Nhl Mvp

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Thirty games to go, so we all have a pretty good idea who the contenders are...

Poll coming...

[itsjdiggity]

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[somethingyellow]

wheres joe thronton :\

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wheres joe thronton :\

On a last place team. If the MVP goes to him, it's a joke. You can't give the MVP to a guy who's team is in 12th in the West.

[somethingyellow]

On a last place team. If the MVP goes to him, it's a joke. The Pacific is a tough division, but you can't give the MVP to a guy who's team is in 12th in the West.agreed, but if the sharks make the playoffs i think people should at least give him some recognition

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Absolutely.

If San Jose or Atlanta can make a late run, Thornton and Kovalchuk definitely deserve consideration.

[mikeford]

patrick elias is the devils MVP.

he saved our season.

[fromwithin]

heatley should get it. everyone counted him out after the whole car accident, but ottawa definitely got a steal out of this trade. no one can top that line either.

[leafsacc]

Jagr has had an amazing comeback season. I thought he was done.

[Darren McLeod]

I said Alfy, probably because I'm an Ottawa fan, but also because he is what holds the team together. When he was injured, the team was hooped. They couldn't do anything without him. He might be behind Jagr in points, but he's also played less games because of the injuries.

Then again, look at who Alfy's playing with... almost anyone would be a top-10 point getter with Spezza and Heatley. Jagr is doing damn well without that talent. It's a toss-up, but I went with Alfy.

[mikeford]

heatley should get it. everyone counted him out after the whole car accident, but ottawa definitely got a steal out of this trade. no one can top that line either.

fuck dany heatly. what a scumbag.

[YourLatestVicti]

heatley should get it. everyone counted him out after the whole car accident, but ottawa definitely got a steal out of this trade. no one can top that line either.
I disagree with giving it to him. He's a had a great year but you could debate he's not even the most valuable player on his team. That's why I feel it has to be Jagr, he's done so much with so little around him.

[fromwithin]

I disagree with giving it to him. He's a had a great year but you could debate he's not even the most valuable player on his team. That's why I feel it has to be Jagr, he's done so much with so little around him.

yet the rangers have spent the most money out of any team on free agents in the last 5 years. thats real credible. at least ottawa built up their team, with the exception of hasek.

[Darren McLeod]

fuck dany heatly. what a scumbag.
Scumbag?

[mikeford]

Scumbag?

yeah, he sort of killed a man.

[Darren McLeod]

yeah, he sort of killed a man.
Excellent reasoning.

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yet the rangers have spent the most money out of any team on free agents in the last 5 years. thats real credible. at least ottawa built up their team, with the exception of hasek.

And how many of those free agents are still with the team?

I guess you missed the memo about the salary cap, and then how the Rangers completely blew up the team and started from scratch...

[justinevans]

Forsberg definitely. The team blows without him.

[mikeford]

also its peter forsberg

petr nedved is the one without the other e.

[YourLatestVicti]

yet the rangers have spent the most money out of any team on free agents in the last 5 years. thats real credible. at least ottawa built up their team, with the exception of hasek.
Yet the facts remain Jagr has much less talent around him while you can debate Heatley not being his TEAM mvp.

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also its peter forsberg

petr nedved is the one without the other e.

My mistake.

[Darren McLeod]

also its peter forsberg

petr nedved is the one without the other e.
It's also Dany Heatley, not Danny.

I fixed it for you, Goodbye Forever.

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:shoot:

[Dirty Ernie]

Forsberg definitely. The team blows without him.


agreed, and gagne is near the top of the scoring leaders because foresberg makes everyone that much better...the one thing you can count on killing the flyers cup dreams every year is injuries

[Brownpants06]

I'd have to say Eric Staal. He is having a fantasic year with carolina and their first place standing.

My second choice would be Dany Heatley. Might even put Marty Turco on the list he's having a great year as well.

[bigmike]

the right answer is jagr.
the sentimental/biased answer is Legace. even though he shouldn't be considered in it. he's not even the team MVP let alone, the league.

[Dirty Ernie]

the right answer is jagr.
the sentimental/biased answer is Legace. even though he shouldn't be considered in it. he's not even the team MVP let alone, the league.


i would argue that heatly would be the sentimental pick, like bruschi with comeback player of the year

[bigmike]

i would argue that heatly would be the sentimental pick, like bruschi with comeback player of the year

it would be if i lived in ottawa.
which I don't.

[Darren McLeod]

it would be if i lived in ottawa.
which I don't.
Well, you have to admit it's amazing that he has come back from something as traumatic as he went through, moved to a new team, and having a year like this. To me, it'd be the sentimental pick.

