Kobe Kobe Kobe.

[fromwithin]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5293688

We all know youre a ballhog, dont be embarASSed about it.

[Caleb Cattivera]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5293688

We all know youre a ballhog, dont be embarASSed about it.

ballhog? or has shitty teammates with no one to pass to. id say the latter, yet he still can pull off four or five assists a game.

[weezer182]

ballhog? or has shitty teammates with no one to pass to. id say the latter, yet he still can pull off four or five assists a game.4 assist to me isnt that impressive though for the amount he has the ball. marbury averages 7 a game and iverson averages 7.5 assist a game and no one would really say they look to pass first

[EnderDove]

I would rather hear about his rape trial than the constant talk about how much he will score each night.

[CallMeChief]

i'm tired of hearing about it, but it's ESPN's fault, not his. Oddly enough, over the years ive developed a liking for Kobe, and i agree with the fact that he has no one to pass to. Odom's a great player, i just dont think he works at all in that system, the games ive seen (not many but...) he just seems very awkward on the court. I like him alot, though, i really hope he gets out of there

[ActorInThisPlay]

i'm tired of hearing about it, but it's ESPN's fault, not his. Oddly enough, over the years ive developed a liking for Kobe, and i agree with the fact that he has no one to pass to. Odom's a great player, i just dont think he works at all in that system, the games ive seen (not many but...) he just seems very awkward on the court. I like him alot, though, i really hope he gets out of there
well then Kobe needs to do a better job of integrating him into more of a style of play he is better at.

[GeorgeMichaelBluth]

4 assist to me isnt that impressive though for the amount he has the ball. marbury averages 7 a game and iverson averages 7.5 assist a game and no one would really say they look to pass first

They are point guards though... they should have more assist.. Kobe is a shooting guard.. he puts out 4 1/2 assists + 6 rpg, all while managing many more points that either of them. And look where AI's and Marbury's teams are.. Look at Kobe's team. 3 games over .500... not bad for a bunch of sucks. right?

[ActorInThisPlay]

They are point guards though... they should have more assist.. Kobe is a shooting guard.. he puts out 4 1/2 assists + 6 rpg, all while managing many more points that either of them. And look where AI's and Marbury's teams are.. Look at Kobe's team. 3 games over .500... not bad for a bunch of sucks. right?
1 Steve Nash , PHX 11.3
2 Baron Davis , GSW 9.4
3 Chauncey Billups , DET 8.6
4 Andre Miller , DEN 8.3
5 Brevin Knight , CHA 8.2
6 Jason Kidd , NJN 7.9
7 Allen Iverson , PHI 7.5
8 Chris Paul , NOK 7.4
9 Stephon Marbury , NYK 6.9
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 6.9
11 Luke Ridnour , SEA 6.8
12 Kirk Hinrich , CHI 6.5
13 Sam Cassell , LAC 6.4
14 T.J. Ford , MIL 6.3
15 LeBron James , CLE 6.3
16 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 6.0
17 Steve Francis , ORL 5.9
18 Boris Diaw , PHX 5.8
19 Tony Parker , SAS 5.8
20 Joe Johnson , ATL 5.7
21 Chris Duhon , CHI 5.6
22 Mike Bibby , SAC 5.5
23 Lamar Odom , LAL 5.4
24 Brad Miller , SAC 5.2
25 Jose Calderon , TOR 5.2
26 Ricky Davis , MIN-BOS 5.1
27 Mike James , TOR 5.1
28 Marko Jaric , MIN 5.1
29 Paul Pierce , BOS 4.6
30 Kevin Garnett , MIN 4.5
31 Jameer Nelson , ORL 4.4
32 Speedy Claxton , NOK 4.4
33 Eric Snow , CLE 4.4
34 Kobe Bryant , LAL 4.3

all the players in front of Kobe for APG and not all of them guards....WOW! Hell even Odom has more assists then him.

[CallMeChief]

well then Kobe needs to do a better job of integrating him into more of a style of play he is better at.

true, but i've never seen him as a good leader, just as a great player. unfortunately it's a catch 22, because he doesnt want to be on a team where hes not the leader, but he cant have any star players around him because he's not a good enough leader to make them better (i.e. steve nash, jason kidd, shaquille o'neal, as much as i hate him, etc.)

[CallMeChief]

1 Steve Nash , PHX 44 37.0 499 11.3 175 4.0 14.7 2.85
2 Baron Davis , GSW 41 38.4 386 9.4 121 3.0 11.8 3.19
3 Chauncey Billups , DET 42 36.1 360 8.6 98 2.3 11.4 3.67
4 Andre Miller , DEN 46 36.6 383 8.3 137 3.0 10.9 2.8
5 Brevin Knight , CHA 42 31.6 346 8.2 83 2.0 12.5 4.17
6 Jason Kidd , NJN 42 36.5 332 7.9 104 2.5 10.4 3.19
7 Allen Iverson , PHI 42 43.4 317 7.5 136 3.2 8.3 2.33
8 Chris Paul , NOK 43 35.8 319 7.4 102 2.4 9.9 3.13
9 Stephon Marbury , NYK 40 39.2 276 6.9 115 2.9 8.4 2.4
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 44 39.0 303 6.9 144 3.3 8.5 2.1
11 Luke Ridnour , SEA 41 33.8 277 6.8 81 2.0 9.6 3.42
12 Kirk Hinrich , CHI 42 35.9 273 6.5 99 2.4 8.7 2.76
13 Sam Cassell , LAC 42 34.5 269 6.4 99 2.4 8.9 2.72
14 T.J. Ford , MIL 38 36.5 241 6.3 120 3.2 8.3 2.01
15 LeBron James , CLE 43 41.6 270 6.3 145 3.4 7.2 1.86
16 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 41 41.5 247 6.0 155 3.8 7.0 1.59
17 Steve Francis , ORL 36 37.2 211 5.9 127 3.5 7.6 1.66
18 Boris Diaw , PHX 44 32.8 257 5.8 94 2.1 8.6 2.73
19 Tony Parker , SAS 45 34.3 260 5.8 136 3.0 8.1 1.91
20 Joe Johnson , ATL 43 38.6 243 5.7 139 3.2 7.0 1.75
21 Chris Duhon , CHI 42 32.2 234 5.6 66 1.6 8.3 3.54
22 Mike Bibby , SAC 44 38.1 242 5.5 110 2.5 6.9 2.2
23 Lamar Odom , LAL 43 39.3 234 5.4 121 2.8 6.6 1.93
24 Brad Miller , SAC 44 37.5 229 5.2 102 2.3 6.7 2.24
25 Jose Calderon , TOR 40 26.0 207 5.2 74 1.8 9.6 2.8
26 Ricky Davis , MIN-BOS 45 41.3 231 5.1 124 2.8 6.0 1.86
27 Mike James , TOR 43 34.2 220 5.1 92 2.1 7.2 2.39
28 Marko Jaric , MIN 43 32.5 219 5.1 91 2.1 7.5 2.41
29 Paul Pierce , BOS 45 38.8 209 4.6 146 3.2 5.7 1.43
30 Kevin Garnett , MIN 43 38.8 194 4.5 95 2.2 5.6 2.04
31 Jameer Nelson , ORL 37 27.8 164 4.4 93 2.5 7.7 1.76
32 Speedy Claxton , NOK 42 28.4 186 4.4 94 2.2 7.5 1.98

