The Official Sports Forum SB Thread

[LeftWideOpen]

I know Tate posted one on the main page, but this one is for the people on here who have followed the season all year long and had some heated discussion and debates. So here we go, the biggest game of the year ..

I'm putting my allegiances behind Seattle because of Hasselbeck being an alum. Plus, I think they matchup well. I think they'll win this game by keeping Pittsburgh honest w/ a steady run game, but the real damage will come in the passing game. Look for quick passes all day long and 1 or 2 big plays over the top. Close game that comes down to the wire, but I'm going Seattle 24-20 w/ Hasselbeck as the MVP (although I think Darrel Jackson comes up huge too).

Thoughts, feelings, predictions? Discuss.

[LPMagic]

I'm putting my allegiances behind Seattle because of Hasselbeck being an alum. Plus, I think they matchup well. I think they'll win this game by keeping Pittsburgh honest w/ a steady run game, but the real damage will come in the passing game. Look for quick passes all day long and 1 or 2 big plays over the top. Close game that comes down to the wire, but I'm going Seattle 24-20 w/ Hasselbeck as the MVP (although I think Darrel Jackson comes up huge too).
I basically feel the exact same way. I could actually see Alexander rushing for 60 yards and a TD, but the air game is what's going to win it for them.

[mikeford]

i have no idea what is going to happen tonight.

[mat1419]

for a game with two amazing running teams, i think the first half has a lot more passing than most people would guess. tons of pressure on hasselbeck makes it more difficut for him to get going than big ben.

14-7

second half adjustments are made, seahawks play better and make it close, but the steelers settle into their balance and ben plays well. 21-17.

[ActorInThisPlay]

as long as the score ends in Seattle 4, Pitt 4; 7,8; or 6,3 I will be a happy camper. half time and 1st and 3rd quarters would be bueno too. i want the money. If I don't win though, Go Seattle!

[mat1419]

tom brady gets mvp for the coin flip

[lostntheseethru]

im not going against my ben and the steelers....its gonna be a good game. that im not gonna deny. and itll be close. but im gonna say its the steelers. rooted for them all season, (except when they played the colts) so im not going back on that now.

[Drew Beringer]

I dunno who to cheer for.

[ThriftWhore]

i have no idea how it's going to get to this, but i'm saying 24-21, steelers. i think it may come down to special teams. alexander gets a td and maybe 75, but it's all on hasselbeck's back, to win or lose in the fourth i believe.

[LeftWideOpen]

haha, huge boos when they announced Deion Branch and Tom Brady. Poor Steelers fans still can't get over being 2nd best for those years.

[LeftWideOpen]

i don't think ive ever seen so many fans at a super bowl rooting for one team.

[lostntheseethru]

i don't think ive ever seen so many fans at a super bowl rooting for one team.they said on the espn show this afternoon its like 80/20 so there are a few sea hawks fans in there haha

[Mercy Medical]

they said on the espn show this afternoon its like 80/20 so there are a few sea hawks fans in there haha
Hey, it's a lot longer distance to travel from Seattle to Detroit then Pittsburg to Detroit.

[lostntheseethru]

Hey, it's a lot longer distance to travel from Seattle to Detroit then Pittsburg to Detroit.
oh i know. and that is why there are no seattle fans there. cuz well usually they have that 12th man going for them...(not that they need the 12th man the way the game is going now....)


i almost went to the game. we had a friend offer us tickets but no one would go with me cuz the steelers were playin and they took out the colts sooo, i didnt go haha.

[Talib Scottie]

Go Steelers.... I guess. I don't care really.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Bulllllshit.

[btbam > you]

yessss

[Jason Tate]

The fix is on baby! The refs are fucking up left and right in this one for the Steelers. I know Bettis winning is a great story - but WTF.

[Drew Beringer]

Haha, so far Magic Fridge >>>>>> actual game.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Haha, so far Magic Fridge >>>>>> actual game.

I missed that commercial. :(

[Drew Beringer]

I missed that commercial. :(

Hah, it's probably already online at youtube.com.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Hah, it's probably already online at youtube.com.

Sweet, I'll check during half.

[Drew Beringer]

Kick had the distance.

[preppyak]

Kick had the distance.
Norwooded it

This game is just uninteresting really, it feels like some leftover game in Week 3

[LeftWideOpen]

Haha, so far Magic Fridge >>>>>> actual game.

Haha, by far the best commerical of the night.

As for the officiating, it's been horrible. Two calls stick out: the phantom "push off" by Jackson, and of course the call on Big Ben. Who knows if Pittsburgh scores on 4th down, but either way it should be at least 10-7 Seahawks right now (giving Pittsburgh the benefit of the doubt that they would have gone for it on 4th and made it).

I'm not much for conspiracy theories but this game has been sketchy.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Haha, by far the best commerical of the night.

As for the officiating, it's been horrible. Two calls stick out: the phantom "push off" by Jackson, and of course the call on Big Ben. Who knows if Pittsburgh scores on 4th down, but either way it should be at least 10-7 Seahawks right now (giving Pittsburgh the benefit of the doubt that they would have gone for it on 4th and made it).

I'm not much for conspiracy theories but this game has been sketchy.

That PI call on DJax was so bad.

[mat1419]

This game is just uninteresting really, it feels like some leftover game in Week 3
pretty much...we'll see how the second half goes

magic fridge and crime deterant phone were great though

[HungJury]

The refs have definitely dictating this game. I'm going for Pittsburgh but I dont like how the refs are calling every big play in the game. Bettis needs a TD this game, then the world will end. haha

[HungJury]

Yea, that Sprint ad was the best, I think. Close 2nd is the magic fridge haha

[tambo41187]

Refs suck and i just lost 20 bucks cuz Seattle missed that field goal. How boring is this game.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Refs suck and i just lost 20 bucks cuz Seattle missed that field goal. How boring is this game.

haha you bet 20 bucks on the field goal?

get help.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

haha you bet 20 bucks on the field goal?

get help.
probably missed out of the points in a football pool

[btbam > you]

oh that was amazing

[Drew Beringer]

Alexander hasn't done shit.

[btbam > you]

Alexander hasn't done shit.

not too surprising

[Drew Beringer]

not too surprising

Didn't expect much from him.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Joey Porter has 1 tackle. 1. He sure talks a big game.

[Drew Beringer]

Joey Porter has 1 tackle. 1. He sure talks a big game.

Stevens dropped a wide open pass inside the 10. Plus, at least Porter's team is winning. Seattle forgot to show up in the 3rd quarter.

[somethingyellow]

if this continues there will be a lot of sad people at my school tomorrow haha

[Drew Beringer]

Oh My God, Big Int!!!

[somethingyellow]

Oh My God, Big Int!!!i thought he was gonna go all the way for the touchdown

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Stevens dropped a wide open pass inside the 10. Plus, at least Porter's team is winning. Seattle forgot to show up in the 3rd quarter.
He just caught a TD.

Stevens 6, Porter 1.

[Drew Beringer]

Stevens 1 Porter 0

Close game again.

[somethingyellow]

sweet, i want to see a good game

[Drew Beringer]

He just caught a TD.

Stevens 6, Porter 1.

No shit.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

No shit.
Haha that's how I'm counting it.

[Drew Beringer]

Haha that's how I'm counting it.

Haha, but before that TD, Porter or Stevens weren't doing shit.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Haha, but before that TD, Porter or Stevens weren't doing shit.
I disagree.

Stevens dropped two passes.

Porter's just running into the best LT in the game, Walter Jones, time and time again.

[Drew Beringer]

I disagree.

Stevens dropped two passes.

Porter's just running into the best LT in the game, Walter Jones, time and time again.

Exactly, neither of them had any significance to the game until Stevens caught that pass.

[Drew Beringer]

lol Stevens dropped another one, at least he caught the more important one.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Exactly, neither of them had any significance to the game until Stevens caught that pass.
And Stevens drops another.

Now I understand why Porter called him a first round bust. Dude can't hold the fucking ball.

[Talib Scottie]

hasslebeck just made a damn good tackle.

[btbam > you]

great play. that was amazing.

