Rough Landing, Ryan

[Tony Pascarella]

I have posted my review (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=2434727) of Yellowcard's (http://www.yellowcardrock.com) upcoming album, Lights and Sounds here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=2434727). It is available on Capitol Records this Tuesday (January 24th). I'd love to hear what you all think about the review and the album. Due to the high volume of hits, this will be stickied until at least noon Eastern time. Please check out our other news after you read it.

[Darren McLeod]

omg negative review?!!!?!?!1

Great job, Tony.

[i like apples]

the opening guitar riff in "down on my head" reminds me of a song off the untitled blink 182 cd.

[PunkNews.Org]

i liked your approach to the review

i also like that you exposed them for the crap that they are

[siimpx]

ouch. i like what i've heard of this cd so far. so many people are going to bash this cd over the band politics & whatever happened with that guy that got kicked out. this cd is different from the last one...but it's really not that awful.

[charbear]

One of the worst albums i have ever heard. the lyrics are from a 3rd grader and the music just sucks. i liked yellowcard back in the one for the kids days but they continually get worse and worse

[CorporateFish]

I hope you get some feedback from the band..
I think it's good to see a review that doesn't praise an album for once.

[myARMISTICE]

FUCK YELLOWCARD they don't deserve attention....backstabing huge ego motherfuckers

[irthesteve]

there is no emotion in his voice anymore, it seems like he doesnt even care

[Tony Pascarella]

ouch. i like what i've heard of this cd so far. so many people are going to bash this cd over the band politics & whatever happened with that guy that got kicked out. this cd is different from the last one...but it's really not that awful.
I didn't bash them over band politics, though. I made mention of Ben Harper's absence (any reviewer worth their salt would give it at least a passing glance), but I didn't say I didn't like it because Ben is no longer in the band. Every group endures lineup changes at some point--it's how they do after those changes that shows what they're made of. I just think they could have done a bit better than they did.

[hbmmark]

Written poorly. People go to school for these kinds of things.

[One Bad Landing]

I can't stand it when record reviewers write in such a condescending manner.

[Gabe Gross]

I can't stand it when record reviewers write in such a condescending manner.

what? he covers his ass here...sorry you're an idiot

[splatoutofluck]

what? he covers his ass here...sorry you're an idiot

I think because you live in Bellingham and I live in Ellensburg that I'm not allowed to like you..Great review..

[cubz84]

i'm not a huge YC fan, but i like this record. it's better than i thought it would be.

[Gabe Gross]

I think because you live in Bellingham and I live in Ellensburg that I'm not allowed to like you..Great review..

i love ellensburg and i love you

[Tony Pascarella]

What I find really interesting is that I have yet to run across anyone who says honestly that this was a great album. Usually every CD has a few people like that (even if it's generally agreed that it's not very good), but I haven't seen the flat-out love.

[splatoutofluck]

i love ellensburg and i love you

lol..i think your swell as well...just wasnt sure how i was supposed act considerin the rivalry and all

[i like apples]

What I find really interesting is that I have yet to run across anyone who says honestly that this was a great album. Usually every CD has a few people like that (even if it's generally agreed that it's not very good), but I haven't seen the flat-out love.

i totally agree. people either say it's horrible or that it's not that bad. I must say there are a few songs on this cd that i really like and are amazing songs ( Grey, Holly Wood Died ) but as a whole i don't feel as if this cd lived up to what Ocean Avenue did which by the way is in my top 10 favorite cds of all time.

[Gabe Gross]

lol..i think your swell as well...just wasnt sure how i was supposed act considerin the rivalry and all

im too cool to go to wwu...i just simply live in bellingham

[StartingLine182]

Great review. I agree with you that there doesnt seem to be the emotion that was there on Ocean Avenue.

[Driveitthrough]

Yellowcard was at their best on One For the Kids. How can everyone forget about that album so easily? Or have you not all heard it? It's definitely my favorite by far.

[ontheeverglow]

What I find really interesting is that I have yet to run across anyone who says honestly that this was a great album. Usually every CD has a few people like that (even if it's generally agreed that it's not very good), but I haven't seen the flat-out love.


Okay, well I'll be the first then. I flat-out absolutely LOVE the new CD, and while a couple songs are subpar, I still like the songs, and I also feel that the string/orchestral arrangements are amazing (especially at the end of "Holly Wood Died") and I am glad they utilized them the way they did on this CD, giving it a much, much "bigger" and fuller sound than Ocean Avenue had. I am also very, very glad they dropped the "pop-punk" bullshit as well.

[cubz84]

Yellowcard was at their best on One For the Kids. How can everyone forget about that album so easily? Or have you not all heard it? It's definitely my favorite by far.

agreed. One For The Kids was incredible.
i will say that "Rough Landing, Holly" is an amazing song. It's no "Rough Draft", "October Nights", or "Miles Apart", though.

[ontheeverglow]

Oh, and anyone who says that the lyrics are much worse on this album than on previous releases by them obviously hasn't read the lyrics to "October Nights"(which I do think is a great song).

You came and cuddled next to me baby yeah yeah yeah

[Jason Tate]

Oh, and anyone who says that the lyrics are much worse on this album than on previous releases by them obviously hasn't read the lyrics to "October Nights"(which I do think is a great song).

You came and cuddled next to me baby yeah yeah yeah
I think the general feeling was their lyrics were bad, but fun and "relatible" (I'm making up words) before .. now they're bad, and don't make a whole lot of sense other then they rhyme (sorta).

[EvilButters]

Very interesting review. I can't say it surprises me, but it is a bummer to hear that Ryan doesn't put emotion into his lyrics this time around. That was one the best things about this band. I mean, I don't want to go into tearing up this album before I get a chance to hear it...but they definitely had the odds stacked up against them with this release.

[mattregan]

My only problem with his review is it seemed like he was calling out to Ryan. "What happened to your voice, lyrics, etc..."

[Steve Henderson]

I can't stand it when record reviewers write in such a condescending manner.
That's what we do when records suck.

[Steve Henderson]

Okay, here's the review I will be posting at www.upbeetmusic.com this week (if anyone wants to read):

Hating your little sister's favorite band just got easier...

