Gay Marriage Bill Passed in New Hampshire

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http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-gay-marriage-passes-new-hampshire-198-176/politics/2009/06/03/3080

198-176

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Awesome.

[J.C.]

GET WITH IT, RHODE ISLAND

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[samsara]

Thats amazing.

[Machu505]

I suggest that all New Englanders begin construction on bomb shelters. God is coming for you.

[RyanFTW]

Congrats New Ham homosexuals!

[saysmydoctor]

Sadly won't pass in New York.

[thespearkid]

Sadly won't pass in New York.
I always thought New York was pretty liberal.

[drivthru182]

Downstate is (the city and Long Island) but Upstate...not so much.

[saysmydoctor]

I always thought New York was pretty liberal.
Same with California, but the New York Senate has democrats with only a one seat advantage and even some democrats don't support it (while some republicans do).

[thespearkid]

Same with California, but the New York Senate has democrats with only a one seat advantage and even some democrats don't support it (while some republicans do).
Suppose it goes through the New York surpreme court? Any better odds there?

[saysmydoctor]

I don't even know the composition of the Court. But it's not like California in that sense, New Yorkers don't have the option of amending their constitution in that way.

[Praetor]

It's really only the city that's massively liberal in NY, the upstate/central area is pretty conservative from my experience.

Also with all the great developments in the gay marriage arena lately, I think we should have an official Gay Marriage thread. Thoughts?

[Mercy Medical]

Looks like NE is way ahead of schedule in their plan to legalize gay marriage in all the NE states by 2012. Rhode Island is the only one left, although the state is so small and I think they recognize out of state marriages, so it's not like it really matters all that much if they legalize it or not.

[Animalhill]

As someone who lives in NH, I CANNOT believe this bill passed. I'm all for it- its just... New Englanders in general are not very welcoming of that type of lifestyle. Lot of puritan up here still.

[Animalhill]

I suggest that all New Englanders begin construction on bomb shelters. God is coming for you.
Purchased the lumber from Home Depot last night. :viking:

[Mercy Medical]

As someone who lives in NH, I CANNOT believe this bill passed. I'm all for it- its just... New Englanders in general are not very welcoming of that type of lifestyle. Lot of puritan up here still.
NE are not welcoming of that type of lifestyle? I thought NE was known to be one of the most liberal areas in the US...especially since all the NE states, with the exception of RI have now legalized gay marriage.

[saysmydoctor]

It's really only the city that's massively liberal in NY, the upstate/central area is pretty conservative from my experience.
Definitely in the rural Upstate, but Rochester-Buffalo, Syracuse, surprisingly Binghamton, Albany-Schenectady-Troy, and obviously NYC/LI are all overwhelmingly liberal.

[Animalhill]

NE are not welcoming of that type of lifestyle? I thought NE was known to be one of the most liberal areas in the US...especially since all the NE states, with the exception of RI have now legalized gay marriage.
It really varies with which part of which state you are in. NH is also very different than VT or MA or ME. We are considered the "assholes of New England". Very, very emotionally closed- and very unwilling to disrupt the status-quo of "values".

[Mercy Medical]

It really varies with which part of which state you are in. NH is also very different than VT or MA or ME. We are considered the "assholes of New England". Very, very emotionally closed- and very unwilling to disrupt the status-quo of "values".
Do you know about all the libertarians that have moved up there to places like Keane and Manchester? Haha, I only ask because I listen to a podcast called Free Talk Live and they're trying to do this whole "Free State Project" and get a bunch of libertarians up to NH to start some kind of movement.

[Animalhill]

Do you know about all the libertarians that have moved up there to places like Keane and Manchester? Haha, I only ask because I listen to a podcast called Free Talk Live and they're trying to do this whole "Free State Project" and get a bunch of libertarians up to NH to start some kind of movement.
Hahaha I actually punched the leader of the "Keene Faction" in the face at a party one night for bringing a handgun to my friends house. They majority of the Keene libertarian movement lived on the street of the apartment I just moved out of.

