Downloading Numbers Stay The Same

[Ryan Imhof]

According to this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4627368.stm) written by BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk), even global court actions have had no effect on reducing downloading music.

[jfb392]

"But the industry was finding it difficult to persuade existing song-swappers to use legal download services such as iTunes instead, he said."

Why would you want to use iTunes?
Buy the cd and look at the artwork. Enjoy the real thing.
Atleast you own it, and it doesn't sound like crap when played on speakers.
Try it yourself, burn an iTunes song and listen, then listen to the real album.
The iTunes song sounds horrid.

That's the problem for most, the songs have horrible bitrates and you're told what to do with these items you bought.
I know I'd use iTunes or similar store to download music if it had exceptional quality like the files I could download illegally.
For now, I'll stick to making the 45 minute trip to my nearest music store or order the album from the band's online store, atleast I have rights to it when I own the real disc.
If they don't step up, they'll never win this fight.

[Frank Giaramita]

It will never end. Period. If labels haven't realized that yet, something is terribly wrong with them. NOTHING can be done to stop or prevent downloading music, ever.

Why would you want to use iTunes?
Nice avatar.

[Stereo Therapy]

surprise, surprise.

[Ryan Imhof]

I was going to say something like that. hahah.
Ment to quote Frank
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[Stereo Therapy]

i just started downloading a lot more frequently and ive been so happy with the result... ive discovered more new artists and expanded my tastes more than i really thought i ever would. when i buy cds (which i do, probably 2/3rds my music collection is bought) its based on price and quality. ive heard most of the cds i buy before i buy them. downloading is an amazing thing for music. fuck people trying to fuck it up.

[underthetalking]

They can keep trying all they want. Its not going to change.

[jfb392]

It will never end. Period. If labels haven't realized that yet, something is terribly wrong with them. NOTHING can be done to stop or prevent downloading music, ever.


Nice avatar.Thanks, haha. I don't support iTunes, just them using Intel.
Apple Computers: love them. Apple's attempt at legal music downloading: not so much.

No one should have even supported DRM'd music in the first place.
The artists hardly get any of the profits anyway.
There's just too many flaws in the current legal music downloading "system" for it to ever beat out illegal downloading.

[Stereo Therapy]

the people trying to stop it are fucking retarded. the only numbers they have are probably for P2P programs, which are basically one of the least effective ways of downloading.

[jfb392]

i just started downloading a lot more frequently and ive been so happy with the result... ive discovered more new artists and expanded my tastes more than i really thought i ever would. when i buy cds (which i do, probably 2/3rds my music collection is bought) its based on price and quality. ive heard most of the cds i buy before i buy them. downloading is an amazing thing for music. fuck people trying to fuck it up.Exactly.
Are you going to go out and spend whatever the store feels like charging you for an album that could be crap?
I'd rather not, seeing as I don't have enough to be buying albums left and right, let alone enough to spend on albums I'll end up hating.

[Nick Lopez]

I don't know. Honestly, downloading has made my musical taste evolve so much from when I first joined this site. Don't get me wrong, I don't solely download music, but I go out and buy the CDs that are very, very good. I own my entire Top 10 list from 2005 (among others..hah), and I don't know, it works for me. I just think it's better this way.

[Ryan Imhof]

I don't know. Honestly, downloading has made my musical taste evolve so much from when I first joined this site. Don't get me wrong, I don't solely download music, but I go out and buy the CDs that are very, very good. I own my entire Top 10 list from 2005 (among others..hah), and I don't know, it works for me. I just think it's better this way.
Agreed.

[CHRISRIPPEDOUT]

if people will find a way to get something for free, they will do it.....and i agree with everyone else, downloading has helped me discover new artists. Most artists don't make money from CD sales anyway, the only time i buy a cd is if it's directly from the band at a live show.

[Stereo Therapy]

how much do bands actually make from each record sale, like an average band?

