Black History Month

[b e L I E v e]

February is coming up, I have a paper and presentation project to complete by midmonth, and I can any influential african american from before the 80's...

I need suggestions..either music or sports (more sports, though) to do my project

I was thinking Pele..

[somethingyellow]

jackie robinson

[IAPAI]

I was thinking the song by DFA1979

[FondestMemory]

satchel paige. dude was fucking awesome.

[FOBPrettyNPunk]

Hank Aaron

[BlackSheepWall]

satchel paige. dude was fucking awesome.

Fredrick Douglas, or Pele is good.

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[dai the flu]

wilt chamberlain and his 10,000 conquered women

[ActorInThisPlay]

jackie robinson
exactly...

[rcrook]

black history month i think is more about african americans so pele wouldn't do.

[b e L I E v e]

black history month i think is more about african americans so pele wouldn't do.

hah, i thought about that

Half of our class is going to be doing baseball..so I think Wilt The Stilt is going to be my second runner up..but thanks for the suggestions so far

If it helps..I need people who ''broke the color boundaries''...again, appreciated if it had nothing to do with baseball

[nfggc10]

How about you write a paper about how white people deserve their own "history month" and how racism can actually work both ways...

[Caleb Cattivera]

i did one on josh gibson way back when, played in the negro leauges, and was probably the most powerful hitter(i'd say more so than the babe)in baseball at the time, over 800 career home runs. and actually got his start when he came out of the stands during a game to replace a catcher at the time.

[Caleb Cattivera]

How about you write a paper about how white people deserve their own "history month" and how racism can actually work both ways...

that was a stupid comment.

[nfggc10]

that was a stupid comment.
hmm, it's the truth...black history month is a fucking joke.

[Caleb Cattivera]

hmm, it's the truth...black history month is a fucking joke.

it's really not. it's about them celebrating being as equal as white people...which they should've been all along.

you're a fucking joke dude. are you racist?

[boekebong]

hmm, it's the truth...I'm a fucking tool.

Fixed.

[chroma23]

hmm, it's the truth...black history month is a fucking joke.


I dislike most of the politically correct things with jobs, and colleges, but I think they deserve this. I mean they were our slaves.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Fixed.

exactly.

[nfggc10]

it's really not. it's about them celebrating being as equal as white people...which they should've been all along.

you're a fucking joke dude. are you racist?
equal as white people???? why do they need a month to celebrate their own history when white people don't have one????

No, I'm not an absolute racist but I do find it offensive that they have their own channels, award shows, minority hiring rules inside and outside of sports. Don't even get me started on the NAACP...

[Caleb Cattivera]

equal as white people???? why do they need a month to celebrate their own history when white people don't have one????

haha you're a fucking tool dude. grow up and act your age.

[IAPAI]

it's really not. it's about them celebrating being as equal as white people...which they should've been all along.

you're a fucking joke dude. are you racist?

If they're equal, why isn't every month black history month?

[Caleb Cattivera]

If they're equal, why isn't every month black history month?

it's a celebration man.

why are you kids so close minded?

[nfggc10]

haha you're a fucking tool dude. grow up and act your age.
you're the fucking tool. Do you not see how racist it is to have their own history month and yet they find it wrong when an nfl coaching position is filled without even interviewing an african american? I love the double standard....

[nfggc10]

it's a celebration man.

why are you kids so close minded?
Because if white people adopted a month as our own to celebrate our history, a majority of black people would be up in arms about it and claiming it as racism. Wouldn't you agree?

[Caleb Cattivera]

you're the fucking tool. Do you not see how racist it is to have their own history month and yet they find it wrong when an nfl coaching position is filled without even interviewing an african american? I love the double standard....

great comeback.

we're not talking about the nfl...we're talking about african americans as a awhole. do you really have THAT big of a problem with it? what's up with woodstock? every person i've met from that town is close minded as shit.

[nfggc10]

great comeback.

we're not talking about the nfl...we're talking about african americans as a awhole. do you really have THAT big of a problem with it? what's up with woodstock? every person i've met from that town is close minded as shit.
It has nothing to do with being close minded. It's called recognizing hypocrisy when I see it. And you haven't answered my question.