[bigmike]

Well, you have to admit it's amazing that he has come back from something as traumatic as he went through, moved to a new team, and having a year like this. To me, it'd be the sentimental pick.

oh, i'm not denying that. i'm just stating that since i live in michigan, and watching manny legace never get a starting shot under dave lewis despite out playing curtis joseph for a couple of years, he's my sentimental pick, as a wings fan.

what heatly has done is nothing short of excellent, after going through something that pins you as responsible for killing a teammate. i wasn't ever sure if he could return to his full potential or not, but he has, and it's amazing.

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paul kariya

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

On a last place team. If the MVP goes to him, it's a joke. You can't give the MVP to a guy who's team is in 12th in the West.
Dude, that's an ignorant statement right there.

San Jose is in 12th place in the West, yes. But what you don't see by just GLANCING at the standings, is that Vancouver (6th, 63 pts.), Colorado (7th, 61 pts.), Phoenix (9th, 54 pts.) all have played 4 more games than San Jose.

Also, Edmonton (8th, 60 pts.) and Minnesota (10th, 54 pts.) have played 3 more games than the Sharks, and Anaheim (11th, 54 pts.) has played one more.

San Jose sits at 12th in the West with 52 points, but hypothetically, if they played as many games as the Canucks, Avalance or Coyotes, could have as many as 60 points, which would put them in 8th place.

Also, The Sharks were 8-12-4 when they acquired Thornton. They're now 23-19-6, for a 15-7-2 record with him.

He's scored 36 points for them in 24 games. 1.5 ppg.

If you can tell me who, besides Joe Thornton, is responsible for the Sharks' turnaround, please do.

As soon as they made that trade, the team went on a tear that hasn't stopped yet.

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brian gionta

[Flags of Dawn]

yeah, he sort of killed a man.
yeah because there's a gray area when it comes to killing someone. that shit could've happened to anyone, its not like he's unremorseful about it, he asked for a trade because he couldn't handle seeing his teammate's number hanging from the rafters every home game...give the guy a break.

and if he doesn't win an MVP this year, which might be unlikely anyway, he'll have at least one at some point in his career...barring any serious injury of course.

[Darren McLeod]

yeah because there's a gray area when it comes to killing someone. that shit could've happened to anyone, its not like he's unremorseful about it, he asked for a trade because he couldn't handle seeing his teammate's number hanging from the rafters every home game...give the guy a break.

and if he doesn't win an MVP this year, which might be unlikely anyway, he'll have at least one at some point in his career...barring any serious injury of course.
Thank you.

[mikeford]

yeah driving recklessly in a ferrari... that could happen to anyone.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i voted for jagr. just because him forsberg and hasek are the names that ring a bell...and im most familiar with jagr. i hate hockey. it just bores the fuck out of me unless im there...

laugh at me, but how long has jagr not played for the penguins.

[somethingyellow]

i voted for jagr. just because him forsberg and hasek are the names that ring a bell...and im most familiar with jagr. i hate hockey. it just bores the fuck out of me unless im there...

laugh at me, but how long has jagr not played for the penguins.he left the penguins in 2001

[number2alien]

yeah, he sort of killed a man.

Please stop watching hockey.

[Flags of Dawn]

yeah driving recklessly in a ferrari... that could happen to anyone.
hi, im reality....have we met?

[The Don]

Right now, the MVP has to be either Jagr or Staal. Nobody thought their teams would be as good as they are this year, and these two guys are the main reasons for that.

The Ottawa threesome is having a great year, but that team is stacked, so I hesitate to give MVP to any of them, though Hasek could make the best case for it.

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Dude, that's an ignorant statement right there.

San Jose is in 12th place in the West, yes. But what you don't see by just GLANCING at the standings, is that Vancouver (6th, 63 pts.), Colorado (7th, 61 pts.), Phoenix (9th, 54 pts.) all have played 4 more games than San Jose.

Also, Edmonton (8th, 60 pts.) and Minnesota (10th, 54 pts.) have played 3 more games than the Sharks, and Anaheim (11th, 54 pts.) has played one more.

San Jose sits at 12th in the West with 52 points, but hypothetically, if they played as many games as the Canucks, Avalance or Coyotes, could have as many as 60 points, which would put them in 8th place.

Also, The Sharks were 8-12-4 when they acquired Thornton. They're now 23-19-6, for a 15-7-2 record with him.

He's scored 36 points for them in 24 games. 1.5 ppg.

If you can tell me who, besides Joe Thornton, is responsible for the Sharks' turnaround, please do.