all the players in front of Kobe for APG and not all of them guards....WOW! Hell even Odom has more assists then him.

odom passes to kobe ;)

[Ravenna]

boris diaw. nice

[somethingyellow]

boris diaw. nicenash has helped turn him into a real solid player with a HUGE amount of potential

[weezer182]

They are point guards though... they should have more assist.. Kobe is a shooting guard.. he puts out 4 1/2 assists + 6 rpg, all while managing many more points that either of them. And look where AI's and Marbury's teams are.. Look at Kobe's team. 3 games over .500... not bad for a bunch of sucks. right?marbury might be a point guard but iverson is questonable. he plays more like a shooting guard. iverson does average 33.6 points a game. there are other shooting guards that average a lot of points and assist. for example, wade, tmac, vince carter ect.. yes it is impressive that the lakers are doing that well but you have to remember how often kobe has the ball. with the amount that he gets the ball on offense it isnt surprising he can get 4 assist a game. it would be interesting to count how many offense sets a game, where kobe doesnt touch the ball

[GeorgeMichaelBluth]

1 Steve Nash , PHX 44 37.0 499 11.3 175 4.0 14.7 2.85
2 Baron Davis , GSW 41 38.4 386 9.4 121 3.0 11.8 3.19
3 Chauncey Billups , DET 42 36.1 360 8.6 98 2.3 11.4 3.67
4 Andre Miller , DEN 46 36.6 383 8.3 137 3.0 10.9 2.8
5 Brevin Knight , CHA 42 31.6 346 8.2 83 2.0 12.5 4.17
6 Jason Kidd , NJN 42 36.5 332 7.9 104 2.5 10.4 3.19
7 Allen Iverson , PHI 42 43.4 317 7.5 136 3.2 8.3 2.33
8 Chris Paul , NOK 43 35.8 319 7.4 102 2.4 9.9 3.13
9 Stephon Marbury , NYK 40 39.2 276 6.9 115 2.9 8.4 2.4
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 44 39.0 303 6.9 144 3.3 8.5 2.1
11 Luke Ridnour , SEA 41 33.8 277 6.8 81 2.0 9.6 3.42
12 Kirk Hinrich , CHI 42 35.9 273 6.5 99 2.4 8.7 2.76
13 Sam Cassell , LAC 42 34.5 269 6.4 99 2.4 8.9 2.72
14 T.J. Ford , MIL 38 36.5 241 6.3 120 3.2 8.3 2.01
15 LeBron James , CLE 43 41.6 270 6.3 145 3.4 7.2 1.86
16 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 41 41.5 247 6.0 155 3.8 7.0 1.59
17 Steve Francis , ORL 36 37.2 211 5.9 127 3.5 7.6 1.66
18 Boris Diaw , PHX 44 32.8 257 5.8 94 2.1 8.6 2.73
19 Tony Parker , SAS 45 34.3 260 5.8 136 3.0 8.1 1.91
20 Joe Johnson , ATL 43 38.6 243 5.7 139 3.2 7.0 1.75
21 Chris Duhon , CHI 42 32.2 234 5.6 66 1.6 8.3 3.54
22 Mike Bibby , SAC 44 38.1 242 5.5 110 2.5 6.9 2.2
23 Lamar Odom , LAL 43 39.3 234 5.4 121 2.8 6.6 1.93
24 Brad Miller , SAC 44 37.5 229 5.2 102 2.3 6.7 2.24
25 Jose Calderon , TOR 40 26.0 207 5.2 74 1.8 9.6 2.8
26 Ricky Davis , MIN-BOS 45 41.3 231 5.1 124 2.8 6.0 1.86
27 Mike James , TOR 43 34.2 220 5.1 92 2.1 7.2 2.39
28 Marko Jaric , MIN 43 32.5 219 5.1 91 2.1 7.5 2.41
29 Paul Pierce , BOS 45 38.8 209 4.6 146 3.2 5.7 1.43
30 Kevin Garnett , MIN 43 38.8 194 4.5 95 2.2 5.6 2.04
31 Jameer Nelson , ORL 37 27.8 164 4.4 93 2.5 7.7 1.76
32 Speedy Claxton , NOK 42 28.4 186 4.4 94 2.2 7.5 1.98
33 Eric Snow , CLE 43 28.4 188 4.4 58 1.3 7.4 3.24
34 Kobe Bryant , LAL 41 40.8 178 4.3 126 3.1 5.1 1.4

all the players in front of Kobe for APG and not all of them guards....WOW! Hell even Odom has more assists then him.