[somethingyellow]

it's really not. it's about them celebrating being as equal as white people...which they should've been all along.

you're a fucking joke dude. are you racist?seriously, there is nothing wrong with black history month at all

[IAPAI]

I'm not close-minded. I just like playing Devil's advocate.

[Caleb Cattivera]

It has nothing to do with being close minded. It's called recognizing hypocrisy when I see it. And you haven't answered my question.

what question...are we discussing the nfl in this thread...no...we're talking about black history month...and what it means to african americans.

[Scott Weber]

I don't really care about Black History Month. It was established in a time when it was to honor their plights as a people and to honor them as an equal race of the United States. It's not like it was made up yesterday.

As for media, you complain about stuff like BET and UPN...there are white people channels. They're called PAX, the WB, Lifetime...they may not be explicity white, but that's the demographic their shows are programmed to. I actually watch BET all the time now because In Living Color reruns are on it.

On the other hand, there are some extremely racist shows on TV, the most obvious of these being Chappelle's Show. That's "reverse" racism at it's finest right there, with Chappelle mocking caucasians and portraying them as pathetic and weak goobers. Do I care? Nah. I think it's funny as hell. But there is a double standard. That's another issue though - it shouldn't be affiliated with Black History Month.

[IAPAI]

what question...are we discussing the nfl in this thread...no...we're talking about black history month...and what it means to african americans.

the nfl thing was an analogy, not a question. read closer, he did ask a question after that.

[nfggc10]

what question...are we discussing the nfl in this thread...no...we're talking about black history month...and what it means to african americans.
My post that you seem to be avoiding:

"Because if white people adopted a month as our own to celebrate our history, a majority of black people would be up in arms about it and claiming it as racism. Wouldn't you agree?"

[sweethypocrisy]

hmm, it's the truth...black history month is a fucking joke.
i agreed with your first comment but not that one. come on man.

if there was a white entertainment television, there would be riots in the streets, al sharpton would have a stroke.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I don't really care about Black History Month. It was established in a time when it was to honor their plights as a people and to honor them as an equal race of the United States. It's not like it was made up yesterday.

As for media, you complain about stuff like BET and UPN...there are white people channels. They're called PAX, the WB, Lifetime...they may not be explicity white, but that's the demographic their shows are programmed to. I actually watch BET all the time now because In Living Color reruns are on it.

On the other hand, there are some extremely racist shows on TV, the most obvious of these being Chappelle's Show. That's "reverse" racism at it's finest right there, with Chappelle mocking caucasians and portraying them as pathetic and weak goobers. Do I care? Nah. I think it's funny as hell. But there is a double standard. That's another issue though - it shouldn't be affiliated with Black History Month.

sure there are double standards...but scotts right...it shouldnt be affiliated with black history month.

as for in living color...i bought the first two seasons on dvd.

[nfggc10]

i agreed with your first comment but not that one. come on man.

if there was a white entertainment television, there would be riots in the streets, al sharpton would have a stroke.
that's exactly my point though......black people as a majority see racism as a one way street and that's why have a problem with things like black history month.

[Caleb Cattivera]

My post that you seem to be avoiding:

"Because if white people adopted a month as our own to celebrate our history, a majority of black people would be up in arms about it and claiming it as racism. Wouldn't you agree?"

some would, some wouldn't...i'm saying it wouldnt be a big deal...plus, you're using the word IF...im going to discredit any post with the word IF in it...because IF means it hasnt happened yet...so why are you so concerned about it?

[BrandNewBen]

I was thinking the song by DFA1979

That would make a much more interesting presentation than another trite Jackie Robinson life history.
(no offence to Robinson, you just know that there are tons of people that do projects on him already)

[nfggc10]

some would, some wouldn't...i'm saying it wouldnt be a big deal...plus, you're using the word IF...im going to discredit any post with the word IF in it...because IF means it hasnt happened yet...so why are you so concerned about it?
anyone who believes that is naive

[sweethypocrisy]

anyone who believes that is naive
cosigned. i drove past a library that said "black community library" on the front. and i said to my mom 'now, if i were to go and erect a library and write "white community library" on the front, id get lynched. '

[IAPAI]

some would, some wouldn't...i'm saying it wouldnt be a big deal...plus, you're using the word IF...im going to discredit any post with the word IF in it...because IF means it hasnt happened yet...so why are you so concerned about it?

that's a cop-out. the word 'if' is integral in arguments and reasoning.

