draft pick, in my opinion, will do close to nothing. we have a foundation for years to come with west, jefferson, possibly allen or banks, perkins and gerald green. this team is ready to win now. we lose pretty much every game regardless of who we're playing by 1 or 2, we're keeping up with everyone, but it's turnovers and coaching errors that aren't getting us past the hump.

[G-Unit]

youre from boston and like the seahawks?

[Caleb Cattivera]

did you say brian sclabrinakdfkadgkjdj he seriously still plays? please dont tell me ainge signed that piece of shit...if so you need a new coach and a new gm.

[LeftWideOpen]

did you say brian sclabrinakdfkadgkjdj he seriously still plays? please dont tell me ainge signed that piece of shit...if so you need a new coach and a new gm.

not only did we sign this big hunk of shit ..we gave him a FIVE YEAR DEAL.

gahhhh

[NetNerdsRevenge]

and traded Chauncey Billups

I know nothing about basketball, but to me, it looks like a stupid move...

[somethingyellow]

danny ainge is a pretty shitty gm

[mikeford]

they aren't going to fire him because he isn't there to win games now, he's there to get the young players experience so that they can win in 2 or 3 years. with their cap situation, they aren't going to be able to build a championship caliber team through free agency, so they have to do it through drafting and developing talent. doc was brought in to put in a system that ainge wanted to run, and to develop the young players so that in a few years they can compete for a championship. if they were trying to go out there and win every game (which sounds counter intuitive) they would only play the veterans and guys like jefferson and west wouldn't get any minutes and thus would never improve. they would end up trading away the kids for veteran role players to maybe win a round or two in the playoffs and it would be the same situation that saw guys like ben wallace and chauncy billups leave to go on to be stars somewhere else. that being said, after 1 OT i didn't see why marcus banks wasn't in the game and then i could see bringing perkins and jefferson in for a minute here or there to give blount and scalabrine a rest.

HES NOT GIVING THE YOUNG KIDS EXPERIENCE WHEN HES PLAYING FUCKING BRIAN SCALABRINE INSTEAD OF HIM

THE ONLY KID HE PLAYS IS DELONTE WEST.

you obviously dont watch the celtics at all if youre defending this idiot.

[LeftWideOpen]

HES NOT GIVING THE YOUNG KIDS EXPERIENCE WHEN HES PLAYING FUCKING BRIAN SCALABRINE INSTEAD OF HIM

THE ONLY KID HE PLAYS IS DELONTE WEST.

you obviously dont watch the celtics at all if youre defending this idiot.

marcus banks > delonte west

at least in the potential department.

[mikeford]

marcus banks > delonte west

at least in the potential department.

have you ever watched marcus banks play?

banks also refused to take advice from GARY PAYTON last year.


so no. youre wrong.

[LeftWideOpen]

danny ainge is a pretty shitty gm

technically, chris wallace is the GM.

[somethingyellow]

technically, chris wallace is the GM. didnt know that cuz i could give a shit about the celtics, i just hear danny ainge always talked about with them

[LeftWideOpen]

have you ever watched marcus banks play?

banks also refused to take advice from GARY PAYTON last year.


so no. youre wrong.

Banks is one of the Celtics best defenders and could lead the league in steals with full-time duty. Delonte is playing pretty good right now but Banks ceiling is MUCH higher. Banks needs to work on making better decisions with the ball, but he was finally starting to turn it around in December until Doc decided he didnt deserve any more minutes. Doc just likes to play his guys and Banks is in his doghouse.

[LeftWideOpen]

didnt know that cuz i could give a shit about the celtics, i just hear danny ainge always talked about with them

Nah you're pretty much right ..Ainge pulls the strings.

[Caleb Cattivera]

the funny thing is, when ainge hired doc...paul westphal was the other person in the running for the job. i think westphal would've been a much better coach. he was 267 and 159 in the regular season, and led the suns to the finals in 93 and was 27 and 22 in the playoffs. better records than doc in both categories.

and not that it matters, but ill say it anyways, he was twice the player doc rivers was too.

[mikeford]

marcus banks is your typical "i dont care about playing the game of basketball" player in the NBA now.

delonte CARES about the team. delonte dives on the floor and gets hurt for the team.

that type of shit isnt measured in a box score.

[mikeford]

the funny thing is, when ainge hired doc...paul westphal was the other person in the running for the job. i think westphal would've been a much better coach. he was 267 and 159 in the regular season, and led the suns to the finals in 93 and was 27 and 22 in the playoffs. better records than doc in both categories.

and not that it matters, but ill say it anyways, he was twice the player doc rivers was too.

when doc rivers gets fired the top 3 candidates for the job are

paul westphal #44
dennis johnson #3
dave cowens #18

[Caleb Cattivera]

when doc rivers gets fired the top 3 candidates for the job are

paul westphal #44
dennis johnson #3
dave cowens #18

yeah, id definately go with westphal...cowens had a couple of good seasons with the hornets, but i dont think he can be a good coach.

