Student Organizes Facebook Group to Rally for the Death Penalty of a Local Murderer

[speakhandsforme]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=90006785282

"Prosecutors say Randulich stabbed his half-sister to death and then called 911. "

Let's here everyone's opinions on this. I just posted, speaking of the fact that any kind of rally would be in vain as there is no way that an 18-year old with no prior offenses or reports of violent behavior and who has been noted to have had mental issues is getting the death penalty (which isn't even currently instituted in Illinois). However, there is some large local support for the movement and I think it's worth discussion.

Some quotes by the group's creator:

Basically, I don't want my tax dollars keeping keith, or others like him alive and healty in jails. I'd rather have them gotten rid of, along with all of these appeals, and this whole humain euthinization crap. I say convict, then take them out back and put a bullet in their head. Keep it simple, forget the $500 or however much the chemical is to kill someone, a bullet is only $0.05. save money, and save lives

I don't take kindly to men who act like a little girl. I say man up and get a job before you have any room for an opinion.

I want you all to think about this. If you have a rabid or mentally ill dog, what do you do. And what separates a human from an animal is the ability to think and differentiate right from wrong. He obviously cannot do that, therefore he is an animal and should be treated as such. As for argument on this page, This page is for those who share the same belief, if you have an argument, take it up with me.


If only god can judge him, then send him to god.
In my opinion, anyone who harms a child in a manner that is not discipline, deserves to swing from a tree.

Quit trying to sypathize with criminals, THEY NEED TO BE SHOT.



Have at it.

[Machu505]

I'm opposed to the death penalty. :shrug:

[GuitarR0cker1]

I'm opposed to the death penalty. :shrug:
Exactly what I was about to say.

[J.C.]

"We kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong."

[Machu505]

Yeah kill em all, that'll show em. He'll sure regret killing that girl after he's excecuted. Oh wait.

He's dead. He can't regret anything.

[Duexy]

shitty shit.

[Samc1803]

Kill him. Sure, he won't learn a lesson when he's dead. But with a murder on his hands, he's pretty much useless to society either way. Get rid of him, make room for the next one.

[paper halo]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=90006785282

"Prosecutors say Randulich stabbed his half-sister to death and then called 911. "

Let's here everyone's opinions on this. I just posted, speaking of the fact that any kind of rally would be in vain as there is no way that an 18-year old with no prior offenses or reports of violent behavior and who has been noted to have had mental issues is getting the death penalty (which isn't even currently instituted in Illinois). However, there is some large local support for the movement and I think it's worth discussion.

Some quotes by the group's creator:

Basically, I don't want my tax dollars keeping keith, or others like him alive and healty in jails. I'd rather have them gotten rid of, along with all of these appeals, and this whole humain euthinization crap. I say convict, then take them out back and put a bullet in their head. Keep it simple, forget the $500 or however much the chemical is to kill someone, a bullet is only $0.05. save money, and save lives

"But I don't mind my tax dollars funding the lengthy appeals process and massive amount of time the inmate will inevitably spend on death row."

[Praetor]

THIS WILL FIX EVERYTHING

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[Jake Denning]

THIS WILL FIX EVERYTHING

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you dont need the x anymore man.

[Praetor]

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edit: fuck you and your misinformation

[derekmoyer4]

Kill him. Sure, he won't learn a lesson when he's dead. But with a murder on his hands, he's pretty much useless to society either way. Get rid of him, make room for the next one.
i understand your point. but it typically costs more to execute someone than to have them in prison for the rest of their lives.

[Smeee]

I'm entirely against the death penalty, for the reasons already stated in this thread.

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edit: fuck you and your misinformation

Hahahaha.

[Praetor]

I don't take kindly to men who act like a little girl. I say man up and get a job before you have any room for an opinion.

I think it's very telling that this is why the group's creator wants him dead. Not because, you know, he killed somebody.

[Samc1803]

i understand your point. but it typically costs more to execute someone than to have them in prison for the rest of their lives.

Yeah, there's no doubt that it's a flawed system. But from a practicality standpoint, a killer has no place left in society, so it would be better to just rid ourselves of him. But no, nothing can be that simple (or cheap) when bureaucracy has a say.

[derekmoyer4]

Yeah, there's no doubt that it's a flawed system. But from a practicality standpoint, a killer has no place left in society, so it would be better to just rid ourselves of him. But no, nothing can be that simple (or cheap) when bureaucracy has a say.
very true. it really is a difficulty (and probably impossible) dilemma to solve.

[Praetor]

There are a lot of issues that I'm very passionate about. There are a lot of things that I'm outspoken on. And I can respect differences of opinions on most of them. However, there are two stances I will never respect: opposition to gay marriage and support of the death penalty.

[Jefferson Rank]

Hate is bad, folks.

