Pistons starting line up in the HOF?

[Caleb Cattivera]

I stole this from another message board. Will the Pistons starting lineup all be in the HOF?

I say no.

[LPMagic]

No.

[getupkid53]

not a chance...

[itsjdiggity]

probably not

[still_life]

None of them should be

...or maybe one at most. Can't say I know enough about the NBA to really comment on this.

[justinevans]

no. the only one with a possibility is ben wallace because of all his defensive awards. Other than that they are just a good team.

[Caleb Cattivera]

no. the only one with a possibility is ben wallace because of all his defensive awards. Other than that they are just a good team.

i dont even think big ben gets in.

[somethingyellow]

not a chance...agreed

[mikeford]

yeah right. the whole thing? not a fucking chance. fuckin celtics 80s lineup aint in the HOF... neither is magics lakers.... neither is michaels bulls... etc etc.

maybe ben wallace makes it... maybe rip hamilton makes it (i doubt it)... maybe billups but thats it. no fuckin way does tayshaun prince make the fuckin HOF.

[FondestMemory]

sadly, i don't think so.

i think ben wallace, chauncey and rip should at least be considered if they continue to play at this level for four or five more seasons.

[still_life]

Rip Hamilton pisses me off. Take off that fucking mask

[justinevans]

sadly, i don't think so.

i think ben wallace, chauncey and rip should at least be considered if they continue to play at this level for four or five more seasons.

definitely not chauncey...he was the biggest bust for 6-7 other teams.

[FondestMemory]

definitely not chauncey...he was the biggest bust for 6-7 other teams.

but if over the next four or five years they continue to make the finals and win a couple more championships he'd have to be considered.

[LeftWideOpen]

billups would have to put up insane numbers for the duration of his career to be considered. Ben Wallace makes it if he continues to be the best defender for years to come, but thats about it. Nobody else has much of a prayer.

Miami isnt nearly the team Detroit is, and they have more future HOFers on that squad. Detroit just has a chemistry that nobody else can match, and everyone knows there role.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

not a chance.

[justinevans]

but if over the next four or five years they continue to make the finals and win a couple more championships he'd have to be considered.

but they won't. nba has a salary cap.

[Caleb Cattivera]

ben wallace wont make it, here's why.

you've got guys like mel daniels, who in the 60's and 70's averaged 18 ppg and 14 rpg, along with 2 bpg. two time aba mvp, aba roy, and two time aba playoffs mvp. also on five all aba teams. four first. won three championships with the pacers.

artis gilmore. career 19 ppg, 12 rpg, and 2.4 bpg. 12 time all star and five time all defensive team.

gus johnson. career 16, and 12. five time all star, four time all nba, two time all defensive.

if these guys arent in yet, big ben wont get in.

billups wont either. he's only been playing really well for about two years now.

and richard hamilton haha. if he gets in so should every other medicore offensive player.

the pistons as a whole are what makes them great.

if the celtics and lakers from the 70s and 80s arent in...the pistons sure as hell wont be.

[dai the flu]

sadly no, and i think having such a good team might hurt them in that department. their individual numbers will suffer IMO. deserving? yes, with maybe prince the exception. will they make it? no.

[justinevans]

what happens when this "amazing" team doesn't win in the finals.

[still_life]

Anyone else rooting for a 5 game losing streak by the Pistons? I'm sick of ESPN comparing them to that 72-10 Bulls team every day. They will never get to that mark.

[somethingyellow]

Anyone else rooting for a 5 game losing streak by the Pistons? I'm sick of ESPN comparing them to that 72-10 Bulls team every day. They will never get to that mark.pistons wont come close to that record

[Ralph Wiggum]

No one in their lineup will get in. They are a great team because they have 5 good players, not 1 great player,and 4 other guys that think they are great players.

[ThriftWhore]

if they win the next three nba championships with this starting line up, then yes.

but otherwise, no.

[mikeford]

this team still wont be able to beat the spurs.