[Mercy Medical]

Hahaha I actually punched the leader of the "Keene Faction" in the face at a party one night for bringing a handgun to my friends house. They majority of the Keene libertarian movement lived on the street of the apartment I just moved out of.
Hahaha, really? What do you think of all those people? I'm interested to hear someone else's perspective because I always hear what they have to say about how people view them in NH, but obviously you never hear the other side.

[Animalhill]

Hahaha, really? What do you think of all those people? I'm interested to hear someone else's perspective because I always hear what they have to say about how people view them in NH, but obviously you never hear the other side.
I am VERY open to other people having their own personal political/religious beliefs and ecourage people to do so. With that being said, the majority of those people are INSUFFERABLE. They carry around leather bound books, regurgitating quotations and touting anarchy as the most logical form of "government". They constantly try to push their ideals onto people and get upset when New Hampshireites tell them to fuck off. I can't even begin to explain to you how unintelligent the vast majority of them are.

[Mercy Medical]

I am VERY open to other people having their own personal political/religious beliefs and ecourage people to do so. With that being said, the majority of those people are INSUFFERABLE. They carry around leather bound books, regurgitating quotations and touting anarchy as the most logical form of "government". They constantly try to push their ideals onto people and get upset when New Hampshireites tell them to fuck off. I can't even begin to explain to you how unintelligent the vast majority of them are.
The two guys that do the radio show actually seem relatively intelligent. I mean, I get what they are trying to do and I agree with some of the things they believe in, HOWEVER, it's a total pipe dream. It's a fantasy as the world they would like to live in is essentially a perfect one where everyone gets to live how they please and no one "egresses on their neighbor" and there is no government, yet everything runs smoothly. In a perfect world, that would be fantastic, but they forget to include the human condition where people are cruel, greedy, mean, selfish and so on and so forth.

They are never going to achieve their fantasy world, regardless of how hard they try because it is just that, a fantasy.

[Animalhill]

The two guys that do the radio show actually seem relatively intelligent. I mean, I get what they are trying to do and I agree with some of the things they believe in, HOWEVER, it's a total pipe dream. It's a fantasy as the world they would like to live in is essentially a perfect one where everyone gets to live how they please and no one "egresses on their neighbor" and there is no government, yet everything runs smoothly. In a perfect world, that would be fantastic, but they forget to include the human condition where people are cruel, greedy, mean, selfish and so on and so forth.

They are never going to achieve their fantasy world, regardless of how hard they try because it is just that, a fantasy.

This is EXACTLY what I tell them. When I brought up the point of who would assist me in paying for my schizophrenia meds, they say "Your neighbors". They are just unrealistic to the degree where I cannot take anything they say seriously.

[Mercy Medical]

This is EXACTLY what I tell them. When I brought up the point of who would assist me in paying for my schizophrenia meds, they say "Your neighbors". They are just unrealistic to the degree where I cannot take anything they say seriously.
And that's where I draw the line. I suppose I sort of see myself as a "light" libertarian as I tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal...but those guys are just crazy. Privatizing roads? Who is going to pay for the repair, the owner? Well then every single road you drive on is going to be a toll road so the private owner can cover the costs for repair. Privatizing mail? How in the hell is that honestly going to work for standard letters? Privatizing security and police officers? Okay, yes, that is completely feasible!

I mean, I adhere to their "live and let live" attitude, but there's absolutely no way in a country this size to completely rid ourselves of government.

[Animalhill]

And that's where I draw the line. I suppose I sort of see myself as a "light" libertarian as I tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal...but those guys are just crazy. Privatizing roads? Who is going to pay for the repair, the owner? Well then every single road you drive on is going to be a toll road so the private owner can cover the costs for repair. Privatizing mail? How in the hell is that honestly going to work for standard letters? Privatizing security and police officers? Okay, yes, that is completely feasible!