If the incessant MTV appearances, shameless Verizon plugs, or ruthless ousting of a band member were not ammunition enough, Yellowcard has returned with a more tangible and justifiable reason to despise them. I'll be the first to admit I was a sucker for the band circa "One for the Kids" and I even bought "Ocean Avenue" when it came out. You might have even been privy to spy me belting out the hook to "Only One" in my car at times. Sure, there was the general distaste that accompanied their meteoric rise to fame and their newfound fanbase of Hot Topic-shopping, "Ryan Key is so hAwT!"-screaming teenieboppers, but all of that is in the past. Yellowcard, like many bands before them, found themselves at a crossroads where they could decide where to venture from the foothills of fame.

Lights and Sounds is the type of album that makes a strong first impression. In this case, let it be known that this does not work to the band's advantage. Offering little in the way of complexity, the faults in Yellowcard's work are glaring and forward. For simplicity's sake, I will just list my gripes with the record...let the listener judge if such deterrents raise the right amount of proverbial red flags.

1. Ryan Key's voice is getting worse by the album. Never one to teach vocal lessons, Key used to posess a sound that maintained a juvenile, innocent charm. In fact, it was the type of voice that makes everyone feel like they, too, could be a rock star. On "Lights and Sounds," Key sounds bored and annoyed by his own band's songs. Projecting an image of blatant eye-rolling, rarely does a singer exude an air that can so deftly turn off on-time fans. However, this is one of those times.

2. Please, for the love of god, Yellowcard, improve your fucking lyrics. Stop resurrecting sonnets out of your junior high Trapper KeeperTM and put them to the same elementary riffs you have been using for years. It is becoming increasingly obvious that you construct your couplets as follows: a) write somewhat significant sentence and b) follow up with incoherent sentence so long as the ending word rhymes with the closer of (a). This does not work. You are professionals. If you cannot write a decent song, pay Linda Perry to do it.

3. Production can only mask so much. Above the level marked by the smallest level of restraint, the use of production to excess reeks of arrogance. The suffocating application of orchestral tracks on the album has rendered violin player (and token band gimmick) Sean Mackin completely obsolete outside of his stage antics. Not that this is surprising in a grand sense, but I am a little shocked they were so quick to write off the quaint undercurrent Mackin provided to previous anthems.

4. Putting a Dixie Chick on your album does not help your cred. Way to cement the sell-out status.

5. This is not a concept album. Please do not insult artists that can actually pull off the stunt by billing this short-bus version as one.

In the end, I think "Lights and Sounds" is more frustrating to me than anything else. I grew up liking this band, and mayhap I am just outgrowing them. Yet I fear that is not the case. Instead, I feel that there are few acts out there that carry the mark of fame so outwardly, and the talent that has been sacrificed will be missed by many fans, I am sure. As it stands, "Lights and Sounds" will sell millions and millions of copies, and will pack arenas for subsequent tours. And that's what it's all about, isn't it? Ignore what you used to know about this band. Ignore ignorant publications that hail this work with a 5/5. Either that or comply with the agenda of everyone involved in all that is wrong with music today.

1/5

[John-Michael]

What happened to the no bad reviews rule! Ouch. Good review homie.

[Tony Pascarella]

That's what we do when records suck.

Hahaha. I definitely see redeeming qualities in it, but nothing like I was expecting. I was expecting something to blow me the fuck away.

[Steve Henderson]

Hahaha. I definitely see redeeming qualities in it, but nothing like I was expecting. I was expecting something to blow me the fuck away.
If you make the mistake of listening to Alternative Press, that is.

In the same issue, they gave Yellowcard a 5/5 and The Fully Down a 3/5. That is some fucking injustice.

[Tony Pascarella]

If you make the mistake of listening to Alternative Press, that is.

In the same issue, they gave Yellowcard a 5/5 and The Fully Down a 3/5. That is some fucking injustice.

On their scale, I'd give YC a 2.5/5 (I wouldn't be able to pick between 2 and 3), and TFD a well-praised 4. It's not amazing, but it's pretty damn good.

[Imallout007]

ill be downloading this album in my protest of them fucking over Ben Harper....

Fuck you Yellowcard...go Ben!

[bbelair]

Harsh review, I think you hit on some key points like Ryan's voice lacking emotion and being really flat all the time, his voice just isnt as good on this album. Also I kinda miss the really powerful, rocking violin lines from Ocean Avenue, but I wouldn't say the album is as bad as you think it is. I think it has some pretty solid songs (even though two weeks from twenty is just terrible, i cant get past how bad it is haha) and sure thing falling is defiently awesome.

[John-Michael]

If you look at the album apart from their other work I'd give it a 5. However owning OFTK ruins that chance for me.

[StartingLine182]

I think all of the songs blend together too. They dont separate themselves at all.

[3milesdown]

i'm not a fan of yellowcard anymore, but honest to god if i were i'd agree no matter what. key's vocals are horrible. i mean to me everything else is fine. they were the best band that just got worse and worse. one for the kids was amazing. then the underdog ep is probably the most favorite thing i own. ocean avenue wasn't that bad, but it was kinda bad. but nothing huge. but this cd is just not .....yellowcard.


edit: what's the case with ben now?

[Steve Henderson]

On their scale, I'd give YC a 2.5/5 (I wouldn't be able to pick between 2 and 3), and TFD a well-praised 4. It's not amazing, but it's pretty damn good.
TFD is a sick record. Some of the best guitar exhibitions of the past few years. That one has stuck with me for some time. What do you know, I gave it a 4/5 too? :)

[Rohan Kohli]

TFD is a sick record. Some of the best guitar exhibitions of the past few years. That one has stuck with me for some time. What do you know, I gave it a 4/5 too? :)

I gave it a 79/100, pretty gosh darn close to a 4/5 ;)

[ishotthepilot]

i love how they claimed the lyrics were supposed to get 'more mature' or something.... following my instincts and what i'm hearing, and not even touching this album.
going to have to pull a Finch/TheUsed and pretend it doesn't exist, to protect my sacred memories of 2002 when i loved these bands.

[Steve Henderson]

I gave it a 79/100, pretty gosh darn close to a 4/5 ;)
So, basically I fit in, eh?

[Steve Henderson]

Agree with what I said about YC in my review?

(previous page)

[JunkBondTrader]

If you make the mistake of listening to Alternative Press, that is.

In the same issue, they gave Yellowcard a 5/5 and The Fully Down a 3/5. That is some fucking injustice.
what did you give James Blunt.....because if its anything higher than a 1/5 i will be shocked, that guy is fucking pathetic at best.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Agree with what I said about YC in my review?

(previous page)

i enjoyed your review thoroughly mang. good job:)

[Frank Giaramita]

yeah, his lyrics need A LOT of work.

