Dating a girl who believes in Creationism.

[goodnews]

I have a thing with this girl, and she's a genuine and cool person. She's a ton of fun to be around, she's honest, she has great taste in music, she's cute, etc. However, she does not believe in evolution. This is ridiculous. What do I do?

[.invisible ink.]

you could either try and enlighten her, or just never have that conversation again? if she's cool otherwise and not totally religious (if that's not your thing) then ignore it and just be happy that you found someone cool.

[Animalhill]

I have a thing with this girl, and she's a genuine and cool person. She's a ton of fun to be around, she's honest, she has great taste in music, she's cute, etc. However, she does not believe in evolution. This is ridiculous. What do I do?
Honestly- put it aside bro. You are probably not going to marry this girl- and being so young, just have a good time and concentrate on the aspects of her that you enjoy.

[Reaver]

Honestly- put it aside bro. You are probably not going to marry this girl- and being so young, just have a good time and concentrate on the aspects of her that you enjoy.

what he means is fuck her.

and anal, of course.

[abbysmith]

Just accept her for who she is. You wont have everything in common with her and if believing that makes her happy, then let her be.

[Animalhill]

what he means is fuck her.

and anal, of course.
Well I was trying to dim it down a bit, but yes- essentially (though why walk around to the back door if the front is unlocked and swept???) Oy vey.

[Five-Star]

Tell her to watch X-Men.

[billyboatkid]

Tell her to sit on it.

[Reaver]

Tell her to sit on it.

bahaahaa, that together with your avatar just made my day.

[Smash Adams]

fuck her wearing a dinosaur costume

oh wait I just read your post and it was actually relevant

[.invisible ink.]

Well I was trying to dim it down a bit, but yes- essentially (though why walk around to the back door if the front is unlocked and swept???) Oy vey.

haha, i love it. you are very wise.

[billyboatkid]

bahaahaa, that together with your avatar just made my day.
:bow:
hahaha

[Animalhill]

haha, i love it. you are very wise.
I will make a great father someday. :jawdrop:

[ZachTBP]

honestly, I'm on her side, haha, I'm a christian, so I cant be much help with that part of it...

but honestly man, if you love her or want to get to the point where you love her, you need to not let that get in the way, and shouldnt let it get in the way. it'll obviously always be something between you two, but just put it aside bro!

best of luck!

[.invisible ink.]

I will make a great father someday. :jawdrop:

want some practice?

[The Revisionist]

Who cares dude, just date her. Different beliefs and past histories are great for learning more about each other and why they believe what and how it has helped form them into who they are.

[Smeee]

Meh. You can have bigger problems. My last girlfriend turned out not to believe in gravity.

[Kassie09]

Who cares? As long as you're not going to push your beliefs on each other..it shouldn't even slightly matter.

[Animalhill]

want some practice?
:poke: hahaha I couldn't help but respond with this. As my child-hood report card comments indicated, "Samuel severely lacks self-control". : )

[ammar]

2 pages and still no pics?

[Smash Adams]

Meh. You can have bigger problems. My last girlfriend turned out not to believe in gravity.
Did you push her off the bed and scream "that's fucking gravity for ya"?

[.invisible ink.]

:poke: hahaha I couldn't help but respond with this. As my child-hood report card comments indicated, "Samuel severely lacks self-control". : )

self-control is overrated. especially in public.

[Animalhill]

self-control is overrated. especially in public.
THATS what I told my teachers growing up- but they wouldn't seem to listen.

[Smeee]

Did you push her off the bed and scream "that's fucking gravity for ya"?

Naturally. Hence the "last girlfriend" part.

[TotalCollapse]

Is it really that big of a deal?

[Regards]

I have a thing with this girl, and she's a genuine and cool person. She's a ton of fun to be around, she's honest, she has great taste in music, she's cute, etc. However, she does not believe in evolution. This is ridiculous. What do I do?
Have you thought of listening to her arguments and then replying with your own? Should make for a good chat.

[Jake Denning]

I've always sorta thought Creationism and Evolution to sorta co-exist.

[mattmatumbo]

Does it matter that much?

[screamoutmyname]

All I saw on the front page was "Dating a girl who believes in..." and I was trying to predict what would finish the topic.

Bummed that it wasn't "...Santa Claus"

[killerswells]

fuck her wearing a dinosaur costume

oh wait I just read your post and it was actually relevant

lolz.

[Mibabalou]

I have a thing with this girl, and she's a genuine and cool person. She's a ton of fun to be around, she's honest, she has great taste in music, she's cute, etc. However, she does not believe in evolution. This is ridiculous. What do I do?

hit her with the cannon a few times in the butt

[4N6 science]

get rid of here. If she believes a fictitious story then she's worthless.

[ZachTBP]

want some practice?


haha, ohhhh man =P

[GetWellBoss]

want some practice?

you have children that you lend out to others?

[.invisible ink.]

you have children that you lend out to others?

hahaha, no, but i can see how it could be taken that way.

i will not be ruining my perfect box by pushing a child through it anytime soon.

[Reaver]

you have children that you lend out to others?

you idiot! she just wants to f.

[4N6 science]

hahaha, no, but i can see how it could be taken that way.

i will not be ruining my perfect box by pushing a child through it anytime soon.


well hello! perfect box eh? what makes it perfect?

[.invisible ink.]

you idiot! she just wants to f.
yes, i'm 99% sure he got that and was just being silly. ;-)

well hello! perfect box eh? what makes it perfect?

it's mine for starters. anything else you'd like to know?

[Reaver]

yes, i'm 99% sure he got that and was just being silly. ;-)


awwwwwww, you spoiled it!

[4N6 science]

yes, i'm 99% sure he got that and was just being silly. ;-)



it's mine for starters. anything else you'd like to know?


yes what are the criteria besides it being yours that makes it perfect?

[LaDiabla]

Have sex like a t-rex.

[.invisible ink.]

yes what are the criteria besides it being yours that makes it perfect?

let's just say it's something that must be experienced to be fully appreciated. words wouldn't do it justice.

[4N6 science]

let's just say it's something that must be experienced to be fully appreciated. words wouldn't do it justice.

ahhh I gotcha! Well I would hope one day I could join that elite group.

[.invisible ink.]

ahhh I gotcha! Well I would hope one day I could join that elite group.

many try, most will fail. it's not a "group" per se, i'm far more discerning than that. you're welcome to keep trying though. ;-)

[pilot_light_out]

i couldnt put up with that..

[4N6 science]

many try, most will fail. it's not a "group" per se, i'm far more discerning than that. you're welcome to keep trying though. ;-)


ahhh yes its like the lost city of gold. many try and find it few do. I will keep trying though as seeing perfection is my ultimate goal in life.

[.invisible ink.]

ahhh yes its like the lost city of gold. many try and find it few do. I will keep trying though as seeing perfection is my ultimate goal in life.

you make it sound like it's hidden deep in some mysterious forest. trust me, it's not hidden behind anything, if you get what i mean.

[4N6 science]

you make it sound like it's hidden deep in some mysterious forest. trust me, it's not hidden behind anything, if you get what i mean.

I read you loud and clear! But I must continue my quest to this barren land.

[GetWellBoss]

hahaha, no, but i can see how it could be taken that way.

i will not be ruining my perfect box by pushing a child through it anytime soon.

good call. i vote for c-sections. and it totally is perfect. trust me guys. ive seen it. hahahaha.
you idiot! she just wants to f.

i know. i was kidding.

yes, i'm 99% sure he got that and was just being silly. ;-)


yup.