[Machu505]

I would love to meet the group's founder, whoever he or she may be. This "take em out back and put a bullet in their head" talk is fucking disgusting and reeks of some Third-World dictatorship.

And I'm pretty sure a bunch of genes and thousands of years of evolution are what separates man from dogs, not the ability to tell right from wrong.

[Susanna]

This is honestly very disturbing to me. What the man did was obviously henous and inexcusable but this response to it is also terrible. To call for the death of a man is something that should never occur. The death penalty is, imo, inhumane and from a justice standpoint, an ineffective deterent. His response seems barbaric. It is no ones place to decide who lives or dies regardless of what the person has done. Life in prison is sufficient in my book.

[Machu505]

This is honestly very disturbing to me. What the man did was obviously henous and inexcusable but this response to it is also terrible. To call for the death of a man is something that should never occur. The death penalty is, imo, inhumane and from a justice standpoint, an ineffective deterent. His response seems barbaric. It is no ones place to decide who lives or dies regardless of what the person has done. Life in prison is sufficient in my book.
This is something no one seems to understand. For example: My state, West Virginia, does not have the death penalty yet we also have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.

[Adeniz19]

I'll just say this about the death penalty- there are some circumstances where I think it is absolutely warranted. Especially in cases where the defendant is unrepentant and shows absolutely no remorse for what they have done. I agree that our system is flawed, and the death penalty probably costs us more than it is actually worth, but just from an ethical standpoint, if someone is convicted of raping and murdering multiple children, without a reason of a doubt, then i think they deserve everything that's coming to them.

[Susanna]

This is something no one seems to understand. For example: My state, West Virginia, does not have the death penalty yet we also have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.
Agreed. I really don't see the validity behind arguing that is does in fact lower the crime rate and essentially serves as a fear tactic for criminals. To propose that a murderer is going to suddenly decide to not kill as a direct result of the death penalty is absurd. Compare our countries murder rate to those of other nations that do not have the death penalty and show me how well its working out for us.

[speakhandsforme]

I would love to meet the group's founder, whoever he or she may be. This "take em out back and put a bullet in their head" talk is fucking disgusting and reeks of some Third-World dictatorship.

And I'm pretty sure a bunch of genes and thousands of years of evolution are what separates man from dogs, not the ability to tell right from wrong.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1051/buddyhollyr.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/buddyhollyr.jpg/)

[Machu505]

He's got that neo-Nazi look on his face.

[SLOWPOKE LOPEZ]

i dont care whether its an ineffective deterrent. i dont support the death penalty because i think it strikes fear in anyone, i support the death penalty because some people simply dont deserve to live. i couldnt care less about making someone feel remorse. some criminals just do not deserve compassion, and this idea of taking the high road and that everyone's entitled to some amount of compassion from society is sickening to me. when someone commits horrible acts, they forfeit their right to exist. and there's no benefit whatsoever to keeping them alive.

[J.C.]

Kill him. Sure, he won't learn a lesson when he's dead. But with a murder on his hands, he's pretty much useless to society either way. Get rid of him, make room for the next one.

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark: Pro-life?

[J.C.]

i dont care whether its an ineffective deterrent. i dont support the death penalty because i think it strikes fear in anyone, i support the death penalty because some people simply dont deserve to live. i couldnt care less about making someone feel remorse. some criminals just do not deserve compassion, and this idea of taking the high road and that everyone's entitled to some amount of compassion from society is sickening to me. when someone commits horrible acts, they forfeit their right to exist. and there's no benefit whatsoever to keeping them alive.

Are you willing to support it at the risk of someone innocent being put to death?

[Adeniz19]

Are you willing to support it at the risk of someone innocent being put to death?
I don't think an innocent person would want to spend multiple life sentences in prison either haha

[Machu505]

Bill Richardson can make the "someone who's innocent could end up dead" point better than I can:

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[speakhandsforme]

When someone committs horrible acts they forfeit the right to exist? Seriously?

Sticking true to moral and secular codes is completely detached from the human condition: it's acquired. Choosing not to breathe forfeits the right to exist: murder forfeits the right to function within a civilized environment.

I don't oppose the death penalty because of compassion and, similarly, I don't support gay rights because of compassion (or any of that hippie love shit). I hold fast to my beliefs because of my investment in individual rights and my opposition to society's infringement upon them. Society and law consider a citizen's own suicide to be criminal and morally wrong....but sees no problem in executing those who want to live.

Plus, Illinois suspended the death penalty for several reasons. One of which was that we found out we had executed several innocent people.

[SLOWPOKE LOPEZ]

When someone committs horrible acts they forfeit the right to exist? Seriously?

yes, seriously.
and ill just agree to disagree now.
to me, individual rights are granted when you show yourself deserving, you arent entitled to them simply because you exist. rejecting moral and secular codes puts you outside of those moral and secular codes. they no longer apply to you the criminal. is it barbaric and uncivilized? maybe to some. thats all subjective.
and obviously i wouldnt do this with the possibility of innocence.