[somethingyellow]

that was a good pass

[Drew Beringer]

Backbreaker.

[LeftWideOpen]

really curious officiating in this game. once again, a very questionable and late call against seattle at a critical time (the holding call on the pass to the 1). Great pass by Randel El but I would be absolutely ripshit if I were a Seahawk fan.

[TJ Wells]

anyone else curious as to why the score isn't 17-14 seattle right now? cause it should be...

[Talib Scottie]

anyone else curious as to why the score isn't 17-14 seattle right now? cause it should be...
or 14-13

[TJ Wells]

or 14-13
yeah, at worst

[LeftWideOpen]

hasselbeck was down. if this isnt reversed, then this game really has lost credibility.

[Drew Beringer]

anyone else curious as to why the score isn't 17-14 seattle right now? cause it should be...

Cause Seattle is just fuckin up (minus the phantom PI called on Jackson in the first)

[Talib Scottie]

Is this reviewable? I hope so because he was touched.

[Drew Beringer]

Is this reviewable? I hope so because he was touched.

Thank God it was overturned, I didn't want Seattle fans to use it as an excuse :P

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I've never seen this guy referee a GAME before tonight.

Where's Mike Carey or Ed Hochuli?

[LeftWideOpen]

Thank God it was overturned, I didn't want Seattle fans to use it as an excuse :P

they still have a lot to complain about ...

the PI call that wasnt.
Big Ben's TD that wasnt.
The holding call that wasnt (although ive seen worse holding calls).

[Drew Beringer]

they still have a lot to complain about ...

the PI call that wasnt.
Big Ben's TD that wasnt.
The holding call that wasnt (although ive seen worse holding calls).

Haha, so true.

[hockey0001]

Cause Seattle is just fuckin up (minus the phantom PI called on Jackson in the first)

minus the phanton PI, the phantom holding, and the phantom penalty on Hasselback, and minus the no call on Porter's horsecaller tackle.

[Drew Beringer]

I just wish their was no controversy just so that none of the fans can bitch about it, ya know?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I just wish their was no controversy just so that none of the fans can bitch about it, ya know?
They should have picked a better crew.

Then again, this in an "All-Star" crew, and how many questionable calls were there in the NFL this season compared to other years? LOTS.

[somethingyellow]

I just wish their was no controversy just so that none of the fans can bitch about it, ya know?we are all gonna hear it from commatosa if seattle loses haha

[Drew Beringer]

we are all gonna hear it from commatosa if seattle loses haha

Yeah, :\

[LeftWideOpen]

I just wish their was no controversy just so that none of the fans can bitch about it, ya know?

totally agree. i mean seattle isnt thoroughly outplaying the Steelers, so I can't say this game would be Seattle's if those calls arent made .... but it would sure be a hell of a lot different. You'd have to add 14 points (or at least 10) for Seattle and subtract 7 (or at least 4) from Pittsburgh. Not to mention the whole "momentum" argument that could be made.

[Talib Scottie]

I just wish their was no controversy just so that none of the fans can bitch about it, ya know?
Amen. Now if the Seahawks win we're going to have 7 months of bitching.

[somethingyellow]

Yeah, :\i hear you :shake:

[Drew Beringer]

totally agree. i mean seattle isnt thoroughly outplaying the Steelers, so I can't say this game would be Seattle's if those calls arent made .... but it would sure be a hell of a lot different. You'd have to add 14 points (or at least 10) for Seattle and subtract 7 (or at least 4) from Pittsburgh. Not to mention the whole "momentum" argument that could be made.

Yeah, I know, it's gonna be a rowdy night tonight between the Steeler and Seahawk fans.

[Talib Scottie]

What a terrible Super Bowl.

[Drew Beringer]

What a terrible Super Bowl.

Seattle fucked up the end of both halfs. Here's another Super Bowl everyone outside of Pittsburgh will forget.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

What a terrible Super Bowl.
Dude, the refs didn't let them play.

Too many fucking phantom calls.

[hockey0001]

what an awful game this was. The refs were awful, seattle was awful, and pittsburgh was awful.

[Talib Scottie]

zzzzzzz

[Talib Scottie]

I was more for the Steelers then the Seahawks. I demand a do-over next Sunday.

If the game sucks again then both teams are barred from the league.

[FondestMemory]

i haven't been this happy in a long long time.

[LeftWideOpen]

Seattle fucked up the end of both halfs. Here's another Super Bowl everyone outside of Pittsburgh will forget.

yeah, I blame that on Holmgren too. Don't these guys run the 2 minute drill in practice??

Seattle has a right to complain about the officiating, but they didnt take care of business regardless of the calls. It's somewhat tainted for the Steelers (don't tell that to anyone in Pittsburgh though) because of the number of questionable calls, but Pittsburgh did take control towards the end.

To sum it up, it was just a shitty game haha. Pittsburgh fans will be happy and rightfully so, but I don't want to hear the stuff about it being the greatest run in postseason history or anything like that. They caught plenty of breaks this postseason. Congrats to them though because they still did enough to come out on top.

[LeftWideOpen]

MVP goes to ....

Hines Ward, I'm guessing. Only one who stood out.

[Caleb Cattivera]

yeah, I blame that on Holmgren too. Don't these guys run the 2 minute drill in practice??

Seattle has a right to complain about the officiating, but they didnt take care of business regardless of the calls. It's somewhat tainted for the Steelers (don't tell that to anyone in Pittsburgh though) because of the number of questionable calls, but Pittsburgh did take control towards the end.

To sum it up, it was just a shitty game haha. Pittsburgh fans will be happy and rightfully so, but I don't want to hear the stuff about it being the greatest run in postseason history or anything like that. They caught plenty of breaks this postseason. Congrats to them though because they still did enough to come out on top.

exactly. i wasnt for either team...

but i definatley dont want to hear anything about a great run either.

[FondestMemory]

To sum it up, it was just a shitty game haha. Pittsburgh fans will be happy and rightfully so, but I don't want to hear the stuff about it being the greatest run in postseason history or anything like that. They caught plenty of breaks this postseason. Congrats to them though because they still did enough to come out on top.

they beat the top three seeds in their conference and the top seed in the other conference. all on the road. i think that's a pretty damn impressive postseason run.

[LeftWideOpen]

they beat the top three seeds in their conference and the top seed in the other conference. all on the road. i think that's a pretty damn impressive postseason run.

it'll look great in the history books. but anyone outside of pittsburgh will forget about it by this time next year.

[Caleb Cattivera]

MVP goes to ....

Hines Ward, I'm guessing. Only one who stood out.

id be willing to give it to the refs haha.

[Caleb Cattivera]

it'll look great in the history books. but anyone outside of pittsburgh will forget about it by this time next year.

forget about what?

[LeftWideOpen]

forget about what?

the "run" they made in the playoffs. it wasnt memorable because it was tainted.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

but they didnt take care of business regardless of the calls.

Problem with saying this is that "The Calls" took away 11 points from the Seahawks. They lost by 11.

1st quarter: Phantom Darrell Jackson "pushoff" negates Seattle TD, they kick a FG. -4 points.

3rd (or was it 4th) quarter: Jerramy Stevens catches a ball at the 3 yard line, but is called back on a "Holding" call on RT Sean Locklear. Replays show no holding, at least not on Locklear. Play results in 2nd and 20, drive scores no points. -7 points, for -11 total.

Take those away, you have a 21-21 game.

[Caleb Cattivera]

the "run" they made in the playoffs. it wasnt memorable because it was tainted.

haha i know.

i was trying to make a joke :)

i want that escalade.

[LeftWideOpen]

Hines Ward gets MVP. Deserved.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Hines Ward gets MVP. Deserved.
I voted for him. He deserved it.

[Talib Scottie]

the "run" they made in the playoffs. it wasnt memorable because it was boring.
There you are.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i bet still_life rooted for the steelers...but had on a peyton manning jersey.

[LeftWideOpen]

Problem with saying this is that "The Calls" took away 11 points from the Seahawks. They lost by 11.

1st quarter: Phantom Darrell Jackson "pushoff" negates Seattle TD, they kick a FG. -4 points.