[nfggc10]

cosigned. i drove past a library that said "black community library" on the front. and i said to my mom 'now, if i were to go and erect a library and write "white community library" on the front, id get lynched. '
thank you.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i'm not saying that blacks aren't racist...because some of them are...im simply confused as to why black history month is such a big deal to you.

the naacp is considered by some to be a racist group...i'd probably agree...but what's the big deal with letting them celebrate for one month? it's the shortest month of the year, let them have it.

[Scott Weber]

Anyone remember that part in 25th Hour where Ed Norton goes "Slavery ended 137 years ago...get the fuck over it"

[nfggc10]

i'm not saying that blacks aren't racist...because some of them are...im simply confused as to why black history month is such a big deal to you.

the naacp is considered by some to be a racist group...i'd probably agree...but what's the big deal with letting them celebrate for one month? it's the shortest month of the year, let them have it.
My point is strictly that they're further isolating themselves with things like this from creating a society where they hope to be treated as equals.

[sweethypocrisy]

My point is strictly that they're further isolating themselves with things like this from creating a society where they hope to be treated as equals.
exactly.

[Emopunkthrice]

Anyone remember that part in 25th Hour where Ed Norton goes "Slavery ended 137 years ago...get the fuck over it"
haha thats a good quote.

[nfggc10]

exactly.
I don't know why more people don't understand that.

[IAPAI]

Anyone remember that part in 25th Hour where Ed Norton goes "Slavery ended 137 years ago...get the fuck over it"

How about Zach Galifianakis on Conan asking "that show the Amazing Race, is that about white people?"

[boekebong]

My point is strictly that they're further isolating themselves with things like this from creating a society where they hope to be treated as equals.

Did it ever occur to you that WE isolated them from society and thererfore forced them to create a unique culture with a unique history to it? Don't pretend like U.S. History and black history are the same thing, because they are not. U.S. History is white history, so every month is white history month. For the love.

[dai the flu]

i have to agree with nfggc10 on this one. if you want to be treated as equals and not be seperated from the rest of the world based on your skin color, then dont seperate yourselves at the same time. sure, lets honor those african-americans heros and give them the credit they deserve. but honor them as human beings, not as blacks. dont put that dinstinction there if you dont want that distinction there at other times.

[sweethypocrisy]

Did it ever occur to you that WE isolated them from society and thererfore forced them to create a unique culture with a unique history to it? Don't pretend like U.S. History and black history are the same thing, because they are not. U.S. History is white history, so every month is white history month. For the love.
once again, for the record: i have no problem with black history month.

[nfggc10]

Did it ever occur to you that WE isolated them from society and thererfore forced them to create a unique culture with a unique history to it? Don't pretend like U.S. History and black history are the same thing, because they are not. U.S. History is white history, so every month is white history month. For the love.
that would true except their goal is to be treated as equals...

[nfggc10]

i have to agree with nfggc10 on this one. if you want to be treated as equals and not be seperated from the rest of the world based on your skin color, then dont seperate yourselves at the same time. sure, lets honor those african-americans heros and give them the credit they deserve. but honor them as human beings, not as blacks. dont put that dinstinction there if you dont want that distinction there at other times.
that sums up my whole point

[boekebong]

that would true except their goal is to be treated as equals...

Yes, to have their history validated as equally important. In an ideal world it would happen all the time, but in this world we mostly focus on white history and ignore the rest.

I love white kids bitching about racism.

[dai the flu]

Yes, to have their history validated as equally important. In an ideal world it would happen all the time, but in this world we mostly focus on white history and ignore the rest.

I love white kids bitching about racism.
you know, your absolutely right, because when i think about a historical event or study a notable person in the past and their accomplishments, i really only focus on what color skin they had, not what they actually did.
get a life.

[boekebong]

you know, your absolutely right, because when i think about a historical event or study a notable person in the past and their accomplishments, i really only focus on what color skin they had, not what they actually did.
get a life.