[Tony Pascarella]

yeah, his lyrics need A LOT of work.

They've never been amazing, but they've previously at least fit with the music. This time around, it doesn't mesh too well.

[evdogg0311]

I haven't heard much from "Lights and Sounds" but I kind of assumed after the release of Ben Harper that Yellowcard was headed in this direction. What I have heard from "Lights and Sounds" was only live and I felt were mediocre at best. I can only hope that they do in fact use this as an advantage in the future.

[dude]

Everyone I've played this cd for who is over 30 years old and is a rock fan likes it.

I guess it wasn't written for y'all.

I know you are all going to say some crap about the fact that no one is going to buy this cd, but you are all wrong.

Its going to sell at least 3 mil and they'll get a grammy nomination for How I Go. That's my prediction.

It seems I was wrong a few weeks ago when I said sites like this one matter to this band. I don't think this band needs fans from this scene that much anymore. Hate it all you want. If you don't like them, they probably wouldn't want you as fans anyway.

They'll get rashed for this album. They'll get trashed for their next one too...then everyone will somehow think they are cool in about 6 years. Don't you all remember green day about 7 years ago? Oh wait, most of you are probably too young. Everyone hated green day and the "scene" kids from back in the day talked shit incessantly. It all looks familiar to me.

[Johnny_G]

Terrible record. Terrible band. Don't try and be scene and say they sold out. How can you like OA or OFTK and not like this? It's the same damn thing. YC has always been the same boring recycled band.

[Johnny_G]

Its going to sell at least 3 mil and they'll get a grammy nomination for How I Go. That's my prediction.

Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

[dude]

Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

that's a stupid question.

I would if I knew you and wanted you to have any contact information for me. But I don't.

[ontheeverglow]

Everyone I've played this cd for who is over 30 years old and is a rock fan likes it.

I guess it wasn't written for y'all.

I know you are all going to say some crap about the fact that no one is going to buy this cd, but you are all wrong.

Its going to sell at least 3 mil and they'll get a grammy nomination for How I Go. That's my prediction.

It seems I was wrong a few weeks ago when I said sites like this one matter to this band. I don't think this band needs fans from this scene that much anymore. Hate it all you want. If you don't like them, they probably wouldn't want you as fans anyway.

They'll get rashed for this album. They'll get trashed for their next one too...then everyone will somehow think they are cool in about 6 years. Don't you all remember green day about 7 years ago? Oh wait, most of you are probably too young. Everyone hated green day and the "scene" kids from back in the day talked shit incessantly. It all looks familiar to me.

I agree with all of this, especially the part about How I Go being nominated. That's really a great song.

[Drew Beringer]

Rico, good review man, pretty much the same thoughts as me, ya should have gave them a 0/5 or 0.5/5 :wink:

[Johnny_G]

that's a stupid question.

I would if I knew you and wanted you to have any contact information for me. But I don't.

YC isn't as popular as you make them out to be. I mean they have some TRL following or whatever, but are they Beyonce or Kayne??? Far from it... and this isn't good enough nor does it have the catchiness (i.e FOB) to explode like FUCT did. 500,000? Probably... 1 Mil, Maybe... 3 mil... no chance in hell.

[ontheeverglow]

People saying they sold out just because they have Natalie Maines from the Dixie Chicks on one song really need to shut the fuck up. They're obviously "sell-outs" and in it for the money (that doesn't mean I don't love the new album though, it's all about the music for me), but it isn't because they have a Dixie Chick on the record. She has a really, really strong and powerful voice that fits in perfectly with the song, so what's the big deal? At least they got someone unexpected and not Michelle Nolan or someone like that, even though I like Michelle.

[weezer182]

im too cool to go to wwu...i just simply live in bellingham:'( we could of gone to school together

[dude]

YC isn't as popular as you make them out to be. I mean they have some TRL following or whatever, but are they Beyonce or Kayne??? Far from it... and this isn't good enough nor does it have the catchiness (i.e FOB) to explode like FUCT did. 500,000? Probably... 1 Mil, Maybe... 3 mil... no chance in hell.

to be honest, it won't have anything to do with the quality or catchiness. It has to do with the giant fucking marketing machine they ahve behind them for this one.

I'm older than most of you. I have older friends. They were only vaguely aware of this band before. Now they notice them and like Lights and Sounds (the single). They want to buy the new record. Just because the kids have written them off, doesn't mean they won't sell. The truth is, kids spend their parent's money, but it the 25 to 35 year olds out there who have their own disposable income without the stresses of their own families yet who spend money on cd's.

3 million over the next 2 years; worldwide.

[Gitch]

there are a few good tracks. I feel the same way about this record as I did the recent fall out boy cd. They're both ok cds and will sell a ton. Rough landing, holly is a kick ass song. It'd fit right in on ocean avenue

[Johnny_G]

to be honest, it won't have anything to do with the quality or catchiness. It has to do with the giant fucking marketing machine they ahve behind them for this one.

I'm older than most of you. I have older friends. They were only vaguely aware of this band before. Now they notice them and like Lights and Sounds (the single). They want to buy the new record. Just because the kids have written them off, doesn't mean they won't sell. The truth is, kids spend their parent's money, but it the 25 to 35 year olds out there who have their own disposable income without the stresses of their own families yet who spend money on cd's.

3 million over the next 2 years; worldwide.

Um, I have no idea whats in the crack that your smokin, but the ONLY reason YC will go platinum is cause of the 12-16 year olds eating this shit up...

[Drew Beringer]

there are a few good tracks. I feel the same way about this record as I did the recent fall out boy cd. They're both ok cds and will sell a ton. Rough landing, holly is a kick ass song. It'd fit right in on ocean avenue

FUCT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L&S

[Johnny_G]

FUCT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L&S

Correct.

[dude]

Um, I have no idea whats in the crack that your smokin, but the ONLY reason YC will go platinum is cause of the 12-16 year olds eating this shit up...


when was the last time you did marketing focus groups?

[GlassyLight]

Albums like this are necessary for those getting into 'the scene'. It's sorta good, coming from a band that used to have tons of cred. Shit, I just turned 22 years old. I tried popping in some of the albums that were the soundtrack to my high school years. Try having all of the 'good' bands in your brain and listen to Mest. It doesn't work. Yellowcard comes off as a stepping stone band, and always has. To me, it seems like the affection for early yellowcard comes from associated memories. The early stuff isn't all the terribly different from L&S (outside of production and so forth). Most of the people spreading love for OFTK were most likely in the age demographic they're now slamming Yellowcard for appealing to.