I mean, I adhere to their "live and let live" attitude, but there's absolutely no way in a country this size to completely rid ourselves of government.
Exactly. Their solution is to privatize EVERYTHING. When they brought up privatizing polive forces to me, I responded with "So if someone kills my mother- who funds the investigation?" Response: "You". I've totally given up one trying to have intelligent converstations with them. Half of them are sociopaths that believe they are heart of a revolution- so any opposition, be it even verbal and casual, is met with indignation.

[Mercy Medical]

Exactly. Their solution is to privatize EVERYTHING. When they brought up privatizing polive forces to me, I responded with "So if someone kills my mother- who funds the investigation?" Response: "You". I've totally given up one trying to have intelligent converstations with them. Half of them are sociopaths that believe they are heart of a revolution- so any opposition, be it even verbal and casual, is met with indignation.
You might want to move out of there before the secede!

[Animalhill]

You might want to move out of there before the secede!
Haha well funny you mention that, because I am moving to Philadelphia with my band after this summer.

[Mercy Medical]

Haha well funny you mention that, because I am moving to Philadelphia with my band after this summer.
Good thing, they've been talking about it a lot on FTL! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN! lol

[Animalhill]

Good thing, they've been talking about it a lot on FTL! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN! lol
Haha unfortunately most of these people have relocated to NH, and have no idea what the typical NHite is like. They will fail.

[Ryan Mills]

As someone who lives in NH, I CANNOT believe this bill passed. I'm all for it- its just... New Englanders in general are not very welcoming of that type of lifestyle. Lot of puritan up here still.

I'm surprised you feel that way. Although I go to school now in Indiana, I lived in NH my whole life before that, and I think of it as being pretty liberal.

I think it's sort of funny how afraid people are of gay marriage. Quite pathetic in my book. Another good example of morons being unable to separate church from state. Whether a particular church or private organization wants to marry gay couples is their own business, but whether we afford the same rights to a group of people based on their sexual orientation is not. Marriage is also a civil institution and it comes with certain benefits. Not affording that right to some people is called one thing and one thing only: discrimination. All these homophobes are going to look as dumb to people in 40 years as the people who believed in "separate but equal" do to us today.

[Ryan Mills]

It really varies with which part of which state you are in. NH is also very different than VT or MA or ME. We are considered the "assholes of New England". Very, very emotionally closed- and very unwilling to disrupt the status-quo of "values".

Do you live in hick-ville or something? Because I think you're way off base. Plus, Massholes are the assholes of New England.

[Animalhill]

Do you live in hick-ville or something? Because I think you're way off base. Plus, Massholes are the assholes of New England.
I'm from Keene, which is southwest NH- and yes, it is pretty much hickville. I have lots of friends from vermont who consider NHites assholes (for the most part) and same with friends in ME and MA. I really don't feel offbase at all- I was born in Concord and lived there for about 12 years, then moved to Keene. For being considered a "liberal" state, the election results are always very, very close. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that this bill passed, I'm just saying that with the exclusion of Concord and Manchester, NH is a pretty conservative place.

[AloneInTheDark]

I'm from Keene, which is southwest NH- and yes, it is pretty much hickville. I have lots of friends from vermont who consider NHites assholes (for the most part) and same with friends in ME and MA. I really don't feel offbase at all- I was born in Concord and lived there for about 12 years, then moved to Keene. For being considered a "liberal" state, the election results are always very, very close. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that this bill passed, I'm just saying that with the exclusion of Concord and Manchester, NH is a pretty conservative place.

I was just going to ask you if you've ever walked the streets of Manchester on a Friday night? It's one of the few places I feel extremely comfortable appearing "gay", whether that's holding hands with my significant other or venturing between the bars.

I'm really surprised that NH passed this law before Rhode Island however, I've always found RI to be more accepting of the community, this is politics I guess.

edit: I take it you've seen Jumanji?