3rd (or was it 4th) quarter: Jerramy Stevens catches a ball at the 3 yard line, but is called back on a "Holding" call on RT Sean Locklear. Replays show no holding, at least not on Locklear. Play results in 2nd and 20, drive scores no points. -7 points, for -11 total.

Take those away, you have a 21-21 game.

yeah i know, but when you throw in all the botched plays and dropped passes ...it's hard to be vehemently behind seattle.

i'm sure the NFL got what it wanted though. I'd really like to know if these refs are instructed to call games a certain way that may favor the team that brings them in more revenue and publicity. It's a business, so I think it's a legitimate question to be asked.

[The PF rules]

Hopefully Joey Porter will say the NFL wanted the Steelers to win cause it was pretty evident.

[commatosa]

really? I thought the MVP should have been the refs. I'm surprised one of the flage they threw wasn't a terrible towel. We did NOT lose that game.

[Scott Weber]

Great game. Hawks had it in their hands but couldn't pull the trigger. The penalties, the drops...Despite dismal officiating, the Steelers won this game straight up, and all the props to them. Game was a lot closer than the score indicates. That's all I have to say, I'm gonna go back and hang out with my friends. More thoughts later.

P.S. - that was not pass interference and Roethisburger did not get in the end zone. Would it have mattered? Who knows. Probably. Can't argue with the score, but the officiating was bullshit.

[Talib Scottie]

really? I thought the MVP should have been the refs. I'm surprised one of the flage they threw wasn't a terrible towel. We did NOT lose that game.
zzzzzzzz

[Talib Scottie]

I thought Ben barely got the tip of the ball over the end zone line but again they never have the exact correct angle to display the replay.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Great game. Hawks had it in their hands but couldn't pull the trigger. The penalties, the drops...Despite dismal officiating, the Steelers won this game straight up, and all the props to them. Game was a lot closer than the score indicates. That's all I have to say, I'm gonna go back and hang out with my friends. More thoughts later.

P.S. - that was not pass interference and Roethisburger did not get in the end zone. Would it have mattered? Who knows. Probably. Can't argue with the score, but the officiating was bullshit.

all of you seattle fans...take scott's example. admit when your team's been defeated, even if some shitty calls led to it.

and yes the officiating did suck.

[Vincewithouthee]

Quit bitching motherfuckers, Steelers won.

this game did suck ass, but I dont care. steelers won!!!!!!!!!

[FondestMemory]

really? I thought the MVP should have been the refs. I'm surprised one of the flage they threw wasn't a terrible towel. We did NOT lose that game.

thought we weren't gonna hear a word from you after the super bowl? i was actually looking forward to that.

and just in case you missed it: seahawks 10, steelers 21.

[Talib Scottie]

Quit bitching motherfuckers, Steelers won.

this game did suck ass, but I dont care. steelers won!!!!!!!!!
Haha. I think only two people have really bitches about it though.

Weebs was very honorable.

BTW I have mad respect for Hasslebeck because he made the best QB tackle I've ever seen.

[FondestMemory]

Great game. Hawks had it in their hands but couldn't pull the trigger. The penalties, the drops...Despite dismal officiating, the Steelers won this game straight up, and all the props to them. Game was a lot closer than the score indicates. That's all I have to say, I'm gonna go back and hang out with my friends. More thoughts later.

P.S. - that was not pass interference and Roethisburger did not get in the end zone. Would it have mattered? Who knows. Probably. Can't argue with the score, but the officiating was bullshit.

way to be civil. it's refreshing.

and the roethlisberger call could have went either way. i didn't think he got it in, but from the one angle it looked like just the tip got over. there was no positive evidence either way. the pass interference, technically was a pushoff, but it was a bullshit call.

but either way you look at it, champions overcome whatever obstacles they need to, and seattle had their chances too and failed.

congrats for getting there, and good luck bringing alexander back and keeping that team together.

[minusthejosh]

what an awful waste of time that game was.

[Fullcollapse3k]

At least it wasn't as bad as Giants/Ravens.

Terrible game, but it could have been worse.

[Talib Scottie]

At least it wasn't as bad as Giants/Ravens.

Terrible game, but it could have been worse.
There was some good hitting that game.

[Fullcollapse3k]

There was some good hitting that game.

That game was so bad. It was entertaining because of how good the Ravens D was that year, but the game itself was a joke.

[minusthejosh]

At least it wasn't as bad as Giants/Ravens.

Terrible game, but it could have been worse.

don't even remind me, that could quite possibly be the worst super bowl ever.

[FondestMemory]

That game was so bad. It was entertaining because of how good the Ravens D was that year, but the game itself was a joke.

whatever happened to the giants rookie that ran the kickoff back for a td? i haven't even heard his name since that game.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Hey, it's a lot longer distance to travel from Seattle to Detroit then Pittsburg to Detroit.

Seattle doesn't care about Football, like Pittsburgh does.

In Miami, there is Pittsburgh Steelers Merch stores on Main Street and at every Boardwalk. Every time we play The Dolphins it's a 50/50 crowd. Half Steelers, half Dolphins.

[itsjdiggity]

i really enjoyed this game

that Randle El shit was bomb

[GoWaitInTheCar]

BTW I have mad respect for Hasslebeck because he made the best QB tackle I've ever seen.

Apparently you didn't watch The Colts vs. Steelers game..

[minusthejosh]

whatever happened to the giants rookie that ran the kickoff back for a td? i haven't even heard his name since that game.

who knows, i don't remember a single thing about that game.

[Vincewithouthee]

Randel El owns he's a beast. I'm going crazy. i just need to get my dick sucked and its all good.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Randel El owns he's a beast. I'm going crazy. i just need to get my dick sucked and its all good.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Randel El owns he's a beast. I'm going crazy. i just need to get my dick sucked and its all good.

Haha.

Oh my God.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Randel El owns he's a beast. I'm going crazy. i just need to get my dick sucked and its all good.

Sober up and then come back.

[FondestMemory]

Randel El owns he's a beast. I'm going crazy. i just need to get my dick sucked and its all good.

call up commatosa. i'm sure he needs to do something to get his mind off the game.

[minusthejosh]

Randel El owns he's a beast. I'm going crazy. i just need to get sucked and its all good.

i'll give you that, but it was almost like the refs were an extra member of the steelers team.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Sober up and then come back.

let him post.

sure it's annoying, but damn was that the best thing ive ever seen.

[Fullcollapse3k]

let him post.

sure it's annoying, but damn was that the best thing ive ever seen.

The fanboy outburst or the perverted-ness?

A bit of both, I guess, haha.

[Vincewithouthee]

hahaha man though that was a horrible game. it couldve gone anyway at anytime. I didnt underrated the seahawks one bit

but what bad calls against the seahawks and for the steelers are people talking about? I didnt see any of those. I thought there was good officiating.

[Fullcollapse3k]

hahaha man though that was a horrible game. it couldve gone anyway at anytime. I didnt underrated the seahawks one bit

but what bad calls against the seahawks and for the steelers are people talking about? I didnt see any of those. I thought there was good officiating.

Got drunk before the game, obviously.

[Caleb Cattivera]

The fanboy outburst or the perverted-ness?

A bit of both, I guess, haha.

both...haha.

the pervertedness was one of the most classic posts ive ever seen i believe.

[Fullcollapse3k]

both...haha.

the pervertedness was one of the most classic posts ive ever seen i believe.

I love Vince, he'd screw anything with a pulse.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I love Vince, he'd screw anything with a pulse.

hahahahhahahaha.

[Scott Weber]

Seattle doesn't care about Football, like Pittsburgh does.

In Miami, there is Pittsburgh Steelers Merch stores on Main Street and at every Boardwalk. Every time we play The Dolphins it's a 50/50 crowd. Half Steelers, half Dolphins.
Seattle has the loudest stadium in the NFL, in case you missed that.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Seattle has the loudest stadium in the NFL, in case you missed that.

true story!