As soon as they made that trade, the team went on a tear that hasn't stopped yet.

If you had read a whole two posts later, you would've seen me saying that if the Sharks could make a run, he definitely deserves consideration.

The fact of the matter is that at this point, his team is in 12th in the West. If they had played as many games as the 8th place team and won them all, they'd still be out of the playoffs.

And about that 'tear' that hasn't stopped... They started off 6-0, and have gone 9-7-1 since then. The 'tear' has definitely slown down at least.

[mat1419]

kind of surprised to see gagne left off in favor of forsberg. no denying that forsberg's playmaking has put the puck where gagne needs it to score, and that's probably going to get him team MVP. but for league, they look at the actual stats and gagne is at the top right now because he's the one putting the puck in the net. or was...time to break out of the mini slump flyers...

[Goodbye Forever]

I went with Forsberg instead because he's ahead in assists and points, and the team really revolves around his playmaking.

But hey, that's what other is there for.

[mikeford]

kind of surprised to see gagne left off in favor of forsberg. no denying that forsberg's playmaking has put the puck where gagne needs it to score, and that's probably going to get him team MVP. but for league, they look at the actual stats and gagne is at the top right now because he's the one putting the puck in the net. or was...time to break out of the mini slump flyers...

i think its pretty obvious gagne is not putting up half those numbers without forsberg though.

[weezer182]

i went with alfredsson

[Kyner]

Eric Staal, he's 21 and leading the team to the best record in the Eastern Conference. Ottawa is chalk full of talent, along with Detroit. Forsberg has Gagne. 2nd is Jagr for having an excellent season. I don't think anyone out of New York thought they were going to be this good this year. Staal is young and doesn't have the players around him that any of these other guys have. Carolina just acquired Doug Weight.....watch out!

[bigmike]

Eric Staal, he's 21 and leading the team to the best record in the Eastern Conference. Ottawa is chalk full of talent, along with Detroit. Forsberg has Gagne. 2nd is Jagr for having an excellent season. I don't think anyone out of New York thought they were going to be this good this year. Staal is young and doesn't have the players around him that any of these other guys have. Carolina just acquired Doug Weight.....watch out!
he's got talent around him. this is detroits least talented team in years.

[LostSymphonies]

fuck dany heatly. what a scumbag.

you're a scumbag

[richter915]

he's got talent around him. this is detroits least talented team in years.
detroit easily has some of the best young talent in the league...Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Jason Williams, and Manny Legace are all future (if not already) all stars and hall of famers.

[richter915]

yet the rangers have spent the most money out of any team on free agents in the last 5 years. thats real credible. at least ottawa built up their team, with the exception of hasek.
ya how about the new salary cap? they cut so much shit from the team for that that it really puts most teams on a fair level now in regards to money.

name all the players they bought in the past five seasons and how many are still there...I can name ONE...Jagr...Bure, Holik, Lindros, Kovalev...all gone...not to mention them getting rid of Brian Leetch. So ya, shove it.

[bigmike]

detroit easily has some of the best young talent in the league...Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Jason Williams, and Manny Legace are all future (if not already) all stars and hall of famers.

yes, but it's nothing compared to their teams in the past.

and only datsyuk and zetterberg are hall of fame caliber players of the 4 you mentioned. manny is going to be a great goalie for a long time, but not an HOFer. Jason Williams while being speedy with some sick moves and maybe the teams hardest shot, isn't a HOFer caliber player, either.

it's the least talented team they've had.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Still, I look at 19 votes for Jagr, and he's not the MOST important player to his team. Yes, he's got a shit load of points, but he also has a decent amount of talent around him. Same with the Ottawa guys. and Peter Forsberg.

[justinevans]

the rangers would not win if it were not for lundqvist. excuse me for the spelling. he is the mvp of the rangers.

[Flags of Dawn]

you're a scumbag
dont worry, he thinks the devils are better than philly because NJ won the cup a few years ago, and despite philly being ahead of them in the standings. opinion is pretty much invalid.

[LostSymphonies]

dont worry, he thinks the devils are better than philly because NJ won the cup a few years ago, and despite philly being ahead of them in the standings. opinion is pretty much invalid.

haha wow, talk about mistaken on his part

[mat1419]

i know i mentioned gagne as a potential guy too and threw it out there to see if people thought he was as worthy as forsberg, but i'm watching yet another flyers game where they just cannot score without forsberg in the lineup. if he gets healthy and leads them to a ruin, its him.

[bigmike]

the rangers would not win if it were not for lundqvist. excuse me for the spelling. he is the mvp of the rangers.

i think lundqvist has a case for rookie of the year. even though he won't win it.