[Animalhill]

I was just going to ask you if you've ever walked the streets of Manchester on a Friday night? It's one of the few places I feel extremely comfortable appearing "gay", whether that's holding hands with my significant other or venturing between the bars.

I'm really surprised that NH passed this law before Rhode Island however, I've always found RI to be more accepting of the community, this is politics I guess.

edit: I take it you've seen Jumanji?
Dude: They made us watch that in school like, honestly 3 times every year from when it was made (I was in first grade) until I graduted Highschool. Its one of Keene's three claims to fame, the others being Pumpkinfest and Mt. Monadnock.

[AloneInTheDark]

Dude: They made us watch that in school like, honestly 3 times every year from when it was made (I was in first grade) until I graduted Highschool. Its one of Keene's three claims to fame, the others being Pumpkinfest and Mt. Monadnock.

Haha I wasn't aware of it until I drove through there and it was pointed out to me, but it's pretty cool nonetheless. I feel bad that you live in Keene, it's a bitch to get there, and a bitch to get out. But it's also a whole lot more homey than Nashua.

[Animalhill]

Haha I wasn't aware of it until I drove through there and it was pointed out to me, but it's pretty cool nonetheless. I feel bad that you live in Keene, it's a bitch to get there, and a bitch to get out. But it's also a whole lot more homey than Nashua.
It sucks man. Its a black hole- full of either rich trust fund college bros or crackhead townies. Moving to Philly after this summer= FUCK YES

[jwicklun]

god dammit california. get with the program!

[AloneInTheDark]

It sucks man. Its a black hole- full of either rich trust fund college bros or crackhead townies. Moving to Philly after this summer= FUCK YES

Yes it's a place I did not enjoy, I went there and walked around for a while, it was a nifty place, but it was a drag.

I love Manchester though, and after moving out of RI to come up this way, I'd never think of going back.

[Animalhill]

Yes it's a place I did not enjoy, I went there and walked around for a while, it was a nifty place, but it was a drag.

I love Manchester though, and after moving out of RI to come up this way, I'd never think of going back.
Dope man. My band plays shows in Manchvegas all the time.

[J.C.]

I'm surprised you feel that way. Although I go to school now in Indiana, I lived in NH my whole life before that, and I think of it as being pretty liberal.

New Hampshire's liberal compared to most of the country, but they're conservative by New England standards(which I do feel is the most liberal part of the country). I don't think it's that surprising the bill passed, to me at least.

[AloneInTheDark]

Dope man. My band plays shows in Manchvegas all the time.

Where abouts do you guys usually play? I'm always up for catching a show.

[Animalhill]

Where abouts do you guys usually play? I'm always up for catching a show.
We generally play at Rockos. I'll let you know the next time we have a show there if you'd like

[AloneInTheDark]

Definitely man!

[saysmydoctor]

If I remember correctly, isn't New Hampshire the state with a very strong libertarian movement?

[macabre]

If I remember correctly, isn't New Hampshire the state with a very strong libertarian movement?

Yep. In fact, a bunch of libertarians have moved or are planning on moving there because they have no sales or income tax.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

[Animalhill]

If I remember correctly, isn't New Hampshire the state with a very strong libertarian movement?
Ugh. Yes and no. A ton of them recently moved to NH to try and swing votes, but are by no means strong or incredibly numbered. See the conversation I had with Mercy on the previous pages.

[saysmydoctor]

Well the price of living in New Hampshire is cheaper, it is one of the least populated states so it doesn't have to pay for huge school districts, etc, etc, so I would think that would decrease the need for these income and sales taxes. That's just my assumption.

[Animalhill]

Well the price of living in New Hampshire is cheaper, it is one of the least populated states so it doesn't have to pay for huge school districts, etc, etc, so I would think that would decrease the need for these income and sales taxes. That's just my assumption.
True- but since we don't have a sales tax (and also for many other reasons) our property taxes are through the roof.