Continue onward Yellowcard. Continue making albums. As long as the 12 year old kids move onto such bands like Less Than Jake, Queens of the Stone Age, The Who, and anything else that is hard to get into at first, you'll always have a niche.

And don't talk shit. Everyone was an ignorant 12 year old once.

[Johnny_G]

when was the last time you did marketing focus groups?

Oh my, your serious.

[unwritten]

This shit is funny.

[unwritten]

when was the last time you did marketing focus groups?

Dude, you know you aren't gonna get anywhere dropping that older guy knowledge on these kids; if they are gonna hate, then let them hate. It's that simple.

[unwritten]

I expected more out of YC as well. They made another Ocean Ave basically. And in the process made themselves looks like assholes with the whole Ben Harper situation. Thats all. The Underdog EP was the highlight of their career.

[Adeniz19]

nice to see tate is unbiased about his negative review policy.

it deserves this score, i just think it's funny

[mrzippo3]

nice to see tate is unbiased about his negative review policy.

it deserves this score, i just think it's funny

holy shit, your avater is amazing

[Adeniz19]

holy shit, your avater is amazingyes it is

[eclipse]

nice to see tate is unbiased about his negative review policy.

it deserves this score, i just think it's funny

i also think this is funny.

[ishotthepilot]

to be honest, it won't have anything to do with the quality or catchiness. It has to do with the giant fucking marketing machine they ahve behind them for this one.

I'm older than most of you. I have older friends. They were only vaguely aware of this band before. Now they notice them and like Lights and Sounds (the single). They want to buy the new record. Just because the kids have written them off, doesn't mean they won't sell. The truth is, kids spend their parent's money, but it the 25 to 35 year olds out there who have their own disposable income without the stresses of their own families yet who spend money on cd's.

3 million over the next 2 years; worldwide.

hate to tell you but, your friends' taste sucks man. and your argument is weak. have you LISTENED to 'lights and sounds'? ugh.

[Adeniz19]

i also think this is funny.i guess they arent paying for advertising on this site.

[AUGUSTinBETHANY]

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[IamTheINDUSTRY]

Everyone I've played this cd for who is over 30 years old and is a rock fan likes it.

I guess it wasn't written for y'all.

I know you are all going to say some crap about the fact that no one is going to buy this cd, but you are all wrong.

Its going to sell at least 3 mil and they'll get a grammy nomination for How I Go. That's my prediction.

It seems I was wrong a few weeks ago when I said sites like this one matter to this band. I don't think this band needs fans from this scene that much anymore. Hate it all you want. If you don't like them, they probably wouldn't want you as fans anyway.

They'll get rashed for this album. They'll get trashed for their next one too...then everyone will somehow think they are cool in about 6 years. Don't you all remember green day about 7 years ago? Oh wait, most of you are probably too young. Everyone hated green day and the "scene" kids from back in the day talked shit incessantly. It all looks familiar to me.



says the guy who thinks inspection 12 is the beatles........ASSHOLE.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

to be honest, it won't have anything to do with the quality or catchiness. It has to do with the giant fucking marketing machine they ahve behind them for this one.

I'm older than most of you. I have older friends. They were only vaguely aware of this band before. Now they notice them and like Lights and Sounds (the single). They want to buy the new record. Just because the kids have written them off, doesn't mean they won't sell. The truth is, kids spend their parent's money, but it the 25 to 35 year olds out there who have their own disposable income without the stresses of their own families yet who spend money on cd's.

3 million over the next 2 years; worldwide.

so inspection 12 = the beatles and yellowcard = bruce springsteen? .....ASSHOLE.

[eclipse]

i guess they arent paying for advertising on this site. well i don't know if its that... buuuuut, obviously something is up.

secondly, this album is just as good as ocean avenue, it just has a different vibe to it. fuck, i like better than that piece of shit thrice album that came out.

[Scott Weber]

Great review, except I would have given this album a significantly lower score. Then again, I have a penchant for being overly harsh.

[eclipse]

Great review, except I would have given this album a significantly lower score. Then again, I have a penchant for being overly harsh.

you are.

[Jason Tate]

nice to see tate is unbiased about his negative review policy.

it deserves this score, i just think it's funny
We've never had a no negative review policy, ever ... get your facts straight and talk to our reviewers (or me) if you want the REAL inside scoop on our policies. Don't assume everything you hear is true ...

... and they did spend money on advertising, for the record.

[Scott Weber]

you are.
I am? What? Haha. You mean, I do?

[Scott Weber]

We've never had a no negative review policy, ever ... get your facts straight and talk to our reviewers (or me) if you want the REAL inside scoop on our policies. Don't assume everything you hear is true ...

... and they did spend money on advertising, for the record.
Yeah, there's no "no negative reviews" policy. That got cleared up with the staff like a week after that whole incident.

[eclipse]

We've never had a no negative review policy, ever .., get your facts straight and talk to our reviewers.
i'm sorry but this is bullshit.

4) I've let staff know in the past that I don't want to see "negative" reviews on this website (for so many reasons it's not even worth listing here); however, I really don't want to see them (if they must be written for a "moral' reason, or whatever) before the release date of an album. We're here to help people find new bands and new music to check out and listen to ... not get on a soap-box/high-horse and tell people why they shouldn't listen to things

even if this has changed, why did it change after you felt you had to fire someone over it, did you use it as an excuse and then decide you didn't need the policy anymore? i'd say this is a pretty negative review, surely a whole lot more negative than the thrice review that mills posted, and what, this kid is gonna get a pat on the back? thats bullshit.

[Adeniz19]

We've never had a no negative review policy, ever ... get your facts straight and talk to our reviewers (or me) if you want the REAL inside scoop on our policies. Don't assume everything you hear is true ...

... and they did spend money on advertising, for the record.http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=1838765&postcount=203

[Adeniz19]

i'm sorry but this is bullshit.



even if this has changed, why did it change after you felt you had to fire someone over it, did you use it as an excuse and then decide you didn't need the policy anymore? i'd say this is a pretty negative review, surely a whole lot more negative than the thrice review that mills posted, and what, this kid is gonna get a pat on the back? thats bullshit.exactly. i mean i totally agree with the review, it just doesnt seem fair on other reviewers like ryan and scott who got so much shit for their reviews.

