Banking Dictatorship for the USA

[SpacePunk]

More power to the Federal Reserve? So bankers are going to sort out the banking crisis now?

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/16/plan-gives-fed-sweeping-power-over-companies/?feat=article_top10_read

http://myiq2xu.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bankers.jpg

[saysmydoctor]

Good.

[SpacePunk]

And why is the Washington Times writing:

"The Federal Reserve, already arguably the most powerful agency in the U.S. government"

Are their writers retarded? Since when was the Fed part of the US government? Or is their job to mislead Americans now?

[saysmydoctor]

It is an independent government institution in the same sense of the USPS and the IRS.

[GuitarR0cker1]

It is an independent government institution in the same sense of the USPS and the IRS.
:nod:

[saysmydoctor]

People are idiots if they believe this institution operates completely independently. The Congress has complete oversight over it, not to mention the President appoints the board of governors.

[SpacePunk]

Woodrow Wilson after signing the Federal Reserve Act:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

"The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy."

[SpacePunk]

Alan Greenspan on the Federal Reserve:

"There is no other agency of government that can overrule the actions that we take..."

[saysmydoctor]

Alan Greenspan is right. He answered to no agency. He answered to the Congress. Laws regulate what the institution can do.

[jwicklun]

please no one bring any "new world order" bullshit to this thread

[Machu505]

zomg abolish the fed + 16th amendment lol.

ron paul 2012.

[Machu505]

Woodrow Wilson after signing the Federal Reserve Act:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
Too bad Wilson never said this (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson). Check out the "Misattributed" section.

[saysmydoctor]

People don't know what the fuck congressional oversight is should seriously simply NEVER talk about Politics, considering that's about 80% of the point of Congress.

[saysmydoctor]

Too bad Wilson never said this (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson). Check out the "Misattributed" section.
I always assumed it was a made up quote but could never confirm that, thanks for this.

[lew_1987]

bilderberg group rulez lolz

[jwicklun]

bilderberg group rulez lolz
is that the group that worships an owl?

[Machu505]

is that the group that worships an owl?
Nah. The Bilderberg Group is a meeting of higher-ups around the world.

[jwicklun]

Nah. The Bilderberg Group is a meeting of higher-ups around the world.
I think I've heard my conspiracy-nut roommate talk about that. He's watched the Obama Deception and Alex Jones lol.

[lew_1987]

I think I've heard my conspiracy-nut roommate talk about that. He's watched the Obama Deception and Alex Jones lol.

I just watched that film the other day.

[jwicklun]

I just watched that film the other day.
i saw it, and I was like...wow. Alex Jones sure does know how get some great resources!

[saysmydoctor]

Obama deception :lol:

The only deceptive think about him is the illusion of him being a liberal.

[jwicklun]

Obama deception :lol:

The only deceptive think about him is the illusion of him being a liberal.
my roommate also believes that the somalian pirate incident was set up, so the US government can invade Africa, take its resources, since Obama's cousin is the ruler of Kenya. Now thats a full-proof plan!

[saysmydoctor]

People are fucking batshit nuts. People thought that the national switch to digital was so the government could watch the populace a la Orwellian telescreen style.

[lew_1987]

i saw it, and I was like...wow. Alex Jones sure does know how get some great resources!

Most of what they presented was circumstantial evidence so it made it very hard to believe.

[jwicklun]

Most of what they presented was circumstantial evidence so it made it very hard to believe.
the lincoln quote in the beginning was proven false. Not only that, most of the "experts" were rappers, a conspiracy historian, and Joe Rogan.

[saysmydoctor]

Alex Jones produced Loose Change; he is easily ignorable.

[Machu505]

Alex Jones is a self-described paleoconservative. That is the best reason possible to ignore what he says.

[saysmydoctor]

What a funny term.

[jwicklun]

Alex Jones is a self-described paleo-conservative. That is the best reason possible to ignore what he says.
haha yeah I know, but I just needed to vent after hearing the bullshit my roommate came up with a whole semester. thank god I'm getting a new apartment and roommates.

