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[YouMadeTheScene]

Ok I would just like to hear a reason as to why people really hate the yankees. I'd like to keep the conversation civil in all of this.

I've heard many times because they ruin baseball. Well if you are a Kansas City Royals fan fine, I guess you can say that. They are a big market team who sign a lot of big time players, but the players also want to go there. In the past years it has been shown that you can beat the Yankees. Small market teams should blame their own teams for not developing talent. Kansas City have highed many chances to develop talent over the past years, and have yet to come out. Same goes for many of the bottom of the barrel teams in baseball. Develop your talent, blame your teams, but why blame the yankees when many teams like Texas, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, LA, NYM, and the Angels do the same thing by throwing big money at players.

I've also heard they are so dominant that it ruins baseball. They haven't won the series in 5 years. The won 4 in 5 years from 96 to 2000 but previous to that hadn' won a Series since 77 and 78 and before 77 hadn't won since 62. That really isn't completely dominant. Teams like the Braves, Angels, and Boston are just as dominatn in terms of always being in the playoffs but no one gets on them for that.

I've also heard they sign players and just stock them away, Like who? I don't want to hear Jose Canseco, because he wasn't even an impact player then. The Yankees sign players and they don't work out and they bench them. Most recently we've seen Pavano and Wright not work out. What is the difference between them and Chan Ho Park in Texas and Sidney Ponson in Baltimore. No one makes a big deal about that. And the A-Rod contract, well that contract was made by Texas not the Yankees. And other teams attempted to get A-Rod as well the Yankees just ended up with them. If the yankees have bad contracts why is that anyones problem but Yankee fans?

To me it just seems like people seem to pick on the Yanks for no apparent reason. I mean you can dislike them that is fine but people say they ruin baseball and so on and I don't see it. They do something many teams do they just put more money towards it which hurts no one but Yankee fans.

So please feel free to provide debate. Keep it friendly and I'm sure this could be interesting

[mat1419]

this has already been done to death before. very simple. i hate them because they are the easiest team to like, just like notre dame and the dallas cowboys. when i was a kid, everyone liked the yankees so i hated them.

you just said, "they haven't won a world series in 5 years". when 5 years is a measuring stick of a losing streak for a franchise, the deck is definately stacked in their favor. i'm from philly and have never seen a major title come to the city so when i hear yankees fans say things like that, i hope you understand how easy it becomes to despise you.

[CROMagnon]

hating the yankees is just as much a part of baseball history as sharpened cleats and corked bats, it's going to happen

now, being a yankees fan (born and raised in the bronx, what did you expect?), i must say it is somewhat easy to like the yankees, but it is hard to get taken seriously by other fans, especially since people become yankee fans with no ties to the region and no other reason than they win all the time
those fairweather fans, sir, deserve to die the most miserable, unspeakable death available to mankind
they simply make the most intelligent of us seem like we just downed a bucket of paint thinner, and cause further hatred of not only the yankees, but their fans as well

[fromwithin]

because, in a town like pittsburgh, we hope every year to get players that wouldve been hot free agents for the yankees 5-10 years ago. we have probably the nicest stadium in MLB, but with no talent its really sad to go watch them lose all the time. there was hope when they were at .500 midway through the year last year, but if we had more money, like the yankees, we may have been able to pick someone up at the deadline. one good thing is ticket prices are low.

[underdawg1119]

Being a BoSox fan, I've always disliked them. Now, I'm not from Boston, so I really didn't hate them like all the Old-School Sox fans. When they beat the Braves in the '96 Series, I began to start hating them. But what made me become a hardcore full on Yankee hater was Aaron Boone's Homer in the '03 ALCS.
I guess basically buying an all-star team doesn't guarentee a trip to the series. (i.e. The amazing 2004 ALCS)

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I hate the Yankees, cause I had their fan base.

Everyone in NY complains when they don't win the World Series and bitch and complain and comtemplate firing everyone aboard. They're spoiled rotton brats.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I hate the Yankees, cause I had their fan base.