Here's a list of all the people scoring more than kobe.

[CallMeChief]

nash has helped turn him into a real solid player with a HUGE amount of potential

well said, well said.

[GeorgeMichaelBluth]

marbury might be a point guard but iverson is questonable. he plays more like a shooting guard. iverson does average 33.6 points a game. there are other shooting guards that average a lot of points and assist. for example, wade, tmac, vince carter ect.. yes it is impressive that the lakers are doing that well but you have to remember how often kobe has the ball. with the amount that he gets the ball on offense it isnt surprising he can get 4 assist a game. it would be interesting to count how many offense sets a game, where kobe doesnt touch the ball

Iverson's position is PG... whether he chooses to shoot is his deal. It is kobe's job on the court to shoot the ball. Thats what he does. I don't see the problem. God, I don't even like the guy, but come on. It's not his job to get assists or rebounds, and he still gets an ok amount of both. and he plays good defense.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Here's a list of all the people scoring more than kobe.
and here are the years Kobe has won MVP...oh wait there are none.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Iverson's position is PG... whether he chooses to shoot is his deal. It is kobe's job on the court to shoot the ball. Thats what he does. I don't see the problem. God, I don't even like the guy, but come on. It's not his job to get assists or rebounds, and he still gets an ok amount of both. and he plays good defense.
it's everyone's job on the court to score, it's Kobe's job to lead the team and to make them better, which he is not doing.

[weezer182]

Iverson's position is PG... whether he chooses to shoot is his deal. It is kobe's job on the court to shoot the ball. Thats what he does. I don't see the problem. God, I don't even like the guy, but come on. It's not his job to get assists or rebounds, and he still gets an ok amount of both. and he plays good defense.its iversons job on the court to shoot as well. he is on the floor to score. i didnt say there was a problem i said i wasnt too impressed. why? because he always has the ball. if you have the ball as much as he does you will get some assist as well. the whole offense runs around him

[GeorgeMichaelBluth]

For a guy who has the ball so much, he is tied for the best asst / to ratio in basketball. Yeah, Kobe's team is above .500..... please tell me, who makes them better. Because you put anyone other than kobe there... that team is in the gutter.

[weezer182]

For a guy who has the ball so much, he is tied for the best asst / to ratio in basketball. Yeah, Kobe's team is above .500..... please tell me, who makes them better. Because you put anyone other than kobe there... that team is in the gutter.im too lazy to look that up but if that is the case then it is more impressive that he doesnt turn the ball over as much. 4 assist a game for him isnt that impressive to me

[ActorInThisPlay]

For a guy who has the ball so much, he is tied for the best asst / to ratio in basketball. Yeah, Kobe's team is above .500..... please tell me, who makes them better. Because you put anyone other than kobe there... that team is in the gutter.
yeah true just like any superstar on any team...take away Iverson, Garnett, Nash, etc and you have a worse team...common sense. See players like Nash though, go out and make everyone on their team better by being there. Kobe does not...end of story.

[ActorInThisPlay]

im too lazy to look that up but if that is the case then it is more impressive that he doesnt turn the ball over as much. 4 assist a game for him isnt that impressive to me
yeah Nash's 11.3 APG is impressive to me.

[somethingyellow]

yeah Nash's 11.3 APG is impressive to me. very impressive and it should only go up when amare is back

[getupkid53]

1.4 assist to turnover rating... the top 5 leaders in assists are all in the 3 to 4 range. This could be because they get their passes stolen more often, and since Kobe doesn't pass as much, he has less TO's...

Regardless, Kobe is a scoring machine who plays excellent D, has an ok assist ration, pulls down boards when need be, and has his team in a playoff spot.

[getupkid53]

yeah true just like any superstar on any team...take away Iverson, Garnett, Nash, etc and you have a worse team...common sense. See players like Nash though, go out and make everyone on their team better by being there. Kobe does not...end of story.

Nash is also surrounded by good players. It's not hard to make players better when they aren't bad. Kobe's got Odom... Who else... its a two man roster and a bench squad....

[getupkid53]

yeah true just like any superstar on any team...take away Iverson, Garnett, Nash, etc and you have a worse team...common sense. See players like Nash though, go out and make everyone on their team better by being there. Kobe does not...end of story.

Thing is kobe is single handedly making his team a playoff contender... The others are not (with the exception of nash... who is amazing on all accounts).

[ActorInThisPlay]

1.4 assist to turnover rating... the top 5 leaders in assists are all in the 3 to 4 range. This could be because they get their passes stolen more often, and since Kobe doesn't pass as much, he has less TO's...

Regardless, Kobe is a scoring machine who plays excellent D, has an ok assist ration, pulls down boards when need be, and has his team in a playoff spot.
4.1 is not a good assist ratio at all...sorry. Nash does have good players but they wouldn't be nearly as good without him there. Kobe has some prospects, Odom is good, Parker has shown he can do well, but he doesn't try to utilize them. there is a reason they aren't getting any better and that is because Kobe doesn't allow them too, he isn't creating opportunities for them to have a big game.

[mikeford]

4.1 is not a good assist ratio at all...sorry. Nash does have good players but they wouldn't be nearly as good without him there. Kobe has some prospects, Odom is good, Parker has shown he can do well, but he doesn't try to utilize them. there is a reason they aren't getting any better and that is because Kobe doesn't allow them too, he isn't creating opportunities for them to have a big game.

dude no.

odom doesnt wanna play with kobe and the rest of those dudes are bums and misfits.

kobe is that whole team.

get off his dick and let him score 60 a night.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Thing is kobe is single handedly making his team a playoff contender... The others are not (with the exception of nash... who is amazing on all accounts).
IF they make the playoffs that is, but like I said, you can say that about any team with a superstar. without Nash, Iverson, James, etc. those teams wouldn't be very good.

[last light]

id like to see what the other lakers besides Kobes overall team shot % is.