[The Coalition]

im cool with downloading, if the people who download are cool with stopping their claims of supporting music.

[A picasso blue]

i dont understand downloaders. do you just not care that much about music to go and buy the albums??

[Stereo Therapy]

i dont understand downloaders. do you just not care that much about music to go and buy the albums??

i buy the good albums or i buy more from the artists with good albums. from what i understand, bands get very little from record sales anyways and i really dont care about supporting the distributors and such.

[Manbotisdead]

i dont understand downloaders. do you just not care that much about music to go and buy the albums??

I am torn on the issue. I understand it is morally questionable but there is an argument that can be made for either side of the spectrum using the artists actualy gains.

An artist doesn't make shit in comparison to the label, in fact a triple platinum release for a four person band on a major earns the band a little over 30k.

you could argue that you dont think the label is fair and download, or you could argue that downloading only hurts the artist that much more.

Myself I buy a great majority of my music, if not all of it. Anything I dl is strictly for trial purposes and if I really enjoy it I will most likely buy it someday and the future music of the artist.

[roll x my eyes]

how much do bands actually make from each record sale, like an average band?

my brother says the band will get about 17% of the total record sales, can shift a bit depending on the label.

[The Coalition]

i buy the good albums or i buy more from the artists with good albums. from what i understand, bands get very little from record sales anyways and i really dont care about supporting the distributors and such.

I think people should apply this to other parts of their life, and other industries and realise... you can't be a true proponant of music if you download, because you are killing the industry that gives you music.

Just food for thought... If you walked by a mall store after seeing a late movie and realised the door was left open, would you go in and take a few things just to see how they looked on you when you got home?

Usually most smaller bands never get to the point where they make revenue off sales, because they have not yet re-couped. I think that's why there is the perception bands make so little, however if you consider the somewhat huge advances given, they are making money. That huge advance allowed the band to pay rent and bills for a few years, and to make a record that was their art. If a band can never re-coup that money, they really have no chance to make more money. A band has to sell records to re-coup, so if you really care about an artist, buy an album and help them re-coup. Once a band re-coups, they usually make pretty good money off sales. A responsible band/label combo can spend the right amount to put out an album that makes money for both parties. I know, I've seen it happen.

As far as only buying the good albums, I totally am down with that if you delete all the bad albums, but I doubt people do that. Im curious, though, maybe they do.

I think there are responsible, viable ways to learn about new music, even sharing between friends. however when it becomes en-masse it is kind of out of control.

[CHRISRIPPEDOUT]

I think people should apply this to other parts of their life, and other industries and realise... you can't be a true proponant of music if you download, because you are killing the industry that gives you music.

Just food for thought... If you walked by a mall store after seeing a late movie and realised the door was left open, would you go in and take a few things just to see how they looked on you when you got home?

Usually most smaller bands never get to the point where they make revenue off sales, because they have not yet re-couped. I think that's why there is the perception bands make so little, however if you consider the somewhat huge advances given, they are making money. That huge advance allowed the band to pay rent and bills for a few years, and to make a record that was their art. If a band can never re-coup that money, they really have no chance to make more money. A band has to sell records to re-coup, so if you really care about an artist, buy an album and help them re-coup. Once a band re-coups, they usually make pretty good money off sales. A responsible band/label combo can spend the right amount to put out an album that makes money for both parties. I know, I've seen it happen.

As far as only buying the good albums, I totally am down with that if you delete all the bad albums, but I doubt people do that. Im curious, though, maybe they do.

I think there are responsible, viable ways to learn about new music, even sharing between friends. however when it becomes en-masse it is kind of out of control.

good fucking point man...sure made me feel lame.

[BrandNizzle182]

they cant stop us

[BrandNizzle182]

I think people should apply this to other parts of their life, and other industries and realise... you can't be a true proponant of music if you download, because you are killing the industry that gives you music.

Just food for thought... If you walked by a mall store after seeing a late movie and realised the door was left open, would you go in and take a few things just to see how they looked on you when you got home?