[Jason Tate]

i'm sorry but this is bullshit.



even if this has changed, why did it change after you felt you had to fire someone over it, did you use it as an excuse and then decide you didn't need the policy anymore? i'd say this is a pretty negative review, surely a whole lot more negative than the thrice review that mills posted, and what, this kid is gonna get a pat on the back? thats bullshit.
Sorry to break it to you - but a post from me does NOT equal policy. That post I made was first and foremost an ideal fantasy I was describing, and further more - notice the "quotes" around the word negative. That's because it holds a very different meaning from what you idiots keep taking it to mean ... my staff and I know what the policies are and how to write good, professional, reviews following them - I don't have nearly enough time to waste on you.

[Melie]

the only song i've listened to off this record is lights and sounds and i cut it off half way through.
i most definitely agree with the person who said one for the kids was their best.

[Tony Pascarella]

exactly. i mean i totally agree with the review, it just doesnt seem fair on other reviewers like ryan and scott who got so much shit for their reviews.

I'm not sure how much I'm supposed to say about Ryan Mills, but I was told the entire story by Jason after he was fired. It had much, much more to do with just the fact that he disliked the album. I too believed that it was because he wrote the negative review at the time, but that was not the complete justfication for his firing. Ryan was an excellent writer for AP, and hopefully (if he hasn't already) he gets a job elsewhere and does a great job for them too.

And if case anyone is wondering, before I posted this review, I asked Jason and some of the other staffers to read it and let me know if they thought at any time it wasn't suitable for AP so that I could hopefully avoid any uproar such as what happeend in the wake of the Fall Out Boy, SKSK, and Ryan Mills (wasn't it Thrice?) reviews.

The reaction seems to be generally in agreement, with of course a few people who really enjoyed the album or disliked my review style--which is to be expected with any review, especially something as high-profile as Lights and Sounds.

[lezsolt]

90% of the people who posted here would have hated the album, no matter how it sounded like. Put your stupid arguments away, and go maturbate to Deja Entendu. Idiots.

[rufiocardtime]

the opening guitar riff in "down on my head" reminds me of a song off the untitled blink 182 cd.

i totally know what you're talking about.

[rufiocardtime]

i'm completely burnt out on reading anything ap.net posts about yellowcard. i liked some of the old staff better and i liked jason better before he went to college. i guess this is just what happens when you go from a teenager to 20. and now i know why all the 20 year olds looked back at me with scowling eyes at shows when i was that age. a word to everyone that thinks they are part of the scene: get the fuck out of it. leave. and don't even look back. it's worse than a group of stuck up high school girls. go listen to music and enjoy it for everything it is. fuck everything else that everyone wants to tag onto it.

"i could tell you of a man not so tall who said, 'life's a circus and so we are small.' "

[Tony Pascarella]

i'm completely burnt out on reading anything ap.net posts about yellowcard. i liked some of the old staff better and i liked jason better before he went to college. i guess this is just what happens when you go from a teenager to 20. and now i know why all the 20 year olds looked back at me with scowling eyes at shows when i was that age. a word to everyone that thinks they are part of the scene: get the fuck out of it. leave. and don't even look back. it's worse than a group of stuck up high school girls. go listen to music and enjoy it for everything it is. fuck everything else that everyone wants to tag onto it.

"i could tell you of a man not so tall who said, 'life's a circus and so we are small.' "

*shrug*

I enjoy music for the sake of my enjoyment. It's not to please anyone else or have people think me better/less than them. And that's the way it should be. I have a ton of albums I like that people here don't, and vice versa. You know what? It doesn't keep me from talking to them about music or being friends with them.

A lot of people take the scene too seriously.

[duffe]

Good review Tony, bad album.

[theOCEANFLOOR]

to be completely honest, i'm very surprised at how much of a la-la land most of you kids live in. to expect praise in every single review posted defeats the purpose of a review. tony didnt bash on the review, he gave it a just overview and presented it as what it actually was. the album isnt great. if you disagree you're entitled to that opinion just as much as tony is entitled to his opinion. the biggest problem in this "scene" is that you kids have so much pride and believe that the music you like and dislike is the music everyone likes and dislikes. get over yourselves.

tony, fantastic review and keep up the honesty-- it's what we really need.

you all should be fucking ashamed

[NYC27]

did ryan key admit that "How I Go" is about the movie "Big Fish"? i thought i saw in that interview about the Dixie Chicks singer that he said he made up the story of the song.

[rufiocardtime]

i'm sure girls between the ages of 13 and 16 will get felt up for the first time to them.

haha. it's so true. i think that's one of the most hilarious topics ever. especially when you see two kids at the mall who just came out of hot topic and they are feeding each other ice cream and wearing all black. the dude has a slipknot shirt, the chick's nasty boobs are falling out, and both have been plagued with a nasty case of acne. i love watching THAT couple. cuz you know that guy is gonna take that chick home and totally feel her up in all her attention-starved pre-pubescense. sometimes i wonder if they realize how bad of a stereotype they fit.

[iamthebullgod]

I agree wiht your review completely. Very well done, Tony. While this record does suck compared to the comfort of the OA days, it's not that bad. There are some decent songs on here, namely the last two. Ryan's vocals are shit, though...I thought he could do better than that. It sounds like they are trying to be a "legit rock band" instead of doing what they do best.

There's growing and maturing in your musical ability, and theres turning your back on what 1.) gave you the fame you have and 2.) gave you the cred and loyal fan-base you ahve. Kicking out Ben is one thing...kicking him out and becoming something else entirely while keeping the same name is something else.

classy guys....

[iamthebullgod]

to be completely honest, i'm very surprised at how much of a la-la land most of you kids live in. to expect praise in every single review posted defeats the purpose of a review. the biggest problem in this "scene" is that you kids have so much pride and believe that the music you like and dislike is the music everyone likes and dislikes. get over yourselves.

you all should be fucking ashamed

Yea...this whole "scene" shit is exactly that..shit. I don't use the tag for what most people use it for. I call it a scene like I would call the rap culture a "scene". It's a community of music lovers, not this whiny, self-absorbed, "holier than thou" bullshit that has been created. The core of the original scene was to be who you are, no matter what, and to accept other people HOW THEY ARE as well....that includes musical opinion, sexual preference, political/religious views, etc...

I may think your wrong about something, but I'll either voice my opinion, so you know how I feel, or I'll keep it to myself. Either way I'm not forcing anything on you, and I move on.