[somethingyellow]

this team still wont be able to beat the spurs.i dont think they will either

[still_life]

They're going to lose to the Pacers tonight

[still_life]

Ben Wallace: 0 pts, 12 rebounds

wtf kind of stat line is that? I think I saw on ESPN the other day another game where he had 0 points. I wonder how many HOF players had two games in a week without any points scored.

[getupkid53]

Better question.. how many players from the spurs will get in?
Parker
Duncan
Ginobli
horry.. I'm not saying all those guys will... what do you think?

[somethingyellow]

Better question.. how many players from the spurs will get in?
Parker
Duncan
Ginobli
horry.. I'm not saying all those guys will... what do you think?thats a good question, but robert horry is not a hall of famer

[mikeford]

horry and duncan

[still_life]

Another question: which team has the most future HOFers on it right now?

[LeftWideOpen]

Another question: which team has the most future HOFers on it right now?

Miami. Shaq, Payton, Zo, and probably Wade when all is said and done.

[Drew Beringer]

Pacers Fucked Them Up Tonight Wooooooooooooooooooo I'm Fuckin Stoked!!!!

[getupkid53]

If 'Zo gets in ... then horry will also....
I don't think either of those guys are dominate enough... even though I think they are great players.

and.. I hate Billups and Cassell.. do you have to be an asshole and a waste of money when you play in minnesota... it seems like that is the criteria for everyone but KG....

[itsjdiggity]

Pacers Fucked Them Up Tonight Wooooooooooooooooooo I'm Fuckin Stoked!!!!

haha

Pacers always play good against Detroit and Miami no matter what the lineup is

[bigmike]

this seems like a ridiculous question.
No.

[Drew Beringer]

haha

Pacers always play good against Detroit and Miami no matter what the lineup is

Everyone is writing off the Pacers already, just wait till Peja gets used to the system and has JO to play with. We will go deep in the playoffs. Granger is playing huge too.

[Erick Fate]

I am so sick of people talking about how "great" this team is ... OK so they are running over teams in the 1st half of the season in a NBA era that nobody until the playoffs. How people are already just handing them championship 40 games in is just stupid and insane. This same five didn't win anything last year ... If it wasn't for a Wade going down this same team doesn't even make the finals last year.

[FondestMemory]

I am so sick of people talking about how "great" this team is ... OK so they are running over teams in the 1st half of the season in a NBA era that nobody until the playoffs. How people are already just handing them championship 40 games in is just stupid and insane. This same five didn't win anything last year ... If it wasn't for a Wade going down this same team doesn't even make the finals last year.

it takes a lot to get to the nba finals. and to do it twice in a row and win it once, that's pretty fucking impressive. then to dominate the first half of the season the following year.

i'm not a pistons fan, and i'm not handing them the championship this year, but to not acknowledge that this is a 'great' team is pretty ridiculous.

[Erick Fate]

it takes a lot to get to the nba finals. and to do it twice in a row and win it once, that's pretty fucking impressive. then to dominate the first half of the season the following year.

i'm not a pistons fan, and i'm not handing them the championship this year, but to not acknowledge that this is a 'great' team is pretty ridiculous.

They are a good team. The NBA is at its lowest point as far as teams go ... When did teams below 500% make the playoffs? So who are you really beating? Its just sad how little players try anymore ... But to think this team could beat the Bulls of the 90s or any other great team is down right funny.

[somethingyellow]

horry and duncani cant see how horry would make it. I would give him a 1% chance of getting in

[Scott Weber]

Not a chance. the pistons piss me off.

[Drew Beringer]

Not a chance. the pistons piss me off.

WOooooo Go PACERS!

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

hahahaha theres not a chance in hell robert horry makes the hall of fame.

[somethingyellow]

hahahaha theres not a chance in hell robert horry makes the hall of fame.i should change that 1%. i agree he doesnt deserve to make it

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

the only way that robert horry might make it into the hall of fame, is if he is revealed to be the reincarnation of jesus christ. and even IF that were to be proven, he still probably wouldnt make it.