Everyone in NY complains when they don't win the World Series and bitch and complain and comtemplate firing everyone aboard. They're spoiled rotton brats.

That's a broad assumption. It's actually not true at all. The team complains. I think any fan base would be disappointed in losing if they are close though, it just get magnifies because it is the yankees.

And when I said they haven't won in 5 years I'm not calling it a losing streak I'm just saying that they clearly aren't as dominant as they are made out to be.

[bigmike]

Seeing as Derek Jeter is from my hometown, i've got to kind of root for him, much in the way I root for TJ Duckett (and soon Jerome Harrison from Washington State (RB) and Greg Jennings from Western Michigan (WR), both of who will be drafted into the NFL), but I do not root for their teams.
Simply, I do not like the Boston Red Sox or the New York Yankees because they're way to over exposed. the Media likes to make it seem like their the only two teams making off season personnel desicions as well as the only two teams in the American League. As a Tiger fan, I just don't care about Boston or NY enough to hear about each of their players everyday, throughout the entire calendar year.

Do I hate them because they buy the best players year in, year out? No, because my team, the Detroit Tigers could feasibly do somewhat the same (could have a top 5 payroll) as Mike Illitch could afford it, but we don't and players won't come here. We've tried over spending and it doesn't work. So I don't think the money solely buys the players, the tradition and franchise does have some play, as no one will take the money and run to detroit.

Except for Pudge, but you can take that shit head back off our team. Please.

[getupkid53]

I hate the fact that people want to go to the Yankee's because they will just throw millions more your way than any other team. Every year the yanks bring in 2 or 3 big deal makers and just get lost on a team of superstars. I also hate the absurd payroll they have (yes i understand boston's is growing exponentially). It ruins baseball for small market teams. The twins have the best farm system in baseball, but when their prized rookie contracts wear out, and after they've had a great season, the yanks will throw top dollar at them. It's not just the twins. The yanks pull the only superstars from many of these teams and leave them to rebuild around a farm system once again. I just think it stinks that smaller market teams don't have the compacity to pay players like the yanks (the bosox are in this too). It is also players greed that has gotten out of hand. There is no such thing as team loyalty in baseball. It's who can pay you the most. It's pretty sad. Baseball isn't fun anymore.

[weezer182]

i hate the yankees largely because of steinbrenner

[mikeford]

cuz fuck them, thats why.

[YouMadeTheScene]

See the one problem I have with the whole signing of big free agents thing is that many other teams do that every year, but they don't get the same wrap for it.

[Scott Weber]

See the one problem I have with the whole signing of big free agents thing is that many other teams do that every year, but they don't get the same wrap for it.
Other teams don't treat their players like the Yankees do. They show very little loyalty to their players, and everyone there knows that NY is a business, there's no loyalty. Prime example is when Tino Martinez had a fantastic year for the Yankees, they rewarded him by tossing a bunch of money at Jason Giambi (a supposed upgrade) and sent Tino packing. Tino is one of my favorite players and I just couldn't believe how they could do that. .280, 34 HRs, 113 RBI...yeah, real crappy year...time to upgrade. Fuck 'em. I hate how they block trades and obtain players just so nobody else can get them and them stick them on the bench. (Jeff Weaver, anyone?)

[bigmike]

See the one problem I have with the whole signing of big free agents thing is that many other teams do that every year, but they don't get the same wrap for it.

as a yankee hater, i know that it's more than just money that draws players to teams. with some it's just money, but with the majority it's the most money and the least sucky team.

the tigers throw money at people and they're like "hm... nope."

[YouMadeTheScene]

Other teams don't treat their players like the Yankees do. They show very little loyalty to their players, and everyone there knows that NY is a business, there's no loyalty. Prime example is when Tino Martinez had a fantastic year for the Yankees, they rewarded him by tossing a bunch of money at Jason Giambi (a supposed upgrade) and sent Tino packing. Tino is one of my favorite players and I just couldn't believe how they could do that. .280, 34 HRs, 113 RBI...yeah, real crappy year...time to upgrade. Fuck 'em. I hate how they block trades and obtain players just so nobody else can get them and them stick them on the bench. (Jeff Weaver, anyone?)