[.invisible ink.]

good call. i vote for c-sections. and it totally is perfect. trust me guys. ive seen it. hahahaha.


yeah, that week in Paris was unforgettable. your cock was magnificent, as always.

[AndrewIcex]

Tap it then scrap it.

[uglystar03]

Well, if you aren't marrying her, what is the harm? There is no way I could be seriously involved with someone that believes in something as absurd as Creationism, but I don't think that would stop me from sleeping with someone with those beliefs. How can you believe in something when there is obvious evidence disproving it?

[newtothis]

It's a pretty big thing, depending on how important it is to you. Quite frankly, not talking about it isn't going to work. It will come up. Trying to ignore the issue is like blindly believing Clinton when he claimed that he "didn't have sexual relations with that woman." Foolishness.

[phil19]

as stupid as you may find her beliefs, it doesnt need to be a problem. If she doesnt go on about it, or mock your belief in evolution, then give her the same courtesy. You said everything else about her is good, focus on those things. different beliefs dont mean you cant have a great relationship. its about mutual respect and tolerance.

[more heart]

There's no hope for her.

[Ailite]

Dump her immediatly she will bring plagues upon you get out while you still can

[caress me down]

Oh god I would love to give the "accept who for who she is" advice but this would NOT work for me at all

[WordsandMusic]

youre lucky she doesnt believe in evolution. means she can think for herself. also, I feel the need to point out that evolution is a THEORY, in the same vein as my theory, when I was single, "if I get a girl drunk, she'll put out." Not true.

[WordsandMusic]

Well, if you aren't marrying her, what is the harm? There is no way I could be seriously involved with someone that believes in something as absurd as Creationism, but I don't think that would stop me from sleeping with someone with those beliefs. How can you believe in something when there is obvious evidence disproving it?

obvious evidence? like the scores of books written 100 million years ago? Eeeerr wait... Its not that I have a problem with the belief itself, its just...its interesting what people will believe so blindly just because a "scientist" has "proven" it. Personally, Id rather believe I was created by a God, then that I crawled out of goop, somehow, grew feet, somehow, morphed into a biped, somehow, grew fur, somehow, lost fur, somehow and now am a man.

[newtothis]

obvious evidence? like the scores of books written 100 million years ago? Eeeerr wait... Its not that I have a problem with the belief itself, its just...its interesting what people will believe so blindly just because a "scientist" has "proven" it. Personally, Id rather believe I was created by a God, then that I crawled out of goop, somehow, grew feet, somehow, morphed into a biped, somehow, grew fur, somehow, lost fur, somehow and now am a man.

Well said.

[limepomegranate]

obvious evidence? like the scores of books written 100 million years ago? Eeeerr wait... Its not that I have a problem with the belief itself, its just...its interesting what people will believe so blindly just because a "scientist" has "proven" it. Personally, Id rather believe I was created by a God, then that I crawled out of goop, somehow, grew feet, somehow, morphed into a biped, somehow, grew fur, somehow, lost fur, somehow and now am a man.
uhm you didn't crawl out of goop...unless your mom's vagina is all goopy...

[AndrewIcex]

Hahaha goopy! gross!

[fadedmemories]

The majority of the world does not believe in evolution. Deal with it.

[.invisible ink.]

The majority of the world does not believe in evolution. Deal with it.

where the heck did you get that statistic? i don't believe it.

[fadedmemories]

where the heck did you get that statistic? i don't believe it.
There is still a far bigger number of people practicing Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity or any religion who believe in a godlike figure than those who practice Atheism/don't believe in a supreme being who created the world.

[killerswells]

obvious evidence? like the scores of books written 100 million years ago? Eeeerr wait... Its not that I have a problem with the belief itself, its just...its interesting what people will believe so blindly just because a "scientist" has "proven" it. Personally, Id rather believe I was created by a God, then that I crawled out of goop, somehow, grew feet, somehow, morphed into a biped, somehow, grew fur, somehow, lost fur, somehow and now am a man.

yeah, who does this scientist guy think he is, with his university degrees, loads of testing and retesting, scientific review boards, and nationally published research?
he's not fooling me one bit.

[Reaver]

yeah, who does this scientist guy think he is, with his university degrees, loads of testing and retesting, scientific review boards, and nationally published research?
he's not fooling me one bit.

hahaha, you do a great job at amusing me.
thanks, I'm totally in a good mood now :)

[killerswells]

hahaha, you do a great job at amusing me.
thanks, I'm totally in a good mood now :)

glad i can provide some amusement.

[Fallinto_rhythm]

kick her to the curb if it's that big of an issue

[paper halo]

There is still a far bigger number of people practicing Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity or any religion who believe in a godlike figure than those who practice Atheism/don't believe in a supreme being who created the world.

Assuming that believing in evolution makes one an atheist is hugely idiotic. Evolution can be proven, to deny it's occurrence is foolish, plenty of Christians accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs.

[thespearkid]

Major disagreements on issues like this don't necessarily have to ruin a relationship. Just know that whenever it comes up, you two will probably argue. Also, let's not turn this into a religious debate thread.

[newtothis]

Major disagreements on issues like this don't necessarily have to ruin a relationship. Just know that whenever it comes up, you two will probably argue. Also, let's not turn this into a religious debate thread.

Then again, it all depends on how important it is to them. It could mean some fierce arguments.

[OveriseFan]

There is still a far bigger number of people practicing Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity or any religion who believe in a godlike figure than those who practice Atheism/don't believe in a supreme being who created the world.

You can have your religious beliefs and still believe in evolution.

I went to Catholic School for 9 years (thank you in advance for your pity...) and was always taught that you can believe in evolution and still be Christian. The key is to believe that God started it all. You can believe in the "Big Bang" theory, but you believe that God created that bang. And you can believe in evolution as long as you believe that WHATEVER the first thing was that we evolved from, God created it.

[The Personist]

The sharpest minds of modern religion don't believe in creationism.

That said, i think if you truly care about the girl you should be able to find meaning in the relationship beyond this issue.

[Smeee]

Assuming that believing in evolution makes one an atheist is hugely idiotic. Evolution can be proven, to deny it's occurrence is foolish, plenty of Christians accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs.

No it can't. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen/is not happening.

[OveriseFan]

No it can't. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen/is not happening.

It can't be "proven" per se, but all the evidence has become overwhelming to the point where it's accepted by the scientific community as a whole.

To those of you who are saying that evolution is merely a "theory" - I ask you to look up the definition of a scientific theory, so you stop looking ignorant.

[Smeee]

It can't be "proven" per se, but all the evidence has become overwhelming to the point where it's accepted by the scientific community as a whole.

To those of you who are saying that evolution is merely a "theory" - I ask you to look up the definition of a scientific theory, so you stop looking ignorant.

Don't worry, I "believe" in evolution. The evidence points towards it and it is the most plausible explanation. Still, I'm not happy with saying that it's "proven".

[Animalhill]

No it can't. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen/is not happening.
Yes it can. The Theory of Evolution by Darwin and the general evolution of species are two seperate issues. The key controversy to the Darwinian model is Natural Selection, instead of "Divine Selection"

[The Personist]

Yes it can. The Theory of Evolution by Darwin and the general evolution of species are two seperate issues. The key controversy to the Darwinian model is Natural Selection, instead of "Divine Selection"

Thank you.

[Animalhill]

Thank you.
De nada. Its alarming that some people don't know that.