[ActorInThisPlay]

dude no.

odom doesnt wanna play with kobe and the rest of those dudes are bums and misfits.

kobe is that whole team.

get off his dick and let him score 60 a night.
looks like your the one "on his dick" not me. I don't blame Odom for not wanting to play with a complete ballhog and headcase that is Kobe. I know I wouldn't want to play with him either and that is Kobe's fault.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Player G GS MPG FG%
Kobe Bryant 41 41 40.8 .449
Lamar Odom 43 43 39.5 .456
Smush Parker 43 43 33.7 .455
Chris Mihm 43 42 27.1 .513
Brian Cook 42 17 17.2 .511
Devean George 38 4 22.1 .408
Kwame Brown 33 20 25.8 .467
Luke Walton 31 1 18.8 .361
Laron Profit 25 1 11.2 .476
Sasha Vujacic 43 3 18.8 .349
Von Wafer 12 0 4.9 .167
Andrew Bynum 23 0 6.8 .351
Devin Green 17 0 5.4 .250
Slava Medvedenko 2 0 3.0 .500
Aaron McKie 10 0 8.1 .111
Team Averages 43 0 243.5 .446

looks like Kobe has like the lowest out of the starters...

[somethingyellow]

Nash is also surrounded by good players. It's not hard to make players better when they aren't bad. Kobe's got Odom... Who else... its a two man roster and a bench squad....besides marion the rest of that team isnt anything to brag about. The point is that nash has made guys like diaw, bell, jones thrive to become the best players they can be right now. That is why nash is surrounded by good players because he has made them good. Before this season everybody thought the suns wouldnt even be a playoff team without Amare. If nash was on the lakers they might not have as good as a record, but they still might. The one thing that would happen is the other players on the lakers would be better if nash were there

[Caleb Cattivera]

rufio, honestly what do you have against kobe bryant? was that your sister who got raped in denver or something?

kobe is NOT a point guard, his job is NOT to pass the ball, that what a pg does is distrobute the ball. of all the true SG's in the leauge, kobe is fourth in assists. Wade, Joe Johnson and T Mac are all that's ahead of him.

[getupkid53]

besides marion the rest of that team isnt anything to brag about. The point is that nash has made guys like diaw, bell, jones thrive to become the best players they can be right now. That is why nash is surrounded by good players because he has made them good. Before this season everybody thought the suns wouldnt even be a playoff team without Amare. If nash was on the lakers they might not have as good as a record, but they still might. The one thing that would happen is the other players on the lakers would be better if nash were there

I love steve nash... I think you missed my post that I do believe he is the only reason his team is going to make the playoffs right now. I think Kobe (off court) is a moron. I think vince carter... who has a lower assist ratio than kobe, is even dumber. But on the court, he is the sole reason that team is going anywhere..

You could make the argument that they will go no further than the first round and just rebuild and have a couple of bad years, but Phil jackson is a winner, and the lakers want results. Phil knows he won't get them w/o kobe heaving up shots, so he lets him do it. Kobe mine as well be the coach.

[weezer182]

rufio, honestly what do you have against kobe bryant? was that your sister who got raped in denver or something?

kobe is NOT a point guard, his job is NOT to pass the ball, that what a pg does is distrobute the ball. of all the true SG's in the leauge, kobe is fourth in assists. Wade, Joe Johnson and T Mac are all that's ahead of him.yea but he has the ball a lot so its not surprising he gets 4 assist a game

[getupkid53]

Caleb - I never got to say congrats on the scout thing... that is really something. congratulations and best of luck with that.

[Caleb Cattivera]

id like to see what the other lakers besides Kobes overall team shot % is.

42% while with him they shoot 44%

[getupkid53]

yea but he has the ball a lot so its not surprising he gets 4 assist a game

When it comes down to it... Kobe does his job... SG...
Steve nash... does his job..... PG
Marcus Camby.... does his job.....C

Thats what its about...

[ActorInThisPlay]

rufio, honestly what do you have against kobe bryant? was that your sister who got raped in denver or something?

kobe is NOT a point guard, his job is NOT to pass the ball, that what a pg does is distrobute the ball. of all the true SG's in the leauge, kobe is fourth in assists. Wade, Joe Johnson and T Mac are all that's ahead of him.
I can't stand the guy. he is a selfish player who rapes women. apparently that isn't a good thing to me, don't know why though. he gets rid of Shaq because he has to inflate his ego more because he wants to be the only good player on the team, he wants to be the star, and look where they are at right now compared to when Shaq was on the team.

[weezer182]

When it comes down to it... Kobe does his job... SG...
Steve nash... does his job..... PG
Marcus Camby.... does his job.....C

Thats what its about...fair enough

[last light]

42% while with him they shoot 44%

interesting. bottom line is the guy can carry that team alone, they are in a playoff spot and should end up there, and he is having an out of body year...without Kobe Lakers are the Hawks/Bobcats.

[Brownpants06]

ballhog? or has shitty teammates with no one to pass to. id say the latter, yet he still can pull off four or five assists a game.

Odom is not shitty

[weezer182]

Odom is not shittyyea he can be a pretty good player if he is used correctly

[Caleb Cattivera]

I can't stand the guy. he is a selfish player who rapes women. apparently that isn't a good thing to me, don't know why though. he gets rid of Shaq because he has to inflate his ego more because he wants to be the only good player on the team, he wants to be the star, and look where they are at right now compared to when Shaq was on the team.

selfish? i dont think a guy who averages 5 apg for his career is seflish. a guy who has led his team in assists five of the last seven years.

was kobe convicted? i ask this often...no he wasnt. he's not a rapist.

he didnt get rid of shaq...shaq got rid of himself, it wasn't just kobe talking shit...it was shaq too. and had i had my pick, i would've picked a young kobe over an aging shaq.

they need to rid of lamar odom and get someone else in there to play along side him. odom is a waste.

