Obama's Speech in Cairo

[J.C.]

Tomorrow's the day he gives his 'reaching out to the muslim world' speech. I'm looking forward to it. I think this is going to play a pivotal role in our relations in the middle east for the next 4-8 years. He has to walk a fine line(similar to what he did with his speech in France and the race one in Philly) and I'm pretty confident in his ability to do that. I think he's going to smartly focus on winning over the youth of the region, as that's the best bet for long term progress.

What's everyone else think?

I'm not sure at exactly what time the speech'll be given. I'll try and find that for everybody.

[open mind]

i'm sure it will be a fine speech, but i think the populace of the muslim world is more interested in policy changes then they are in speeches.

[saysmydoctor]

If his stance on Israel is any indication as to how he plans to handle that situation, I foresee some serious changes.

[open mind]

If his stance on Israel is any indication as to how he plans to handle that situation, I foresee some serious changes.

what exactly is his stance on israel these days?

[saysmydoctor]

He has been a pretty hard line "No settlements in the West Bank" as it breaks the goals of the 'road map.' He has been giving Netanyahu (in Netanyahu's view) a lot of slack about it, but he has been pretty clear he wants a two-state solution.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Getting ready to watch it now. It's strange, I'm seeing some somewhat meaningful conversation on CNN right now.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

He has been a pretty hard line "No settlements in the West Bank" as it breaks the goals of the 'road map.' He has been giving Netanyahu (in Netanyahu's view) a lot of slack about it, but he has been pretty clear he wants a two-state solution.

Full Speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?ref=middleeast)

“We have a responsibility to join together on behalf of the world we seek,” he said. “A world where extremists no longer threaten our people, and American troops have come home; a world where Israelis and Palestinians are each secure in a state of their own, and nuclear energy (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/energy-environment/atomic-energy/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) is used for peaceful purposes; a world where governments serve their citizens, and the rights of all God’s children are respected.”

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love this quote:


But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words – within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

[Animalhill]

He has been a pretty hard line "No settlements in the West Bank" as it breaks the goals of the 'road map.' He has been giving Netanyahu (in Netanyahu's view) a lot of slack about it, but he has been pretty clear he wants a two-state solution.
I don't feel like any amount of diplomacy is going to secure and maintain a two-state solution. This is an ancient conflict that will probably never be resolved peacefully. However, I am for a two-state solution opposed to a U.S backing of either party.

[saysmydoctor]

The majority of the people on the ground want a two-state solution, I saw a poll at one point. A two-state solution would create a nation as poor as Bangladesh, most likely though. Which is sad.

[loveisdead]

Full Speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?ref=middleeast)



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love this quote:
Wow, that really is a great quote.

[saysmydoctor]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_re_mi_ea/obama_muslims_quote_box

Reactions from the muslim world

[shit stroll]

Full Speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?ref=middleeast)



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love this quote:
:appl:

[derekmoyer4]

i would say he delivered a solid speech, which comes as no surprise. it will be interesting to see what follows in the future.

[Takk...Ros]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_re_mi_ea/obama_muslims_quote_box

Reactions from the muslim world
Seems pretty mixed. That's not the most positive sign, but I guess it's better than all negatives.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Seems pretty mixed. That's not the most positive sign, but I guess it's better than all negatives.
Well lots of the negative reactions were to be expected. I don't think anyone should expect spokespeople from Hamas to react positivley towards Obama.

[saysmydoctor]

Stewart just ripped Fox News a new one concerning their coverage.

I'm not sure how Obama even hurt the intelligence community. Michelle Malkin has normal to bullshit translator, I'm assuming.

[jwicklun]

Full Speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?ref=middleeast)



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love this quote:
awesome quote. can't wait to see hannity to try to spin it into a anti-american speech.

[SlappedActor]

Excellent speech, with some great individual quotes.

It's a shame it won't change shit, but props to him anyway.

[MyWorldEntire]

It's a nice first step.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I thought it was a great speech. Incredibly fair. People have way too many opinions on it though.