[Scott Weber]

hahaha man though that was a horrible game. it couldve gone anyway at anytime. I didnt underrated the seahawks one bit

but what bad calls against the seahawks and for the steelers are people talking about? I didnt see any of those. I thought there was good officiating.
are you serious????? wow, you must have been WASTED. The pass interference on D Jackson, the commentators even called it bullshit, there's no way Roethisburger got over the goal line, there was a "holding" penalty that called back a pass to the 2, and Hasselbeck's illegal block/tackle. Steelers played great, but the Seahawks didn't play poorly at all, in fact they played really well - they just got fucked by mistakes and penalties. Not saying the game would have gone differently, but I really would have liked to see what would have happened if the officials made the right calls. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda.

[Fullcollapse3k]

are you serious????? wow, you must have been WASTED. The pass interference on D Jackson, the commentators even called it bullshit, there's no way Roethisburger got over the goal line, there was a "holding" penalty that called back a pass to the 2, and Hasselbeck's illegal block/tackle. Steelers played great, but the Seahawks didn't play poorly at all, in fact they played really well - they just got fucked by mistakes and penalties. Not saying the game would have gone differently, but I really would have liked to see what would have happened if the officials made the right calls. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda.

They really didn't play badly at all. It's not so much that they lost it, it's that they couldn't seize certain opportunities and win it.

[Jesse2]

i really wish seattle could have sealed the deal on some of those drives.

while some calls were total BS the Steelers got it done when they needed to so props for that.

congrats steelers fans.

[LeftWideOpen]

that episode of Grey's Anatomy > Super Bowl.

[FondestMemory]

that episode of Grey's Anatomy > Super Bowl.

were there werewolves? i was really hoping there were werewolves. that's what i always assume 'code black' is.

[dai the flu]

I love Vince, he'd screw anything with a pulse.
would he limit himself like that?

and the steelers played like total CRAP, and we still won. that was nothing like the steelers we've been watching.

the calls?
watch the pass interference call. he obviously pushed him and it clearly knocked him backwards off the play.
roethlisbergers touchdown? if 1 millimeter of that ball crosses that line, its a TD, and none of those replays were conclusive in showing that it didnt.
and the way madden went off about the holding call was totally brainless. the o-lineman was behind the steeler, holding him around the neck. what makes that a bad call?

[LeftWideOpen]

would he limit himself like that?

and the steelers played like total CRAP, and we still won. that was nothing like the steelers we've been watching.

the calls?
watch the pass interference call. he obviously pushed him and it clearly knocked him backwards off the play.
roethlisbergers touchdown? if 1 millimeter of that ball crosses that line, its a TD, and none of those replays were conclusive in showing that it didnt.
and the way madden went off about the holding call was totally brainless. the o-lineman was behind the steeler, holding him around the neck. what makes that a bad call?

i suggest pittsburgh fans just save themselves the energy and abstain from the referee discussion because we know what you think and we don't believe you. go enjoy the win, you took care of business.

[marrost]

Other than an overlooked clip on Roethlisberger, it was a well called and pretty entertaining game. The Steelers deserve it, and seemed to be the better fit as world champions.

[dai the flu]

its not a matter of believing or not. watch the damn play and tell me how im wrong.

[LeftWideOpen]

were there werewolves? i was really hoping there were werewolves. that's what i always assume 'code black' is.

haha no. 2 guys made a homemade boozaka while re-enacting the Civil War and one guy shot himself w/out the ammunition exploding. So, he came into the hospital as a ticking bomb basically and a medic was saving his life/preventing the explosion by sticking her hand in and stabilizing the ammo. It's a 2 parter thats continuing next week. Pretty intense for a show that's strength is usually just witty writing. I didn't really understand why they decided to showcase the show by airing after the Super Bowl, but now I do. It could appeal to people beyond it's normal target audience.

[itsjdiggity]

for the pass interference, i think it was called because of the thrusting motion that he did with his arm

[marrost]

Roethlisberger's forearm came over the white line. It was plain as day and there was no evidence at all to overturn that call.

The pushing off called on the Seahawks could be argued a little heavier, but he did get a flat hand on the defender's jersey so I understand it.

If you say that call was bullshit, then what about the Hasselbeck fumble? You're telling me that the hand on him had any impact on the ball coming out? The fumble being overturned was just as much bullshit as the TD being taken away, so you can say those two calls cancel each other out.

There's no use complaining, it was fairly called.

[FondestMemory]

haha no. 2 guys made a homemade boozaka while re-enacting the Civil War and one guy shot himself w/out the ammunition exploding. So, he came into the hospital as a ticking bomb basically and a medic was saving his life/preventing the explosion by sticking her hand in and stabilizing the ammo. It's a 2 parter thats continuing next week. Pretty intense for a show that's strength is usually just witty writing. I didn't really understand why they decided to showcase the show by airing after the Super Bowl, but now I do. It could appeal to people beyond it's normal target audience.

cool, cool. i tried watching that show when it first started. but then it just seemed like it'd be all about patrick dempsey and that chick getting it on, so i lost interest. i've heard nothing but good things about it though.

and, did they really have bazookas in the civil war?

[itsjdiggity]

compared to that colts game, this was fairly called

steelers also had back to back false starts right from the get go

[LeftWideOpen]

Roethlisberger's forearm came over the white line. It was plain as day and there was no evidence at all to overturn that call.

The pushing off called on the Seahawks could be argued a little heavier, but he did get a flat hand on the defender's jersey so I understand it.

If you say that call was bullshit, then what about the Hasselbeck fumble? You're telling me that the hand on him had any impact on the ball coming out? The fumble being overturned was just as much bullshit as the TD being taken away, so you can say those two calls cancel each other out.

There's no use complaining, it was fairly called.

you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone who doesnt wave a towel and wear yellow and black that this game was fairly called. Again, just like Weber said, I don't think it made the difference in the game, BUT ... Seattle had a few bad calls at critical times go against them. What irks me most about them is that they were all late calls. The holding flag wasnt thrown until Stevens caught the ball .. Jackson's PI wasnt called until he caught the ball, and Ben's TD wasnt called until about 5 seconds later after he thrusted forward while laying on the ground.

They were suspect calls. But, they were by no means the entire game.

[dai the flu]

what about roethlisberger, the only steeler in the play, the only block the ref's have to look at, getting so plainly blocked in the back on the interception return and no call? that led to your one touchdown.
dont give me this ref bias bs. i knew before this game started that the steelers wouldnt win without you bitches whining about something.

[LeftWideOpen]

cool, cool. i tried watching that show when it first started. but then it just seemed like it'd be all about patrick dempsey and that chick getting it on, so i lost interest. i've heard nothing but good things about it though.

and, did they really have bazookas in the civil war?

ahhh maybe it was World War 2. Actually, it was now that I think of it. I personally love the show because of its writing. It's a witty and introspective show, but it's in the same mold as something like Desperate Housewives. People who typically only enjoy shows like 24 and Lost aren't going to get into it. The storyline between Dempsey and the intern has cooled off though, so you should give it another shot. The conclusion of this week's episode is next Sunday.

[Fullcollapse3k]

I don't think you can go on much about the Roethlisberger call, because that could've went either way. If you look at it really closely, there's a good shot the tip of the ball may have broken the plane. I don't think he got in, but I can see why they couldn't overturn it. Plus they likely would have scored on fourth down anyways.

That Stevens call was bullshit, and the DJax pushoff was such a tic tac call that I wanted to vomit.

[Drew Beringer]

Really, the calls fucked over Seattle, but their clock management at the end of each half fucked them over even worse.

[marrost]

you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone who doesnt wave a towel and wear yellow and black that this game was fairly called. Again, just like Weber said, I don't think it made the difference in the game, BUT ... Seattle had a few bad calls at critical times go against them. What irks me most about them is that they were all late calls. The holding flag wasnt thrown until Stevens caught the ball .. Jackson's PI wasnt called until he caught the ball, and Ben's TD wasnt called until about 5 seconds later after he thrusted forward while laying on the ground.

They were suspect calls. But, they were by no means the entire game.True, but Ben's touchdown was a touchdown, Jackson's TD could have been a TD, and Hasselbecks fumble could have been a fumble. No matter how you slice it, the Seahawks lose this game.

I wasn't really rooting for a particular team, I just don't like excuses being made when the outcomes wouldn't have decided the game anyway. I thought it was a pretty good watch.