[Caleb Cattivera]

actually...

i saw on espn awhile ago when they were debating horry for the hall...some writers who vote said he should go in because of how important he's been to so many teams. every team he's been on, minus the suns, has won a championship, and he's one of the most clutch shooters in the game.

i personally don't see him getting in, but wouldn't argue it.

as for alonzo...had he not been sidelined by injury...i think he may've had a shot, and sitll may have a slight chance. he was a premier center in the leauge in the 90's. he's nearly a 20 and 10 career guy. as well as a 53% shooter and averaged 3 bpg for his career. seven time all star, two time defensive player of the year, two time all nba, and two time all defensive. if he can win a championship, i think he has a shot...but it wouldn't be first ballot. it'd have to be a really week class.

there's a hall of fame probabilty chart that has players who arent in yet, and they rank them. for instance, alonzo is #107 ans has a 34% chance at the hall.

[Scott Weber]

alonzo has absolutely zero business being in the hall of fame.

[bigmike]

alonzo has absolutely zero business being in the hall of fame.
hey, why do you hate the pistons?

[dai the flu]

horry might make it just based on the clutch shots he's hit before. you've all heard the announcers and sportswriters, they're all over his junk.

[fluke182]

If Rodman makes it in, which he will, Wallace will make it because of the Championship and his defensive importance to the team. No one else will, it's that simple. Rasheed is great, but still a disappointment considering he has the talent to be top 10 or 15 players in the NBA, but he's fine with just being good. Rip Hamilton is Reggie without the 3's, which is Reggie's biggest thing to get him into the hall of fame besides his clutch play, which Rip also lacks to a degree. So no to him also. Prince. Ha. Billups was a HUGE bust up until playing in Detroit, and he still only throws down OK stats. This is his first statistically great year. I do not care if he throws down 4 or 5 more similar seasons. That just means he's Isiah Thomas for a significantly less amount of time. No matter what anyone says, players do not make the Hall of Fame for 6 good years. Besides Drazen Petrovic, but he doesn't count because that was due to and because of extenuating circumstances.

[mikeford]

rodman was a much better defensive player than ben wallace.

robert horry deserves to be in. i've seen him miss ONE game winning shot in his entire career.

warrants mentioning.

also he looks like will smith.

[ActorInThisPlay]

They are a good team. The NBA is at its lowest point as far as teams go ... When did teams below 500% make the playoffs? So who are you really beating? Its just sad how little players try anymore ... But to think this team could beat the Bulls of the 90s or any other great team is down right funny.
well since more then half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs, probability would suggest a couple would be under .500

[ActorInThisPlay]

rodman was a much better defensive player than ben wallace.

robert horry deserves to be in. i've seen him miss ONE game winning shot in his entire career.

warrants mentioning.

also he looks like will smith.
i've seen more then that...you shouldn't be considered for the HOF just because you make a couple game winning shots.

[Talib Scottie]

Rip Hamilton pisses me off. Take off that fucking mask
If he breaks his nose one more time he needs major surgery. It's not cosmetic obviously

[somethingyellow]

i've seen more then that...you shouldn't be considered for the HOF just because you make a couple game winning shots.i agree

[Caleb Cattivera]

If Rodman makes it in, which he will, Wallace will make it because of the Championship and his defensive importance to the team. No one else will, it's that simple. Rasheed is great, but still a disappointment considering he has the talent to be top 10 or 15 players in the NBA, but he's fine with just being good. Rip Hamilton is Reggie without the 3's, which is Reggie's biggest thing to get him into the hall of fame besides his clutch play, which Rip also lacks to a degree. So no to him also. Prince. Ha. Billups was a HUGE bust up until playing in Detroit, and he still only throws down OK stats. This is his first statistically great year. I do not care if he throws down 4 or 5 more similar seasons. That just means he's Isiah Thomas for a significantly less amount of time. No matter what anyone says, players do not make the Hall of Fame for 6 good years. Besides Drazen Petrovic, but he doesn't count because that was due to and because of extenuating circumstances.

first off...wallace wont get in. he's had five good seasons, rodman did it continually for nine seasons. i dont think rodman will be a first ballot guy, he'll get in after a few tries. wallace will be lucky to get in.