Usually most smaller bands never get to the point where they make revenue off sales, because they have not yet re-couped. I think that's why there is the perception bands make so little, however if you consider the somewhat huge advances given, they are making money. That huge advance allowed the band to pay rent and bills for a few years, and to make a record that was their art. If a band can never re-coup that money, they really have no chance to make more money. A band has to sell records to re-coup, so if you really care about an artist, buy an album and help them re-coup. Once a band re-coups, they usually make pretty good money off sales. A responsible band/label combo can spend the right amount to put out an album that makes money for both parties. I know, I've seen it happen.

As far as only buying the good albums, I totally am down with that if you delete all the bad albums, but I doubt people do that. Im curious, though, maybe they do.

I think there are responsible, viable ways to learn about new music, even sharing between friends. however when it becomes en-masse it is kind of out of control.

i really think that by the time it is about money it sucks! you can disagree and thats fine. if you are writing music to support yourself it is just superficial and not for the point that it is honest anymore. but if you write for the feeling that someone else could relate to you and feel like what you say matters i really think that is more imprortant than making a buck, quick or not. i am probibly in the minority but i dont give a fuck, music isnt a fashon statement that everyone has to agree with you on. it is so much more than that. and that is what i love about it. and honstly if you dont, i dont give a motherfucker who i offend but fuck the fuck off.

[aminorthreat55]

I'm so surprised.
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[XPnkXrckXprncss]

I have to say downloading music has led me to discoverign great bands like silverstein.... But i only d/l a few songs and if i like them then i'll buy the cd... its not worth wasting $15 on something i might totaly hate..

But don't get me wrong i own about 200 cd's

[tedE]

Exactly. Some CDs I'll download then buy when I can afford them, or ask for them for birthday/Christmas. As for deleting the bad ones, depends. Some of them I'll keep and then listen to way later, maybe my tastes change, maybe it needs to grow on me.
Point is, so what if I download an album, don't like it, and don't delete it. If I'm not actually listening to it, is the band losing any money? No. Only difference is I didn't get screwed out of my money. But if I go back, revisit something I previously didn't like and suddenly like it and then buy the CD, the band now has my money and my 'fanship', we all win and I didn't get screwed out of ~$12 for a CD I don't like and never listen to.

[KarateExplosion]

the global courts aren't totally legit yet. that's why their ruling doesn't matter. just study IR for a few weeks.

[The Coalition]

Exactly. Some CDs I'll download then buy when I can afford them, or ask for them for birthday/Christmas. As for deleting the bad ones, depends. Some of them I'll keep and then listen to way later, maybe my tastes change, maybe it needs to grow on me.
Point is, so what if I download an album, don't like it, and don't delete it. If I'm not actually listening to it, is the band losing any money? No. Only difference is I didn't get screwed out of my money. But if I go back, revisit something I previously didn't like and suddenly like it and then buy the CD, the band now has my money and my 'fanship', we all win and I didn't get screwed out of ~$12 for a CD I don't like and never listen to.

I just wonder if everyone really buys all the good cds. You may, I dont know you. However i can say if i downloaded a bunch of cds, and then had money to go buy them, I'd probably buy cds i didnt already have on my computer. I think the majority of people might think in that way, that is my concern, that's what im talking about.

The simple fact is you can stream practically every album that comes out on the web, if not the full thing clips of all the songs, or 3-4 full songs. It's one of the reasons labels make e-cards, albums can be previewed before having to be "screwed out of (your) money." Other places to preview albums are... iTunes, mammoth press, nme, this very website, aol, the list goes on.

I might add, i kind of enjoy buying an album blind, maybe hearing things about the band, but never hearing them, or maybe I just like the art. It is kind of a fun experience to just make a guess, and be right. You can always trade it in, if it's terrible and you take another cd you don't like anymore and get one used cd. not a bad deal at all.

music is a luxury.