[Love As Arson]

Obama once again praised the Arab Peace Initiative, saying only that Arabs should see it as 'an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities.' How should the Obama administration see it? Obama and his advisers are surely aware that the Initiative reiterates the long-standing international consensus calling for a two-state settlement on the international (pre-June '67) border, perhaps with 'minor and mutual modifications,' to borrow U.S. government usage before it departed sharply from world opinion in the 1970s, vetoing a Security Council resolution backed by the Arab 'confrontation states' (Egypt, Iran, Syria), and tacitly by the PLO, with the same essential content as the Arab Peace Initiative except that the latter goes beyond by calling on Arab states to normalize relations with Israel in the context of this political settlement. Obama has called on the Arab states to proceed with normalization, studiously ignoring, however, the crucial political settlement that is its precondition. The Initiative cannot be a 'beginning' if the U.S. continues to refuse to accept its core principles, even to acknowledge them.

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21632

[inevitable]

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's renaissance and enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it could be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy, and places of peaceful contemplation -- and throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

This was my favorite quote because it actually shows how big of a lying fool Obama is.

[Machu505]

I was unaware that pointing out historical facts makes you a lying fool. Weird.

[saysmydoctor]

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's renaissance and enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it could be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy, and places of peaceful contemplation -- and throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

This was my favorite quote because it actually shows how big of a lying fool Obama is.

What do you define as lying?

[GuitarR0cker1]

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's renaissance and enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it could be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy, and places of peaceful contemplation -- and throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

This was my favorite quote because it actually shows how big of a lying fool Obama is.

Yeah all of that history is a big fabrication by the liberal Islamic agenda being funded by Al-Qaeda!

[Smeee]

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's renaissance and enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it could be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy, and places of peaceful contemplation -- and throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

This was my favorite quote because it actually shows how big of a lying fool Obama is.


Yeah, please feel free to explain this.

[Machu505]

Yeah all of that history is a big fabrication by the liberal gay Islamic agenda being funded by Al-Qaeda!
Fixed.

[saysmydoctor]

I didn't notice 'gay' when it bolded to garner attention. I was like 'what's the difference?'

I really thought we had gotten over the Obama is a closet muslim who prays to Allah in his Senate office claims.

[open mind]

Obama once again praised the Arab Peace Initiative, saying only that Arabs should see it as 'an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities.' How should the Obama administration see it? Obama and his advisers are surely aware that the Initiative reiterates the long-standing international consensus calling for a two-state settlement on the international (pre-June '67) border, perhaps with 'minor and mutual modifications,' to borrow U.S. government usage before it departed sharply from world opinion in the 1970s, vetoing a Security Council resolution backed by the Arab 'confrontation states' (Egypt, Iran, Syria), and tacitly by the PLO, with the same essential content as the Arab Peace Initiative except that the latter goes beyond by calling on Arab states to normalize relations with Israel in the context of this political settlement. Obama has called on the Arab states to proceed with normalization, studiously ignoring, however, the crucial political settlement that is its precondition. The Initiative cannot be a 'beginning' if the U.S. continues to refuse to accept its core principles, even to acknowledge them.

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21632

it's a long standing u.s policy to present the palestinians with great speeches concerning the advancement of man and solutions to thier problems while simultaneously making those advances and solutions impossible...i can't see obama changing that radically when he's dealing with thwarting economic and enviormental ruin.

[inevitable]

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's renaissance and enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it could be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy, and places of peaceful contemplation -- and throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

This was my favorite quote because it actually shows how big of a lying fool Obama is.



Guys, historical facts should be accurately portrayed by our genius of a leader. The magnetic compass was invented by the chinese not Muslims. Even more recent research suggests the compass was developed in Central America. 9/11 and other horrendous events accurately show how tolerant Islam is of other religions. Now are all Islamists radicals? No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that some Islamists are not tolerant whatsoever. Algebra is traced back to ancient Babylonians (not muslims). Our understanding of diseases and disease spreading? I see no Muslim with a Nobel Prize concerning medicine.

You know what's even more embarrassing? The fact that he compared the Holocaust to what's happening to Palestinians. Yeah... it's a great speech, if you like being completely embarrassed.