[mikeford]

id love to have all 3 honestly. fire everybody else... westphal is the head, the other two are assistants.

imagine dave cowens teaching al jefferson and kendrick perkins how to rebound?

scary.

[mikeford]

''We gave away so many opportunities with the [26] turnovers," said Rivers. ''They didn't score on them, but they took us out of scoring. I thought we played so passive in all three of the overtimes once we got the lead. We were trying to hold on to the lead instead of being aggressive. We made some plays where we've got to be a smarter team."

OKAY DOC... IF THE TEAM PLAYED PASSIVE, MAYBE YOU SHOUDLVE TRIED TO PUT SOMEONE NEW ON THE FUCKING COURT.

GOD YOU SUCK.

[yeat182]

it isnt even the win/loss thing that bothers me about doc ..it's that he has absolutely no pattern to how he plays his people. marcus banks was showing GREAT progress until all of a sudden his minutes dropped at the beginning of the year for no apparent reason ...this guy was a lottery pick who we heavily invested in and now hes spending the majority of games on the bench.

i seriously would take rick pitino back in a heartbeat over doc ...and i would consider m.l carr over him too. doc belongs in the broadcast booth.


i agree that i can't figure out why doc doesn't play some people, i thought banks should have been playing in overtime, he is probably the fastest guy on the court (maybe AI) and with fresh legs he would have been valuable. but i don't think doc should be fired over it.

i would never take pitino back.

[yeat182]

haha...wasn't ml carr the worst of the worst

ML Carr lost on purpose to get a high lottery pick (they wanted duncan, but got pierce instead.)

[yeat182]

we COULD win right now though. we could make the playoffs with the right coach. with pierce and davis, that's more than enough to win the atlantic. and west, jefferson, allen, banks, and perkins, although young, are very very good players who help out tremendously, but are ultimately banks, allen, perkins and jefferson are not played enough because raef, blount, and lately scalabrine are eating up minutes. it's very frustrating because we have a good team. and continuing losing to get a high draft pick, in my opinion, will do close to nothing. we have a foundation for years to come with west, jefferson, possibly allen or banks, perkins and gerald green. this team is ready to win now. we lose pretty much every game regardless of who we're playing by 1 or 2, we're keeping up with everyone, but it's turnovers and coaching errors that aren't getting us past the hump.

we could make the playoffs but we're gonna get bounced in the first or second round every year. it was the same under jim o'brien. they are never going to be a championship team if they keep up what they were doing, trading the future of a couple of vetran role players. they were never going to compete with the best teams in the west, and now there is no way they could compete with Detroit or Miami. Every championship team needs at least 2 superstars, and the celts have 1. (1.5 if you want to count walker in the past). the way the cap is set up, and the way the celts fit into it, they are never going to be able to acquire another veteran superstar in free agency. they need a big man, and they can't pick one up, so they have to develop one, ie. al jefferson. if he can become a superstar, which many believe he can be, then we have the building blocks for a championship team.

the team is not ready to win now, the players you named aren't experience enough to win now. they could win the atlantic by virtue of it being a poor division, but they won't advance in the playoffs. to win now they would have to play their veterans and then that shuts down any deveolpment the young players might gain over the course of the season. its pretty well established that unless you are a rare player, its going to take you approximately 3 years to develop, especially someone like jefferson who came straight out of high school, so this is going to take time. of course it is made very difficult because the celtics to have to try and balance winning and getting the youth the experience they need. if they don't win, they don't sell tickets, and they don't make money, but in the long run it will be better for the team, if they don't play the young kids, they get to the playoffs as a low seed, lose in the first round, and get a bad draft pick. with some of the contracts they have on the books, they can't afford to pick up any significant help in the off season, either, so a poor season, gives the fans nothing to root for. its tough, and that is why they have told Doc his job is safe, this is what they want to do, they want to build for the future, even if that means sacraficing the present, but they want to play an up tempo and exciting style of basketball, so that that it will fun to watch.

[yeat182]

HES NOT GIVING THE YOUNG KIDS EXPERIENCE WHEN HES PLAYING FUCKING BRIAN SCALABRINE INSTEAD OF HIM

THE ONLY KID HE PLAYS IS DELONTE WEST.

you obviously dont watch the celtics at all if youre defending this idiot.

you obviously don't follow the celtics at all if you don't already know all of this.