Giambi, who was the MVP, said he wanted to go to the yankees. If your team is the number one option for the MVP of baseball why wouldn't you do that? And they didn't stick Weaver on the bench. He didn't pitch well for them so they took him out of the Starting Rotation.

[Scott Weber]

Giambi, who was the MVP, said he wanted to go to the yankees. If your team is the number one option for the MVP of baseball why wouldn't you do that? And they didn't stick Weaver on the bench. He didn't pitch well for them so they took him out of the Starting Rotation.
They didn't need Weaver, the guy is a 1 or 2 starter on most teams, and they picked him up for a 5th starter, long relief. When he didn't perform, he was benched. He barely pitched. As far as Giambi goes, the reason he went with the Yankees was because they offered him the most money, and they offered him a contract for a position they already had filled, and more than adequetly at that.

[YouMadeTheScene]

They didn't need Weaver, the guy is a 1 or 2 starter on most teams, and they picked him up for a 5th starter, long relief. When he didn't perform, he was benched. He barely pitched. As far as Giambi goes, the reason he went with the Yankees was because they offered him the most money, and they offered him a contract for a position they already had filled, and more than adequetly at that.

They traded for him during the season to be a boost to the rotation. Then he started the next season as a 5th starter and failed at it. And he isn't a one or two starter as he's shown since he left. He is a lifetime sub 500 starter and a near 4.5 ERA.

And Giambi approached the Yankees first. Then they gave him that offer. Tino's contract ran out, why wouldn't you improve if you had the chance? Ecspecially for the MTV.

I'd like to see an example outside of Weaver on the putting the guy on the bench thing.

[commatosa]

my story is unique....back when the mariners tied the major league record for most wins in the regular season (116), they met the yankees in the ALCS. The yankees eliminated them. And as you all know I'm a pretty big fanatic of my teams. My hatred spawned from there and I became a red sox fan shortly there after because they are arch-rivals. Well the yankees eliminated the red sox a couple seasons later in the ALCS (aaron boone's series winning home run). But I don't hate them as much since the red sox handed them the greatest comeback in sports history.

[Scott Weber]

Do I really have to tell you? Think about all the insane mid-year aquisitions the Yankees have made, signing players nobody else can afford, when failing franchises dump their players off in midseason fire sales, the Yankees are always there to pick up the pieces, it's greed, it's disgusting...Jon Olerud gets released, the Yankees sign him in an instant, it happens every season, it's so obnoxious. You know the minute anybody decent gets released, the Yankees will throw a huge paycheck at him and take him away, whether he plays or not. I read some bullshit about your A-Rod logic too. Don't give me that. The reason he's in pinstripes is because no other team has the budget to keep him. Hell, his contract fucked Texas so much that they were losing money as a result. The Yankees budget is out of control and it's just an uneven playing field. It's sad that Boston had to turn into a mini-NY (still like 70 million less in salaries, I believe) to even compete.

[unwritten]

I hate the Yankees, cause I had their fan base.

Everyone in NY complains when they don't win the World Series and bitch and complain and comtemplate firing everyone aboard. They're spoiled rotton brats.

Lets not generalize.

[bigmike]

They traded for him during the season to be a boost to the rotation. Then he started the next season as a 5th starter and failed at it. And he isn't a one or two starter as he's shown since he left. He is a lifetime sub 500 starter and a near 4.5 ERA.

And Giambi approached the Yankees first. Then they gave him that offer. Tino's contract ran out, why wouldn't you improve if you had the chance? Ecspecially for the MTV.

I'd like to see an example outside of Weaver on the putting the guy on the bench thing.

Jeff Weaver had #1 or 2 stuff when he was here in Detroit. but when he was traded he lost his edge and thus, leaves too many fastballs over the middle of the plate instead of burying them inside, like he used to do here in the D.

