Morrisson has 30 in the 1st Half [Archive]

nizzlefoshizzle

01/28/06, 07:54 PM

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 08:00 PM

Redick also had an awesome night. I personally think Redick is a better player. Morrison is the only great player on his team so he take a lot of shots, but Redick has another all american on his team (williams). I just think that if Redick was on a team where he was the only star player, he would score a lot more points, but he's not so he spreads the wealth but scores when he needs to. Well your wrong. You obviously do not watch gonzaga because Morrison isn't their only good player. Batista averages 19.3 points a game and is a very solid post player. Morrison averages 18.7 shots a game to Redicks 17.4. So I dont see how he takes so many more shots then Morrison. I will still stand by morrison being a better player but it is pretty obvious redick is the second best

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 08:23 PM

Okay Tate, you're a Duke fan AND a Gonzaga fan, and you get to see most Gonzaga games.

Who should be player of the year, Redick or Morrison?
I can't do it .. haha, it's too hard. My two favorite players ... but if I had to, after tonight - Redick. He didn't miss - some of the shots he was making were ridiculous. Morrison is a great pure offensive player but I think Redick is a better all around player and has an amazing bball IQ. Plus Redick keeps his cool better in games then Morrison, he doesn't get as rattled. I dunno .. it's so hard, and I change my opinion each week. My two favorite players - easily, and I've been following them both through their whole collegate careers.

nizzlefoshizzle

01/28/06, 08:25 PM

Well your wrong. You obviously do not watch gonzaga because Morrison isn't their only good player. Batista averages 19.3 points a game and is a very solid post player. Morrison averages 18.7 shots a game to Redicks 17.4. So I dont see how he takes so many more shots then Morrison. I will still stand by morrison being a better player but it is pretty obvious redick is the second best

First of all, it's you're not your. Second, I'm not wrong because it's an opinion. Duke also has a tougher schedule than Gonzaga, they are in a conference that constantly has 4 or 5 teams that are ranked. This means that Redick is playing against more talented teams (yes i realize the zags have played UCONN, Memphis, Michigan State Maryland, and Washington) but the rest of the teams that they have played havent really been all that talented which gives Morrison the opportunity to go crazy.

I'm not going to argue this anymore because statistically they are pretty close to each other, but I just think Redick is the best shooter playing the game of basketball right now. Maybe they will meet in March and we will find out.

Clarett'sGreyGoose

01/28/06, 08:26 PM

I can't do it .. haha, it's too hard. My two favorite players ... but if I had to, after tonight - Redick. He didn't miss - some of the shots he was making were ridiculous. Morrison is a great pure offensive player but I think Redick is a better all around player and has an amazing bball IQ. Plus Redick keeps his cool better in games then Morrison, he doesn't get as rattled. I dunno .. it's so hard, and I change my opinion each week. My two favorite players - easily, and I've been following them both through their whole collegate careers.
So Tate have you heard the Brand New de-.....just kidding. :O

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 08:30 PM

I love Morrison, but player of the year goes to Redick - he's the most prolific shooter in college basketball in a long time.

nizzlefoshizzle

01/28/06, 08:31 PM

I love Morrison, but player of the year goes to Redick - he's the most prolific shooter in college basketball in a long time.

Damn Straight

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 08:33 PM

First of all, it's you're not your. Second, I'm not wrong because it's an opinion. Duke also has a tougher schedule than Gonzaga, they are in a conference that constantly has 4 or 5 teams that are ranked. This means that Redick is playing against more talented teams (yes i realize the zags have played UCONN, Memphis, Michigan State Maryland, and Washington) but the rest of the teams that they have played havent really been all that talented which gives Morrison the opportunity to go crazy.

I'm not going to argue this anymore because statistically they are pretty close to each other, but I just think Redick is the best shooter playing the game of basketball right now. Maybe they will meet in March and we will find out.Well I said you were wrong for other reasons other then just your opinion. You tried saying that Morrison takes a lot of shots when he basically takes one more then redick. Then you tried saying gonzaga didnt have any other really good players which you were wrong again because batista is a pretty damn good player. That is fine if you think redick is a better player. My point was you gave inaccurate arguments in your first post

nizzlefoshizzle

01/28/06, 08:38 PM

Well I said you were wrong for other reasons other then just your opinion. You tried saying that Morrison takes a lot of shots when he basically takes one more then redick. Then you tried saying gonzaga didnt have any other really good players which you were wrong again because batista is a pretty damn good player. That is fine if you think redick is a better player. My point was you gave inaccurate arguments in your first post

My bad, I misunderstood that. I was also looking at the power rankings on cbssportsline.com and they have sheldon williams ahead of morrison in the power rankings, which i thought was weird.