[WordsandMusic]

yeah, who does this scientist guy think he is, with his university degrees, loads of testing and retesting, scientific review boards, and nationally published research?
he's not fooling me one bit.

and who teaches the classes, issues the degrees, creates the testing methods, and approve the research for publication? Cousin slimy fish. Not much of a credible source. Science is great, dont get me wrong. But when people try to explain things they simply cannot know a thing about, then I have issues. Want to research cancer? Sure, find some present-day cancerous tissue and go to it. Want to research the origon of the human race? Good luck, unless you're 100 billion years old.

[WordsandMusic]

PS-there is no "evidence" of the earth being billions of years old, nor of humans coming from primordial goo. Sorry cats. There's plently of assumptions, and best guess scenarios, but thats all. And please don't tell me they have a machine that can date things to 100 billion years, there is NO point of reference for it. No one owns a 100 billion year old hunk of rock to look at and say "yep, this other piece looks about that old". No point of reference, no deal.

[jawstheme]

Would you still be upset if she believed in God, but still bought into some of the things from evolution? I think you're a jackass for making this an issue either way, but I'm just curious.

[The Personist]

PS-there is no "evidence" of the earth being billions of years old, nor of humans coming from primordial goo. Sorry cats. There's plently of assumptions, and best guess scenarios, but thats all. And please don't tell me they have a machine that can date things to 100 billion years, there is NO point of reference for it. No one owns a 100 billion year old hunk of rock to look at and say "yep, this other piece looks about that old". No point of reference, no deal.

The earth is only 4.5 billion years old. That's why there's no evidence of it being 100 billion years old.

[killerswells]

PS-there is no "evidence" of the earth being billions of years old, nor of humans coming from primordial goo. Sorry cats. There's plently of assumptions, and best guess scenarios, but thats all. And please don't tell me they have a machine that can date things to 100 billion years, there is NO point of reference for it. No one owns a 100 billion year old hunk of rock to look at and say "yep, this other piece looks about that old". No point of reference, no deal.

wow.

[.invisible ink.]

Assuming that believing in evolution makes one an atheist is hugely idiotic. Evolution can be proven, to deny it's occurrence is foolish, plenty of Christians accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs.


thank you, this is what i would have said. i wasn't able to respond earlier, apparently my job thinks that this thread is too dangerous to allow me into while on their server. :shrug:

[zion the lion]

How much of an idiot does someone have to be to make an issue out of something this small? Pathetic.

[Reaver]

once i was dating a girl who was vegan. and she was like really obsessed with it and even made the first signs of convincing me to become one too, on the first date.
i was like wow, wtf. i wasn't in ap then, but i don't think i'd have made a thread bout it, haha.

[googirl8907]

Deal with it. If she doesn't have a problem with it, why should you?

[goodnews]

I personally think that believing in Creationism is literally insane. To completely reject scientific evidence and instead accept ridiculous mythology is not a sign of rational thought. That's all.

[wewascontenders]

i have a thing with a girl who's "edge", does it make thing's different at times? yeah. is it something to make a big deal of? no.

[newtothis]

I personally think that believing in Creationism is literally insane. To completely reject scientific evidence and instead accept ridiculous mythology is not a sign of rational thought. That's all.

So is blindly believing what your teacher tells you in Biology.

[yves.]

So is blindly believing what your teacher tells you in Biology.

yes, because your teacher isn't telling you something that has been studied in depth since the 1800s.

[doppelganger]

theistic evolution

[The Personist]

Again, most intelligent modern theologists have no qualms with evolution.

[whiterussian]

holy shit, creationists on ap.

evolution can be proved very quickly:
4 in a hundred flies survive a pesticide, they multiply, and then the population is all resistant. in sum: they adapt.
evolution, though complex (since it has been at work for so long), is common sense.
God is in no way out of the question.

so don't say science is silly. if you want respect for your beliefs (because you're not going to change anyone else's) try respecting the work of countless scientists and the logic behind them. unlike you, they had to prove what they inferred.


to OP: it depends on how often the issues appears, (and if she can respect what other people believe). if almost never, stay the course.

to be human is to be logical and yet have beliefs that are mostly illogical.
I'd take her over so many other flaws.
do the pros and cons. don't disrespect her if that is the only thing.

[deathinkosovo]

Deal with it. If she doesn't have a problem with it, why should you?

This is exactly what I was going to say. I like killing people, but my ex-girlfriend has a problem with it. I said, "If I don't have a problem with killing people, why should you?" She dumped me immediately after that sentence.

What a bitch.

[flks511]

Get over it. Some people are religious.

[whiterussian]

This is exactly what I was going to say. I like killing people, but my ex-girlfriend has a problem with it. I said, "If I don't have a problem with killing people, why should you?" She dumped me immediately after that sentence.

What a bitch.

Spock mode on:

The person you quote meant that if the girl has no problem with what he believes, than he should not have a problem with she believes. You mention only him having a problem with his own belief.

/Spock

[deathinkosovo]

Spock mode on:

The person you quote meant that if the girl has no problem with what he believes, than he should not have a problem with she believes. You mention only him having a problem with his own belief.

/Spock

What does this have to do with my dropping a vat of hot acid on somebody?

[whiterussian]

What does this have to do with my dropping a vat of hot acid on somebody?
Copycat.

Except I use it on newborn kittens.

[nlo13]

The majority of the world does not believe in evolution. Deal with it.

There is still a far bigger number of people practicing Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity or any religion who believe in a godlike figure than those who practice Atheism/don't believe in a supreme being who created the world.

These are the dumbest quotes I have ever seen; to suggest that you have to be an atheist to believe in evolution. Wow. It is completely possible to believe in a godlike figure and still believe in evolution.

[The Personist]

Copycat.

Except I use it on newborn kittens.

I use it on your mom.

[deathinkosovo]

What if his mom is a kitten?

[The Personist]

Only an evolutionist nut would believe that.

[killerswells]

So is blindly believing what your teacher tells you in Biology.

retarded.

yes, because your teacher isn't telling you something that has been studied in depth since the 1800s.

thank you.

[Smeee]

I understand that micro-evolution can be proven. But with macro-evolution, I don't see how it can be. If anyone wants to persuade me otherwise, feel free. Give me some reading material/links etc haha (Please note, as I said before, I believe evolution to be the best theory we have).

[fadedmemories]

Assuming that believing in evolution makes one an atheist is hugely idiotic. Evolution can be proven, to deny it's occurrence is foolish, plenty of Christians accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs.
A Christian (or any follower of the religions that I posted earlier) cannot accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs, simply because it is against the teachings of their faith/religion. For example, I could be a Christian if I was baptised or born into a Christian family, but because I believe in evolution, then that means that I refuse to believe what is stated in the Bible (which is supposed to be the guidebook of Christianity)cancelling out my "being a Christian".
You can have your religious beliefs and still believe in evolution.

I went to Catholic School for 9 years (thank you in advance for your pity...) and was always taught that you can believe in evolution and still be Christian. The key is to believe that God started it all. You can believe in the "Big Bang" theory, but you believe that God created that bang. And you can believe in evolution as long as you believe that WHATEVER the first thing was that we evolved from, God created it.
Having religious beliefs doesn't make you a Christian either. Belief in Creation is one of the pillars of Christianity, as far as I know. If you deny that, then your Christianity is basically useless. There is no such branch of Christianity that allows you tocombine both scientific theories with religious teachings.

