Senior Bowl

[still_life]

This has been pretty weak, but at least it's football.

- Cutler didn't look that great at all, top QB my ass
- That WR Hagans stinks
- Deangelo Williams is going to be so good
- Michael Robinson deserves a shot in the NFL
- I swear some player said "****** be chillin" when they had the camera in the locker room at the half

[Goodbye Forever]

I want Deangelo Williams in white and green next year so bad.

[looksthatkillbn]

This has been pretty weak, but at least it's football.

- Cutler didn't look that great at all, top QB my ass
- That WR Hagans stinks
- Deangelo Williams is going to be so good
- Michael Robinson deserves a shot in the NFL
- I swear some player said "****** be chillin" when they had the camera in the locker room at the half

That was all right on. Willians looked great...on his three carries. And Hagans was simply funny.

And I can't blame the kid for muffing the punt, he was going for it, there's no way he doesn't make every effort to catch that ball, even when falling. That's gonna look fucking terrible though...

And Robinson will get a shot in the NFL, no doubt. He's the next Kordell Stewart...whether that's a good or bad thing, I'm not sure...

[itsjdiggity]

Why is the Titans crew there?

[AshesAshes]

Is Brad Banks playing in this ???I love that guy.

[still_life]

Why is the Titans crew there?

Mike Nolan and the 49ers coaches are there for the other team. I'm not sure how they decide it, but they seem to just pick a scrub team's coaching staff every year to do this. I know Gruden was there last year, that's where he fell in love with the Cadillac.

[still_life]

NORTH
# Full Name School Pos Ht Wt
4 Jahmile Addae West Virginia DB 5097 201
95 Victor Adeyanju Indiana DL 6037 268 - (tweener)
42 Jon Alston Stanford LB 6001 218
8 Jason Avant Michigan WR 6003 209
11 Mike Bell Arizona RB 6000 218
1 Will Blackmon Boston College DB 5116 200
14 Daniel Bullocks Nebraska DB 6004 209 - (Safety)
86 Dominique Byrd USC TE 6023 252
73 Daryn Colledge Boise State OL 6040 295
6 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt QB 6027 223
99 Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma DL 6024 301
66 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia OL 6054 297
18 Chad Greenway Iowa LB 6021 242 - (has nothing more to prove)
91 Tamba Hali Penn State DL 6022 267
9 Jerome Harrison Washington State RB 5091 196
8 Tye Hill Clemson DB 5092 183 - (may be the first CB gone)
51 Abdul Hodge Iowa LB 5116 233 - (too undersized for Pats?)
32 Cedric Humes Virginia Tech RB 6002 227
28 Darrell Hunter Miami-Oh DB 5116 205
44 Clint Ingram Oklahoma LB 6013 240
27 Brian Iwuh Colorado LB 5115 227
52 D'Qwell Jackson Maryland LB 6002 228
77 Davin Joseph Oklahoma OL 6022 304
94 Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College DL 6052 262 (OUT)
89 Joe Klopfenstein Colorado TE 6052 250
56 Jonathan Lewis Virginia Tech DL 6007 304
76 Deuce Lutui USC OL 6031 338
55 Nick Mangold Ohio State OL 6032 297
15 Martin Nance Miami-Oh WR 6037 208
61 Ryan O'Callaghan California OL 6061 347
96 Babatunde Oshinowo Stanford DT 6013 302 - (personal favorite at NT)
54 Marvin Philip California OL 6010 307
1 Anwar Phillips Penn State DB 5111 187
26 David Pittman Northwestern State DB 5107 177
12 Michael Robinson Penn State QB 6010 218
68 Mark Setterstrom Minnesota OL 6032 313
20 Anthony Smith Syracuse DB 5114 192
56 Charles Spencer Pittsburgh OL 6045 338
21 Maurice Stovall Notre Dame WR 6041 216 - (had an impressive week)
55 Darryl Tapp Virginia Tech DL 6012 257 - (tweener)
29 John Torp Colorado P 6016 206
72 Jeremy Trueblood Boston College OL 6077 316
17 Lawrence Vickers Colorado FB 5117 239
78 Gabe Watson Michigan DL 6032 341
38 Terrence Whitehead Oregon RB 5096 213
6 Charlie Whitehurst Clemson QB 6042 216
2 Demetrius Williams Oregon WR 6013 188
4 Travis Wilson Oklahoma WR 6011 208
40 Deric Yaussi Wyoming K 5112 197