You have to be kidding me. If you don't think race matters, ESPECIALLY when it comes to history, there's no point in me trying to convince you that Black History Month is important.

[dai the flu]

You have to be kidding me. If you don't think race matters, ESPECIALLY when it comes to history, there's no point in me trying to convince you that Black History Month is important.

well ok, i dont think race matters when it comes to history.
so drop out of this discussion.

[boekebong]

You don't think race mattered when they decided to count slaves as 3/5 of a vote, in essence declaring them legally less than human? You don't think that changed African American history more than that of my German American ancestors?

[boekebong]

well ok, i dont think race matters when it comes to history.
so drop out of this discussion.

What's the matter? Too lazy to prove my points wrong? Would it be easier if I just left?

[boekebong]

Here's a good one. You don't think race mattered when they decided to outlaw immigration from China for the better part of a century?

[boekebong]

Race probably didn't matter when the state of Georgia closed all their public schools after Brown V. Board so that they wouldn't have to integrate and conveniently only forgot to give any money to the black students so that they could go to private schools.

[boekebong]

Did you know that after WWII the government intentionally blocked African American vets from receiving benefits under the GI Bill? I could go on all night, but I have to go to church. You bet your ass race matters.

[dai the flu]

ok, i think your getting off track here. we're not denying that black history happened. just the same, you wouldnt deny that asian-american history happened, or american-indian. the issue here is why exactly does the distinction need to be made. its not just called american history. its black american history.

[dai the flu]

the issue is how the black community feels it necessary to seperate themselves, after trying so hard to stop that seperation in the first place.

[Scott Weber]

oh man dai the flu is in for a world of pain.

[nfggc10]

the issue is how the black community feels it necessary to seperate themselves, after trying so hard to stop that seperation in the first place.
exactly, they're bringing more attention to the fact that they feel there is an inequality. they are basically contributing to the very problem they're trying to end.

[dai the flu]

you know what? i DID know all of that, because i was taught that in my history courses. thats right. history. good old plain history. not white history. not the history of black oppression. not the history of the white racist pigs holding the black man down. just plain history. we dont forget the struggles that blacks went through, we dont forget how they were treated. we dont ignore black history. but we embrace it as PAST HISTORY. that means its over. that means its time to move on as equals, NOT seperating yourselves like we're discussing.

[dai the flu]

oh man dai the flu is in for a world of pain.

im on a roll tonight, ill be banned by morning im sure. between this, abortion, and hating your seahawks, im the most hated guy on here tonight.

[nfggc10]

you know what? i DID know all of that, because i was taught that in my history courses. thats right. history. good old plain history. not white history. not the history of black oppression. not the history of the white racist pigs holding the black man down. just plain history. we dont forget the struggles that blacks went through, we dont forget how they were treated. we dont ignore black history. but we embrace it as PAST HISTORY. that means its over. that means its time to move on as equals, NOT seperating yourselves like we're discussing.
what a coincidence, that's where I learned all of those things as well.....

[FondestMemory]

this is sad.

how can anybody be against black history month and claim not to be racist? i agree, all twelve months should be used to celebrate history, it shouldn't need to be seperated. but that's the problem. there's heroes and important events that are brought up during black history month that probably wouldn't come up in a regular history lesson. and the argument that we don't have a white history month is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. that history is taught year round.

i just don't see what it matters. if you have a problem with it, what's the point of arguing it? ignore it the best you can. it's not going anywhere.

[LeftWideOpen]

this is sad.

how can anybody be against black history month and claim not to be racist? i agree, all twelve months should be used to celebrate history, it shouldn't need to be seperated. but that's the problem. there's heroes and important events that are brought up during black history month that probably wouldn't come up in a regular history lesson. and the argument that we don't have a white history month is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. that history is taught year round.

i just don't see what it matters. if you have a problem with it, what's the point of arguing it? ignore it the best you can. it's not going anywhere.

took the words right out of my mouth. anyone who thinks they are getting a complete and legitimate account of history through their school systems are kidding themselves.

[boekebong]

took the words right out of my mouth. anyone who thinks they are getting a complete and legitimate account of history through their school systems are kidding themselves.