[CROMagnon]

it seems that the hatred here isn't directed so much at the team but at the front office

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Ok I would just like to hear a reason as to why people really hate the yankees. I'd like to keep the conversation civil in all of this.
I'm a Boston fan through and through.

I've heard many times because they ruin baseball. Well if you are a Kansas City Royals fan fine, I guess you can say that. They are a big market team who sign a lot of big time players, but the players also want to go there. In the past years it has been shown that you can beat the Yankees. Small market teams should blame their own teams for not developing talent. Kansas City have highed many chances to develop talent over the past years, and have yet to come out. Same goes for many of the bottom of the barrel teams in baseball. Develop your talent, blame your teams, but why blame the yankees when many teams like Texas, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, LA, NYM, and the Angels do the same thing by throwing big money at players.
I dont think its as much as the players want to go there, as it is the money they get by going there. In this day and age, money talks. Also, those teams may spend money, but its not at the rate (ok the Mets, ya) as the Yankees. These teams have the money to spend, but they dont sign every type A free agent on the market. I think thats where the line is drawn. The fact that the yankers field an all-star at almost every position to the 3-4 the other teams possibly field.

I've also heard they are so dominant that it ruins baseball. They haven't won the series in 5 years. The won 4 in 5 years from 96 to 2000 but previous to that hadn' won a Series since 77 and 78 and before 77 hadn't won since 62. That really isn't completely dominant. Teams like the Braves, Angels, and Boston are just as dominatn in terms of always being in the playoffs but no one gets on them for that.
I dont think dominant really means world series wins. As you said so yourself, other teams get into the playoffs a lot as well. Its just that it usually has been all Yankees, all the time. (not the 80's). Also, despite not winning in the last 5 years, they have always been right there. I mean look, 01--world seires. 03--world series. 04--ALCS. 02, and 05, playoffs. Thats more than the Braves, Angels, and Red Sox can say for themselves.

If the yankees have bad contracts why is that anyones problem but Yankee fans?
Well, for the people who dislike the yankees, its comforting to know they have terrible contracts which will one day catch up to them. Even though revenue runs on a river through yankee stadium, they cannot avoid bad contracts for ever. Thats why people like it, because if they dont stop, it’ll come back to haunt them.

To me it just seems like people seem to pick on the Yanks for no apparent reason. I mean you can dislike them that is fine but people say they ruin baseball and so on and I don't see it. They do something many teams do they just put more money towards it which hurts no one but Yankee fans.
Well of course you wouldn't see it. Most people find it hard to see faults in things they are passionate about. But, what if you were, as you said, a Royals fan. you wouldn't be happy with the Yankees if you saw them grabbing tons of impact players while you sat and did nothing. Its probably not justified, as the Royals are just a terrible organizations, but you could see where they would come from.

And why does this get play, but my defensive statistics doesn’t? It wasn't that hard to understand. RAA is a defense metric, + being good and - being bad....oh well.

So please feel free to provide debate. Keep it friendly and I'm sure this could be interesting[/QUOTE]

[richter915]

a lot of people here are pretty much saying they hate it cause the yankees buy players...

since when is the the team's fault? I don't know much about baseball but I follow hockey and being a fan of the Rangers, I know how it is to get shit cause you support the richest team in a sport...but they're just doing what your team would do if they had the money. Like it was said earlier, many players come to NY cause they'd rather play in NY than other cities...is that the yankees fault? no.

[Scott Weber]

a lot of people here are pretty much saying they hate it cause the yankees buy players...

since when is the the team's fault? I don't know much about baseball but I follow hockey and being a fan of the Rangers, I know how it is to get shit cause you support the richest team in a sport...but they're just doing what your team would do if they had the money. Like it was said earlier, many players come to NY cause they'd rather play in NY than other cities...is that the yankees fault? no.
It's not about fault, it's about hatred. It's about having a higher budget than any other team. It's about buying the best players, year after year. It's about having no loyalty to your players. It's the front office that ruins the game. Are the fans at fault? No. But like I said, who cares about "fault" - the problems exist and the reasons are justified.