[speakhandsforme]

Where to be draw the line of "possiblity of innocence?" So the only people that deserve the penalty are those who both confess fully and whose guilt can be proven beyond reasonable doubt?

Ok, if those who confess are getting offed, that negates the entire rewards system for taking bargains and confessing....now the taxpayers' dollars wills suffer because all homicide charges will be taken out into lengthy and expensive trials since no defendent is going to confess.

[J.C.]

I don't think an innocent person would want to spend multiple life sentences in prison either haha

That's an inherent risk of having our justice system, but it's one we live with because it's been deemed necessary for the sake of us maintaining a civilized society. The death penalty isn't a necessity. It just typifies our wrong-headed thirst for blood. And I'm not immune to that personally. We're all vengeful and imperfect people. I feel no sympathy for someone put to death who was no doubt responsible for the act that put them in that position. And there've been cases where people have certainly 'deserved' to die. But our laws should reflect a more high-mindedness than our emotions do. Ultimately, I'm not comfortable with the eye-for-an-eye approach to justice, but most importantly, I'm not comfortable risking the potential execution of an innocent just to see the execution of someone truly guilty.

[Susanna]

i dont care whether its an ineffective deterrent. i dont support the death penalty because i think it strikes fear in anyone, i support the death penalty because some people simply dont deserve to live. i couldnt care less about making someone feel remorse. some criminals just do not deserve compassion, and this idea of taking the high road and that everyone's entitled to some amount of compassion from society is sickening to me. when someone commits horrible acts, they forfeit their right to exist. and there's no benefit whatsoever to keeping them alive.
Really? No one has the right to choose whether someone lives or dies. Just because it's a group decision backed by laws doesn't change the fact that it is murder. You (general) are making the conscious decision to end ones life based on evidence and testimony, both of which have a likelihood of being misconstrued or falsified. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right.

Regarding your last sentence: that has to be one of the most insensitive, capitalistic-based arguments I have heard for the death penalty. If a person cannot effectively contribute to the society, it is our right to exterminate them? People live solely to serve us and when they cannot they are to be killed? Come on. I think I somewhat understand what you're getting at but your logic behind the argument is still lost on me.

[J.C.]

Really? No one has the right to choose whether someone lives or dies. Just because it's a group decision backed by laws doesn't change the fact that it is murder. You (general) are making the conscious decision to end ones life based on evidence and testimony, both of which have a likelihood of being misconstrued or falsified. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right.

Regarding your last sentence: that has to be one of the most insensitive, capitalistic-based arguments I have heard for the death penalty. If a person cannot effectively contribute to the society, it is our right to exterminate them? People live solely to serve us and when they cannot they are to be killed? Come on. I think I somewhat understand what you're getting at but your logic behind the argument is still lost on me.

post in politics more often plz

[Adeniz19]

That's an inherent risk of having our justice system, but it's one we live with because it's been deemed necessary for the sake of us maintaining a civilized society. The death penalty isn't a necessity. It just typifies our wrong-headed thirst for blood. And I'm not immune to that personally. We're all vengeful and imperfect people. I feel no sympathy for someone put to death who was no doubt responsible for the act that put them in that position. And there've been cases where people have certainly 'deserved' to die. But our laws should reflect a more high-mindedness than our emotions do. Ultimately, I'm not comfortable with the eye-for-an-eye approach to justice, but most importantly, I'm not comfortable risking the potential execution of an innocent just to see the execution of someone truly guilty.I definitely don't disagree with you. I think the most important thing about our justice system is just to make sure these people are not apart of our society and can inflect no more further damage. If life imprisonment if more practical and cost effective than the death penalty then I have no problem with abolishing it. But if someone were to ask me if I thought the death penalty was wrong on ethical/moral grounds I would say no, assuming the person is actually guilty of the crime he is accused of committing, of course.

[Susanna]

post in politics more often plz
Haha, I just might. I like it in here minus some of the idiots.

[Machu505]

Haha, I just might. I like it in here minus some of the idiots.
Don't worry, they usually only come out around elections.

[Susanna]

Don't worry, they usually only come out around elections.
And in the god thread?

[Machu505]

And in the god thread?
I rarely go in there anyway haha. It's not a debate that really interests me.

[saysmydoctor]

Killing a murderer? THE REAL CRIME IS SMOKING THE GANJA

[SLOWPOKE LOPEZ]

Really? No one has the right to choose whether someone lives or dies. Just because it's a group decision backed by laws doesn't change the fact that it is murder. You (general) are making the conscious decision to end ones life based on evidence and testimony, both of which have a likelihood of being misconstrued or falsified. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right.