[LeftWideOpen]

what about roethlisberger, the only steeler in the play, the only block the ref's have to look at, getting so plainly blocked in the back on the interception return and no call? that led to your one touchdown.
dont give me this ref bias bs. i knew before this game started that the steelers wouldnt win without you bitches whining about something.

my touchdown? I'm not a Seahawks fan buddy. The refs screwed up a few calls in critical times, thats it. It's happened before and it'll happen again. GO ENJOY YOUR WIN AND GET OFF THIS BOARD. You deserve it as a Steelers fan.

[LeftWideOpen]

Really, the calls fucked over Seattle, but their clock management at the end of each half fucked them over even worse.

totally agreed. They blew it, period.

[itsjdiggity]

that end was so anticlimatic...that's two in a row with bad clock management

[Drew Beringer]

totally agreed. They blew it, period.

Seattle handles those better, especially in the first half, I think they win.

[Scott Weber]

Roethlisberger's forearm came over the white line. It was plain as day and there was no evidence at all to overturn that call.

The pushing off called on the Seahawks could be argued a little heavier, but he did get a flat hand on the defender's jersey so I understand it.

If you say that call was bullshit, then what about the Hasselbeck fumble? You're telling me that the hand on him had any impact on the ball coming out? The fumble being overturned was just as much bullshit as the TD being taken away, so you can say those two calls cancel each other out.

There's no use complaining, it was fairly called.
You really don't understand the down by contact rule, do you?

The Roth. TD never should have been called. There was no evidence to call a touchdown in the first place, and it was so close that it couldn't be overturned, plus the ref was a pussy. Whatever, I'm over it. DJ's PI and Locklear's holds were so ticky-tack that they were sickening. You just don't call those. You just don't.

[still_life]

- That is OPI on Jackson, and would be called every time, especially when it's right in front of a ref. You can't have contact on a pass, and he pushed right off.
- Roethlisberger's TD was close, and remember, he just has to break the plane of the endzone, whether that's on the ground or through the air. There was nothing conclusive to overturn it
- Holmgren had horrible clock management in this game
- What about the block in the back on Ben and the INT return? An obvious miss
- What about the helmet to helmet hit by Manuel on Ward's reverse?
- The holding call on Locklear was tacky, but I've seen worse
- The Hasselbeck penalty after his horrible INT was wrong
- Randle El threw a beautiful pass on a trick play, Parker broke a huge run, and Ben made a great play to hook up with Ward on 3rd and 28
- The Steelers won with big plays and executed when they had to, Seattle had their chances and blew it
- Porter made Stevens look pretty dumb with 4 drops tonight

[Johnny_G]

Excuses, excuses. Seattle was outplayed, but more importantly they were outcoached. If your a Seattle fan, do yourself a favor and hang this loss on your head coach. You have arguably the best running back in the league and run the ball 20 times while throwing 49 passes? I mean, what in the hell is Mikey boy thinking? Seattle came out effective in the first quarter throwing short outs and running the ball. All of the sudden they get down a score and its time to throw hail mary's for the rest of the game??? Aside from that, their clock management was simply horrible. Again, you have to blame the coaching staff and QB for that as well.

If you want to talk about officiating, the Jackson OPI was clear cut. I don't care if he pushed off that hard or not, he clearly stuck a jab right in the chest of the defender. It's a penalty and a very dumb and costly one at that.

The Big Ben TD was a 50/50 call. You couldn't see the ball tucked under his arm, although if you imagine the ball under his arm it seems likely that at least the nose of the ball crossed the plane. There was not indisputable evidence to overturn, thus the ref made the right call by sticking with the call on the field.

On a side note, this was an insanely sloppy and poorly played game by both teams. If this is the best the NFL has to offer, its pretty clear that the leagues digressing. I saw mistakes tonight that you usually see in preseason, but definately not the showcase of the season...

Mick Jagger is absolutely unbelievable for his age... and thats pretty much my Super Bowl rant.

[still_life]

Hasselbeck is incredibly inaccurate on the deep ball. He's a dink and dunk guy. It worked early, they should have stuck with it.

[marrost]

You really don't understand the down by contact rule, do you?

The Roth. TD never should have been called. There was no evidence to call a touchdown in the first place, and it was so close that it couldn't be overturned, plus the ref was a pussy. Whatever, I'm over it. DJ's PI and Locklear's holds were so ticky-tack that they were sickening. You just don't call those. You just don't.You can argue about the fucking semantics all night and I, or anyone, could throw it back the other way as well.

Hasselbeck wasn't down by contact. His dumb ass slipped and was touched on the way down. Are you sure you understand the rule?
You could tell Roethlisberger's arm extended to the entrance of the endzone, before he reached across after being down.
Jackson pushed off directly in front of the ref, and whether or not it affected the play, he still did it in plain sight.

Pitt outplayed Seattle. The End.

[marrost]

Mick Jagger is absolutely unbelievable for his age... and thats pretty much my Super Bowl rant.That halftime show was just all kinds of terrible. I laughed through most of it.

[LeftWideOpen]

- That is OPI on Jackson, and would be called every time, especially when it's right in front of a ref. You can't have contact on a pass, and he pushed right off.
- Roethlisberger's TD was close, and remember, he just has to break the plane of the endzone, whether that's on the ground or through the air. There was nothing conclusive to overturn it
- Holmgren had horrible clock management in this game
- The holding call on Locklear was tacky, but I've seen worse
- The Hasselbeck penalty after his horrible INT was wrong
- Randle El threw a beautiful pass on a trick play, Parker broke a huge run, and Ben made a great play to hook up with Ward on 3rd and 28
- The Steelers won with big plays and executed when they had to, Seattle had their chances and blew it

Disagree with the first two and agree with everything else. Jackson made contact, there is no dispute about that, but he didnt literally push off. He didnt throw the DB off balance in any way, or did the contact he made provide momentum in any direction. He merely ran the guy around in circles and made quick contact with his arm. If you wanna say it's technically PI because of the contact, then okay, but the contact had nothing to do with the catch, so I don't think that should be called and it usually isnt.

The call I took biggest issue with was the TD by Ben because not only did it seem apparent by replay that he didnt break the goal line, but the ref didnt make the call until Ben threw the ball over the goal line while LAYING on the ground. That's when his arms went up - that's absurd.

But I agree that Pittsburgh made the plays when they had to and Seattle didnt. Pittsburgh deserved this win, but I thought they got an assist from the refs.

[still_life]

Disagree with the first two and agree with everything else. Jackson made contact, there is no dispute about that, but he didnt literally push off. He didnt throw the DB off balance in any way, or did the contact he made provide momentum in any direction. He merely ran the guy around in circles and made quick contact with his arm. If you wanna say it's technically PI because of the contact, then okay, but the contact had nothing to do with the catch, so I don't think that should be called and it usually isnt.

The call I took biggest issue with was the TD by Ben because not only did it seem apparent by replay that he didnt break the goal line, but the ref didnt make the call until Ben threw the ball over the goal line while LAYING on the ground. That's when his arms went up - that's absurd.

But I agree that Pittsburgh made the plays when they had to and Seattle didnt. Pittsburgh deserved this win, but I thought they got an assist from the refs.

Why do you think DJax was wide open and Hope (I think it was Hope) was just standing there frozen? He pushed off, and that's OPI.

There was nothing conclusive on the replays to say if Ben had a TD or not, so it was up to the ref in live action to judge it, and he said TD.

[justinevans]

I'm not even a Seahawks fan, but we you can tell the league wanted the game to go a certain way. Leavy has always been horrible in important game and is always one that becomes biased.

- jackson's td was not a push-off...if it were the nhl, the db would have a penalty for taking a dive.
- the phantom holding call on the pass to the 4 was an awful call.
- the big ben td, eh...cowher would have gone for it anyway...i could not see seattle stuff a 6'5" qb from 1 inch out anyway.
- the block in the block was another iffy call...he did have 1 hand to the side/slash front of big ben's body...normally that is not called. the back of the player's body has to be square to him.
- the illegal cut block on hasselback when he was making a tackle? what was that?
- stevens' drops didn't help.