I went to Catholic school as well, and I'm not even Catholic. I know your pain haha.
These are the dumbest quotes I have ever seen; to suggest that you have to be an atheist to believe in evolution. Wow. It is completely possible to believe in a godlike figure and still believe in evolution.
What I was implying, is that believing in evolution contradicts with the teachings in the Bible or Koran(sp?). To believe in a godlike figure doesn't automatically make you Christian or Muslim either.

Sorry if my posts gives you the impression that I'm super conservative. These are just my opinions, I am not going to claim that I'm an expert when it comes to this.

[yves.]

it's called separating science from religion, which is something a lot of Americans can't seem to do (no offense to anyone).

[Duexy]

dump her for being stupid

[OveriseFan]

A Christian (or any follower of the religions that I posted earlier) cannot accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs, simply because it is against the teachings of their faith/religion. For example, I could be a Christian if I was baptised or born into a Christian family, but because I believe in evolution, then that means that I refuse to believe what is stated in the Bible (which is supposed to be the guidebook of Christianity)cancelling out my "being a Christian".

Having religious beliefs doesn't make you a Christian either. Belief in Creation is one of the pillars of Christianity, as far as I know. If you deny that, then your Christianity is basically useless. There is no such branch of Christianity that allows you tocombine both scientific theories with religious teachings.

I went to Catholic school as well, and I'm not even Catholic. I know your pain haha.

What I was implying, is that believing in evolution contradicts with the teachings in the Bible or Koran(sp?). To believe in a godlike figure doesn't automatically make you Christian or Muslim either.

Sorry if my posts gives you the impression that I'm super conservative. These are just my opinions, I am not going to claim that I'm an expert when it comes to this.

I guess we disagree on Christian teachings. I don't know what you mean by "Belief in Creation," but I believe you can believe that God created the world and life while still believing in evolution. As I said before, as long as you believe that God started it, somewhere along the line (The Big Bang or whatever), then it's fine. I was never taught that you had to follow the bible blindly - especially the Old Testament. Rather, it's more lessons and ideas than actual fact. I know some people would strongly disagree with that - but it's how I've been taught and how I believe.

It's a lot easier to reason scientific discovery with faith if you don't need to take the Bible word for word.

[The Personist]

A Christian (or any follower of the religions that I posted earlier) cannot accept the existence of evolution without compromising their beliefs, simply because it is against the teachings of their faith/religion. For example, I could be a Christian if I was baptised or born into a Christian family, but because I believe in evolution, then that means that I refuse to believe what is stated in the Bible (which is supposed to be the guidebook of Christianity)cancelling out my "being a Christian".

Charles Darwin was a Christian. Faith and evolution are not what is in conflict, but rather faith and the idea of natural selection. It's a stupid conflict, and I won't lecture you on why it's stupid because that's not the problem here. What is a problem is reconciling outdated Biblical literalism (which you seem to equate with all of Christianity, which is fallacious--and exactly what Richard Dawkins did to prove his "point" in his shitty book) with this belief. You simply do not understand Christianity in its modern, progressive form, wherein it and science have no qualms other than those raised by greedy neo-atheist American imperialists and ethnocentric imbeciles who argue that their dogmatism is the best dogmatism because it's backed by SCIENCE (which they wrongly affirm as infallible) and who still believe in the myth of progress.

Having religious beliefs doesn't make you a Christian either. Belief in Creation is one of the pillars of Christianity, as far as I know. If you deny that, then your Christianity is basically useless. There is no such branch of Christianity that allows you tocombine both scientific theories with religious teachings.
"Belief in Creation"? Absurd. Again, the straw man of fundamentalism fuels your polemic. Furthermore, the point of Christianity is to live a life modeled after the radical and transformational compassion and love of Jesus, not about believing certain things so you go to Heaven. If you follow Christ, you actively question and challenge the world around you and work on subverting the hierarchical structures of oppression and domination (I may think that because I'm also a Marxist, but the idea is fairly universal nonetheless in that Jesus was radical and rebellious in what he did, and that we should mirror that to have a healthy life of faith).


What I was implying, is that believing in evolution contradicts with the teachings in the Bible or Koran(sp?). To believe in a godlike figure doesn't automatically make you Christian or Muslim either.
Qu'ran and Koran are both acceptable.

Again, fundamentalism as straw man. Textual literalism has no place in progressive theology or religion, and those who adhere to that literalism shouldn't be used to represent the whole of Christendom or Islam or Judaism. It's just wrong. The ones participating in intelligent discourse don't believe in intelligent design. That's just Christian apologist crap.

Sorry if my posts gives you the impression that I'm super conservative. These are just my opinions, I am not going to claim that I'm an expert when it comes to this.

Good thing you're not claiming to be an expert, because you don't understand contemporary beliefs very much at all.


I apologize for ripping you apart like this, but as a Christian, I can't begin to express how much it offends me to be lumped with fundamentalists and extremists, who do not represent the entirety of ANY faith and are merely reacting to their own impending obsolescence.

[The Personist]

I guess we disagree on Christian teachings. I don't know what you mean by "Belief in Creation," but I believe you can believe that God created the world and life while still believing in evolution. As I said before, as long as you believe that God started it, somewhere along the line (The Big Bang or whatever), then it's fine. I was never taught that you had to follow the bible blindly - especially the Old Testament. Rather, it's more lessons and ideas than actual fact. I know some people would strongly disagree with that - but it's how I've been taught and how I believe.

It's a lot easier to reason scientific discovery with faith if you don't need to take the Bible word for word.

Should've finished reading the thread before I multi-quoted fadedmemories. Oops.

[LoginBanned]

Tell her it's not a sin if it's anal.

[uglystar03]

Charles Darwin was a Christian. Faith and evolution are not what is in conflict, but rather faith and the idea of natural selection. It's a stupid conflict, and I won't lecture you on why it's stupid because that's not the problem here. What is a problem is reconciling outdated Biblical literalism (which you seem to equate with all of Christianity, which is fallacious--and exactly what Richard Dawkins did to prove his "point" in his shitty book) with this belief. You simply do not understand Christianity in its modern, progressive form, wherein it and science have no qualms other than those raised by greedy neo-atheist American imperialists and ethnocentric imbeciles who argue that their dogmatism is the best dogmatism because it's backed by SCIENCE (which they wrongly affirm as infallible) and who still believe in the myth of progress.


"Belief in Creation"? Absurd. Again, the straw man of fundamentalism fuels your polemic. Furthermore, the point of Christianity is to live a life modeled after the radical and transformational compassion and love of Jesus, not about believing certain things so you go to Heaven. If you follow Christ, you actively question and challenge the world around you and work on subverting the hierarchical structures of oppression and domination (I may think that because I'm also a Marxist, but the idea is fairly universal nonetheless in that Jesus was radical and rebellious in what he did, and that we should mirror that to have a healthy life of faith).



Qu'ran and Koran are both acceptable.

Again, fundamentalism as straw man. Textual literalism has no place in progressive theology or religion, and those who adhere to that literalism shouldn't be used to represent the whole of Christendom or Islam or Judaism. It's just wrong. The ones participating in intelligent discourse don't believe in intelligent design. That's just Christian apologist crap.



Good thing you're not claiming to be an expert, because you don't understand contemporary beliefs very much at all.


I apologize for ripping you apart like this, but as a Christian, I can't begin to express how much it offends me to be lumped with fundamentalists and extremists, who do not represent the entirety of ANY faith and are merely reacting to their own impending obsolescence.


:appl:

If this kid doesn't want to claim expert, he shouldn't be saying everything as if were concrete fact and anything else were wrong.