Chriz2z

01/28/06, 08:39 PM

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 08:39 PM

My bad, I misunderstood that. I was also looking at the power rankings on cbssportsline.com and they have sheldon williams ahead of morrison in the power rankings, which i thought was weird.that is weird, almost anybody that watches college basketball will agree that redick and morrison are the two best players

nizzlefoshizzle

01/28/06, 08:41 PM

But please, shave the stache Morrison!

HAHAHAHAHA, I totally agree.

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 08:42 PM

Morrison is freaking insanely good. Without him, Gonzaga doesn't win their conference. He his the heart of the team, but I think Dan Dickau paved the way for Gonzaga, and he didn't get the credit he deserved when he was in college. But please, shave the stache Morrison! i love dan dickau, and was great how he got first team all-american in college, but he did not pave the way for gonzaga. Players like matt santagelo, richie frahm, casey calvery did

ThexQuietxCull

01/28/06, 08:42 PM

right now, id have to give my nod to morrison. but they are so damn close in scoring and shots per game. something to point out though is gonzaga doesn't have to play anymore ranked teams all year, while duke gets to play boston college, unc twice, and maryland.

i wish my wolfpack could get another crack at them

G-Unit

01/28/06, 08:49 PM

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 08:55 PM

redick got his 40 points on 11 of 13 field goals, 8 of 10 from beyond the arc, 10 of 11 free throws, 4 rebs, 2 steals, and an assist.
morrison got his 42 on 14/25 fg, 2/6 from 3, 13/20 free throws made, 5 rebs, and also 2 steals and an assist.

do the math....................JJ is your boy
That's kind of a dumb thing to say, Morrison's FG% this season is 52.2% and Redick's is 49.4% - you can't just take one game to decide it, I could very easily tell you to "do the math" but the argument isn't that simple.

G-Unit

01/28/06, 08:57 PM

That's kind of a dumb thing to say, Morrison's FG% this season is 52.2% and Redick's is 49.4% - you can't just take one game to decide it, I could very easily tell you to "do the math" but the argument isn't that simple.

best three point shooter/free throw shooter of all time? could very well be dukes all time leading scorer. compare the duke program to gonzaga. make it easier?

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 08:58 PM

Clarett'sGreyGoose

01/28/06, 09:01 PM

best three point shooter/free throw shooter of all time? could very well be dukes all time leading scorer. compare the duke program to gonzaga. make it easier?

It's called player of the YEAR. not of the last 4.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:02 PM

best three point shooter/free throw shooter of all time? could very well be dukes all time leading scorer. compare the duke program to gonzaga. make it easier?
Redick is the best three point shooter of all time? On what basis? Certainly not percentage...He's amazing, I take nothing away from him, but that argument is totally over the top. There's been some amazing gunners in college basketball, including Steve Kerr, Glen Rice, Dennis Scott, etc. He defintely has the FT%, although his % is way down this year. I don't understand what program reputation has to do with the award, in fact that's something I personally believe shouldn't be taken into consideration at ALL, because that leads to media bias.

nizzlefoshizzle

01/28/06, 09:07 PM

Redick is the best three point shooter of all time? On what basis? Certainly not percentage...He's amazing, I take nothing away from him, but that argument is totally over the top. There's been some amazing gunners in college basketball, including Steve Kerr, Glen Rice, Dennis Scott, etc. He defintely has the FT%, although his % is way down this year. I don't understand what program reputation has to do with the award, in fact that's something I personally believe shouldn't be taken into consideration at ALL, because that leads to media bias.

The only thing I can think of that would make the program reputation come into play is that maybe it adds pressure to the player and it probably also means the school has a tough schedule.

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 09:08 PM

best three point shooter/free throw shooter of all time? could very well be dukes all time leading scorer. compare the duke program to gonzaga. make it easier?steve kerr's senior year when they introduced the 3 point line he shot 57.3%. There is no way you can tell me redick is a better three point shooter

G-Unit

01/28/06, 09:08 PM

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:24 PM

steve kerr's senior year when they introduced the 3 point line he shot 57.3%. There is no way you can tell me redick is a better three point shooter
Look at the numbers, that's all. He's going to be (by the end of the year) the #1 3pt shooter ever I believe ..