[yeat182]

the funny thing is, when ainge hired doc...paul westphal was the other person in the running for the job. i think westphal would've been a much better coach. he was 267 and 159 in the regular season, and led the suns to the finals in 93 and was 27 and 22 in the playoffs. better records than doc in both categories.

and not that it matters, but ill say it anyways, he was twice the player doc rivers was too.

they wanted doc because he was going to bring the sacremento style of fast paced basketball to boston, and he did a decent job of developing the young players in orlando.

[mikeford]

dude.

stop.

[Caleb Cattivera]

they wanted doc because he was going to bring the sacremento style of fast paced basketball to boston, and he did a decent job of developing the young players in orlando.

when you hire a head coach you want that coach to be great...not decent...doc rivers is great at being a horrible coach.

he didnt really help anyone develop in orlando...he had ben wallace on his team. played him maybe 20 mins a game and let john fucking amachei finish the games. wallace leaves orlando, goes to detroit and averages 14 rpg. he had corey maggette on his bench and played him 15 mpg, never giving him a chance to work on his game. the only player he arguably helped was mike miller...he let superstars rot on his bench.

why he wont the coach of the year award, ill never know. its not like the magic improved any from the previous year, they went from first in the atlantic in 99 to 4th in the atlantic in 2000.

i agree with mikeford put doc in a broadcast booth, get his sorry ass off the sidelines.

hey mike, im going to contact the c's and get you that head coaching position.

[LeftWideOpen]

when you hire a head coach you want that coach to be great...not decent...doc rivers is great at being a horrible coach.

he didnt really help anyone develop in orlando...he had ben wallace on his team. played him maybe 20 mins a game and let john fucking amachei finish the games. wallace leaves orlando, goes to detroit and averages 14 rpg. he had corey maggette on his bench and played him 15 mpg, never giving him a chance to work on his game. the only player he arguably helped was mike miller...he let superstars rot on his bench.

why he wont the coach of the year award, ill never know. its not like the magic improved any from the previous year, they went from first in the atlantic in 99 to 4th in the atlantic in 2000.

i agree with mikeford put doc in a broadcast booth, get his sorry ass off the sidelines.

hey mike, im going to contact the c's and get you that head coaching position.

hey now ..lets give credit where credit is due ..i suggested doc return to the broadcast booth.

haha.

[mikeford]

i may be interning with the celtics next year, instead of the twolves, caleb.

ill make sure to punch danny ainge in the head.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i may be interning with the celtics next year, instead of the twolves, caleb.

ill make sure to punch danny ainge in the head.

hahaha. do it. and send me pictures. you know mike, we disagree alot, but we agreed on something for once...maybe this really means the doc rivers era is coming to an end...there has to be some mind power coming from this agreement...

leftwideopen...sorry duder.

[Doug]

youre from boston and like the seahawks?

yes i was born in seattle. and i'm a pats fan cause i moved here when i was eleven. it's a rare exception of liking two teams that i can accept. had it been a pats-hawks super bowl, i would have cheered for the pats.

[Doug]

we could make the playoffs but we're gonna get bounced in the first or second round every year. it was the same under jim o'brien. they are never going to be a championship team if they keep up what they were doing, trading the future of a couple of vetran role players. they were never going to compete with the best teams in the west, and now there is no way they could compete with Detroit or Miami. Every championship team needs at least 2 superstars, and the celts have 1. (1.5 if you want to count walker in the past). the way the cap is set up, and the way the celts fit into it, they are never going to be able to acquire another veteran superstar in free agency. they need a big man, and they can't pick one up, so they have to develop one, ie. al jefferson. if he can become a superstar, which many believe he can be, then we have the building blocks for a championship team.

the team is not ready to win now, the players you named aren't experience enough to win now. they could win the atlantic by virtue of it being a poor division, but they won't advance in the playoffs. to win now they would have to play their veterans and then that shuts down any deveolpment the young players might gain over the course of the season. its pretty well established that unless you are a rare player, its going to take you approximately 3 years to develop, especially someone like jefferson who came straight out of high school, so this is going to take time. of course it is made very difficult because the celtics to have to try and balance winning and getting the youth the experience they need. if they don't win, they don't sell tickets, and they don't make money, but in the long run it will be better for the team, if they don't play the young kids, they get to the playoffs as a low seed, lose in the first round, and get a bad draft pick. with some of the contracts they have on the books, they can't afford to pick up any significant help in the off season, either, so a poor season, gives the fans nothing to root for. its tough, and that is why they have told Doc his job is safe, this is what they want to do, they want to build for the future, even if that means sacraficing the present, but they want to play an up tempo and exciting style of basketball, so that that it will fun to watch.