[WordsandMusic]

The earth is only 4.5 billion years old. That's why there's no evidence of it being 100 billion years old.

I think you get the idea. the point remains.

[The Personist]

I think you get the idea. the point remains.

Nope. That's like saying, "I wasn't alive in the 1800's, so I can't know what happened for realz during the Civil War." It's sophistry.

[WordsandMusic]

Nope. That's like saying, "I wasn't alive in the 1800's, so I can't know what happened for realz during the Civil War." It's sophistry.

actually its not even close. people had pens there, they wrote things down. I can believe something other people experienced. No one was "there" 4.5 million years ago, well, because there was no 4.5 million years ago, but because of that, we are left with best guesses. And since it makes no eternal difference to an athiest what he believes, nor what anyone else believes, I cant quite understand why evolutionists get so riled up. Whats on the line? Research? So what.

[whiterussian]

can the debate end now?

(if you're just going to reject science blindly)

obviously nothing is going to happen, so it's pointless.

[The Personist]

actually its not even close. people had pens there, they wrote things down. I can believe something other people experienced. No one was "there" 4.5 million years ago, well, because there was no 4.5 million years ago, but because of that, we are left with best guesses. And since it makes no eternal difference to an athiest what he believes, nor what anyone else believes, I cant quite understand why evolutionists get so riled up. Whats on the line? Research? So what.

*billion

Scientific processes like carbon dating will prove you wrong. Furthermore, I find no problem reconciling my "evolutionism" with my faith. Dogma is getting in the way of actual discourse, here.

[WordsandMusic]

seems to me youre allowing your intillect to rule. which by all means, is fine with me. but carbon dating, a man-made "process" will not "prove" anything. what it will do is run some data or specimin through some machines and spit out 2 billion years to appease the arrogant belief that man is their own God.

[PengusNiugnep]

Just accept her for who she is. You wont have everything in common with her and if believing that makes her happy, then let her be.
^This

[The Personist]

seems to me youre allowing your intillect to rule. which by all means, is fine with me. but carbon dating, a man-made "process" will not "prove" anything. what it will do is run some data or specimin through some machines and spit out 2 billion years to appease the arrogant belief that man is their own God.


Good science is self-critical. Bad science assumes total correctness.

You're just as arrogant as these scientists if you think that because MAN has done something, it is invalid. Also, couldn't you argue that gravity is merely a concoction to explain how we don't float off into space, when really, we can't know? Despite, of course, the innumerable laws obeyed by gravity and the massive body of evidence in its favor (like the fact that you haven't floated out of your chair while at the computer)

[WordsandMusic]

Good science is self-critical. Bad science assumes total correctness.

You're just as arrogant as these scientists if you think that because MAN has done something, it is invalid. Also, couldn't you argue that gravity is merely a concoction to explain how we don't float off into space, when really, we can't know? Despite, of course, the innumerable laws obeyed by gravity and the massive body of evidence in its favor (like the fact that you haven't floated out of your chair while at the computer)

looks like youre grasping at straws here friend. the reason gravity is a LAW and not a THEORY is because we have real proof. when I jump up, I come down. Gravity is the name given to something that has always existed and is readily tested and found true. Carbon dating, evolutionist theories and the like, are not. By all means, if you could toss a carbon dater (?) in the air, watch it fall and have that prove its validity, Id be all over it.

[saysmydoctor]

You are fighting a lost cause with this dude.

[Roboman]

Holy wow, I never thought I would find somebody who doesn't believe in/trust carbon dating. Awesome.

Anyway, I'm actually surprised at all the people in here telling this guy to just ignore the girl's beliefs or, even worse, that he's a fucking douchebag for letting something like this be an issue. In my opinion, the topic of religion/evolution/the like is an important one that shouldn't just be looked over, and there's certainly not anything wrong with being uncertain about whether to be involved with someone with vastly differing opinions on the subject.

[The Personist]

looks like youre grasping at straws here friend. the reason gravity is a LAW and not a THEORY is because we have real proof. when I jump up, I come down. Gravity is the name given to something that has always existed and is readily tested and found true. Carbon dating, evolutionist theories and the like, are not. By all means, if you could toss a carbon dater (?) in the air, watch it fall and have that prove its validity, Id be all over it.

Gravity's considered a theory, not a law, just like evolution.

You don't seem to know the definition of a scientific theory.

[Alou]

I have a thing with this girl, and she's a genuine and cool person. She's a ton of fun to be around, she's honest, she has great taste in music, she's cute, etc. However, she does not believe in evolution. This is ridiculous. What do I do?

She is doing nothing wrong. You are the one who is messing up. Not in the sense that your belief is wrong, because who am I to tell you what you believe is wrong. But in the sense that you have the 'This is ridiculous' attitude about HER belief. Let her believe what she wants to believe. If she is as genuine as you say she is she will probably let you believe what you want to believe. You don't have to agree on everything.

[kemichels]

it's called separating science from religion, which is something a lot of Americans can't seem to do (no offense to anyone).

we have the same problem with separating our government from it...no surprise, heh.

[bung]

Fuck her and run.

She's intellectually worthless and an evolutionary disaster.

[zion the lion]

Some of you are ridiculous. There is no such thing as absolute truth. Nobody knows what happened because none of us were there. 300 years from now they could find proof that humans and animals and plants all came from different planets and were transplanted here for an expiriment. Or that we just happened to poof here or grow from a seed.

Holy wow, I never thought I would find somebody who doesn't believe in/trust carbon dating. Awesome.

Anyway, I'm actually surprised at all the people in here telling this guy to just ignore the girl's beliefs or, even worse, that he's a fucking douchebag for letting something like this be an issue. In my opinion, the topic of religion/evolution/the like is an important one that shouldn't just be looked over, and there's certainly not anything wrong with being uncertain about whether to be involved with someone with vastly differing opinions on the subject.

You make it seem like people who believe in creation rather than evolution cant even hold a normal conversation with the other side because of a differing view. Evolution and creation are that big of a deal, they dont consume people's lives, in fact, I dont know how many people give two shits about it in their everyday life.

edit: I just made up those wackadoodle half-assed theories, I'm way too into sci-fi.

[The Personist]

You make it seem like people who believe in creation rather than evolution cant even hold a normal conversation with the other side because of a differing view. Evolution and creation are that big of a deal, they dont consume people's lives, in fact, I dont know how many people give two shits about it in their everyday life.

It's important for people who have brains because in the inevitable human search for meaning, where we came from has implications. I prefer the evolutionary implications to those of the creationist "God gave us all this lovely shit to fuck around with" ideas, but even so, the question is important. A lot of our current ecological crisis could arguably be traced back to fundamentalist Creationism and what it implies in terms of our relationship with nature.

[Schmidty Says]

I believe in creationism. I believe that God created the first human beings and all other sentient beings on this planet. I also believe in evolution and that God let evolution run its course. Science and religion do not go hand in hand, which produces flaws in my beliefs. I am in school to be a chemist, and I have a very strong understanding of how the chemical world works. I would never allow something such as creationism or the theory of evolution to affect my feelings towards another person, especially if I were dating said person. All it does is create some interesting conversations/debates. And if you take it personal that someone doesn't hold the same belief that you do, you don't deserve to be with that person.

[zion the lion]

It's important for people who have brains because in the inevitable human search for meaning, where we came from has implications. I prefer the evolutionary implications to those of the creationist "God gave us all this lovely shit to fuck around with" ideas, but even so, the question is important. A lot of our current ecological crisis could arguably be traced back to fundamentalist Creationism and what it implies in terms of our relationship with nature.