Seattle made mistakes, but you cannot be blind and say questionable calls did not determine the outcome of this game.

I didn't care who won, but I'd atleast like to see a fair game. The NFL and Collegiate refs were God awful this year.

[still_life]

Roethlisberger, Porter, Wilson, and Polamalu all didn't have a good game (and they have probably been the key players in the last 3 playoff games), yet the Steelers still won by 11. That says it all to me. I don't care about what happened with missed FG's or refs, the Steelers executed better when it counted.

[LeftWideOpen]

Why do you think DJax was wide open and Hope (I think it was Hope) was just standing there frozen? He pushed off, and that's OPI.

There was nothing conclusive on the replays to say if Ben had a TD or not, so it was up to the ref in live action to judge it, and he said TD.

Jackson ran Hope around in circles. Hope was standing there and not even making much of an attempt to cover Jackson. That's why he was wide open for the catch. As for the replay not being conclusive, it was pretty damn apparent. I'm taking issue with the initial call on the field more so than the replay judge's decision stick with it (although I question that too). What stuck in my mind was as the ref on the goal line began to run in he made no call. Then, Ben blatantly lunged forward over the line after the play was dead and that's when the TD call was made. I find that to be ridicolous.

But, I don't want to argue this in circles because the Steelers still came away with the W because they played the better game. It was just a little tainted to me.

[still_life]

I've seen OPI calls like that all the time. He pushed off, simple as that.

And the Steelers did a great job of adjusting to shut down DJax for the rest of the game. He had no catches in the last 3 quarters.

Even if you don't like Roethlisberger's TD call, the chances of Seattle stopping a big QB on a sneak on 4th and inches aren't good.

[LPMagic]

The Ben Roethlisberger Rushing TD

At first, the referee held up one hand to down the ball. After Roethlisberger pulled the ball up past the goalline, he help up the other hand. Now you can say there was no evidence to dispute the touchdown call, but the call shouldn't have been made in the first place. That call not only wrongly gave Pittsburgh 4 extra points, but it altered the momentum.

The Offensive Pass Interference Call

Putting your hand on a player does not constitute interference. Watch WRs and cornerbacks all game, they're putting their hands on each other. Show me where the push off was. You can't tell me the DB was interfered from catching / getting to the ball, Jackson just juked him out and had him beat.

The Matt Hasselback Low Block Penalty

This can't-argue-call gave the Steelers an extra 15 yards which helped set up the trick play TD. Who knows if they would've went for that play if they were 20 yards back? The refs were absolutely wrong and there is nothing you can say in their defense.

The Stevens Catch on the 1 Holding Call

Awful call. The announcers both agree. If you're going to call holding on that, you have to call it every single play.

I'm not a Seahawks fan or trying to be bias here (and I agree that Holmgren showed some of the worst use of the clock and his playbook at the end of each half that I've seen), those are just the calls and opinions on another playoff game I would consider poorly officiated.

[LeftWideOpen]

I'm not even a Seahawks fan, but we you can tell the league wanted the game to go a certain way. Leavy has always been horrible in important game and is always one that becomes biased.

- jackson's td was not a push-off...if it were the nhl, the db would have a penalty for taking a dive.
- the phantom holding call on the pass to the 4 was an awful call.
- the big ben td, eh...cowher would have gone for it anyway...i could not see seattle stuff a 6'5" qb from 1 inch out anyway.
- the block in the block was another iffy call...he did have 1 hand to the side/slash front of big ben's body...normally that is not called. the back of the player's body has to be square to him.
- the illegal cut block on hasselback when he was making a tackle? what was that?
- stevens' drops didn't help.

Seattle made mistakes, but you cannot be blind and say questionable calls did not determine the outcome of this game.

I didn't care who won, but I'd atleast like to see a fair game. The NFL and Collegiate refs were God awful this year.

I saw it the same way, and I'm not a Seahawk fan either. Seattle made too many mistakes and Pitt made plays when it counted, but the calls on the field had a significant effect on the outcome. They came at the most critical moments and they were late flags, which is why I'm suspicious. This wasnt some phantom hold on a 25 yard run on a critical 3rd down ..it was a TD for Pitt, a TD taken away from Seattle, and a big play to the 2 yard line by Seattle.

[still_life]

If Seattle needs to look at another reason they lost, it's because they went 5/17 on 3rd down, while the Steelers were 8/15.

[justinevans]

You can argue about the fucking semantics all night and I, or anyone, could throw it back the other way as well.

Hasselbeck wasn't down by contact. His dumb ass slipped and was touched on the way down. Are you sure you understand the rule?
You could tell Roethlisberger's arm extended to the entrance of the endzone, before he reached across after being down.
Jackson pushed off directly in front of the ref, and whether or not it affected the play, he still did it in plain sight.

Pitt outplayed Seattle. The End.

It doesn't matter. He was doing what most QB's do - duck down to not take a big hit. If you are touched when going to the ground or on the ground, you are down by contact, no matter what caused you to goto the ground.

Seriously, if he tripped and fell and then got up and scored a TD are you meaning to tell me that you wouldn't bitch that he was down by "contact" at that spot? --Think about it.

Big Ben's TD was real close...normally refs are taught to not call that play a TD and then review it. The ref even singled 4th down until big ben put his hands over after being down. There is not point to argue that call anyway. I have all the faith in the world that he would have scored on the next play anyway even if it was 4th. It ran less time off the clock for Seattle.

btw this is all the rule says

"Runner must be down "by contact" unless gives up by feet first slide."

[justinevans]

I saw it the same way, and I'm not a Seahawk fan either. Seattle made too many mistakes and Pitt made plays when it counted, but the calls on the field had a significant effect on the outcome. They came at the most critical moments and they were late flags, which is why I'm suspicious. This wasnt some phantom hold on a 25 yard run on a critical 3rd down ..it was a TD for Pitt, a TD taken away from Seattle, and a big play to the 2 yard line by Seattle.

the TD for Pitt could have gone either way. like i said, i think they would have scored on the next play.

[LPMagic]

the TD for Pitt could have gone either way. like i said, i think they would have scored on the next play.
It would've been 4th down in the Super Bowl. At that point, any coach would take the 3.

[Johnny_G]

It would've been 4th down in the Super Bowl. At that point, any coach would take the 3.

You obviously didn't watch any of the Steelers in the 2006 postseason...

[still_life]

And what about the illegal pick play Seattle ran when Stevens actually caught a pass and it was for a TD?

[LPMagic]

And what about the illegal pick play Seattle ran when Stevens actually caught a pass and it was for a TD?
Illegal pick? What is this, basketball? That's called a crossing route.

[Johnny_G]

Illegal pick? What is this, basketball? That's called a crossing route.
Hahaha. Oh my god you're such an idiot.

[LPMagic]

You obviously didn't watch any of the Steelers in the 2006 postseason...
I didn't realize they played in so many Super Bowls in the 2006 postseason.

[LPMagic]

Hahaha. Oh my god your're such an idiot.
Why's that? (Edit: You know what? I don't give a shit. If you're going to insult someone during a debate, your words mean shit to me.)

[Johnny_G]

Why's that?

Your last 2 comments provide all the necessary evidence.

[still_life]

Illegal pick? What is this, basketball? That's called a crossing route.

No it's not, Michaels and Madden even called it as a pick, and that's still illegal in the NFL.

[marrost]

Seriously, if he tripped and fell and then got up and scored a TD are you meaning to tell me that you wouldn't bitch that he was down by "contact" at that spot? --Think about it.I wouldn't bitch because I didn't have a team that I was pulling for, just offering the opposing side to all the "blown" calls.

[justinevans]

And what about the illegal pick play Seattle ran when Stevens actually caught a pass and it was for a TD?

It'd be one thing if the guy ran into Palawhatever, but he didn't ever touch him. Troy bit and was beat. Plays are meant to be designed that way. Did you ever play football?

[justinevans]

It would've been 4th down in the Super Bowl. At that point, any coach would take the 3.

not Cowher. he gambled alot in the playoffs. he knows how valuable a td is more than a FG.