[lew_1987]

the lincoln quote in the beginning was proven false. Not only that, most of the "experts" were rappers, a conspiracy historian, and Joe Rogan.

Haha, I found most of the 'experts' to be annoying, although I don't think it matters too much that some of them are rappers, they are only giving their opinions at the end of the day.

Thought that bit was great on the extras where they head to that convention and shout "9/11 was an inside job!" repeatedly over megaphones and you can hear it in the background on the news, haha.

Alex Jones produced Loose Change; he is easily ignorable.

Loose Change was a bit more believable in a lot of respects.

[saysmydoctor]

:shake:

Nah.

[jwicklun]

Loose Change was a bit more believable in a lot of respects.
yeah, and Grizzley Adams had a beard

[lew_1987]

:shake:

Nah.

At least it discussed the evidence in more detail rather than just saying "The Bilderberg group runs the government" and not really explaining much about how, why, or who.

yeah, and Grizzley Adams had a beard

I don't like Adam Sandler...

[saysmydoctor]

Evidence is apparently subjective because Loose Change offered little to no evidence. Check out the Popular Mechanics debate with the Loose Change kids, those guys factcheck'd the shit out of them.

[lew_1987]

Well from my point of view when I watched it, I could see the evidence as they presented it and make up my own mind about it. With The Obama Deception, it seemed like they were just saying "Here's what happens - deal with it."

[saysmydoctor]

Yeah, you should definitely see the debate. Because that same assertiveness you mention is very present.

[jwicklun]

Well from my point of view when I watched it, I could see the evidence as they presented it and make up my own mind about it. With The Obama Deception, it seemed like they were just saying "Here's what happens - deal with it."
I've said this before, but read the article of popular mechanics on the 9-11 conspiracy. the whole conspiracy is debunked and fact checked. loose change trys to convince you with 3D video work and scary music, but their "investigation" is made of just hypothesis and no experiment or credible resources.

[lew_1987]

I mean at the end of the day, there's not a lot they can prove about these grand theories - all they can do is present the evidence as they see it and let people decide for themselves. And they need to realise that they can't force it on people and just expect them to accept it.

I will definitely check that video out though.

I've said this before, but read the article of popular mechanics on the 9-11 conspiracy. the whole conspiracy is debunked and fact checked. loose change trys to convince you with 3D video work and scary music, but their "investigation" is made of just hypothesis and no experiment or credible resources.

Haha.

Have either of you seen Esoteric Agenda? Now if you think either of the other two films are unbelievable, you should go and watch that.

[jwicklun]

I mean at the end of the day, there's not a lot they can prove about these grand theories - all they can do is present the evidence as they see it and let people decide for themselves. And they need to realise that they can't force it on people and just expect them to accept it.

I will definitely check that video out though.



Haha.

Have either of you seen Esoteric Agenda? Now if you think either of the other two films are unbelievable, you should go and watch that.
yeah true, the only reason i'm like this is because this whole "9-11 truther" fad has become too big and too stupid. Its become big enough that people have become completley oblivious to the fact that there is evidence that terrorists did cause 9-11. Yes, it might have been prevented if the Bush adminstration had listened to intelligence, but it does not mean the government was hand in hand with the attack. Its just that people call themselves open minded when they believe this, when in reality they are being close minded.

[ShShShark]

I always assumed it was a made up quote but could never confirm that, thanks for this.

on that note, don't ever watch the movie America: freedom to fascism. its sitting on my dvd rack as we speak because i still haven't found out a way to make useful.

[jwicklun]

on that note, don't ever watch the movie America: freedom to fascism. its sitting on my dvd rack as we speak because i still haven't found out a way to make useful.
is that another alex jones movie?

[ShShShark]

is that another alex jones movie?

No its Arun Russo. The guy that did trading places with eddie murphy. If you watch the movie he shamelessly brings that up about 100 times.

[Mercy Medical]

please no one bring any "new world order" bullshit to this thread

bilderberg group rulez lolzI love it when people who believe this stuff call into a Libertarian podcast I listen to. They are the most crazy and the most amusing.

One lady called in and talked about both of these things and also talked about how Jesus was alive, living in Australia and she had his phone number and address....