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:25 PM

Redick is the best three point shooter of all time? On what basis? Certainly not percentage...He's amazing, I take nothing away from him, but that argument is totally over the top. There's been some amazing gunners in college basketball, including Steve Kerr, Glen Rice, Dennis Scott, etc. He defintely has the FT%, although his % is way down this year. I don't understand what program reputation has to do with the award, in fact that's something I personally believe shouldn't be taken into consideration at ALL, because that leads to media bias.
The numbers for most 3pts made - ever, will be Redick at the end of the year. That's where the argument comes from I believe ... he won't have the best %, I think he'll be top 3 though - but he'll have most made. He's on track to be the #1 scorer of all time for Duke - and he's like #4 in the ACC for all time scoring as well.

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:27 PM

My bad, I misunderstood that. I was also looking at the power rankings on cbssportsline.com and they have sheldon williams ahead of morrison in the power rankings, which i thought was weird.
If you take rebounds/blocks into account - thats when Willams makes a strong statement.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:28 PM

another point, JJ's numbers come against more reputable opponents. zags have played 5 ranked opponents, with losses to THREE of them. duke has played 6 and has lost to NONE of them.

i compared programs cause JJ could lead DUKES program in points, a much better program than gonzaga. better accomplishment. hes done so much, consistently.
Is this award for team wins, reputation of school, or difficulty of conference? No. It's for the most oustanding player in the nation. You really need to throw away your Duke biases and look at this subjectively. I agree with you that JJ wins player of the year, but your arguments aren't great...especially when you say "consistently" when everybody knows that JJ is a streaky shooter, that's the only reason his FG% and 3PT% are lower than you'd think. It's just not as clear cut as you think.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:29 PM

The numbers for most 3pts made - ever, will be Redick at the end of the year. That's where the argument comes from I believe ... he won't have the best %, I think he'll be top 3 though - but he'll have most made. He's on track to be the #1 scorer of all time for Duke - and he's like #4 in the ACC for all time scoring as well.
Gotcha, that's fine, but most 3ptrs is different than best 3 point shooter - I don't see anybody calling Kareem Abdul-Jabaar the best scorer in NBA history.

JJ was insane tonight though. What a game.

G-Unit

01/28/06, 09:36 PM

Is this award for team wins, reputation of school, or difficulty of conference? No. It's for the most oustanding player in the nation. You really need to throw away your Duke biases and look at this subjectively. I agree with you that JJ wins player of the year, but your arguments aren't great...especially when you say "consistently" when everybody knows that JJ is a streaky shooter, that's the only reason his FG% and 3PT% are lower than you'd think. It's just not as clear cut as you think.

yo duke plays better teams, i thought it was pretty obvioius. youre gonna get better numbers playing daycamps like san francisco and saint marys

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:38 PM

Is this award for team wins, reputation of school, or difficulty of conference? No. It's for the most oustanding player in the nation. You really need to throw away your Duke biases and look at this subjectively. I agree with you that JJ wins player of the year, but your arguments aren't great...especially when you say "consistently" when everybody knows that JJ is a streaky shooter, that's the only reason his FG% and 3PT% are lower than you'd think. It's just not as clear cut as you think.

I think the numbers are better then you think ...

This year -
42% from 3pt range
49% FG

And anyone that watches Duke games knows the kind of defense he is doing this against.

Side note: I can't find Kerr's college stats, but his NBA ones are up here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=177 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=177)

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 09:39 PM

Side note: I can't find Kerr's college stats, but his NBA ones are up here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=177 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=177)

http://thedraftreview.com/history/drafted1988/Kerr-Steve.htm

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:40 PM

Gotcha, that's fine, but most 3ptrs is different than best 3 point shooter - I don't see anybody calling Kareem Abdul-Jabaar the best scorer in NBA history.

JJ was insane tonight though. What a game.
He was the best scorer in NBA history - with 38,387 points in his lifetime.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:41 PM

I think the numbers are better then you think ...

This year -
42% from 3pt range
49% FG

And anyone that watches Duke games knows the kind of defense he is doing this against.

Side note: I can't find Kerr's college stats, but his NBA ones are up here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=177 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=177)
Yeah, JJ's been a lot better this year for sure. He's really stepped it up and has been more consistent. Steve Kerr made 114 of 199 threes his senior year at Arizona for 57.2% - absolutely insane. Nobody will ever match that.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kerrst01.html

G-Unit

01/28/06, 09:41 PM

streaky shooter earlier in his career, hes shooting near 50% this year and only missed two three pointers tonight and still put up 40 points. and youre right his free throw percentage is down.....to a disgusting 86% mainly in part to his more diverse game and the abuse he takes.