To all these little "scene-ster" pre-teens in their trendy white belts and "ole school chucks"...get the fuck over yourselves...swallow your "entitlement/prideful" bullshit mentality and show some fucking humility to your fellow music lover.

tony didnt bash on the review, he gave it a just overview and presented it as what it actually was. the album isnt great. if you disagree you're entitled to that opinion just as much as tony is entitled to his opinion.

tony, fantastic review and keep up the honesty-- it's what we really need.

Absolutely...see post above.

[Bruycker]

i'm very dissapointed in this album , and i've always loved yellowcard... and i'm not changing my mind because other people say so, very good review, ah it's too bad ...

[Steve Henderson]

90% of the people who posted here would have hated the album, no matter how it sounded like. Put your stupid arguments away, and go maturbate to Deja Entendu. Idiots.
No, actually if you read the posts, a lot of people (including myself) used to really like Yellowcard. It surely has something to do with fame for some listeners, but I am guessing a lot of people out there are just generally disappointed in the album. It does, indeed, suck goat asses.

Oh, and please do not call people idiots when you are the one implying Yellowcard is better than Brand New.

[Steve Henderson]

what did you give James Blunt.....because if its anything higher than a 1/5 i will be shocked, that guy is fucking pathetic at best.
I gave it a 2/5 I think. He has a great voice, but the album as a whole is pretty awful. I do enjoy the single, I must say.

i enjoyed your review thoroughly mang. good job:)
Rico, good review man, pretty much the same thoughts as me, ya should have gave them a 0/5 or 0.5/5 :wink:
Thanks, guys. You rock. :)

[bradyreier]

i haven't heard the album yet. does anyone know where i can rip it from?

[ForeverInADay]

holy shit, your avater is amazing
am i the only one who thinks jessica alba isnt all that hot?

[resUrectMe617]

90% of the people who posted here would have hated the album, no matter how it sounded like. Put your stupid arguments away, and go maturbate to Deja Entendu. Idiots.

says the guy listening to men women and children. not that i am bashing them, but if you'd like to put brand new on a low pedestal, check your own music first.

[mrzippo3]

rather have a beer

[ForeverInADay]

90% of the people who posted here would have hated the album, no matter how it sounded like. Put your stupid arguments away, and go maturbate to Deja Entendu. Idiots.
whoa....did you not like Deja Entendu?

I'm pretty sure no one gives a fuck about what you have to say now after that ridiculous statement.

[kennethagee]

i haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but so far it's alright, not as good as i was hoping, and yes, two weeks from twenty is absolutely horrrid!

[MrBaileySays]

I can't stand it when record reviewers write in such a condescending manner.

Boo Fucking Hoo.

[Steve Henderson]

am i the only one who thinks jessica alba isnt all that hot?
Yes. You are gay.

[unwritten]

am i the only one who thinks jessica alba isnt all that hot?

You fucking kidding me? She is bangin.

[Chemical Love]

The album sucks.

[RockVocalPower]

Get over yourself and unsticky this. Who cares.

[Tony Pascarella]

Get over yourself and unsticky this. Who cares.

Actually, all future reviews will be sticked for an amount of time. New policy.

[Steve Henderson]

Get over yourself and unsticky this. Who cares.
Really bothered you, huh?

[pfleck]

this band sucks now. seriously. i lost all credit when he did a duet with one of the dixie chicks.

[yutsmcgee]

They must be one of the worst live bands ever. Ryan stands there emotionless, playing his guitar like a retard who just picked one up for the first time in his life. It makes me laugh every time I see his stupid elbow sticking out, using every bit of concentration he has to play and sing at the same time. And that new guitar player looks like he's just waiting for his AARP card to come in the mail. They suck. Ocean Ave. was an alright summer album, but they truly eat shit. Fuck YC.

[Imallout007]

how the hell dont u like Deja Entendu..its a classic. I hate how every band tries so hard to take there time to make the perfect record and be like Brand New. Brand New is awsome in the taking forever to release an album because they do it for the fans. YC has never done it for the fans, they might of in the begining but now sucess has gone to there fucking heads..the only reason why i kinda listen to em is the drummer is awsome

[the_narrator]

Great review, except I would have given this album a significantly lower score. Then again, I have a penchant for being overly harsh.

Hahahahaahahahaha. Oh, Scott. That's great. Probably the best thing I've seen today.

[eclipse]

Sorry to break it to you - but a post from me does NOT equal policy. That post I made was first and foremost an ideal fantasy I was describing, and further more - notice the "quotes" around the word negative. That's because it holds a very different meaning from what you idiots keep taking it to mean ... my staff and I know what the policies are and how to write good, professional, reviews following them - I don't have nearly enough time to waste on you.
you obviously were not attempting to be speaking in ideal fantasies when you used that as one of multiple reasons to fire someone. if a post from you basically saying you tell your reviewers something isn't policy.. then i don't know what is.

Negative:
Lacking positive or constructive features, especially:
Unpleasant; disagreeable: had a negative experience on his first job.
Gloomy; pessimistic: a negative outlook.
Unfavorable or detrimental: a negative review; a negative effect on the child's development.
Hostile or disparaging; malicious: ran a negative campaign against her opponentand don't tell me you don't have time to waste on people like me, i'm just like any other user on these forums, so if you don't have time for me, you don't have time for any of them.

[Adeniz19]

if negative reviews are allowed, then why was the thrice review deleted? i believe the sksk one was deleted also.

[theOCEANFLOOR]

can someone explain to me what is wrong with a negative review? are all of you that scared to read that your favorite band's latest album blows? jesus christ some of you kids have some serious fucking problems if you get all worked up about a review that disagrees with your opinion.

[Scott Weber]

if negative reviews are allowed, then why was the thrice review deleted? i believe the sksk one was deleted also.
It wasn't deleted, I just didn't repost it when we switched to the new reviews system.

[Tony Pascarella]

can someone explain to me what is wrong with a negative review? are all of you that scared to read that your favorite band's latest album blows? jesus christ some of you kids have some serious fucking problems if you get all worked up about a review that disagrees with your opinion.

My Chemical Romance sucks; they didn't used to, but they certainly do now. Get over it, ladies. :p
*waits for the flood of public opinions*

[rufiocardtime]

My Chemical Romance sucks; they didn't used to, but they certainly do now. Get over it, ladies. :p
*waits for the flood of public opinions*


hell yeah you're gonna get an opinion....my chemical romance is one of the worst bands EVER. i can't tell you how many times i've managed to see them over the years as they've worked their way onto some otherwise kickass tours. they have ALWAYS sucked. very little talent. but now they have a huge budget and a great producer, so if no one has seem them before recently, they might love them much the same that they would love fall out boy.