[selftitled85]

Other teams don't treat their players like the Yankees do. They show very little loyalty to their players, and everyone there knows that NY is a business, there's no loyalty. Prime example is when Tino Martinez had a fantastic year for the Yankees, they rewarded him by tossing a bunch of money at Jason Giambi (a supposed upgrade) and sent Tino packing. Tino is one of my favorite players and I just couldn't believe how they could do that. .280, 34 HRs, 113 RBI...yeah, real crappy year...time to upgrade. Fuck 'em. I hate how they block trades and obtain players just so nobody else can get them and them stick them on the bench. (Jeff Weaver, anyone?)

jeff weaver was awful.

he still is awful.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

a lot of people here are pretty much saying they hate it cause the yankees buy players...

since when is the the team's fault? I don't know much about baseball but I follow hockey and being a fan of the Rangers, I know how it is to get shit cause you support the richest team in a sport...but they're just doing what your team would do if they had the money. Like it was said earlier, many players come to NY cause they'd rather play in NY than other cities...is that the yankees fault? no.
But how much of their willingness to play in NY is because of the Money they're getting? I think Damon is a great example. From what I have read in the media, Damon wanted to stay in Boston initially, but when Boston would not move from their offer, he moved on....to more money.

can you blame the yanks? no, they’re not breaking rules or forcing anyone to play. can you hate (very much dislike) them for it? sure.

[bigmike]

But how much of their willingness to play in NY is because of the Money they're getting? I think Damon is a great example. From what I have read in the media, Damon wanted to stay in Boston initially, but when Boston would not move from their offer, he moved on....to more money.

can you blame the yanks? no, they’re not breaking rules or forcing anyone to play. can you hate (very much dislike) them for it? sure.

the tigers throw money at players, and they're not lining up to put on the tiger jersey.

I think your tradition, committment to winning, and excellence has more to do with it than people think.

[Scott Weber]

jeff weaver was awful.

he still is awful.
By Yankee standards, right? God. The fucking ignorance. He's been a huge part of LA's rotation for 2 years now, he's consistent and he gives clubs solid innings. I'd hardly call going 14-11 "awful." He's a solid #2 or 3 starter on most clubs in the majors. Go buy some more pitchers to add to your staff. God, I hate the Yankees and their fans with such a passion. Spoiled fucking brats that can't see outside their own city bubble. Try rooting for a team that's NEVER succesful. Or sees all their stars abandon ship for more money. Try being a Mariners fan and watching your stars sell out for other teams, like A-Rod and Randy. "We only won like 1 title in the past 6 years." Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The Mariners haven't even been to a World Series.

[somethingyellow]

By Yankee standards, right? God. The fucking ignorance. He's been a huge part of LA's rotation for 2 years now, he's consistent and he gives clubs solid innings. I'd hardly call going 14-11 "awful." He's a solid #2 or 3 starter on most clubs in the majors. Go buy some more pitchers to add to your staff. God, I hate the Yankees and their fans with such a passion. Spoiled fucking brats that can't see outside their own city bubble. perfectly said. i can't stand steinbrener at all. Shows almost no loyality to any of his players or coaches. i love seeing them fail

[NetNerdsRevenge]

the tigers throw money at players, and they're not lining up to put on the tiger jersey.

I think your tradition, committment to winning, and excellence has more to do with it than people think.
No doubt the Yanks carry a certain reputation, but to think all that out weighs the size of your contract is, in my opinion, being ignorant. If they stopped handing out big money; tradition, commitment to winning, and excellence, would lose some of its value.

[bigmike]

perfectly said. i can't stand steinbrener at all. Shows almost no loyality to any of his players or coaches. i love seeing them fail

because players show loyalty to their teams?

the loyalty argument for either side, management or players, isn't allowed. loyalty in sports=non existent.