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:41 PM

http://thedraftreview.com/history/drafted1988/Kerr-Steve.htm
He has a very, very, low shots per game too .. kinda hard to compare.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:44 PM

He was the best scorer in NBA history - with 38,387 points in his lifetime.
But that's not the point. Kareem wasn't the best shooter in NBA history, he just played a really really long time and scored a shitload of points. Chamberlain was a better scorer than Kareem, so was Jordan, etc. Career totals don't equate to everything is all I'm saying. I mean, Dennis Scott holds the record for most 3 pointers made in a season, but I wouldn't call that season the best 3 point shooting season ever - he just jacked up a ton of shots.

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:44 PM

Yeah, JJ's been a lot better this year for sure. He's really stepped it up and has been more consistent. Steve Kerr made 114 of 199 threes his senior year at Arizona for 57.2% - absolutely insane. Nobody will ever match that.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kerrst01.html
Redick's already taken 168 3 pointers this year (made 71) - it's hard to compare the two (in my opinion).

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:45 PM

But that's not the point. Kareem wasn't the best shooter in NBA history, he just played a really really long time and scored a shitload of points. Chamberlain was a better scorer than Kareem, so was Jordan, etc. Career totals don't equate to everything is all I'm saying. I mean, Dennis Scott holds the record for most 3 pointers made in a season, but I wouldn't call that season the best 3 point shooting season ever - he just jacked up a ton of shots.
And I disagree and say he's the best scorer (we weren't talking shooter, we were talking scorer) in the NBA's history - because .... he was.

Career totals equate to alot for me, and most people, because a player's ability should be judged by a career, not a game, and not a season. People go on 2 great season runs - but no one even knows who they are now (Isiah Rider is a great example of a forgotten "going to be great" player, he was good for 2 seasons, now BLOWS - careers matter alot).

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:45 PM

He has a very, very, low shots per game too .. kinda hard to compare.
Kerr still shot about 5 threes a game.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:46 PM

And I disagree and say he's the best scorer in the NBA's history - because .... he was.
I couldn't disagree with you more, I don't think "best" is defined by who played the longest and tallied the most points, I think it's determined by points per game, threat to score, etc...I'd call what Kareem did "most."

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:49 PM

I couldn't disagree with you more, I don't think "best" is defined by who played the longest and tallied the most points, I think it's determined by points per game, threat to score, etc...I'd call what Kareem did "most."
I think you should talk to someone that watched him play ... just because you only remember Jordan, doesn't mean those that came before him should be forgotten. He didn't play the longest - he played a long time and DOMINATED for almost 100% of his career ... I understand you didn't see him play, but don't discount him at all.

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 09:53 PM

theres no doubt jj is a great three point shooter, it is just my opinion that kerr was a better 3 point shooter

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 09:53 PM

I think you should talk to someone that watched him play ... just because you only remember Jordan, doesn't mean those that came before him should be forgotten.
You probably didn't see him play much either, you're only 5 months older than me. He's not forgotten, you can look at his statistics and see that he wasn't as prolific as a scorer as Jordan or Chamberlain was, he just played much longer (after his statistics took a sharp decline). He managed to play 20 seasons, which is remarkable, but I still wouldn't call him the "best" scorer, he just has the most points. i don't discount Kareem, his stats towards the first half of his career are ridiculous, but they're not as good as Chamberlain's points-wise.

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:55 PM

You probably didn't see him play much either, you're only 5 months older than me. He's not forgotten, you can look at his statistics and see that he wasn't as prolific as a scorer as Jordan or Chamberlain was, he just played much longer (after his statistics took a sharp decline). He managed to play 20 seasons, which is remarkable, but I still wouldn't call him the "best" scorer, he just has the most points. i don't discount Kareem, his stats towards the first half of his career are ridiculous, but they're not as good as Chamberlain's points-wise.
So, fg%, ppg, an average of both, or what makes someone the "best scorer."

Jason Tate

01/28/06, 09:56 PM

You probably didn't see him play much either, you're only 5 months older than me. He's not forgotten, you can look at his statistics and see that he wasn't as prolific as a scorer as Jordan or Chamberlain was, he just played much longer (after his statistics took a sharp decline). He managed to play 20 seasons, which is remarkable, but I still wouldn't call him the "best" scorer, he just has the most points. i don't discount Kareem, his stats towards the first half of his career are ridiculous, but they're not as good as Chamberlain's points-wise.
I was forced to watch the games as a kid when I played basketball to learn how to play.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 10:02 PM

I can see the argument on both sides. It's really not that important.