as for drazen...i dont know what 'extenuating circumstances' are, but he paved the way for european players, and for them to be recognized.

he led his country to gold medals at the european and world championships, and a silver medal at the olympics in 88. he was originally drafted in 86 by the blazers, but due to legal issues didnt make it to the states until 90. played in the shadow of drexler for one and a half seasons before being traded to the nets. prior to joining the nets, they hadnt been to the playoffs in six seasons. he was able to lead them to that playoff apperance, and in the process averaged 25 ppg, 3 apg, and 3 rpg while shooting 54% from the field. in his final season he averaged 23 ppg, 4 apg, and 3 rpg and made the all nba team.

yes his career was cut short, and i think he would've been a premier sg in the leauge during the 90's. but we'll never really know. but the reason he's in the HOF is not because of his death, but because of the impact he had on basketball from an international perspective. it's not the NBA HOF...it's the basketball HOF.

fluke sorry if i misunderstood what you were saying, i just dont think his death affected him getting in.

[Brownpants06]

None of them. They are all mediocre.

[fluke182]

first off...wallace wont get in. he's had five good seasons, rodman did it continually for nine seasons. i dont think rodman will be a first ballot guy, he'll get in after a few tries. wallace will be lucky to get in.

as for drazen...i dont know what 'extenuating circumstances' are, but he paved the way for european players, and for them to be recognized.

he led his country to gold medals at the european and world championships, and a silver medal at the olympics in 88. he was originally drafted in 86 by the blazers, but due to legal issues didnt make it to the states until 90. played in the shadow of drexler for one and a half seasons before being traded to the nets. prior to joining the nets, they hadnt been to the playoffs in six seasons. he was able to lead them to that playoff apperance, and in the process averaged 25 ppg, 3 apg, and 3 rpg while shooting 54% from the field. in his final season he averaged 23 ppg, 4 apg, and 3 rpg and made the all nba team.

yes his career was cut short, and i think he would've been a premier sg in the leauge during the 90's. but we'll never really know. but the reason he's in the HOF is not because of his death, but because of the impact he had on basketball from an international perspective. it's not the NBA HOF...it's the basketball HOF.

fluke sorry if i misunderstood what you were saying, i just dont think his death affected him getting in.
All I was saying was Drazen made it in because of what he had done so far and what he would have done. He didn't get in because of his tragic death, but because of how great of a player he really was, and how important he was to the game. I wasn't bad mouthing him, I was just saying that was why it was OK he got in after 6 seasons. Also, if the Pistons win a championship or two more, and Wallace keeps it up for a few more seasons, he'll be remembered as THE defensive player of this generation of players. That warrants potential election, if not first ballot. I'm not saying he necessarily should be, I'm just saying he likely will be.

[Caleb Cattivera]

All I was saying was Drazen made it in because of what he had done so far and what he would have done. He didn't get in because of his tragic death, but because of how great of a player he really was, and how important he was to the game. I wasn't bad mouthing him, I was just saying that was why it was OK he got in after 6 seasons. Also, if the Pistons win a championship or two more, and Wallace keeps it up for a few more seasons, he'll be remembered as THE defensive player of this generation of players. That warrants potential election, if not first ballot. I'm not saying he necessarily should be, I'm just saying he likely will be.

k gotcha, wasnt exactly sure how you meant about drazen...but im glad you see why he was really elected.

some people say it's just because he died. what a crock of shit.

[floormaster925]

i agree
if he didn't have the rings, he wouldn't even be considered

[rcrook]

what a fucking bump...3 years jesus

[xbrokendownx]

jeff weaver face!

and mikeford!

[preppyak]

holy shit...Mikeford, Dai the Flu, Still_Life, Caleb and Yankees #1 Fan...what an epic combo of usernames in one thread

edit: and Jdiggity actually posted a non .gif response

[iihungrieii]

why do people respond to a 3 year old thread?

[rcrook]

he probably searched pistons and came up with this one

[LPMagic]

Damn, this is when I actually subscribed to threads through e-mail.