[bigmike]

No doubt the Yanks carry a certain reputation, but to think all that out weighs the size of your contract is, in my opinion, being ignorant. If they stopped handing out big money; tradition, commitment to winning, and excellence, would lose some of its value.

i didn't say that it outweighed the fact that they're getting 600 million from the yankees.
however, it's not money alone that's working in their favor, or else the tigers would have reloaded, too.

[bigmike]

By Yankee standards, right? God. The fucking ignorance. He's been a huge part of LA's rotation for 2 years now, he's consistent and he gives clubs solid innings. I'd hardly call going 14-11 "awful." He's a solid #2 or 3 starter on most clubs in the majors. Go buy some more pitchers to add to your staff. God, I hate the Yankees and their fans with such a passion. Spoiled fucking brats that can't see outside their own city bubble. Try rooting for a team that's NEVER succesful. Or sees all their stars abandon ship for more money. Try being a Mariners fan and watching your stars sell out for other teams, like A-Rod and Randy. "We only won like 1 title in the past 6 years." Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The Mariners haven't even been to a World Series.

he was a very good pitcher for the final 2 years here in Detroit, too. (by tiger standards).
he was filthy with his fastballs that break everywhere. but, after being traded in that three team deal to the yankees i think he lost his edge. i didn't seem him pitch inside much or knock people down, like he did in detroit.

[somethingyellow]

because players show loyalty to their teams?

the loyalty argument for either side, management or players, isn't allowed. loyalty in sports=non existent. actually, they're players and coaches who have shown loyality

[bigmike]

actually, they're players and coaches who have shown loyality

right. and these people make up the majority of professional athletes/coaches? no.

[somethingyellow]

right. and these people make up the majority of professional athletes/coaches? no.no they dont nor did i say they did, but you said it is non-existant in sports which isn't the case

[Darren McLeod]

Two words. Salary Cap.

[Scott Weber]

no they dont nor did i say they did, but you said it is non-existant in sports which isn't the case
Yeah exactly, he was dead wrong in saying that.

[Scott Weber]

he was a very good pitcher for the final 2 years here in Detroit, too. (by tiger standards).
he was filthy with his fastballs that break everywhere. but, after being traded in that three team deal to the yankees i think he lost his edge. i didn't seem him pitch inside much or knock people down, like he did in detroit.
He's an even better pitcher in LA that he was in Detroit, although part of that may be the run support.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

i didn't say that it outweighed the fact that they're getting 600 million from the yankees.
however, it's not money alone that's working in their favor, or else the tigers would have reloaded, too.
But money is the deal breaker. Again, using Damon as an example, he could of had a nice 40 million + incentives contract, while also staying with a team committed to excellence and all that. Instead he chose to take more money. If the Yankees offered 4 years 35 million, which team do you think he would of played for in 2006?

Also, the Tigers have dished out some money. Ordonez, pudge, Young, and Bobby Higgingson (who ever that is) made good money in 05.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Two words. Salary Cap.
Why punish teams who have the ability to spend large amounts of money? Contracts are becoming massive these days, but if people are stupid enough to spend that kind of money, let them. You dont need 100 million to become a good team. You need a good system and baseball operations department. Oakland and Atlanta are great examples of teams who dont need to break the bank to become winners. MLB could work on the CBA to fix the size of contracts, but the MLBPA will never go through with it.

[bigmike]

But money is the deal breaker. Again, using Damon as an example, he could of had a nice 40 million + incentives contract, while also staying with a team committed to excellence and all that. Instead he chose to take more money. If the Yankees offered 4 years 35 million, which team do you think he would of played for in 2006?

Also, the Tigers have dished out some money. Ordonez, pudge, Young, and Bobby Higgingson (who ever that is) made good money in 05.

yes. however, Troy Glaus, Adrian Betre (thank god), Carl Pavano and others have all turned down high money contacts in detroit.

bobby higginson is a lackluster outfielder that likes to "play hard" by having limited defensive range and taking called third strikes.
which obviously equates to big money contract from detroit.

and he was hurt all last year, too.