[Animalhill]

Guys, historical facts should be accurately portrayed by our genius of a leader. The magnetic compass was invented by the chinese not Muslims. Even more recent research suggests the compass was developed in Central America. 9/11 and other horrendous events accurately show how tolerant Islam is of other religions. Now are all Islamists radicals? No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that some Islamists are not tolerant whatsoever. Algebra is traced back to ancient Babylonians (not muslims). Our understanding of diseases and disease spreading? I see no Muslim with a Nobel Prize concerning medicine.

You know what's even more embarrassing? The fact that he compared the Holocaust to what's happening to Palestinians. Yeah... it's a great speech, if you like being completely embarrassed.
Much, much worse atrocities have been commited in the name of Christianity.

[J.C.]

Guys, historical facts should be accurately portrayed by our genius of a leader. The magnetic compass was invented by the chinese not Muslims. Even more recent research suggests the compass was developed in Central America. 9/11 and other horrendous events accurately show how tolerant Islam is of other religions. Now are all Islamists radicals? No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that some Islamists are not tolerant whatsoever. Algebra is traced back to ancient Babylonians (not muslims). Our understanding of diseases and disease spreading? I see no Muslim with a Nobel Prize concerning medicine.

You know what's even more embarrassing? The fact that he compared the Holocaust to what's happening to Palestinians. Yeah... it's a great speech, if you like being completely embarrassed.

Much like how slavery and women's suffrage in this country's history typified Christianity.

amirite

[saysmydoctor]

Guys, historical facts should be accurately portrayed by our genius of a leader. The magnetic compass was invented by the chinese not Muslims. Even more recent research suggests the compass was developed in Central America. 9/11 and other horrendous events accurately show how tolerant Islam is of other religions. Now are all Islamists radicals? No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that some Islamists are not tolerant whatsoever. Algebra is traced back to ancient Babylonians (not muslims). Our understanding of diseases and disease spreading? I see no Muslim with a Nobel Prize concerning medicine.

You know what's even more embarrassing? The fact that he compared the Holocaust to what's happening to Palestinians. Yeah... it's a great speech, if you like being completely embarrassed.
It's pretty comparable, actually. I think what he said was spot on, but then again, I'm not a raging idiot and I know full well the compass rose was designed by the Arabs and algebra was brought to us by the arabs (the word algebra's etyomology can be traced back to arabs).

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

You know what's even more embarrassing? The fact that he compared the Holocaust to what's happening to Palestinians. .


Ya except he DIDN"T COMPARE THE TWO


Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction – or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews – is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.


Then in very next paragraph / breath.


On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people – Muslims and Christians – have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.

For decades, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive.



He is pointing out these simple facts:

a) The Jews suffered through the Holocaust.
b) The Palestinian suffered/still suffering through not having a homeland.
c) Both sides have gone through suffering

He is comparing how the two groups have gone through suffering on some level.

No where does he compare the levels of suffering or if one suffered more or less than the other or if one form of suffering was different , better , worse or equal to the others form of suffering.

This is basic reasoning / listening / reading comprehension.

[inevitable]

It's pretty comparable, actually. I think what he said was spot on, but then again, I'm not a raging idiot and I know full well the compass rose was designed by the Arabs and algebra was brought to us by the arabs (the word algebra's etyomology can be traced back to arabs).

Obviously you're not an idiot. Simple research will prove you're wrong. Do it.

[inevitable]

Much like how slavery and women's suffrage in this country's history typified Christianity.

amirite

No one said anything about Christianity, which makes what you said completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand... much like the others before you that have already stated basically the same thing. Thanks for your redundancy.

[saysmydoctor]

Obviously you're not an idiot. Simple research will prove you're wrong. Do it.
You are such a dumbass. Obviously, numerous bodies of people contributed to algebra, but it was the arabs who took the tiny pieces of it and made it what it is today. That is why they are credited with it. The US never created democracy in its original concept but they fine-combed it and made it what it is today. That's why the US is credited with modern democracy.

[saysmydoctor]

No one said anything about Christianity, which makes what you said completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand... much like the others before you that have already stated basically the same thing. Thanks for your redundancy.
You never say anything intelligent. But at least you're consistent.

[inevitable]

Ya except he DIDN"T COMPARE THE TWO



Then in very next paragraph / breath.