[ActorInThisPlay]

selfish? i dont think a guy who averages 5 apg for his career is seflish. a guy who has led his team in assists five of the last seven years.

was kobe convicted? i ask this often...no he wasnt. he's not a rapist.

he didnt get rid of shaq...shaq got rid of himself, it wasn't just kobe talking shit...it was shaq too. and had i had my pick, i would've picked a young kobe over an aging shaq.

they need to rid of lamar odom and get someone else in there to play along side him. odom is a waste.

Odom has more assists then him this year first of all. Second of all, neither did OJ huh? Third of all, it was Kobe who wanted Shaq off of the team, sure Shaq is a little to fault but it was mainly Kobe. Fourth of all, look where the Heat are and then look where the Lakers are and then tell me you would rather have Kobe over Shaq. Wade suddenly looked more amazing when Shaq came into the picture, coincidence, I think not.

[FondestMemory]

people that call kobe a rapist piss me off. if he raped that bitch, why'd she back out of the criminal trial?

don't get me wrong, i can't stand the dude. but i hate him more for being and adulterer. he did cheat on his wife. i don't buy for a second that he raped that girl. backing out of the criminal trial but still wanting to go forth with the civil trial just proves she was all about the money.

the rest of the argument is ridiculous. he shoots because he has to. he scores a ton because the team needs him to. dude's having a ridiculous season.

i'm not a fan at all, but i'll give him that.

[weezer182]

selfish? i dont think a guy who averages 5 apg for his career is seflish. a guy who has led his team in assists five of the last seven years.
you can still be selfish though and average a decent amount of assist. look at vince carter and stephon marbury

[Caleb Cattivera]

Odom has more assists then him this year first of all. Second of all, neither did OJ huh? Third of all, it was Kobe who wanted Shaq off of the team, sure Shaq is a little to fault but it was mainly Kobe. Fourth of all, look where the Heat are and then look where the Lakers are and then tell me you would rather have Kobe over Shaq. Wade suddenly looked more amazing when Shaq came into the picture, coincidence, I think not.

i know odom does...and i said five of the last seven years. not the last seven years. even when derek fisher was the starting pg, kobe was nearly doubling his assists.

i'd still rather have kobe. kobe just needs pieces around him, look at who he has, lamar odom, chris mihm, smush parker, fucking kwame brown.

before shaq came in, the heat were one game away from the eastern conference finals...shaq comes and they lose the conference finals.

the heat are playing in a weak eastern conference(minus the pistons) and have only 5 more wins, and 2 less losses than the lakers. with wade, shaq, payton, j will, toine, among others.

it's kobe, and only kobe in lakers because mitch has surrounded him with pure shit for players. as of right now, if i was building a team, and i had to choose kobe or shaq with my first pick...kobe would be my pick hands down. shaq is the most dominant center ever...but he's not as great as he used to be.

[Caleb Cattivera]

people that call kobe a rapist piss me off. if he raped that bitch, why'd she back out of the criminal trial?

don't get me wrong, i can't stand the dude. but i hate him more for being and adulterer. he did cheat on his wife. i don't buy for a second that he raped that girl. backing out of the criminal trial but still wanting to go forth with the civil trial just proves she was all about the money.

the rest of the argument is ridiculous. he shoots because he has to. he scores a ton because the team needs him to. dude's having a ridiculous season.

i'm not a fan at all, but i'll give him that.

you cant rape the willing.

[wesgemm08]

Odom has more assists then him this year first of all. Second of all, neither did OJ huh? Third of all, it was Kobe who wanted Shaq off of the team, sure Shaq is a little to fault but it was mainly Kobe. Fourth of all, look where the Heat are and then look where the Lakers are and then tell me you would rather have Kobe over Shaq. Wade suddenly looked more amazing when Shaq came into the picture, coincidence, I think not.

your an idiot.. compare the other players on the teams and the conference that they are in...

eastern.. weak
western.. strong

heat- wade, payton, j williams, walker, mourning, haslem...

lakers- odom, smush parker, chris mihm, kwame brown... need i go on

heat- 28-18
lakers- 23-20


..if the lakers were in the eastern conference i'm sure a few of those loses would be wins... needless to say, kobe is the best player in the league this year.. closely followed by nash, billups and brand

[ActorInThisPlay]

your an idiot.. compare the other players on the teams and the conference that they are in...

eastern.. weak
western.. strong

heat- wade, payton, j williams, walker, mourning, haslem...

lakers- odom, smush parker, chris mihm, kwame brown... need i go on

heat- 28-18
lakers- 23-20


..if the lakers were in the eastern conference i'm sure a few of those loses would be wins... needless to say, kobe is the best player in the league this year.. closely followed by nash, billups and brand
really, I didn't know Detroit was a weak team...they did beat the Lakers with Shaq in the finals. Kobe is a good scorer, but if players like Iverson, Garnett, and James wanted to score 81 points, I'm sure they could.

[ActorInThisPlay]

i know odom does...and i said five of the last seven years. not the last seven years. even when derek fisher was the starting pg, kobe was nearly doubling his assists.

i'd still rather have kobe. kobe just needs pieces around him, look at who he has, lamar odom, chris mihm, smush parker, fucking kwame brown.

before shaq came in, the heat were one game away from the eastern conference finals...shaq comes and they lose the conference finals.

the heat are playing in a weak eastern conference(minus the pistons) and have only 5 more wins, and 2 less losses than the lakers. with wade, shaq, payton, j will, toine, among others.

it's kobe, and only kobe in lakers because mitch has surrounded him with pure shit for players. as of right now, if i was building a team, and i had to choose kobe or shaq with my first pick...kobe would be my pick hands down. shaq is the most dominant center ever...but he's not as great as he used to be.
and the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs after going to the finals after Shaq left, what does that say?

I would rather have Nash or Garnett hands down over Kobe or Shaq

[Caleb Cattivera]

and the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs after going to the finals after Shaq left, what does that say?