Do you really think this girl's belief in creation goes that deep? Maybe (like most people who dont believe) she just finds it hard to believe that the theory of macro evolution is real. If someone believes that creationism is the truth becaue of what they read in their holy book, then they also have to believe that youre supposed to treat each and every thing with respect. It's such a weird over generalization to say that those who believe in creationism are to blame for the current "ecological crisis" because they see nature as something God gave us to "fuck around with".

[The Personist]

Do you really think this girl's belief in creation goes that deep? Maybe (like most people who dont believe) she just finds it hard to believe that the theory of macro evolution is real. If someone believes that creationism is the truth becaue of what they read in their holy book, then they also have to believe that youre supposed to treat each and every thing with respect. It's such a weird over generalization to say that those who believe in creationism are to blame for the current "ecological crisis" because they see nature as something God gave us to "fuck around with".

Not really. The idea that we were created by God and put in control of nature is absolutely central to an ignorance of nature that has helped bring about our current mess. That and Cartesian duality are huge factors in the mindset that finds us to be distinctly separate from nature, which thus allows us to guiltlessly do whatever we want to nature, because we see it as something we own rather than something of which we are a part.

I doubt her belief runs that deep, but I was responding more to your question of whether or not it was a big deal.

[zion the lion]

Not really. The idea that we were created by God and put in control of nature is absolutely central to an ignorance of nature that has helped bring about our current mess. That and Cartesian duality are huge factors in the mindset that finds us to be distinctly separate from nature, which thus allows us to guiltlessly do whatever we want to nature, because we see it as something we own rather than something of which we are a part.

I doubt her belief runs that deep, but I was responding more to your question of whether or not it was a big deal.

I seriously dont see it that way. I do respect nature, and I do realize that I am apart of nature. The bible says that you have to respect nature. And if something is put in control of nature arent they supposed to take care of it? And the "ignorance of nature" youre talking about is really called greed, and everybody has it no matter what you believe in.

[The Personist]

I seriously dont see it that way. I do respect nature, and I do realize that I am apart of nature. The bible says that you have to respect nature. And if something is put in control of nature arent they supposed to take care of it? And the "ignorance of nature" youre talking about is really called greed, and everybody has it no matter what you believe in.

From a creation standpoint, we are the pinnacle of all things, not just another step along the path. That has myriad implications, including what I already said about assuming everything is ours for manipulation or at our human whims just because we are the ultimate invention of some Creator. It's fairly obvious.

[zion the lion]

From a creation standpoint, we are the pinnacle of all things, not just another step along the path. That has myriad implications, including what I already said about assuming everything is ours for manipulation or at our human whims just because we are the ultimate invention of some Creator. It's fairly obvious.

That's so arrogant to say. I dont know anybody who believes in creationism who thinks that way at all, and I know some hardcore bible thumping people.

[The Personist]

That's so arrogant to say. I dont know anybody who believes in creationism who thinks that way at all, and I know some hardcore bible thumping people.

It's inherent in the creationist worldview that humanity is the pinnacle of creation. Biblically, there is support for man having dominion over all of nature and its animals--it's pretty hard to miss.

[zion the lion]

It's inherent in the creationist worldview that humanity is the pinnacle of creation. Biblically, there is support for man having dominion over all of nature and its animals--it's pretty hard to miss.

And that leads to creationists being the cause of the "ecological crisis"? It's pretty much common sense, when youre put in charge of something youre supposed to take care of it, and respect it.

[The Personist]

And that leads to creationists being the cause of the "ecological crisis"? It's pretty much common sense, when youre put in charge of something youre supposed to take care of it, and respect it.

I'm not saying every Creationist hates the environment. I'm saying the concept of having dominion over nature, when in the wrong hands--and you yourself said there are some pretty bad people out there--is dangerous. I fail to see how that's common sense, furthermore.

[new_arbiter]

Every time she brings it up, just stare at her for about ten seconds before saying "What are you, stupid or something?".

[boldt_action]

Meh. You can have bigger problems. My last girlfriend turned out not to believe in gravity.
hahahahahahahaha,

awesome.

[zion the lion]

I'm not saying every Creationist hates the environment. I'm saying the concept of having dominion over nature, when in the wrong hands--and you yourself said there are some pretty bad people out there--is dangerous. I fail to see how that's common sense, furthermore.

There are dangerous people in every belief system, there are people who capitalize on evolution and there are people who capitalize on creationism, you cant pretend like theres extremists on one side but not the other.

[mymusicismylife]

Just let it go. I believe in creation, but I could care less if my girlfriend believed in creation or evolution or intelligent design or the big bange or whatever other theories are out there. Because in the end, it comes down to what a person believes, and you probably aren't going to change that. There are so many more important things in a relationship to worry about. No two people are exactly the same. You have to pick your battles. This would be a good one to not fight.

[The Personist]

There are dangerous people in every belief system, there are people who capitalize on evolution and there are people who capitalize on creationism, you cant pretend like theres extremists on one side but not the other.

The counterargument is that an overly scientific worldview leads to a false sense of "progress" in modern society (when that's not at all the case, which is where postmodern theory comes in), which ignores issues like atomic bombs, greenhouse gas emissions, and other such scientific conundrums. What it boils down to, though, is that anyone who accepts evolution over creationism is already saying "I am a part of this." Creationists say "I am in charge of this." The difference between the two is striking.

Also, aren't you glad I made the counterpoint you wish you'd made? As someone who is both a Christian and who accepts evolution, I think you're foolish for denying evolution but also foolish because you don't know enough about science to argue against its issues successfully. Instead, you just want to blame it on people, which is a ridiculously vague argument to make.

I know there are scientific extremists, and I am opposed to them. I'm also opposed to religious extremists. But most importantly, I have a personal outlook and epistemology that helps me think about these issues and respond to them adequately. You just think all people are evil and blah blah blah. It's very childish dithering about, if you ask me.

[zion the lion]

The counterargument is that an overly scientific worldview leads to a false sense of "progress" in modern society (when that's not at all the case, which is where postmodern theory comes in), which ignores issues like atomic bombs, greenhouse gas emissions, and other such scientific conundrums. What it boils down to, though, is that anyone who accepts evolution over creationism is already saying "I am a part of this." Creationists say "I am in charge of this." The difference between the two is striking.

Also, aren't you glad I made the counterpoint you wish you'd made? As someone who is both a Christian and who accepts evolution, I think you're foolish for denying evolution but also foolish because you don't know enough about science to argue against its issues successfully. Instead, you just want to blame it on people, which is a ridiculously vague argument to make.

I know there are scientific extremists, and I am opposed to them. I'm also opposed to religious extremists. But most importantly, I have a personal outlook and epistemology that helps me think about these issues and respond to them adequately. You just think all people are evil and blah blah blah. It's very childish dithering about, if you ask me.

My you are a cocky one. I didnt come in here to make some argument for or against the fundemental creationists (I came here to relax in between marathon sessions of school work), and in all honesty I dont know one person who even feels the way you said we do about nature. If anything youre the one blaming people for everything. And as for your "counter argument" no I dont wish I made that one. I put mine very simply, people are greedy, that's where the problems we're in now were born.

From what I've seen of you, youre a horrible christian, your arrogant "I know everything about this subject thus I am superior and you are nothing but a fool" attitude is so far from being christ like, that in fact it is almost the same attitude I saw last night at gay rights/anti gay rights protest. People like you are the reason I have turned my back on christianity in the first place. Get your shit together.