He is pointing out these simple facts:

a) The Jews suffered through the Holocaust.
b) The Palestinian suffered/still suffering through not having a homeland.
c) Both sides have gone through suffering

He is comparing how the two groups have gone through suffering on some level.

No where does he compare the levels of suffering or if one suffered more or less than the other or if one form of suffering was different , better , worse or equal to the others form of suffering.

This is basic reasoning / listening / reading comprehension.

So he is or is not comparing the two? Because you said at first he's not now you are saying he is. And the suffering is not even comparable. This is basic reasoning/listening/reading comprehension. You failed miserably at this.

[inevitable]

You never say anything intelligent. But at least your consistent.

Speaking of intelligence... Let's examine what I've just quoted from you. "You never say anything intelligent." That's a sentence. Good job! "But at least your consistent." That's not. Also, before attacking someones intelligence, at least make sure you can use your and you're in the correct context. Thank you!

[J.C.]

No one said anything about Christianity.

I just did.

[inevitable]

You are such a dumbass. Obviously, numerous bodies of people contributed to algebra, but it was the arabs who took the tiny pieces of it and made it what it is today. That is why they are credited with it. The US never created democracy in its original concept but they fine-combed it and made it what it is today. That's why the US is credited with modern democracy.

Right they are credited with algebra even though most scholars credit ancient Babylonians with it. Makes perfect sense, buddy.

[saysmydoctor]

Speaking of intelligence... Let's examine what I've just quoted from you. "You never say anything intelligent." That's a sentence. Good job! "But at least your consistent." That's not. Also, before attacking someones intelligence, at least make sure you can use your and you're in the correct context. Thank you!
Oh, wow, we're attacking typos. Grasping at straws. You proved my point, regardless of how I type.

[inevitable]

I just did.

Thank you for being irrelevant. It's such a great privilege to talk to people like you that cannot stay on topic!

[inevitable]

Oh, wow, we're attacking typos. Grasping at straws. You proved my point, regardless of how I type.

Not grasping at straws. I just showed that someone as unintelligent as yourself, should not be attacking someones intelligence. In fact, I think I showed how intelligent you truly are, and it's not my fault that you're a racist imbecile.

[inevitable]

Not grasping at straws. I just showed that someone as unintelligent as yourself, should not be attacking someones intelligence. In fact, I think I showed how intelligent you truly are, and it's not my fault that you're a racist imbecile.

For those that don't know why I called him a racist check out the post where he said he'd never listen or support a guy like Alan Keyes. I assume it's because he's black because when I don't support Barry, people on here say I'm racist.

[J.C.]

Thank you for being irrelevant. It's such a great privilege to talk to people like you that cannot stay on topic!

Equivalencies were completely relevant to this topic once you went out of your way to blame the actions of a few on the whole. Let me hear you condemn Christianity for some of the stuff that plagued our country from it's infancy then.

[saysmydoctor]

Right they are credited with algebra even though most scholars credit ancient Babylonians with it. Makes perfect sense, buddy.
REALLY THEY CREDIT BABYLONIANS WITH IT? That's why the Babylonians worked with zero and the arabs didn't. I think you are confusing the numeric system with algebra.

No one is denying the origins are easily traced back to Babylon. The development of mathematics is HEAVILY credited to the Arabs. Geometry, cryptography, linear algebra, decimal fractions, applied mathematics, trigonometry, the concept of zero was recognized by the arabs (unlike the Babylonians.).

This can all be figured by looking it up on Wikipedia, you fucking idiot.

[J.C.]

For those that don't know why I called him a racist check out the post where he said he'd never listen or support a guy like Alan Keyes. I assume it's because he's black because when I don't support Barry, people on here say I'm racist.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/strawman.jpg

[saysmydoctor]

For those that don't know why I called him a racist check out the post where he said he'd never listen or support a guy like Alan Keyes. I assume it's because he's black because when I don't support Barry, people on here say I'm racist.
You are fucking stupid. I'd never listen or support Alan Keyes because he is a fucking idiot. In this thread, you've made generalizations about palestinians and arabs.

You know, at least Justin_stacy and xshady can form arguments; you just come in here, say something alarmist and outrageous, wait for reaction, and then as we've nitpick at grammar and getting a rise out of people by calling them racist.