[histrionics22]

- That is OPI on Jackson, and would be called every time, especially when it's right in front of a ref. You can't have contact on a pass, and he pushed right off.
- Roethlisberger's TD was close, and remember, he just has to break the plane of the endzone, whether that's on the ground or through the air. There was nothing conclusive to overturn it
- Holmgren had horrible clock management in this game
- What about the block in the back on Ben and the INT return? An obvious miss
- What about the helmet to helmet hit by Manuel on Ward's reverse?
- The holding call on Locklear was tacky, but I've seen worse
- The Hasselbeck penalty after his horrible INT was wrong
- Randle El threw a beautiful pass on a trick play, Parker broke a huge run, and Ben made a great play to hook up with Ward on 3rd and 28
- The Steelers won with big plays and executed when they had to, Seattle had their chances and blew it
- Porter made Stevens look pretty dumb with 4 drops tonight

1. Jackson did throw hope off momentum. It's clear he nudged him back just as he was about to accelerate. Look at it this way. Hope touches Jackson like that and intercepts the ball you KNOW that defensive pass interference will be called.

2. Its not a stretch to think that he did break the plain. The fact the ref called it 4 seconds after the fact sucked because it just makes it 100x harder to overturn. Let's face it; theres no way that call was going to be overturned, no matter which way the ref ruled on the field. There wasnt indisputable evidence either way. Break for the Steelers.

3. Horrible clock management by Seattle.

4. Stevens killed Seattle with the dropped passes.

5. The holding on Locklear. Here's another case of where if Haggans doesn't get close to sacking Hasslebeck its not called. The fact he was so close to having the play go for the Steelers instead of against them forced the ref to call it. It was close but they didn't call it a lot of times for both teams.

6. Randle El threw the best pass of the night. 40 yds on the run on the money.

[itsjdiggity]

a lot of people here hate the Steelers...get over it

[still_life]

The flag on Locklear's holding was thrown before the pass, so people that actually think they called holding just because of a big completion need to wise up on that one.

[justinevans]

on the Off P.I. Call... here is the rule

Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.

Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

on the holding call:

Note: Pass blocking: Hand(s) thrust forward that slip outside the body of the defender will be legal if blocker immediately worked to bring them back inside. Hand(s) or arm(s) that encircle a defender—i.e., hook an opponent—are to be considered illegal and officials are to call a foul for holding.

there was no "hooking".

[justinevans]

The flag on Locklear's holding was thrown before the pass, so people that actually think they called holding just because of a big completion need to wise up on that one.

no matter when it was thrown, if it were not a penalty, it should not have been thrown.

[histrionics22]

The flag on Locklear's holding was thrown before the pass, so people that actually think they called holding just because of a big completion need to wise up on that one.

Thats kinda what I meant. The fact that the hold was on the player who almost sacked hasselbeck only added to the reasoning for calling it. Seattle fans are just unhappy cause it negated a big play.

[justinevans]

i'm done for the night - goodnight guys.

[histrionics22]

on the Off P.I. Call... here is the rule

Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.

Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

on the holding call:

Note: Pass blocking: Hand(s) thrust forward that slip outside the body of the defender will be legal if blocker immediately worked to bring them back inside. Hand(s) or arm(s) that encircle a defender—i.e., hook an opponent—are to be considered illegal and officials are to call a foul for holding.

there was no "hooking".

Jackson interfered. He pushed off and it resulted in a touchdown. Pass Interference.

Wach the hold. He had him around the neck.

[justinevans]

Thats kinda what I meant. The fact that the hold was on the player who almost sacked hasselbeck only added to the reasoning for calling it. Seattle fans are just unhappy cause it negated a big play.

There was no grasping of the jersey or "hooking" of the guy though. It was form pass blocking.

in other news, my friend watched the game today with tom benson....his grandfather. he's not too keen on returning to new orleans.

[justinevans]

Jackson interfered. He pushed off and it resulted in a touchdown. Pass Interference.

Wach the hold. He had him around the neck.

well if Jackson interfered...every WR needs to go back to pee-wees again and be taught differently. If they can't make that call in the regular season...why in the super bowl? Leavy has always been a one-sided official. fuck, i remember a game way back when...niners-eagles. the eagles got a 1st down they brought out the chains and his crew actually moved the ball back 5 inches and the eagles then didn't get the first -- after they already spotted the fucking ball!

the officials were off the ball all season in both collegiate and the nfl. it sucks that has become more a business than a game. It is what makes a story. It was Bettis this and Bettis that.

Was there any talk about Larry Foote winning a super bowl in his home town? or any of the other plays from detroit and the surrounding areas?

[still_life]

They talked about Larry Foote on the local news here, but probably not on ESPN

[justinevans]

They talked about Larry Foote on the local news here, but probably not on ESPN

yeah oh well he got a ring, i'm sure he could careless that he wasn't put in the spotlight.

i could careless about who won, but i just hate ticky-tack calls that help decide an outcome. You can say Pittsburgh outplayed Seattle, but those calls would have changed the outcome. No interception for pitt...a TD for Seattle. Big Ben was either in or was going to be in. I don't want to even acknolwedge that call as much of an impact on the game.

[still_life]

The way I see it the game was decided by 11 points. The Steelers didn't escape with a 1 point victory or anything like that, it was 11 points. A team has to offer a lot more than "the refs screwed us" to make me believe why they lost a game by that much. They just didn't execute or call a lot of the right plays.

[justinevans]

the TD is 4 more points...the holding call is another 3-7 and the interception not occuring could have been well meant NO Randle EL td.

so it could have been 14-14, 21-14, or 17-14? This is the nfl not basketball. The holding call also pushed them back in field goal range. if they didn't score it could have been 14-6 @ half. Either way they took points off the board.

[justinevans]

the TD is 4 more points...the holding call is another 3-7 and the interception not occuring could have been well meant NO Randle EL td.

so it could have been 14-14, 21-14, or 17-14? This is the nfl not basketball. The holding call also pushed them back in field goal range. if they didn't score it could have been 14-6 @ half. Either way they took points off the board.

[LPMagic]

The way I see it the game was decided by 11 points. The Steelers didn't escape with a 1 point victory or anything like that, it was 11 points. A team has to offer a lot more than "the refs screwed us" to make me believe why they lost a game by that much. They just didn't execute or call a lot of the right plays.
A few of the calls being argued:

Roethlisberger Call = -4 Points
Jackson TD = +4 Points
Stevens Catch at 1 = +4 Points

There's a potential 12 point change right there, and that's not including all the calls being debated. I'm not trying to say any of us are wrong or right, like I said I'm not a Seahawks fan, I'm just saying that I don't buy saying that there should be no argument because it was an 11 point victory. Let's remember that a TD one way over the other is a 14 point swing.

[still_life]

And if Roethlisberger puts some more air in the ball to Wilson, it's 21-3 and the rout is on. You can't guarantee they would have scored without the holding call. I already marked down the Steelers for 3-7 points before Roethlisberger was picked. I don't think the calls or no calls won or lost the game. It came down to coaching and execution, and Seattle lost it there.

[LPMagic]

And if Roethlisberger puts some more air in the ball to Wilson, it's 21-3 and the rout is on. You can't guarantee they would have scored without the holding call. I already marked down the Steelers for 3-7 points before Roethlisberger was picked. I don't think the calls or no calls won or lost the game. It came down to coaching and execution, and Seattle lost it there.
Roethlisberger throwing a ball like a high school quarterback isn't the same as bad calls by the refs.

But I'm done with this, the Super Bowl is so February 5th and bed is calling.

[bigmike]

They talked about Larry Foote on the local news here, but probably not on ESPN
they talked about him here, too. but i'm from michigan so that's probably why. we have a tendacy to glue our mouths to the balls of local athletes (i.e. Derek Jeter and TJ Duckett).

[CROMagnon]

bad calls are gonna happen, and a team just has to learn to accept them and play through
seattle didn't seem to do that too well, period.

[bigmike]

bad calls are gonna happen, and a team just has to learn to accept them and play through
seattle didn't seem to do that too well, period.
I've always thought that a ref doesn't really determine the outcome of a game. just play a great game and don't leave it up to the officials.