I explained what I meant by the all people are evil statement, if you dont want to believe that's what I meant then so be it. You're doing nothing but proving that I'm right with what I said.

I've explained why I do or do not believe in macro or micro evolution, if you came here to change my mind, you failed miserably.

[new_arbiter]

Hahaha

[OveriseFan]

My you are a cocky one. I didnt come in here to make some argument for or against the fundemental creationists (I came here to relax in between marathon sessions of school work), and in all honesty I dont know one person who even feels the way you said we do about nature. If anything youre the one blaming people for everything. And as for your "counter argument" no I dont wish I made that one. I put mine very simply, people are greedy, that's where the problems we're in now were born.

From what I've seen of you, youre a horrible christian, your arrogant "I know everything about this subject thus I am superior and you are nothing but a fool" attitude is so far from being christ like, that in fact it is almost the same attitude I saw last night at gay rights/anti gay rights protest. People like you are the reason I have turned my back on christianity in the first place. Get your shit together.
I explained what I meant by the all people are evil statement, if you dont want to believe that's what I meant then so be it. You're doing nothing but proving that I'm right with what I said.

I've explained why I do or do not believe in macro or micro evolution, if you came here to change my mind, you failed miserably.

You have now lost any credibility you ever had in your argument.

I would stop this debate with her - she clearly doesn't even want to have an intelligent discussion.

[The Personist]

My you are a cocky one. I didnt come in here to make some argument for or against the fundemental creationists (I came here to relax in between marathon sessions of school work), and in all honesty I dont know one person who even feels the way you said we do about nature. If anything youre the one blaming people for everything. And as for your "counter argument" no I dont wish I made that one. I put mine very simply, people are greedy, that's where the problems we're in now were born.

From what I've seen of you, youre a horrible christian, your arrogant "I know everything about this subject thus I am superior and you are nothing but a fool" attitude is so far from being christ like, that in fact it is almost the same attitude I saw last night at gay rights/anti gay rights protest. People like you are the reason I have turned my back on christianity in the first place. Get your shit together.

I explained what I meant by the all people are evil statement, if you dont want to believe that's what I meant then so be it. You're doing nothing but proving that I'm right with what I said.

I've explained why I do or do not believe in macro or micro evolution, if you came here to change my mind, you failed miserably.

Fail to see how my arguments against your myopia and assumptions at once of human evil and goodness (greed versus "but we take care of our shit") have anything to do with my Christian faith.

[zion the lion]

You have now lost any credibility you ever had in your argument.

I would stop this debate with her - she clearly doesn't even want to have an intelligent discussion.

I'm sorry, it's like I'm in the twilight zone. I actually said that I wasnt here to have some intelligent argument about the pros and cons of evolution. I VERY CLEARLY said that I was only here to take a brain break in between a massive cram marathon of school work.

See below:


(I came here to relax in between marathon sessions of school work)


It's in the first paragraph of the post you qouted.

[boldt_action]

You have now lost any credibility you ever had in your argument.

I would stop this debate with her - she clearly doesn't even want to have an intelligent discussion.
Yes, she lost credibility, but she's not totally wrong.

Although I am intrigued by ArtfullyAborted's argument, he was coming off a little pompous.

[MyNameIsRoss]

fuck her wearing a dinosaur costume

oh wait I just read your post and it was actually relevant


Yeah, ...this.

[WordsandMusic]

Gravity's considered a theory, not a law, just like evolution.

You don't seem to know the definition of a scientific theory.
and YOU seem much more interested in correcting me than actually hearing what Im saying. I dont care if you call gravity a law or a theory, the point is its proveable. maybe just try to focus on the points Im making, or would you like to point out grammatical errors while youre at it?

[Alou]

and YOU seem much more interested in correcting me than actually hearing what Im saying. I dont care if you call gravity a law or a theory, the point is its proveable. maybe just try to focus on the points Im making, or would you like to point out grammatical errors while youre at it?

Don't. Provable. I'm. You're. (Just to point out a few).

...Oh sorry.

[WordsandMusic]

Don't. Provable. I'm. You're. (Just to point out a few).

...Oh sorry.
yeah, you must have missed that i wasnt talking to you. thanks tho, my apostrophe key is lonely.

[Alou]

yeah, you must have missed that i wasnt talking to you. thanks tho, my apostrophe key is lonely.

Making a joke. Trying to bring the amount of asshat'ery in this thread down...I failed :(

[AndrewIcex]

Making a joke. Trying to bring the amount of asshat'ery in this thread down...I failed :(
Most every thread has some sort of argument and fighting and such... so you will get use to it haha.

[The Personist]

and YOU seem much more interested in correcting me than actually hearing what Im saying. I dont care if you call gravity a law or a theory, the point is its proveable. maybe just try to focus on the points Im making, or would you like to point out grammatical errors while youre at it?

Plenty of those.

And I am focusing on what you're saying. It just doesn't make much sense.

[Alou]

Most every thread has some sort of argument and fighting and such... so you will get use to it haha.

I'll never understand people. :(

[AndrewIcex]

I'll never understand people. :(
I hear ya there, more than you even know haha.

[The Personist]

I'll never understand people. :(

YES YOU WILL

/argument

[zion the lion]

I dont get how hilariously stupid I end up being in these threads.

[The Personist]

Yes, she lost credibility, but she's not totally wrong.

Although I am intrigued by ArtfullyAborted's argument, he was coming off a little pompous.

Sorry :-(

[WordsandMusic]

Plenty of those.

And I am focusing on what you're saying. It just doesn't make much sense.

you know, for a 20 year old kid, you have an air of...well...feces about you. arrogance, feces, whichever. Its nice that you know big words and are pretty good with wikipedia, it just seems if you were out to have a conversation, youd perhaps do it a little more humbly, especially since you claim to be a follower of Christ. its not even that youre wrong, I couldnt care less what you think you know, I just wanted the conversation for my own information, but youre incapable without exalting yourself and belittling others. If its just that you arent that big, they have weight-gain powder and platform shoes now...maybe try that.

[Alou]

YES YOU WILL

/argument

:o

I dont get how hilariously stupid I end up being in these threads.

Maybe you're hilariously stupid in real life?

[zion the lion]

:o



Maybe you're hilariously stupid in real life?

I wondered that too, and not even a fraction as much as I am in these threads.

[The Personist]

you know, for a 20 year old kid, you have an air of...well...feces about you. arrogance, feces, whichever. Its nice that you know big words and are pretty good with wikipedia, it just seems if you were out to have a conversation, youd perhaps do it a little more humbly, especially since you claim to be a follower of Christ. its not even that youre wrong, I couldnt care less what you think you know, I just wanted the conversation for my own information, but youre incapable without exalting yourself and belittling others. If its just that you arent that big, they have weight-gain powder and platform shoes now...maybe try that.

...what?

You said carbon dating was human arrogance. If you wanted an FYI, then you should read about carbon dating on wikipedia.

[Alou]

...what?

You said carbon dating was human arrogance. If you wanted an FYI, then you should read about carbon dating on wikipedia.

Wikipedia and Yahoo Answers knows everything. Trust Me.

[The Personist]

Wikipedia and Yahoo Answers knows everything. Trust Me.

Sarcasm, I know, but basically, he was arguing that something wasn't verifiable because we couldn't go back in time. In essence, he was saying scientific inquiry was useless because it wasn't a primary source. it couldn't find a document signed by a t-rex, so it is invalid. What bad reasoning.