I would rather have Nash or Garnett hands down over Kobe or Shaq

sometimes the arguments that you pull out, if you want to call them that, make me wonder if you've ever even watched an nba game.

did i say nash or garnett...how the fuck do they come into play? i said if i was building a team and it was kobe or shaq...i'd pick kobe...

as for the lakers last year...rudy quit halfway through the season, and to that point, they were 24-19, 5 games over .500, then frank hamblen took over and they were 10-29...it's not just the players, it's also who coaches the players.

[brand new hater]

Speaking of rape... Caleb's having his way with rufio right about now.

[sweethypocrisy]

Speaking of rape... Caleb's having his way with rufio right about now.
no shit.

[wesgemm08]

really, I didn't know Detroit was a weak team...they did beat the Lakers with Shaq in the finals. Kobe is a good scorer, but if players like Iverson, Garnett, and James wanted to score 81 points, I'm sure they could.
I didnt know detriot was the only team in the eastern conference.. and if those players could score 81 points.. why have they gotten no where close this season.. i could be wrong, but the most points garnett scored all season is 30, the most iverson had is 53(in a losing performance), and the most lebron had is 52(in a losing performance).. none of them being anywhere close to 81 points, and kobe scored that and won, so back up off him, he's an outstanding player, and has no help from his team, so he has to carry the entire team on his back

[ActorInThisPlay]

sometimes the arguments that you pull out, if you want to call them that, make me wonder if you've ever even watched an nba game.

did i say nash or garnett...how the fuck do they come into play? i said if i was building a team and it was kobe or shaq...i'd pick kobe...

as for the lakers last year...rudy quit halfway through the season, and to that point, they were 24-19, 5 games over .500, then frank hamblen took over and they were 10-29...it's not just the players, it's also who coaches the players.

ok building a team...yes Kobe just because he is younger then Shaq, but the Lakers didn't need to build a team after 3 championships. it isn't like they are the Hawks and need to build a team up. They had a team which they lost after Shaq left. Sure their coach quitting might have something to do with it, but they still looked like shit. They have Phil Jackson this year, who is probably the best coach in the NBA, so what is your excuse there? They are barely in playoff contention.

My only point with the Garnett and Nash thing is that I would take them over Shaq or Kobe anyday...it was just a statement, don't get all pissed about it.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I didnt know detriot was the only team in the eastern conference.. and if those players could score 81 points.. why have they gotten no where close this season.. i could be wrong, but the most points garnett scored all season is 30, the most iverson had is 53(in a losing performance), and the most lebron had is 52(in a losing performance).. none of them being anywhere close to 81 points, and kobe scored that and won, so back up off him, he's an outstanding player, and has no help from his team, so he has to carry the entire team on his back
not anywhere did I say they did score 81 points, my point is that they could if they tried. please read before you comment on something you obviously know nothing about.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Speaking of rape... Caleb's having his way with rufio right about now.
yeah ok, sorry I'm not a Kobe fanboy like apparently everyone else on this board, but I honestly think he is a good player but isn't as good as everyone makes him out to be.

[FondestMemory]

yeah ok, sorry I'm not a Kobe fanboy like apparently everyone else on this board, but I honestly think he is a good player but isn't as good as everyone makes him out to be.

i don't think it's anybody making him out to be great. i think it's more him being great.

i'm not a fanboy either, i've never liked him. but what he's doing this season is unreal.

fan or not, if you can't sit back and realize how amazing he's been recently and find joy in being able to see somebody perform at this level, then i pity you.

[Caleb Cattivera]

ok building a team...yes Kobe just because he is younger then Shaq, but the Lakers didn't need to build a team after 3 championships. it isn't like they are the Hawks and need to build a team up. They had a team which they lost after Shaq left. Sure their coach quitting might have something to do with it, but they still looked like shit. They have Phil Jackson this year, who is probably the best coach in the NBA, so what is your excuse there? They are barely in playoff contention.

My only point with the Garnett and Nash thing is that I would take them over Shaq or Kobe anyday...it was just a statement, don't get all pissed about it.

barely or not, they're in playoff contention. and they will be in the playoffs. it's not a matter of barely it's a matter of if you're in or you're not...and they are. they fucking dominated the knicks tonight giving everyone a chance to produce, i know the knicks suck, but the lakers have beaten some impressive teams this season, including a 100 to 92 victory over shaq and the heat earlier this season.

the lakers hadn't won a championship in two years when shaq left. they lost in the semis to the spurs in 03 and in the finals to the pistons in 04. so they broke the team up after they hadn't won in a couple years, i woudl've dismantled that team too and began to rebuild. it's all a process...and kobe will win a couple of more championships in his career i think.

[Caleb Cattivera]

yeah ok, sorry I'm not a Kobe fanboy like apparently everyone else on this board, but I honestly think he is a good player but isn't as good as everyone makes him out to be.

im not a kobe fanboy. i wouldnt even consider myself a kobe fan. just your ignorance makes me want to be.

[marrost]

Congratulations Rufio, I've never seen someone argure so hard when knowing nothing at all. Caleb pretty much covered everything. The NBA is my least favorite sports league, and I can still see the things Kobe does for the Lakers. The bottom line is plain and simple. Put anyone else in Kobe's shoes and the Lakers would not be doing nearly as good.

Take your grudge somewhere else.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Congratulations Rufio, I've never seen someone argure so hard when knowing nothing at all. Caleb pretty much covered everything. The NBA is my least favorite sports league, and I can still see the things Kobe does for the Lakers. The bottom line is plain and simple. Put anyone else in Kobe's shoes and the Lakers would not be doing nearly as good.

Take your grudge somewhere else.
just because I don't agree with everyone doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about. I am pretty sure I got all of the numbers I posted from NBA.com, so for me to be wrong on that, the site would have to be wrong which I don't think is true. Look to a point, it is all a matter of opinion, obviously no one knows if the Lakers would be better without Kobe because we can't actually see it happening. My opinion is that Kobe is selfish and that if the Lakers had someone like Nash on their team instead, they would be doing better. Kobe is better with another good player by his side then nobody whereas Nash can make players better. Sheesh...you people get all mad at me because I didn't jump on the Kobe bandwagon.