SOUTH
# Full Name School Pos Ht Wt
10 Joseph Addai LSU RB 5111 208 - (serious Pats prospect)
75 Will Allen Texas OL 6046 318
47 Mark Anderson Alabama DL 6037 254
1 Devin Aromashodu Auburn WR 6021 202
18 Hank Baskett New Mexico WR 6024 220
17 Greg Blue Georgia DB 6017 220 - (excels vs the run)
52 Brodrick Bunkley Florida State DL 6023 300
63 Ryan Cook New Mexico OL 6061 332
12 Brodie Croyle Alabama QB 6022 200 - (hung out with Belichick)
68 Mike Degory Florida OL 6052 301
70 Cody Douglas Tennessee OL 6043 317
98 Elvis Dumerville Louisville DL 5112 258
32 Stephen Gostkowski Memphis K 6007 214
5 Skyler Green LSU WR 5090 193 - (probable)
6 Cedric Griffin Texas CB 6001 192
4 Darrell Hackney UAB QB 5113 240
80 Derek Hagan Arizona State WR 6013 203
38 Andre Hall South Florida RB 5081 203
99 Parys Haralson Tennessee DL 6007 250
41 Roman Harper Alabama DB 5116 194
92 Orien Harris Miami-Fl DL 6030 302
42 Spencer Havner UCLA LB 6027 239
40 Thomas Howard UTEP LB 6027 234 - (personal favorite)
7 Marcus Hudson North Carolina DB x
77 Max Jean-Gilles Georgia OL 6035 358
23 Tim Jennings Georgia DB 5077 178
22 Kelly Jennings Miami-Fl DB 5105 171
91 Manny Lawson North Carolina State DL 6050 240 - (personal favorite)
19 Marcedes Lewis UCLA TE 6057 254
55 Jesse Mahelona Tennessee DL 600 311
73 Marcus McNeill Auburn OL - (arrived late - missed weigh-in)
35 Garret Mills Tulsa FB-TE 6006 236
2 Demario Minter Georgia DB 5110 189
9 Anthony Mix Auburn TE 6040 242
83 Sinorice Moss Miami-Fl WR 5077 183 - (solid returner)
21 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State RB 5113 205 - (the fastest RB here)
2 Ben Obomanu Auburn WR 6003 202
81 Thomas Olmsted Troy State P 6033 212
8 Freddie Roach Alabama LB 6015 255 - (a two-down run stuffer)
35 DeMeco Ryans Alabama LB 6011 229 - (too undersized?)
71 Jonathan Scott Texas OL 6061 310
3 D.J. Shockley Georgia QB 6006 205
72 Albert Toeaina Tennessee OL 6047 338
24 Pat Watkins Florida State DB 6042 205 - (Safety)
44 Gerris Wilkinson Georgia Tech LB 6026 234
20 DeAngelo Williams Memphis RB 5084 208 - (maybe the 2nd RB taken)
95 Kyle Williams LSU DL 6010 295
82 T.J. Williams North Carolina State TE 6021 261
51 Travis Williams Auburn LB 5114 217
94 Kamerion Wimbley Florida State DL 6033 245
74 Eric Winston Miami-Fl OL 6063 302

I just copied this from a board, so the added comments aren't mine

[itsjdiggity]

Two guys just got ejected. Way to fuck up their careers.

[LeftWideOpen]

Totally agree about Cutler and Hagans. I think Cutler has skills, but he's clearly inferior to Leinart and Young. Mortensen is foolish to suggest otherwise. I think any team (here's looking at you Detroit) would be crazy to spend a top 10 pick on this guy.

Before this game I thought Hagans would be a darkhorse pick for the Pats (if Givens isnt re-signed) ...after today's performance I no longer have to worry about that.

[still_life]

Even in a college all star game Mike Nolan's offense and defense sucks

[smokedsanity]

Totally agree about Cutler and Hagans. I think Cutler has skills, but he's clearly inferior to Leinart and Young. Mortensen is foolish to suggest otherwise. I think any team (here's looking at you Detroit) would be crazy to spend a top 10 pick on this guy.

Before this game I thought Hagans would be a darkhorse pick for the Pats (if Givens isnt re-signed) ...after today's performance I no longer have to worry about that.

No offense, but come on. This is Mortensen and co.'s job. Anyway....Cutler didn't look that great in this game, but he did in practice and all season long as well as last season. Should he go higher than Leinart, etc? No. I still think he can do very well in the NFL from what I've seen of him the past couple of years.