Regarding your last sentence: that has to be one of the most insensitive, capitalistic-based arguments I have heard for the death penalty. If a person cannot effectively contribute to the society, it is our right to exterminate them? People live solely to serve us and when they cannot they are to be killed? Come on. I think I somewhat understand what you're getting at but your logic behind the argument is still lost on me.
well you've effectively misconstrued pretty much everything i've written.
i dont feel that sympathizing with psychopaths is beneficial, but somehow my advocacy of the death penalty in certain situations has been interpreted as simply 'killing off social misfits'. there's a difference between 'not effectively contributing to society' and being a cancer that needs removed.
maybe in the context of this thread you've thought i mean all murderers, but thats not the case. im talking the pol pots of the world. the jeffrey dahmers, the mindless sadistic torture machines that some people will defend with every last breath in some misguided attempt at taking the moral high road.
im not completely disagreeing with you, in fact i agree with you a lot, im just urging reasonableness and an acceptance of the fact that some people just simply need removed from the world, for the safety of the world.

[saysmydoctor]

Death row inmates are the most expensive inmates, the ultimate irony here.

[bladerdude360]

Where in Illinois is this?

[bladerdude360]

Also, I really don't think a Facebook group will change anything in terms of his sentencing.

[Josh Weinstein]

"But I don't mind my tax dollars funding the lengthy appeals process and massive amount of time the inmate will inevitably spend on death row."

Yea, in most cases, it costs more money to sentence a person to death than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. That facebook creator sure did his research when defending the death penalty.

[TotalCollapse]

I'm opposed to the death penalty. :shrug:
What I came in here to say.

[jwicklun]

this kid is very hypocritical. since when does he have the right to choose who gets to die. and for that matter. what seperates him from the murderer? He wants someone to die, enough to make a group out of it!

[thespearkid]

No death penalty. Ever. For anyone.

[Machu505]

this kid is very hypocritical. since when does he have the right to choose who gets to die. and for that matter. what seperates him from the murderer? He wants someone to die, enough to make a group out of it!
He is the Norse god, duh.

I wish conspiracy to murder was applicable for this.

[Brand-new-123]

How many of you are anti Capital punishment but pro choice? I'm personally against both the death penalty and abortion.

[speakhandsforme]

Where in Illinois is this?

Relatively close to southside Chicago, I believe.

[Kozzy333]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=89566111931

Similar concept, but this time a little girl was murdered, raped too i think. It's a horrendous thing that happened but the people in that group don't understand reason/logic. You'll get some good laughs at people wanting the death penalty back in Canada.

[open mind]

killing is so bad we should kill people who do it to show how bad it is.

[paper halo]

How many of you are anti Capital punishment but pro choice? I'm personally against both the death penalty and abortion.

Because the two are totally comparable.

[Praetor]

How many of you are anti Capital punishment but pro choice? I'm personally against both the death penalty and abortion.
lollllll @ this.

[SLOWPOKE LOPEZ]

Because the two are totally comparable.

lollllll @ this.

yeah, because only pro-lifers would try and make that connection. :rolleyes:

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark: Pro-life?

[Praetor]

yeah, because only pro-lifers would try and make that connection. :rolleyes:
I don't care who it is making the connection, it's still a ridiculous connection to make.

[fightinirish217]

How many of you are anti Capital punishment but pro choice? I'm personally against both the death penalty and abortion.

Same here. We don't have the right to take anyone's life. I say that hesitantly b/c I wasn't opposed to someone like Saddam Hussein being executed. That was just out of hate for the man I guess.

No to death penalty, no to abortion.

[paper halo]

I don't care who it is making the connection, it's still a ridiculous connection to make.

This.

[thespearkid]

How many of you are anti Capital punishment but pro choice? I'm personally against both the death penalty and abortion.
Two totally different things. One is the personal decision of a woman. Another is state sponsored executions.

[Brand-new-123]

Two totally different things. One is the personal decision of a woman. Another is state sponsored executions.
Except that tax dollars go to both of them and the being whose life is being destroyed has no choice in the matter.

[Praetor]

Except that tax dollars go to both of them and the being whose life is being destroyed has no choice in the matter.
1. You're wrong.
2. Don't turn this into an abortion debate. If you would like to debate abortion then do so in this thread (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1088952) where people will prove to you that you are wrong.

[J.C.]

yeah, because only pro-lifers would try and make that connection. :rolleyes:

I wasn't making a connection between the two issues morally/logically, I was mocking the tone he took when talking about life.

[speakhandsforme]

Same here. We don't have the right to take anyone's life. I say that hesitantly b/c I wasn't opposed to someone like Saddam Hussein being executed. That was just out of hate for the man I guess.

No to death penalty, no to abortion.

Yeah, that is a somewhat different story, though, as it is a means to an end: a political symbol of progression. Hussein wasn't only executed for being an unrepetent mass murderer, he was executed to mark the initiation of a new era.