[saysmydoctor]

Hmm. Interesting.

[Animalhill]

Hmm. Interesting.
sarcasm?

[saysmydoctor]

No, I didn't know that about NH property taxes. Kind of seems like a bad sell to say there is no sales tax, no income tax.

[Mercy Medical]

No, I didn't know that about NH property taxes. Kind of seems like a bad sell to say there is no sales tax, no income tax.
It's a great sell for the libertarians who don't believe there should be any tax. It's one less tax they have to pay.

[Animalhill]

No, I didn't know that about NH property taxes. Kind of seems like a bad sell to say there is no sales tax, no income tax.
Oh word. Sorry- 9 hours in the office today. My brain is FRIED right now, thus my sarcasm meter is broken.

[Ryan Mills]

I'm from Keene, which is southwest NH- and yes, it is pretty much hickville. I have lots of friends from vermont who consider NHites assholes (for the most part) and same with friends in ME and MA. I really don't feel offbase at all- I was born in Concord and lived there for about 12 years, then moved to Keene. For being considered a "liberal" state, the election results are always very, very close. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that this bill passed, I'm just saying that with the exclusion of Concord and Manchester, NH is a pretty conservative place.

I lived in Keene when I was younger, so I can't say much about that. Before moving for school, however, I lived, and went to college, on the coastline, and it's pretty liberal, at least from everything I saw. That could just be the people I was exposed to, and the fact that some of that time was on a college campus.

[Ryan Mills]

No, I didn't know that about NH property taxes. Kind of seems like a bad sell to say there is no sales tax, no income tax.

Well, I like the seacoast the most, personally, so what you do is live in Maine (lower property taxes), but work and shop in NH (no income tax or sales tax). Then you're working the system.

[Dan1234]

I'm from Keene, which is southwest NH- and yes, it is pretty much hickville. I have lots of friends from vermont who consider NHites assholes (for the most part) and same with friends in ME and MA. I really don't feel offbase at all- I was born in Concord and lived there for about 12 years, then moved to Keene. For being considered a "liberal" state, the election results are always very, very close. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that this bill passed, I'm just saying that with the exclusion of Concord and Manchester, NH is a pretty conservative place.


really? Every county in the state voted Obama

[Animalhill]

really? Every county in the state voted Obama
This most recent election was the exception, given how badly Bush fucked the pooch, and I bet you he didn't win by a very large margin in most counties.

[Animalhill]

I lived in Keene when I was younger, so I can't say much about that. Before moving for school, however, I lived, and went to college, on the coastline, and it's pretty liberal, at least from everything I saw. That could just be the people I was exposed to, and the fact that some of that time was on a college campus.
Yeah, I feel like the coast, especially near a college campus, is much more liberal. Ah, I love the NH coast.

[AloneInTheDark]

Yeah, I feel like the coast, especially near a college campus, is much more liberal. Ah, I love the NH coast.

I'm so excited for the summer, I've never ventured up to the coast, I really want to go to Hampton this summer.

[Animalhill]

I'm so excited for the summer, I've never ventured up to the coast, I really want to go to Hampton this summer.
Just went there yesterday actually. Its pretty chill- I wouldn't settle for for Hampton beach (over-crowded. Drive up the cost and pick one of the smaller ones). Also, if you burn green, Route 1A up the coast is a superb burn cruise :thumbup:

[AloneInTheDark]

Just went there yesterday actually. Its pretty chill- I wouldn't settle for for Hampton beach (over-crowded. Drive up the cost and pick one of the smaller ones). Also, if you burn green, Route 1A up the coast is a superb burn cruise :thumbup:

I do, and I'll keep that in mind. But NH is few and far between when it comes to finding green :P

[Animalhill]

I do, and I'll keep that in mind. But NH is few and far between when it comes to finding green :P
Nah man! You're looking in the wrong places. Keene = bud city.