ok where to start? first off, i forgot who said this, but marcus banks is not better than deltonte west nor does he have more potential, just because he was a higher pick doesn't make him have more potential to be a great player. there's a reason that west is starting in his 2nd season over banks in his 3rd. banks is really fast and can barely dribble. ok cool, next. believe me, it's depressing that he was a lottery pick point guard who will never be better than a guy who can come off the bench to accelerate the game.



ok, now. i'm not sure if you understood what i was saying. i'm saying the celtics can win by playing their young players with a better coach. established? best of all worlds, playing the young guys to get them better, check, winning, what a franchise should try to do above all else, check, getting a better coach than doc rivers.

now, evidence that the celtics can win without trading for veterans and by playing their young guys (west, jefferson, perk, allen, banks) the celtics have lost eleven games by four points or less. that's unbelieveable. with a better coach, this team could be 25-11. now, any little change could make us win those games rather than lose them and that little change is a different coach.

[yeat182]

ok where to start? first off, i forgot who said this, but marcus banks is not better than deltonte west nor does he have more potential, just because he was a higher pick doesn't make him have more potential to be a great player. there's a reason that west is starting in his 2nd season over banks in his 3rd. banks is really fast and can barely dribble. ok cool, next. believe me, it's depressing that he was a lottery pick point guard who will never be better than a guy who can come off the bench to accelerate the game.



ok, now. i'm not sure if you understood what i was saying. i'm saying the celtics can win by playing their young players with a better coach. established? best of all worlds, playing the young guys to get them better, check, winning, what a franchise should try to do above all else, check, getting a better coach than doc rivers.

now, evidence that the celtics can win without trading for veterans and by playing their young guys (west, jefferson, perk, allen, banks) the celtics have lost eleven games by four points or less. that's unbelieveable. with a better coach, this team could be 25-11. now, any little change could make us win those games rather than lose them and that little change is a different coach.

listen, i'm not saying Doc has done everything right, i'm just saying, he isn't going to be fired becuase he's doing what the organization brought him here to do. i'm not saying its right, wrong or otherwise, i'm just saying, he isn't going to be fired, so there is no point in bitching about it. he wasn't brought here to win this year, so him not winning isn't going to get him fired, simple as that. plus i don't think any coach is going to get a championship out of this team, they might make the playoffs, but they are just going to lose in the first round, they are too young, to inexpierenced and they don't have enough support for pierce.

also, didn't doc win coach of the year a few years back?

[Caleb Cattivera]

yeah but he didnt deserve it...AT ALL...the year before he won it the magic were first in the atlantic...when he won it...they were FOURTH...one year later...totally didnt deserve it.

[yeat182]

yeah but he didnt deserve it...AT ALL...the year before he won it the magic were first in the atlantic...when he won it...they were FOURTH...one year later...totally didnt deserve it.

who did they lose though, in that offseason?

[yeat182]

they had 11 players on that team with less than 3 years experience, which is why he's been brought in to boston.

[mikeford]

HES NOT DOING WHAT HE WAS BROUGHT HERE TO DO
HE DOESNT PLAY THE KIDS

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING DOC FUCKING RIVERS

jesus fucking tap dancing christ youre a dolt.

[yeat182]

HES NOT DOING WHAT HE WAS BROUGHT HERE TO DO
HE DOESNT PLAY THE KIDS

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING DOC FUCKING RIVERS

jesus fucking tap dancing christ youre a dolt.

how many ways do i have to say it:

listen, i'm not saying Doc has done everything right, i'm just saying, he isn't going to be fired becuase he's doing what the organization brought him here to do. i'm not saying its right, wrong or otherwise, i'm just saying, he isn't going to be fired, so there is no point in bitching about it

[mikeford]

dude. youre wrong. hes NOT doing what he was brought here to do, unless he was brought here to LOSE and develop NO ONE.

he most certainly WILL be fired by seasons end.

[Emopunkthrice]

dude. youre wrong. hes NOT doing what he was brought here to do, unless he was brought here to LOSE and develop NO ONE.

he most certainly WILL be fired by seasons end.
how come you don't apply for the coaching job, no joke.

[mikeford]

how come you don't apply for the coaching job, no joke.

well you cant apply for a job thats not open, can you?

[Emopunkthrice]

well you cant apply for a job thats not open, can you?
yeahhh I know my asshole friend did this while I was taking a crap, whats the celts record btw

[yeat182]

dude. youre wrong. hes NOT doing what he was brought here to do, unless he was brought here to LOSE and develop NO ONE.

he most certainly WILL be fired by seasons end.

he's NOT going to be fired, so stop bitching about it.

[LeftWideOpen]

i think doc finishes the season and then gets the axe right after. I'd like to see him go now because he is obviously doesnt deserve an NBA job, but he's Ainge's guy. He'll finish the season.