[dude]

And this is the kind of review that has a readership of millions.

This is why your opinions won't matter.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/music/0,6115,1150945_4_0_,00.html

Two of the songs most of you hated were reviewed positively in a magazine marketed to ADULTS.

[dude]

another review from a media outlet without an agenda to bring down or raise up this band, Rolling Stone:

In 2004, when they sold more than a million albums, Yellowcard symbolized just how undeniably mainstream punk pop had become -- and, for many, just how miserably watered-down the music was now. With Lights and Sounds, the Southern California group has moved even more into the middle -- and has made what ends up being one of the best straight-up pop-rock albums of 2006. Sometimes, all you can do is prove your critics right.

Like the Goo Goo Dolls, who were never as punk as they thunk, Yellowcard have rightfully recognized the transcendent value of a big, fist-pumping anthem coated with a light dose of romantic schmaltz. Lights and Sounds' "City of Devils" employs an orchestra for a chorus with such a sublime lilt that it could melt even the hardest heart. On "Waiting Game," the band turns what otherwise might have been a cheesy melodic hook into irresistible pop confection. The bright, wistful "Two Weeks From Twenty," meanwhile, echoes Ben Folds Five with its gentle oohs and ahs, jazzy guitar and horn solos, and singer Ryan Key's airy falsetto. And on the rootsy acoustic number "How I Go," Key duets with Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks; their voices intertwine beautifully, however overwrought the lyrics.

Lights and Sounds has a little heft. The searing "Rough Landing" and the title track boast seismic alt-rock riffs and mosh-worthy refrains.

Perhaps the most significant proof of Yellowcard's maturity is their restraint: Violinist Sean Mackin's chops are showcased with much greater subtlety on Lights and Sounds. It may undercut their punk-pop-with-fiddle shtick, but when you've got songs this good, you don't need a gimmick.

JENNY ELISCU

Note the last paragraph.

Oh, and by the way, this album was the second most downloaded on itunes today. That's a forum where people get to sample the music before buying. If they didn't like it, they wouldn't have bought it.

[iamthebullgod]

This is a very interesting aritcle. Thanks for posting this. It just proves my point that Yellowcard (I hate calling them that...they are no longer worthy of the name, but thts besides the point) has truly sold out. They made a cd with enough poppy-ness to keep the older Mainstream/CHR crowd interested (aka soccer moms who listen to michelle branch, etc...), but kept enough of their "roots" to keep the young'ns somewhat satisfied.

as for the hardcore fans that made them what they are today....I renounced that status the moment they kicked out Ben. I was introduced to them through "OA"...then picked up "OFTK"...kick ass music.

but this...this is shit. Pure shit. Yellowcard lives on in my memory...this new band, whatever their name is, is ehhhh...maybe okay. But they're not Yellowcard...that's for fucking sure.

[dude]

This is a very interesting aritcle. Thanks for posting this. It just proves my point that Yellowcard (I hate calling them that...they are no longer worthy of the name, but thts besides the point) has truly sold out. They made a cd with enough poppy-ness to keep the older Mainstream/CHR crowd interested (aka soccer moms who listen to michelle branch, etc...), but kept enough of their "roots" to keep the young'ns somewhat satisfied.

as for the hardcore fans that made them what they are today....I renounced that status the moment they kicked out Ben. I was introduced to them through "OA"...then picked up "OFTK"...kick ass music.

but this...this is shit. Pure shit. Yellowcard lives on in my memory...this new band, whatever their name is, is ehhhh...maybe okay. But they're not Yellowcard...that's for fucking sure.


Neither you nor any fans "made them what they are today". They made themselves what they are today. That goes for every band out there.

You didn't buy the cd's because you wanted to support them. You bought them because you wanted to listen to the music and see the lyrics in the cd cases and call it your own. When fans purchase music, it is a selfish endeavour. You are indulging your own desire to own and listen to something. It certainly isn't charity for the band.

Stop pretending you built them. They write the songs, they record the songs, they play the shows.

If you don't like them anymore, I doubt they really care.

[Scott Weber]

Neither you nor any fans "made them what they are today". They made themselves what they are today. That goes for every band out there.

You didn't buy the cd's because you wanted to support them. You bought them because you wanted to listen to the music and see the lyrics in the cd cases and call it your own. When fans purchase music, it is a selfish endeavour. You are indulging your own desire to own and listen to something. It certainly isn't charity for the band.


Fans have to purchase the CDs to make it go gold/platinum. No matter what kind of music they play, they still rely on the fans to purchase their cds and come to their shows. That's pretty basic logic.

I personally have bought 10-15 CDs that I've never opened, simply because I wanted to support the artist. Seriously. I buy the CD, and listen to the music on my computer that I downloaded. You shouldn't be so hostile, you don't know everyone's motivations.

[dude]

Fans have to purchase the CDs to make it go gold/platinum. No matter what kind of music they play, they still rely on the fans to purchase their cds and come to their shows. That's pretty basic logic.

I personally have bought 10-15 CDs that I've never opened, simply because I wanted to support the artist. Seriously. I buy the CD, and listen to the music on my computer that I downloaded. You shouldn't be so hostile, you don't know everyone's motivations.


that's like saying that a grocery store clerk is "made" by his customers. or that a lawyer is "made" by his clients. or that a doctor is "made" by his patients.

That's bullshit. We all make ourselves. We find our own niche in society where society will value what we do and compensate us for it. Bands are only doing the same. They do the work, just like the grocery clerk, the lawyer, and the doctor. They have a product that acts as a service to customers who want it. If some customers don't want their product or service anymore because it has changed, that's the way of it. It is their choice to serve up whatever product they want.

In the end, no matter how you slice it, you bought those disks because you wanted to feel like you were a part of what that band was doing; that's part of buying into their product...a product they produced! There is no true altruism. Everything we do is selfish on some level.

[Steve Henderson]

that's like saying that a grocery store clerk is "made" by his customers. or that a lawyer is "made" by his clients. or that a doctor is "made" by his patients.

That's bullshit. We all make ourselves. We find our own niche in society where society will value what we do and compensate us for it. Bands are only doing the same. They do the work, just like the grocery clerk, the lawyer, and the doctor. They have a product that acts as a service to customers who want it. If some customers don't want their product or service anymore because it has changed, that's the way of it. It is their choice to serve up whatever product they want.