[LeftWideOpen]

No offense, but come on. This is Mortensen and co.'s job. Anyway....Cutler didn't look that great in this game, but he did in practice and all season long as well as last season. Should he go higher than Leinart, etc? No. I still think he can do very well in the NFL from what I've seen of him the past couple of years.

Mortensen knows more than I do, of course. But Cutler's bandwagon is huge right now, even though he wasn't even talked about as a 1st round pick until midway through Vandy's season. I just think this stuff about him being the best QB is nuts. Everyone was all over Lendale White for a week and his stock has already dipped back to where it was initially, and I think the same will be for Cutler. He's a top 15 pick still, but this best QB stuff will blow over.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I want Deangelo Williams in white and green next year so bad.
So do I. If D'Brickashaw Ferguson falls past the Texans AND the Jets, I'll rejoice, because he could very well be the Bills next year.

[smokedsanity]

I completely agree about the best QB talk. He may very well end up being better than the others but so far Leinart and Young have both looked better (but they HAVE had more to work with). Sorry for skewing your words some. Being an SEC guy, I often jump to the defense of its players, even at times when it is not needed.

[still_life]

Cutler looked a Lions QB today for sure. You know, Scott Mitchell and Joey Harrington-esque.

[Split2nd]

Cutler looked a Lions QB today for sure. You know, Scott Mitchell and Joey Harrington-esque.

LOL... I'm going to laugh pretty hard if Cutler is actually taken over Leinart or VY...

[fromwithin]

i wont.

vince young = BUST.

[bigmike]

LOL... I'm going to laugh pretty hard if Cutler is actually taken over Leinart or VY...

he's not going to be taken over either of those two. people who say this are retarded. seriously.

[bigmike]

Cutler looked a Lions QB today for sure. You know, Scott Mitchell and Joey Harrington-esque.

you mean Scott Mitchell and Ty Detmer.
as Joey never got a fair shake in detroit. people shouldn't put all the blame on him for the lions shitty results.

however, cutler will be a top 10 pick because the lions will pick on "needs" even if the person isn't a top ten pick.
i initially would have liked to see cutler, but now i'm not certain. i'd like for them to trade up or maybe down, secure more picks, and start to rebuild the o-line.

but they'll probably take cutler. if not, probably marcus hagans, because every contender spends 4 straight 1st round picks on WR's, don't they?

[still_life]

Oh yeah, Ty Detmer, guy that threw 7 picks in a game.

Joey doesn't get all the blame, but he deserves a lot of it. The guy throws at receiver's feet all the time, he throws too many picks, and he fumbles too much too. He's been rather anti-clutch on top of things. Only 6 game winning drives in 4th quarter/OT in his career. Even Tim Couch had 11, and Cleveland had barely any wins his time as a starter.

[bigmike]

Oh yeah, Ty Detmer, guy that threw 7 picks in a game.

Joey doesn't get all the blame, but he deserves a lot of it. The guy throws at receiver's feet all the time, he throws too many picks, and he fumbles too much too. He's been rather anti-clutch on top of things. Only 6 game winning drives in 4th quarter/OT in his career. Even Tim Couch had 11, and Cleveland had barely any wins his time as a starter.

because detroit's offense has been so great that he's had the chance to lead game winning drives. by the time the fourth quarter is around they're out of the game. he makes some bad throws, doesn't have a gun for an arm, but has enough arm to be an NFL QB. if you want to knock him for anything knock him for not throwing downfield. but that comes because of a lack of an o-line and he's used to always having to check down to save his life. also, our recievers are apparently made of paper and are always hurt. roy williams stays out of more games than he should because he's "hurt", charles rogers is a head case with a drug problem, mike williams is nothing more than a slot reciever with great hands. but didn't play football for a whole year before this season. after that you get to.... scottie vines? he's been working with a pretty bare cupboard in his time here. And kevin jones, the "number 1" back, doesn't get the carries he should/needs to be effective. so with no run game, no healthy recievers to throw to, no big offensive threats, and defense that's too tired on the field from unsustained drives, leads to a shitty team that's never in games late.

[still_life]

Detroit's defense has not been that bad the last two years, yet they still win just 5 or 6 games. It's the untimely incompletions and just overall poor throws this guy makes all the time. He's not a good 3rd down passer, and his overall game is very weak in terms of yards/attempt. You can't get by in the NFL with a 6 YPA average. For being the #3 pick in the draft if I recall, the expectations are going to be high, and he hasn't even come close to meeting them. Why do you think people always think David Carr is better, despite his numbers not being that much better than Harrington's? Because Joey just sucks, and we all know Carr has NO offensive line, and was stuck with a stupid coach for 4 years.