[ActorInThisPlay]

im not a kobe fanboy. i wouldnt even consider myself a kobe fan. just your ignorance makes me want to be.
my ignorance...come on, I have been using proven stats to back up almost everything I said. please don't resort to name calling...that is hopefully not what this forum is about.

[Caleb Cattivera]

my ignorance...come on, I have been using proven stats to back up almost everything I said. please don't resort to name calling...that is hopefully not what this forum is about.

haha this forum is always full of name calling. what are your 'proven' stats.

at least i was nice and proper and didnt call you a fucking dumb ass.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Player G GS MPG FG%
Kobe Bryant 41 41 40.8 .449
Lamar Odom 43 43 39.5 .456
Smush Parker 43 43 33.7 .455
Chris Mihm 43 42 27.1 .513
Brian Cook 42 17 17.2 .511
Devean George 38 4 22.1 .408
Kwame Brown 33 20 25.8 .467
Luke Walton 31 1 18.8 .361
Laron Profit 25 1 11.2 .476
Sasha Vujacic 43 3 18.8 .349
Von Wafer 12 0 4.9 .167
Andrew Bynum 23 0 6.8 .351
Devin Green 17 0 5.4 .250
Slava Medvedenko 2 0 3.0 .500
Aaron McKie 10 0 8.1 .111
Team Averages 43 0 243.5 .4

Kobe has like the worst FG% out of anyone starting on the team...Odom is beating Kobe in the assists category along with 32 other individuals.

1 Steve Nash , PHX 11.3
2 Baron Davis , GSW 9.4
3 Chauncey Billups , DET 8.6
4 Andre Miller , DEN 8.3
5 Brevin Knight , CHA 8.2
6 Jason Kidd , NJN 7.9
7 Allen Iverson , PHI 7.5
8 Chris Paul , NOK 7.4
9 Stephon Marbury , NYK 6.9
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 6.9
11 Luke Ridnour , SEA 6.8
12 Kirk Hinrich , CHI 6.5
13 Sam Cassell , LAC 6.4
14 T.J. Ford , MIL 6.3
15 LeBron James , CLE 6.3
16 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 6.0
17 Steve Francis , ORL 5.9
18 Boris Diaw , PHX 5.8
19 Tony Parker , SAS 5.8
20 Joe Johnson , ATL 5.7
21 Chris Duhon , CHI 5.6
22 Mike Bibby , SAC 5.5
23 Lamar Odom , LAL 5.4
24 Brad Miller , SAC 5.2
25 Jose Calderon , TOR 5.2
26 Ricky Davis , MIN-BOS 5.1
27 Mike James , TOR 5.1
28 Marko Jaric , MIN 5.1
29 Paul Pierce , BOS 4.6
30 Kevin Garnett , MIN 4.5
31 Jameer Nelson , ORL 4.4
32 Speedy Claxton , NOK 4.4
33 Eric Snow , CLE 4.4
34 Kobe Bryant , LAL 4.3

[Caleb Cattivera]

Player G GS MPG FG%
Kobe Bryant 41 41 40.8 .449
Lamar Odom 43 43 39.5 .456
Smush Parker 43 43 33.7 .455
Chris Mihm 43 42 27.1 .513
Brian Cook 42 17 17.2 .511
Devean George 38 4 22.1 .408
Kwame Brown 33 20 25.8 .467
Luke Walton 31 1 18.8 .361
Laron Profit 25 1 11.2 .476
Sasha Vujacic 43 3 18.8 .349
Von Wafer 12 0 4.9 .167
Andrew Bynum 23 0 6.8 .351
Devin Green 17 0 5.4 .250
Slava Medvedenko 2 0 3.0 .500
Aaron McKie 10 0 8.1 .111
Team Averages 43 0 243.5 .4

Kobe has like the worst FG% out of anyone starting on the team...Odom is beating Kobe in the assists category along with 32 other individuals.

1 Steve Nash , PHX 11.3
2 Baron Davis , GSW 9.4
3 Chauncey Billups , DET 8.6
4 Andre Miller , DEN 8.3
5 Brevin Knight , CHA 8.2
6 Jason Kidd , NJN 7.9
7 Allen Iverson , PHI 7.5
8 Chris Paul , NOK 7.4
9 Stephon Marbury , NYK 6.9
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 6.9
11 Luke Ridnour , SEA 6.8
12 Kirk Hinrich , CHI 6.5
13 Sam Cassell , LAC 6.4
14 T.J. Ford , MIL 6.3
15 LeBron James , CLE 6.3
16 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 6.0
17 Steve Francis , ORL 5.9
18 Boris Diaw , PHX 5.8
19 Tony Parker , SAS 5.8
20 Joe Johnson , ATL 5.7
21 Chris Duhon , CHI 5.6
22 Mike Bibby , SAC 5.5
23 Lamar Odom , LAL 5.4
24 Brad Miller , SAC 5.2
25 Jose Calderon , TOR 5.2
26 Ricky Davis , MIN-BOS 5.1
27 Mike James , TOR 5.1
28 Marko Jaric , MIN 5.1
29 Paul Pierce , BOS 4.6
30 Kevin Garnett , MIN 4.5
31 Jameer Nelson , ORL 4.4
32 Speedy Claxton , NOK 4.4
33 Eric Snow , CLE 4.4
34 Kobe Bryant , LAL 4.3

and these are all stupid and pointless stats, and they mean nothing. kobe's not a point guard, he shouldnt have to pass. once again ill say he lead his team in assists five of the last seven years...im not just going off of this year.

and if you wanna play the fg% game we can do that too. kobe has a better shooting percentage than alot of stars in the leauge, to name a few, kidd, tmac, ak47, arenas, baron, peja, bibby, ray allen, carter, francis, billups, etc.

the stats you are giving are pointless dude. and im still confused as to what the point of them are.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i'm off to bed, but ill leave you with this.

kobe can write his name in the nba record books again.

he's became only the second player in history to average more than 40 ppg in a month, twice.

who was the other? wilt.