[bigmike]

no they dont nor did i say they did, but you said it is non-existant in sports which isn't the case

yeah, my fault. poor choice of wording.

[bigmike]

He's an even better pitcher in LA that he was in Detroit, although part of that may be the run support.

yeah, the run support helps him.

[G-Unit]

cause here at the yankees, were better than you...and we know it

[NetNerdsRevenge]

yes. however, Troy Glaus, Adrian Betre (thank god), Carl Pavano and others have all turned down high money contacts in detroit.
Well, the Tigers are really an exception. I mean, look at teams like the Orioles, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Mariners, Rangers, Diamondbacks (not anymore), etc. who have recently overpaid for players. Most of these teams don't carry the same prestige as the Yankees or even Red Sox do, but the money they throw out is what brings in the players.

however, this is getting off topic.

[bigmike]

Well, the Tigers are really an exception. I mean, look at teams like the Orioles, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Mariners, Rangers, Diamondbacks (not anymore), etc. who have recently overpaid for players. Most of these teams don't carry the same prestige as the Yankees or even Red Sox do, but the money they throw out is what brings in the players.

however, this is getting off topic.

yea, i see your point.
and this is off topic. but i wasn't trying to down play the role of money so much as bring up that it's not always just the money.
and if you look, the dodgers, never lose 119 games, nor do the blue jays, orioles, mariner, or rangers.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

well, holding the record for most loses in a single season doesn't help, ill give you that.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Signing Players- Ok so basically what a lot of people saying (Scott) is that the yankees should just not sign players even if they want to if they feel they need help in that area. It is tough to think of in my mind more than maybe 2 times that they signed the player without needing the help in that area. And as for mid-season trades, they have always been for need. Relief, 3rd Basement, Utility. And trades go both ways. They aren't signing those guys. And Boston and the Mets both could have made that deal for A-Rod but didn't. So it isn't true that the Yankees weren't the only ones.

Loyalty- Couple names for you. Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry, Donnie Mattingly, Paul O'Neil, Willie Randolph, Yoggi Berra, Bernie Williams, Dave Righetti, Mel Stottlemyre, Luis Sojo, Lee Mazzilli, Ron Guidry, Reggie Jackson, Joe Girardi

Those are just a small list of guys that the yankees have shown a ton of loyalty to. Gooden and Strawberry have always been two guys that George has reached out to and tried to help time and time again. Donnie was offered a coaching job and everything he could in his time with the yankees. He left on his own terms and the team even tried to beg him to stay because of LOYALTY. Paul O'Neil was basically given everything by the yankees and will have a job out of the Announcers booth sonner than latter. Willie Randolph was kept with the team for years and was being groomed as Torre's successor. Yogi Berra is still and advisor to the team to this day. Bernie Williams was given another contact by the yankees out of loyalty. Dave Righetti has been on and off with the team in terms of working for years and Steinbrenner loves him. He was offered the job before Guidry, another former yankee, took it. Mel, who I know he hated George, should've been out of a job a couple years ago but even with George's harassment he kept him there. Luis Sojo, was given numerous jobs and was with the team as a utility guy for years. Got screwed this year but he was a terrible 3rd Base Coach. Lee Mazzili, left the team and was offered to comeback again showing a ton of loyalty to the guy. Joe Girardi was promised a coaching position the day he left playing with the yankees and was kept around as long as he could. And Reggie Jackson with many other former players are advisors and employed by the yankees. The Yankees may be the most loyal team to former players in baseball. They have never released a player for another player. They remain loyal to many players, and it is very common to say yankee players have several stints with the team. So loyalty is a big pile of bull shit.

I agree with what someone said in I can't say it because of my passion. I do see why people would dislike the team. They are a powerhouse. But as someone else said from the 80's through the mid 90's they weren't at all. They made the playoffs here and there but they were far from a powerhouse. And remember that even back then people wanted to come to the yankees.

Does money have a lot to do with people signing to the yankees? yes of course. But does the idea of being with basically the most welll known sports franchise in the world have something to do with it too? Of course.