[WordsandMusic]

...what?

You said carbon dating was human arrogance. If you wanted an FYI, then you should read about carbon dating on wikipedia.
I actually didnt say carbon dating was human arrogance. I said it was proven inaccurate. then I said that mans drive to prove, in a roundabout way, that God doesnt exist, is out of arrogance. either way, it doesnt change the fact that you are self-exalting and belittling. if youre bored, perhaps a pet?

[The Personist]

I actually didnt say carbon dating was human arrogance. I said it was proven inaccurate. then I said that mans drive to prove, in a roundabout way, that God doesnt exist, is out of arrogance. either way, it doesnt change the fact that you are self-exalting and belittling. if youre bored, perhaps a pet?

how?

[AndrewIcex]

I actually didnt say carbon dating was human arrogance. I said it was proven inaccurate. then I said that mans drive to prove, in a roundabout way, that God doesnt exist, is out of arrogance. either way, it doesnt change the fact that you are self-exalting and belittling. if youre bored, perhaps a pet?
I have a frog.

[The Personist]

i'm allergic to dogs and cats and compulsively kill reptiles by way of eating them alive.

Pets are a bad idea.

[Alou]

I have a frog.

Two dogs. They don't make me less arrogant though...

[The Personist]

Wait...how am I self-exalting? Belittling, maybe, because I didn't entertain your silly ideas. But where did I exalt myself?

[AndrewIcex]

i'm allergic to dogs and cats and compulsively kill reptiles by way of eating them alive.

Pets are a bad idea.
Pet rock, those are winners.

[The Personist]

Pet rock, those are winners.

Good idea. Thanks! Now I can have a life!

[AndrewIcex]

Good idea. Thanks! Now I can have a life!
Glad I could help! Get out there and pick you out a good one!

Well, I am outta here. Goodnight.

[zion the lion]

Pet rock, those are winners.

One time my mom was soooo pissed because I was being such a bitchy kid (I was like 5) that she pulled over on the side of the road and made me find a stick that she could spank me with. She never spanked me with it, instead I kept it as a pet and named it Stickey and we kept it until we saw the spider egg nest thing and we burned that mother fucker.

[WordsandMusic]

Wait...how am I self-exalting? Belittling, maybe, because I didn't entertain your silly ideas. But where did I exalt myself?
see, to me your ideas are silly, but I didnt say that because its less than nice. you, dont give a shit. you have your words. good for you.

as for exalting, it doesnt take a rocket-scientist to figure out that the majority of us dont use your 7 syllable words. Heard of synonyms? a thesaurus perhaps? its nice that youre smart, but it doesnt impress me. nor do your wordy responses. if you wanted to try to sway me, you should have tried reason, as opposed to proving me wrong.

[WordsandMusic]

Sarcasm, I know, but basically, he was arguing that something wasn't verifiable because we couldn't go back in time. In essence, he was saying scientific inquiry was useless because it wasn't a primary source. it couldn't find a document signed by a t-rex, so it is invalid. What bad reasoning.

so what is good reasoning in your great opinion then? since youre predisposed to forcing it on everyone anyway? shall I trust the words and brain capacity of a guy living down the street?

[The Personist]

so what is good reasoning in your great opinion then? since youre predisposed to forcing it on everyone anyway? shall I trust the words and brain capacity of a guy living down the street?

You're hopeless. You told me in your previous post, "use small words so I can understand you." Therefore, if I am to be respected, I have to change the way I talk to better suit YOUR needs.

Furthermore, the reasoning in my great opinion is that there is evidence to support the 4.5 billion year old earth. You have yet to provide a counterargument with ANY evidence.

[WordsandMusic]

You're hopeless. You told me in your previous post, "use small words so I can understand you." Therefore, if I am to be respected, I have to change the way I talk to better suit YOUR needs.

Furthermore, the reasoning in my great opinion is that there is evidence to support the 4.5 billion year old earth. You have yet to provide a counterargument with ANY evidence.
there is no evidence. also, you quoted me as saying "use small words so I can understand you", that was never said. this proves that youre a douche and get off on belittling people. And yes, if YOU want people to understand/agree with you then you need to be understood, I didnt think that was a difficult concept to grasp. And for clarification, I didnt mention anything about being respected. Respect is earned. Good luck with that.

[fadedmemories]

I guess we disagree on Christian teachings. I don't know what you mean by "Belief in Creation," but I believe you can believe that God created the world and life while still believing in evolution. As I said before, as long as you believe that God started it, somewhere along the line (The Big Bang or whatever), then it's fine. I was never taught that you had to follow the bible blindly - especially the Old Testament. Rather, it's more lessons and ideas than actual fact. I know some people would strongly disagree with that - but it's how I've been taught and how I believe.

It's a lot easier to reason scientific discovery with faith if you don't need to take the Bible word for word.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree dude haha
Charles Darwin was a Christian. Faith and evolution are not what is in conflict, but rather faith and the idea of natural selection. It's a stupid conflict, and I won't lecture you on why it's stupid because that's not the problem here. What is a problem is reconciling outdated Biblical literalism (which you seem to equate with all of Christianity, which is fallacious--and exactly what Richard Dawkins did to prove his "point" in his shitty book) with this belief. You simply do not understand Christianity in its modern, progressive form, wherein it and science have no qualms other than those raised by greedy neo-atheist American imperialists and ethnocentric imbeciles who argue that their dogmatism is the best dogmatism because it's backed by SCIENCE (which they wrongly affirm as infallible) and who still believe in the myth of progress.


"Belief in Creation"? Absurd. Again, the straw man of fundamentalism fuels your polemic. Furthermore, the point of Christianity is to live a life modeled after the radical and transformational compassion and love of Jesus, not about believing certain things so you go to Heaven. If you follow Christ, you actively question and challenge the world around you and work on subverting the hierarchical structures of oppression and domination (I may think that because I'm also a Marxist, but the idea is fairly universal nonetheless in that Jesus was radical and rebellious in what he did, and that we should mirror that to have a healthy life of faith).



Qu'ran and Koran are both acceptable.

Again, fundamentalism as straw man. Textual literalism has no place in progressive theology or religion, and those who adhere to that literalism shouldn't be used to represent the whole of Christendom or Islam or Judaism. It's just wrong. The ones participating in intelligent discourse don't believe in intelligent design. That's just Christian apologist crap.



Good thing you're not claiming to be an expert, because you don't understand contemporary beliefs very much at all.


I apologize for ripping you apart like this, but as a Christian, I can't begin to express how much it offends me to be lumped with fundamentalists and extremists, who do not represent the entirety of ANY faith and are merely reacting to their own impending obsolescence.

I guess my beliefs are pretty close minded and I need to read more about this subject, although I still stand by what I said.

No problem at all dude, I've been ripped apart in worse ways haha. I appreciate a good, healthy debate.

If this kid doesn't want to claim expert, he shouldn't be saying everything as if were concrete fact and anything else were wrong.
I never said that man. The only thing that I'm sure is a concrete fact are my first two posts. Evolution isn't as widely accepted in other places as it is in the North America and some places in Europe

[deathinkosovo]

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[IceAge/HeatWave]

so what if she doesn't believe in evolution.

I don't believe in the moon. I think it's just the back of the sun.

[whataclush]

I have a thing with this girl, and she's a genuine and cool person. She's a ton of fun to be around, she's honest, she has great taste in music, she's cute, etc. However, she does not believe in evolution. This is ridiculous. What do I do?

tell her to watch this:

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