In the end, no matter how you slice it, you bought those disks because you wanted to feel like you were a part of what that band was doing; that's part of buying into their product...a product they produced! There is no true altruism. Everything we do is selfish on some level.
If you didn't spend so much time defending Yellowcard, you might actually accomplish something meaningful with your writing efforts someday.

[rufiocardtime]

If you didn't spend so much time defending Yellowcard, you might actually accomplish something meaningful with your writing efforts someday.

shut up you fuckin homo.

[Steve Henderson]

shut up you fuckin homo.
Oh, BURNED! Good zinger!

[dude]

If you didn't spend so much time defending Yellowcard, you might actually accomplish something meaningful with your writing efforts someday.


too bad I already earn over 80k per year doing work that has little to do with my writing. I accomplish something meaningful on most days of my life working here in DC. Probably more than you can say.

Honestly, I do enjoy forcing so many of you know-it-alls to actually think about your arguments. The yellowcard argument is the perfect forum because so many of you are ignorant sheep on this particular subject.

[Steve Henderson]

too bad I already earn over 80k per year doing work that has little to do with my writing. I accomplish something meaningful on most days of my life working here in DC. Probably more than you can say.

Honestly, I do enjoy forcing so many of you know-it-alls to actually think about your arguments. The yellowcard argument is the perfect forum because so many of you are ignorant sheep on this particular subject.
Congratulations on being out of high school and being able to hold a job. You are my hero. Not really, though. Despite what you may have conjured up about me in your dull mind, I am out of HS, college, and am halfway to my MBA. I work for GE full time as an engineer designing aircraft engine controls, am about 2 weeks shy of being engaged, and am buying a house in March. Still think your life is so fucking significant?

With regards to the Yellowcard bullshit, I did not "follow" anyone. I own every YC album before this, and downloaded the new one when it came out. I listened to it every day at work for a week (as I do for all my reviews) and wrote a few pages on what I thought of it. Would I really waste the time to substantiate another person's/group's viewpoint? Doubt it.

If you are so rich, important, and all-around god-like, learn to use proper capitalization. Okay? Thanks.

[dude]

Congratulations on being out of high school and being able to hold a job. You are my hero. Not really, though. Despite what you may have conjured up about me in your dull mind, I am out of HS, college, and am halfway to my MBA. I work for GE full time as an engineer designing aircraft engine controls, am about 2 weeks shy of being engaged, and am buying a house in March. Still think your life is so fucking significant?

With regards to the Yellowcard bullshit, I did not "follow" anyone. I own every YC album before this, and downloaded the new one when it came out. I listened to it every day at work for a week (as I do for all my reviews) and wrote a few pages on what I thought of it. Would I really waste the time to substantiate another person's/group's viewpoint? Doubt it.

If you are so rich, important, and all-around god-like, learn to use proper capitalization. Okay? Thanks.


congrats on the pending engagement. sorry I misjudged you. I suppose that is why I qualified my statements with "probably" and "most".

I don't believe myself to be rich, but I am quite confident that I will be. "Important" is a relative term. I sure am important to the organization I work for and the people it helps. I am also important to my family. And, yes, I do feel like I have far more solid opinions than most people on this board.

As for wasting my time on another person's viewpoint, sure it is a waste of time. I do enjoy it though. I am sure you do something that many would consider wasting time; be it playing video games or spending time on the absolutepunk message board.

Engineering is a tough major. Good job getting through. MBA's don't impress me. I have one.

[Scott Weber]

Engineering is a tough major. Good job getting through. MBA's don't impress me. I have one.
haha, congrats on having an 80k job and an MBA. also, congrats on feeling the need to brag about your wealth and education on a music message board to a bunch of people who really don't give a shit.

[rufiocardtime]

the "dude" has more of my respect than uncle fucking rico and scott weber.

[Steve Henderson]

haha, congrats on having an 80k job and an MBA. also, congrats on feeling the need to brag about your wealth and education on a music message board to a bunch of people who really don't give a shit.
Amen. Well, it might have had a point if there were any leverage above me. I will say, though, 80k is a lot of money. Anywhere besides DC, that is.

[Steve Henderson]

the "dude" has more of my respect than uncle fucking rico and scott weber.
That hurts to not have the admiration and friendship of "Rufiocardtime" - ouchies.

[rufiocardtime]

haha

[dude]

haha, congrats on having an 80k job and an MBA. also, congrats on feeling the need to brag about your wealth and education on a music message board to a bunch of people who really don't give a shit.


not really bragging...well, I guess it was; but I wouldn't have done it if Uncle Rico hadn't made a smart ass remark about me doing something useful with my life. I can't help if it is true that I do more with my life than most people on this board do now or ever will do. Sorry dude.

Yes, I do feel a need to beat people down verbally and, in doing so, exhaulting myself. I clearly have self-esteem issues.

hehe. Or I might just be an arrogant bastard who knows he's smarter and more competent than most people.

[Steve Henderson]

not really bragging...well, I guess it was; but I wouldn't have done it if Uncle Rico hadn't made a smart ass remark about me doing something useful with my life. I can't help if it is true that I do more with my life than most people on this board do now or ever will do. Sorry dude.

Yes, I do feel a need to beat people down verbally and, in doing so, exhaulting myself. I clearly have self-esteem issues.

hehe. Or I might just be an arrogant bastard who knows he's smarter and more competent than most people.
"He started it!"

Oh, and if you are SO smart and shit, you might know that it is "exulting" not "exhaulting." Additionally, if you KNEW all about your superiority, you might not feel the need to brag about it to people that don't give a shit.

It is good to see that attention to detail within the English language is not a prerequisite for your job.

[dude]

"He started it!"

Oh, and if you are SO smart and shit, you might know that it is "exulting" not "exhaulting." Additionally, if you KNEW all about your superiority, you might not feel the need to brag about it to people that don't give a shit.

It is good to see that attention to detail within the English language is not a prerequisite for your job.


hehe, though you are closer to being right than I was. You're wrong, too. The appropriate term here is "exalt" not "exult". Next time you correct people, make sure you are right.

I'll just go back to bragging now...

[dude]

hehe, though you are closer to being right than I was. You're wrong, too. The appropriate term here is "exalt" not "exult". Next time you correct people, make sure you are right.

I'll just go back to bragging now...


oh, and I know you are going to make a smart ass remark about my grammar in the above statement. It was a type-o. My bad. No, my employers don't care about those details that much. :)