What I am saying is that there are a lot of misconceptions I feel like with the team. If you are a serious yankee fan I think you tend to see and hear a lot of things people don't see. I think it is crazy to say though that they just randomly sign any player they get. They sign and trade for need.Do they spend the most money on it? Probably. But like I said many many other teams do the same things the yankees do.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I think this is a lot of whining for no real reason. It’s apparent everyone on this board has strong dislikes and likes, which they are hard pressed to budge from. It seems to me that you are trying to prove a point that is pointless. Maybe we should focus on the player rather than the team more often. Things like this do not help make the sports forum what it is. Its the discussions we have which make it a fun place to visit.

accept the fact that some people don't like the Yankees and move on.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I think this is a lot of whining for no real reason. It’s apparent everyone on this board has strong dislikes and likes, which they are hard pressed to budge from. It seems to me that you are trying to prove a point that is pointless. Maybe we should focus on the player rather than the team more often. Things like this do not help make the sports forum what it is. Its the discussions we have which make it a fun place to visit.

accept the fact that some people don't like the Yankees and move on.

I accept it completly. And it really isn't whining at all. I am simply just trying to get a legit reason. It's hard to sit and see your favorite team get bashed and when looking at it there are for the most part no real reasons behind it. but whatever.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I accept it completly. And it really isn't whining at all. I am simply just trying to get a legit reason. It's hard to sit and see your favorite team get bashed and when looking at it there are for the most part no real reasons behind it. but whatever.
Just understand that some of it is blind ignorant hate, and some of it is for legitimate reasons (which vary). You happen to like the most successful franchise is sports history, and with that comes a lot of distaste. I think people have outlined their reasons for "hating" the Yanks, but you or someone else thinks their reasoning is absurd. Its something that will continue to go in circles.

[Scott Weber]

I accept it completly. And it really isn't whining at all. I am simply just trying to get a legit reason. It's hard to sit and see your favorite team get bashed and when looking at it there are for the most part no real reasons behind it. but whatever.
You seriously can't see it from an outsiders view? Wow, dude. Wow.

[deadandgone]

If you take anything from this thread, let it be this: Weber owns......

[bigmike]

If you take anything from this thread, let it be this: Weber owns......

he's been owning kids the past couple days in the sports forum. Especially in that "best center of all time" thread.

[Scott Weber]

he's been owning kids the past couple days in the sports forum. Especially in that "best center of all time" thread.
Get pwned!

[CROMagnon]

if you learn anything about baseball history, you learn to appreciate the yankees
not like, appreciate

while i agree that the new crop of fans is by and large a spoiled bunch, you have to respect a team which has done so much for baseball throughout the years as the yankees have done
they have, for the longest time, been among the most recognizable "ambassadors" for american professional sports

[NetNerdsRevenge]

He's an even better pitcher in LA that he was in Detroit, although part of that may be the run support.
actually, it was about the same. His ERA+ in Det. was 89, 111, and 109, to, 103 and 96 in LA. He pitched close to the same number of innings and gave up about the same number of hits. His most wins in a season was 14, which was last year....a year when the Dodgers scored 685 runs, the lowest for a team Weaver has been on. His 96 ERA+ is pretty much shitty, so you'd have to imagine it was run support which got him the 14 wins.

Ether way, I'll pass on Weaver.

[imirish06]

Because they're what everyone wants their favorite franchise to be.

[Anton Djamoos]

For me, there are three reasons.

1. Look at everything that Weebs said in this thread.

2. I am a Mets fan.

3. I live in NJ so I know all Yankee fans and they are the most fairweather fans in any sport. I could go longer into discussion about this but I don't feel it necessary because I assume everyone knows this by now. They lose in the playoffs and the fans freak out, most fans are thankful their team makes the playoffs.

[YouMadeTheScene]

You seriously can't see it from an outsiders view? Wow, dude. Wow.

I never said that. You took one post and said that. If you've read everything I've said I understand why people would dislike them but for the most part people hand out reasosn that really aren't truthful at all.