[itsjdiggity]

i hate kobe

[bigmike]

i hate kobe

i bet you're a ray allen fan.

[itsjdiggity]

i bet you're a ray allen fan.

haha...i love chauncey too...i rock that blue swingman jersey

[getupkid53]

There is actually 39 people ahead of kobe in assists. Kobe is just in 34th place. Now not only are your stats useless, they are incorrect.

[radiofriendly]

i might be misinformed, but i thought shaq left after the front office gave him "no reason to stay"

it's a shooting guards job to shoot; to be distributed to. it's Kobe's job to produce. throw away those percentages, there are few to no players who produce the way Kobe does. he quadruples his team's chances of winning by simply showing up. your problem is in your stats. they serve no purpse. Kobe pawns. it's frustrating for me, but the man owns the basketball court. he's .02 career assists behind Michael Jordan, and nobody complained when he kept the ball to himself, or how often he passed the ball. 4+ assists is fanstastic for a SG. He's six in the league among starting guards and there is nobody who is stupid enough to question his ability to perform when he keeps it.

and then there's the simple fact of the matter, that given the roster and talent right now, there is no better strategy at this point for the lakers. am i wrong?

[Caleb Cattivera]

i might be misinformed, but i thought shaq left after the front office gave him "no reason to stay"

it's a shooting guards job to shoot; to be distributed to. it's Kobe's job to produce. throw away those percentages, there are few to no players who produce the way Kobe does. he quadruples his team's chances of winning by simply showing up. your problem is in your stats. they serve no purpse. Kobe pawns. it's frustrating for me, but the man owns the basketball court. he's .02 career assists behind Michael Jordan, and nobody complained when he kept the ball to himself, or how often he passed the ball. 4+ assists is fanstastic for a SG. He's six in the league among starting guards and there is nobody who is stupid enough to question his ability to perform when he keeps it.

and then there's the simple fact of the matter, that given the roster and talent right now, there is no better strategy at this point for the lakers. am i wrong?

you are absolutely right. you summed up my 30 posts into one.

[radiofriendly]

you are absolutely right. you summed up my 30 posts into one.

woot!

go mavs
*runs away

[wesgemm08]

not anywhere did I say they did score 81 points, my point is that they could if they tried. please read before you comment on something you obviously know nothing about.
I knew exactly what you were saying, and I was just pointing out that the players highest scoring games were in a LOSING EFFORT.. and kobe's team was down 18 at half and he scored more points in a half then either of the other players in an entire game this season to help his team win.. and bullshit garnett could score 81 "if he tried".. he's just gonna go out on a random night and score 51 more points than any other night this season because he was trying to score, you're an idiot.. so maybe you should stop just listening to yourself and hear what other people are saying and you'd stop making yourself look retarded

[Caleb Cattivera]

woot!

go mavs
*runs away

hahahahaha :)

[marrost]

Sheesh...you people get all mad at me because I didn't jump on the Kobe bandwagon.It's not a bandwagon. It's every single person on the board calling you an idiot for coming up with bullshit stats trying to disprove that Kobe is right now the best player in the league.

[ActorInThisPlay]

whatever people, this is obviously a lost cause. it is a matter of opinion once again who is the best player in the league and in mine it is not Kobe plain and simple, if he is the best player in the league, it's funny how their record doesn't show it and don't say it is because they have no one because Iverson took the 76ers to the Finals with no one on his team either so that is a bull shit argument. I am done with this because apparently all of you aren't open to other opinions so you guys can go back to sucking Kobe's cock.

[bigmike]

whatever people, this is obviously a lost cause. it is a matter of opinion once again who is the best player in the league and in mine it is not Kobe plain and simple, if he is the best player in the league, it's funny how their record doesn't show it and don't say it is because they have no one because Iverson took the 76ers to the Finals with no one on his team either so that is a bull shit argument. I am done with this because apparently all of you aren't open to other opinions so you guys can go back to sucking Kobe's cock.

what you missed the memo? you're not allowed opinions.

[ActorInThisPlay]

what you missed the memo? you're not allowed opinions.
apparently not...

[marrost]

whatever people, this is obviously a lost cause. it is a matter of opinion once again who is the best player in the league and in mine it is not Kobe plain and simple, if he is the best player in the league, it's funny how their record doesn't show it and don't say it is because they have no one because Iverson took the 76ers to the Finals with no one on his team either so that is a bull shit argument. I am done with this because apparently all of you aren't open to other opinions so you guys can go back to sucking Kobe's cock.I wouldn't call Chris Webber a nobody, darling.

[weezer182]

I wouldn't call Chris Webber a nobody, darling.dude chris weber wasnt on the team when iverson took the 76ers to the finals.

[marrost]

dude chris weber wasnt on the team when iverson took the 76ers to the finals.I misread it for playoffs, as in last seasons. My bad.

[Drew Beringer]

Pacers shut down Kobe tonight. 8 for 24 shooting, still had 26 points, but was, in reality, a non-factor tonight.

[Ravenna]

Pacers shut down Kobe tonight. 8 for 24 shooting, still had 26 points, but was, in reality, a non-factor tonight.
its funny how kobe can drop 26 points, and we consider it a bad night for him. thats a good night for pretty much any other player.

[Drew Beringer]

its funny how kobe can drop 26 points, and we consider it a bad night for him. thats a good night for pretty much any other player.

Eh, 8-24 shooting is horrible, really hurt the Lakers tonight.

[somethingyellow]

its funny how kobe can drop 26 points, and we consider it a bad night for him. thats a good night for pretty much any other player.not when your shooting 33%

[Drew Beringer]

not when your shooting 33%

Exactly.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Eh, 8-24 shooting is horrible, really hurt the Lakers tonight.
yeah that is quite terrible. 24 shots for 26 points, not a very good ratio there.

[Caleb Cattivera]

haha wow the pacers won, impressive.

odom was just as bad tonight, same percentage.