[itsjdiggity]

Am I the only one who enjoyed this Super Bowl?

Are people just mad cause the Pats ain't in it?

[bigmike]

Am I the only one who enjoyed this Super Bowl?

Are people just mad cause the Pats ain't in it?
no. to be honest, most superbowls don't impress me. i don't know if it's the 2 weeks off before it, or college basketball getting to the better parts of its season, but i'm not usually too pumped for superbowls.

[still_life]

I can see how non-fans of Seattle and Pittsburgh could not like the game, but I still think the game was pretty good anyway. You had the longest run ever, the longest INT return ever, the league MVP, one of the league's best rush defenses, and some big momentum swings in what was a close game for a while.

[itsjdiggity]

And that Randle El play to Ward was fucking gorgeous.

[Scott Weber]

if seattle gets those calls, it's a different game. but it's all speculation, and the only thing concrete we have to go off of is the final score. Parker's run and the trick play were clear-cut touchdowns, and we have no idea what Seattle would have done. Did the refs blow it? Absolutely. Does it mean that determined the entire game? Nah. Still really, really sucks for Seattle though, and it's a painful win that I think was more determined by things out of Seattle's hands than in it. That being said, Seattle definitely had their chances, even after the penalties. It just made those chances a lot harder.

[bigmike]

And that Randle El play to Ward was fucking gorgeous.
I'm still confused how it looked like seattle was completely unaware that pittsburgh runs plays like that with randle el. great play call, poor defense of it.

[Scott Weber]

skip bayless agreeing with me? what is this world coming to?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060205

[justinevans]

A few of the calls being argued:

Roethlisberger Call = -4 Points
Jackson TD = +4 Points
Stevens Catch at 1 = +4 Points

There's a potential 12 point change right there, and that's not including all the calls being debated. I'm not trying to say any of us are wrong or right, like I said I'm not a Seahawks fan, I'm just saying that I don't buy saying that there should be no argument because it was an 11 point victory. Let's remember that a TD one way over the other is a 14 point swing.

they didn't score any points on the stevens catch...they missed a FG.

[justinevans]

I can see how non-fans of Seattle and Pittsburgh could not like the game, but I still think the game was pretty good anyway. You had the longest run ever, the longest INT return ever, the league MVP, one of the league's best rush defenses, and some big momentum swings in what was a close game for a while.

I think we've made it clear why.

[JunkBondTrader]

skip bayless agreeing with me? what is this world coming to?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060205

i love skip bayless, i think hes a genius commentator on cold pizza.....some of the points he makes are great and i think he is extremely witty. he has some great comebacks for woody paige (sp?) i think they are a great duo. love cold pizza.

[justinevans]

i love skip bayless, i think hes a genius commentator on cold pizza.....some of the points he makes are great and i think he is extremely witty. he has some great comebacks for woody paige (sp?) i think they are a great duo. love cold pizza.

skip bayless sucks. this is the first time he was ever right. all he does is bash people.

[Scott Weber]

skip bayless is an idiot who only tries to stir up shit and piss people off.

[Jesse2]

i love skip bayless, i think hes a genius commentator on cold pizza.....some of the points he makes are great and i think he is extremely witty. he has some great comebacks for woody paige (sp?) i think they are a great duo. love cold pizza.

dear god. skip bayless makes cold pizza unwatchable.

[LPMagic]

they didn't score any points on the stevens catch...they missed a FG.
Then that makes my point even further. -7 points.

[FondestMemory]

i love skip bayless, i think hes a genius commentator on cold pizza.....some of the points he makes are great and i think he is extremely witty. he has some great comebacks for woody paige (sp?) i think they are a great duo. love cold pizza.

is he your dad? or in any way related?

cause up til now i was pretty sure the only people who could stand skip bayless only did so cause they were obligated by family reasons.

[weezer182]

skip bayless is an idiot who only tries to stir up shit and piss people off.he does a good job at it

[justinevans]

Then that makes my point even further. -7 points.

actually i was wrong...it was the interception on the next play.

[Talib Scottie]

You can look at this straight up all you want, best case scenario results in a tie game (assuming Seattle would have gotten into the end zone on the hold call) but still it's hard to determine the path of the game. Pittsburgh and Seattle both would have reacted differently to the results but who's to say it would go in Seattle's favor? We'll never know. I just really really wish as one who didn't think this Super Bowl was a big deal that the game wouldn't have had two pivotal penalties like it did. I just thank god that the Hasslebeck fumble got reversed at least.

[Talib Scottie]

if seattle gets those calls, it's a different game. but it's all speculation, and the only thing concrete we have to go off of is the final score. Parker's run and the trick play were clear-cut touchdowns, and we have no idea what Seattle would have done. Did the refs blow it? Absolutely. Does it mean that determined the entire game? Nah. Still really, really sucks for Seattle though, and it's a painful win that I think was more determined by things out of Seattle's hands than in it. That being said, Seattle definitely had their chances, even after the penalties. It just made those chances a lot harder.
As always Weebs is a step ahead of me.

[still_life]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/R-D/proof.jpg

[itsjdiggity]

haha...there you go

[ActorInThisPlay]

yeah but was that where the ball was when his knee hit the ground or after it hit the ground? eh, the call was too inclusive to overturn it in my opinion but to me it didn't look like a TD.

[still_life]

yeah but was that where the ball was when his knee hit the ground or after it hit the ground? eh, the call was too inclusive to overturn it in my opinion but to me it didn't look like a TD.

You could see his legs still in the air, and the ball already broke the plane. TD.

[itsjdiggity]

Big Ben said on Letterman that he thinks he didn't break the plane. He was ready to go for it on 4th down.

[still_life]

Big Ben said on Letterman that he thinks he didn't break the plane. He was ready to go for it on 4th down.

I watched it. Another example of Ben needing to learn how to talk to media better, you don't say something like that. And I heard Cowher this morning said they were going for it on 4th anyway. It would have been about 4th and 5 centimeters.

[ActorInThisPlay]

You could see his legs still in the air, and the ball already broke the plane. TD.
ah I see it now...yeah looks like a TD then. still doesn't excuse the calls that went against the Seahawks though.

[still_life]

Meh, the only 100% horseshit call against them was Hasselbeck's block/tackle. Still wouldn't have changed the INT, plus I think that trick play would have been good from 70 yards out.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Meh, the only 100% horseshit call against them was Hasselbeck's block/tackle. Still wouldn't have changed the INT, plus I think that trick play would have been good from 70 yards out.
eh I don't know if they would have still called it from 70 yards out...

[Scott Weber]

eh I don't know if they would have still called it from 70 yards out...
Yeah, they wouldn't have ran it from that deep. That penalty was just disasterous for the Hawks.

[dai the flu]

i love how once the evidence is shown, all the arguing stops. the pic above showing the ball crossing the plane, the holding video in the other thread which shows, what do you know, some actual holding, and now...."oh there was a horsecollar! damn refs."
just give it up. were they close calls? yes. and since your team lost you'll always feel slighted, but that doesnt make them bad calls. just close calls.

this is exactly why i made that other thread before the game, agreeing not to make excuses if your team loses. and not one seahawks fan agreed to it.
i guess being the "12th man" extends to after the game as well.

[lostntheseethru]

I watched it. Another example of Ben needing to learn how to talk to media better, you don't say something like that. And I heard Cowher this morning said they were going for it on 4th anyway. It would have been about 4th and 5 centimeters.
what was ben supposed to say??? who cares. he said what he thought. and he also said on letterman it wouldnt have mattered cuz they would have ran the play again and he would have gotten it in. so who cares if he thinks the ball didnt make it. it didnt make or break the game...the steelers still would have outscored the seahawks...and in the end thats what matters.

[still_life]

what was ben supposed to say??? who cares. he said what he thought. and he also said on letterman it wouldnt have mattered cuz they would have ran the play again and he would have gotten it in. so who cares if he thinks the ball didnt make it. it didnt make or break the game...the steelers still would have outscored the seahawks...and in the end thats what matters.

You just don't say those things, it'll only fuel the people that didn't like the refs in the game. Ben should take a lesson from Franco and Frency on how they've handled the Immaculate Reception all these years.