On another note, when I was in like 4th grade, we had our post-season basketball pizza party and our coach gave everyone basketball cards of who he thought our game most represented. Of course, somebody got Jordan, somebody got Hakeem, Barkley, etc....I got Mitch Richmond. Haha.

Drew Beringer

01/28/06, 10:21 PM

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 10:24 PM

Hahahahahaha, so you were good at 3's then?haha i live on the three pointer when i play

Drew Beringer

01/28/06, 10:26 PM

haha i live on the three pointer when i play

I love the 3ball, but I am a better midrange shooter. I'm too streaky at 3, sometimes I'll make 10 in a row and then I'll go cold and miss like 15.

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 10:29 PM

I love the 3ball, but I am a better midrange shooter. I'm too streaky at 3, sometimes I'll make 10 in a row and then I'll go cold and miss like 15.haha, ya the 3 is best part of my game. Gotta love the midrange game though

Drew Beringer

01/28/06, 10:36 PM

haha, ya the 3 is best part of my game. Gotta love the midrange game though

Haha, I wish we could get an AP game together, like Staff vs. Sports forum regulars. haha

somethingyellow

01/28/06, 10:40 PM

Haha, I wish we could get an AP game together, like Staff vs. Sports forum regulars. hahathat would be so fun

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 10:51 PM

Hahahahahaha, so you were good at 3's then?
haha yeah, baseline 3 balls baby

Drew Beringer

01/28/06, 10:54 PM

haha yeah, baseline 3 balls baby

wooo, were you #2 like Mitch? Cause that would make it even cooler.

Scott Weber

01/28/06, 11:08 PM

wooo, were you #2 like Mitch? Cause that would make it even cooler.
00 baby!

G-Unit

01/29/06, 12:09 AM

watch jordans top 10 dunks on google video, so nasty. i miss watching him play

Drew Beringer

01/29/06, 12:10 AM

00 baby!

Haha, I was 53.

Drew Beringer

01/29/06, 12:10 AM

watch jordans top 10 dunks on google video, so nasty. i miss watching him play

Yeah, I posted that video on here a few months ago, so awesome, I love MJ.

G-Unit

01/29/06, 12:15 AM

Yeah, I posted that video on here a few months ago, so awesome, I love MJ.

you see the french guy on there, best dunker of all time. nike uses the song in the video for the new nikebasketball commercial

fluke182

01/29/06, 12:48 AM

I love Morrison, but player of the year goes to Redick - he's the most prolific shooter in college basketball in a long time.
Since Trajan Langdon...HEYOOOOOO!!!!

Scott Weber

01/29/06, 12:53 AM

Since Trajan Langdon...HEYOOOOOO!!!!
The alaskan assasin!!

Jason Tate

01/29/06, 12:58 AM

The alaskan assasin!!
I am booooored, argue with me over something .. otherwise I have to go to bed and wait for the moving company to come tomorrow! Haha. I need a desssssk.. typing on the floor makes it hard to do any work on the website (hence me hanging out in these forums).

Scott Weber

01/29/06, 01:03 AM

I am booooored, argue with me over something .. otherwise I have to go to bed and wait for the moving company to come tomorrow! Haha. I need a desssssk.. typing on the floor makes it hard to do any work on the website (hence me hanging out in these forums).
haha, i wish i could spark up a debate now, but i'm sick as hell and i have another 8 hour studying marathon tommorow to tackle, so i gotta hit the sack in a few.

Jason Tate

01/29/06, 01:11 AM

haha, i wish i could spark up a debate now, but i'm sick as hell and i have another 8 hour studying marathon tommorow to tackle, so i gotta hit the sack in a few.
LOL. Okay. I guess I'll just have to go to bed and work on AP tomorrow once I get my damn desk back...

Peace.

nizzlefoshizzle

01/29/06, 02:30 PM

I saw this quote in a friend's away message, I'm not sure what it's from:
It was a performance that had Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski and Virginia coach Dave Leitao gushing about Redick, with Krzyzewski calling him "a treasure" and Leitao comparing Redick's knowledge of the game to that of an NBA veteran.

"What he is doing this season, I think all of us -- players, coaches and media -- should really savor," Leitao said. "He's having a season for the ages. ... We all need to sit back and admire it because it won't happen for a long time after this."

Teammate Sean Dockery, however, was tougher to impress.
"You haven't seen anything," Dockery said. "At practice, sometimes he doesn't miss. It's crazy."