[bigmike]

Detroit's defense has not been that bad the last two years, yet they still win just 5 or 6 games. It's the untimely incompletions and just overall poor throws this guy makes all the time. He's not a good 3rd down passer, and his overall game is very weak in terms of yards/attempt. You can't get by in the NFL with a 6 YPA average. For being the #3 pick in the draft if I recall, the expectations are going to be high, and he hasn't even come close to meeting them. Why do you think people always think David Carr is better, despite his numbers not being that much better than Harrington's? Because Joey just sucks, and we all know Carr has NO offensive line, and was stuck with a stupid coach for 4 years.

he throws the balls that are called. I know he sucks and isn't a 3rd pick talent. I've watched him since he got here. he's a mid-grade qb that had a great college career. good. nice. but the fact that he's a poor third down passer has more to do with the fact that on 3 and 8 you're going to pass the ball, so the defense is waiting for it. and seemingly half of the time he's throwing screens because the play calling is shitty. he's been stuck under shitty coaches, a shitty gm, and a shitty owner, and behind a line that plays half-hearted and quit on him this past season. Still, he managed to throw for the 5th most yards in a season in the season just prior to this year. The defense is decent. however they're thin at linebacker, and the ones that are potentially good (boss bailey, teddy lehman) are generally always hurt. we've got 1 good corner, 1 decent corner and bunch of shitty back ups, one saftey (kenoy kennedy) who only likes to hit and not really play solid saftey. they don't get good push off the ball despite having their strength being their d-line. And besides, they let down at the end of games because of how much they're stuck on the field throughout the game because of the lack of a running game to help sustain drives. the lions suck, management sucks, harrington sucks, but get's way too much blame. when you're throwing to david kircus and scottie vines because you've got a WR that doesn't play through pain, another WR that doesn't play, period, an o-line that forget's it's their job to block, and coaches that shortchange easily the most talented offensive player on the roster, kevin jones, out of the carries that he should be getting. The whole team offers no sort of signs that they know what direction they're going in. they show no signs of being committed to winning. but it's not all harrington's fault. is he obsovled from the blame? no. does he deserve all of it? no. there's plenty to go around.

[still_life]

Actually Harrington's 3rd and long attempts are no higher in quantity than a QB like Favre's or Brady's.

[bigmike]

Actually Harrington's 3rd and long attempts are no higher in quantity than a QB like Favre's or Brady's.

okay.
and those are better teams. i just think he get's more blame than he deserves, and when he does lead the team and play well everyone gives the "eh, the D played well" or "eh, he played well, big deal". he gets little credit for the few times he's played well on this team, and get's more blame than he deserves.

[still_life]

The times he's played well have been too few, and that's the problem.

[bigmike]

The times he's played well have been too few, and that's the problem.

the time's the whole team have played well have been too few, that's the problem.

[imirish06]

How did Maurice Stovall look? I heard he had a great week of practice

[Doug]

brodie croyle is going to be a good nfl quarterback.

sinorice moss is a BEAST.

deangelo williams rules.

fuck jay cutler.

[djUbilla]

For all this talk about Cutler, he wasn't even the offensive MVP of the game. That one goes to my boy Charlie Whitehurst.

Whitehurst is a talent no doubt, he just needs some years as a backup learning a system. So long as he gets a little bit of extra attention this could be a starter, and in the right system, he could be a quality starter. I wish he'd get some credit.

[Doug]

For all this talk about Cutler, he wasn't even the offensive MVP of the game. That one goes to my boy Charlie Whitehurst.

Whitehurst is a talent no doubt, he just needs some years as a backup learning a system. So long as he gets a little bit of extra attention this could be a starter, and in the right system, he could be a quality starter. I wish he'd get some credit.

eh, dude not only never excelled in college, but he was usually a dissapointment.

[still_life]

How did Maurice Stovall look? I heard he had a great week of practice

I think he had a catch

[mikeford]

i would like the patriots to end up with sinorice moss.

[Doug]

i would like the patriots to end up with sinorice moss.

while i would enjoy this, i'd rather have a wide receiver taller than david givens, let alone taller than 5'7"

[mikeford]

while i would enjoy this, i'd rather have a wide receiver taller than david givens, let alone taller than 5'7"

troy brown is gonna retire and bethel johnson sucks... any other ideas?

[Doug]

troy brown is gonna retire and bethel johnson sucks... any other ideas?

maurice stovall, charlie weis will tell belichick to draft him or not