Yep.

[boekebong]

what a coincidence, that's where I learned all of those things as well.....

you know what? i DID know all of that, because i was taught that in my history courses. thats right. history. good old plain history. not white history. not the history of black oppression. not the history of the white racist pigs holding the black man down. just plain history. we dont forget the struggles that blacks went through, we dont forget how they were treated. we dont ignore black history. but we embrace it as PAST HISTORY. that means its over. that means its time to move on as equals, NOT seperating yourselves like we're discussing.

If you two learned all of those things then you are the exception rather than the rule.

[mikeford]

i dont plan on reading the whole thread but i will say i am rocking my diplomats shirt tomorrow.

[b e L I E v e]

Okay, I can see this strayed far away from my original idea of just a history project..but I feel I need to include my own opinion.

Black History Month...BET...NAACP...Black Soul Awards, whatever their called..and everything else that has black in it....they all have something in common...white people might as well put on a robe and burn a cross if they even think of having their own version of all those listed.

What Im saying is this..I have no problem whatsoever with the general idea of black heritage...I have pleanty of black friends, my best friend infact happens to be african america, so I can honestly say I am not being racist in any way at all...Yet, I feel they are exaggerating it to the point where its like...stop it, your black, we get it.

I mean look at the world as it is today...You dont see a single "white..." but you cant turn a head without seeing "black..."...that right there is my problem...we understand you are a minority, we understand that you had your struggles...but guess what, that doesnt make you so special that you can sue us for having the word "white" in a title, or so forth.

Arguements are welcome, just know you are not going to change my opinion on this until we get a white version of BET.........oh no, then we would be WET

[FondestMemory]

Okay, I can see this strayed far away from my original idea of just a history project..but I feel I need to include my own opinion.

Black History Month...BET...NAACP...Black Soul Awards, whatever their called..and everything else that has black in it....they all have something in common...white people might as well put on a robe and burn a cross if they even think of having their own version of all those listed.

What Im saying is this..I have no problem whatsoever with the general idea of black heritage...I have pleanty of black friends, my best friend infact happens to be african america, so I can honestly say I am not being racist in any way at all...Yet, I feel they are exaggerating it to the point where its like...stop it, your black, we get it.

I mean look at the world as it is today...You dont see a single "white..." but you cant turn a head without seeing "black..."...that right there is my problem...we understand you are a minority, we understand that you had your struggles...but guess what, that doesnt make you so special that you can sue us for having the word "white" in a title, or so forth.

Arguements are welcome, just know you are not going to change my opinion on this until we get a white version of BET.........oh no, then we would be WET

the whole BET argument is lame. how much programming on the major networks is geared toward the african american demographic? so basically, abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, fox, comedy central, e!, vh1, tlc and pretty much any other channel you can think of WET.

to the ones arguing about BET, how many times have you had the same argument about WE (women's entertainment), oxygen (another women's geared network) or telemundo. those are the same thing as BET in your sense of the argument.

[The PF rules]

well to go back to the first post, it wouldn't make much sense to do a Black History month report on Pele since he is Brazilian and not an African American

[b e L I E v e]

well to go back to the first post, it wouldn't make much sense to do a Black History month report on Pele since he is Brazilian and not an African American

I guess I have not cleared this up yet, you are right

The project has to do with athletes or people who either A) Broke the color barrier or B) Did something amazing for their country that was unheard of at their time

It is highly geared toward the whole Black History Month deal, yet, after asking about Pele, my history teacher agreed that Pele did do something quite amazing, and he would let me go forward in researching him


As for the arguement previously stated in the first post in this page...WE is not even in this conversation...in the world there are two genders, male and female...not counting anything else you may want to add in, no explanation needed....however, there are about 50 gazillion nationalities or races, or whatever.

And you also stated some news broadcasters, even MTV, which by the way, was quite ignorant of you considering none of them have the word WHITE in their title as BET does.

All that said...I cannot make any arguement in any court whatsoever that BET offends me...they would laugh me out of the given state...However, any black person can walk up to a judge and say that the TV show they watched last night, the song they heard, the movie they watched...that one of these things was considered racial..and boom, instant case