Nintendo once again leads the way with innovation: cheat mode

[ACA]

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/0514228/New-Super-Mario-Bros-Wii-To-Include-Official-Cheat?art_pos=4

Interesting for sure. Essentially if you turn on cheat mode on the fly then it will walk you through the game (until you turn it off).

I love the idea.. it cuts out the middle step of hitting up GameFAQs.com.

Of course I won't sit there and let it beat games for me, but for a (once hardcore) casual gamer like myself, this is awesome. When I was 7 years old, I didn't mind dying for five hours and trying to find that missing key. I had all the time in the world, and it was fun. I'm now 23, and if a game is holding me up for more than 20 minutes then I'm going to a guide and moving on.

There's so many awesome games out there, I want to experience as many as possible.. and a feature like this would be super beneficial to that end.

Props, Nintendo.

-ACA

[williek311]

Wow I think that sounds like an awful fucking idea. A challenge in a game is the best part unless you're deadkidsean'ing your controllers.

[chokeychicken]

this sounds fucking awful. why play the game in the first place?

[chokeychicken]

also, you are the worst poster on this website.

[williek311]

Don't dis-credit Die Hard like that.

[narcoleptic953]

I don't think that's a bad idea at all. It's no different than going and looking at the game guide, like he said. I don't play games much anymore, but I remember always thinking it was a waste of money if I couldn't play a whole game. Maybe I just suck at video games though...

[ACA]

I don't think that's a bad idea at all. It's no different than going and looking at the game guide, like he said. I don't play games much anymore, but I remember always thinking it was a waste of money if I couldn't play a whole game. Maybe I just suck at video games though...

I don't play much anymore.

I played A Link to the Past for GBA though on my ride to Bonnaroo and got completely stuck. My battery was dying, and I didn't want to waste an hour backtracking through the towns to find out what I missed. I put the game down.

If "cheat mode" were available then, I could've found out what I was missing and gone on with the game. I don't want to spend an hour wandering aimlessly.

Sounds great to me.

-ACA

[SanePsychotic]

It's great for casual gamers, but hardcore gamers will not like this in the slightest. I personally don't care because I don't think I would use it at all.

[ACA]

It's great for casual gamers, but hardcore gamers will not like this in the slightest. I personally don't care because I don't think I would use it at all.

That's the beauty. No one is forcing you to use it.. it's like no one is forcing you to play on "Can I Play Daddy?" or "Super Easy" modes :)

[Kif]

I think it's a great idea. If casual gamers need some help and don't know about sites like GameFAQs then this is a perfect solution. By the way if you ever need me to watch a movie for you, or test your iPhone apps or fuck your girlfriend, I'll be more than happy to help.

[starseed]

I don't see why people would care. People aren't being forced to use it, it's just an option available. If you want the satisfaction of beating it on your own, you can still have that. And otherwise if you've played a part fifty times and are getting sick of it and want to move on and see the rest of the game, it's a great way to bypass your frustration and just fucking get on with it already. I think that's awesome. That way everyone has an opportunity to enjoy the game in their own way.

I'm sure there are people who will bitch just to bitch, because they can't possibly see how people can enjoy a game without challenging themselves to death and will proclaim them not real gamers. I know the idiots on the GameSpot forums will harass a person looking for a cheat code before they lift a finger to help. Personally, I have beaten many games without cheats and I have also beaten several games with cheats. I am in gaming for the experience, not for the challenge, and if I feel like I'm at the point where I could either cheat to see the rest of the game or give up on it, I'm going to cheat. I'm not going to brag to people, of course, but I can at least say I reached the end and saw the wonderful world the developers had to offer.

Just for clarification though, this is in regards to single-player games. I don't condone cheating in multiplayer games, obviously, because there the whole point is certainly to demonstrate skill. Cheating there is just stupid and ruining the fun for everyone else, and also proves nothing on your part except that you are a dick.

[glassj4w87]

everybody here if you haven't go pick up the new ghostbusters game it's sew good

[brentkid]

The point of a video game is actually play the fucking thing.

[WakingTheMisery]

It works for Nintendo because they don't have an achievement system.

[glassj4w87]

The point of a video game is actually play the fucking thing.
it's not like this 'option' is mandatory. You can turn it on or off. therefore you can play the game any way you like. this would have been helpful zelda on wii. game took me 3 days to get past the first 10 minutes

[brentkid]

it's not like this 'option' is mandatory. You can turn it on or off. therefore you can play the game any way you like. this would have been helpful zelda on wii. game took me 3 days to get past the first 10 minutes
So look at a guide or figure it out yourself. People are so fucking lazy now. The casual gamer is destroying Nintendo.

[last light]

it's not like this 'option' is mandatory. You can turn it on or off. therefore you can play the game any way you like. this would have been helpful zelda on wii. game took me 3 days to get past the first 10 minutes

If that's true you must be utterly horrendous.

Are there even games on the wii that will ever require this? All the games are dumbed down to near retarded levels anyway.

[Adeniz19]

i guess this is ok, but i don't see what's innovative about it... there have been things to turn on cheat options since back to the NES days (game genie)

[glassj4w87]

So look at a guide or figure it out yourself. People are so fucking lazy now. The casual gamer is destroying Nintendo.
putting this feature in the game saves money + paper that would be used to make 87465 guides. smart business in my opinion. they save money and the environment. 2 birds 1 stone.

[Kif]

If that's true you must be utterly horrendous.

Are there even games on the wii that will ever require this? All the games are dumbed down to near retarded levels anyway.
I was thinking that. We know this is going to be used in first-party games, and if you get stuck on New Super Fucking Mario Bros then you probably shouldn't be playing games in the first place. All you have to do is go right. How can this game possibly need a demo mode.

[glassj4w87]

If that's true you must be utterly horrendous.

Are there even games on the wii that will ever require this? All the games are dumbed down to near retarded levels anyway.
honestly, ever play twilight pricess for wii? and your gunna tell me that right away you figured out you had to get the sling shot by catching the kids cat, than using that sling shot , shoot a bird 500 miles in the distance? im calling bullshit.

[brentkid]

putting this feature in the game saves money + paper that would be used to make 87465 guides. smart business in my opinion. they save money and the environment. 2 birds 1 stone.
Most companies don't put out their own game guides and if they do they clearly make bank. How you can insist any company loses money by selling as simple of a product to produce as a guide is beyond me.

and gamefaqs.com is free so use that if you think you're saving the environment by not purchasing guides.

A huge part of playing video games is meant to have the sense of accomplishment that you actually completed something on your own.

[glassj4w87]

I was thinking that. We know this is going to be used in first-party games, and if you get stuck on New Super Fucking Mario Bros then you probably shouldn't be playing games in the first place. All you have to do is go right. How can this game possibly need a demo mode.
play paper mario, beat the whole thing in under a yr on wii. games not easy. just bc wii is kid friendly doesn't mean the games are made for idiots.

[oncedarkness]

I don't think it's a bad idea because of the fact that it's only an option, but I can see that Nintendo is giving the naysayers more fuel to the argument that that they are becoming a (largely) casual gaming company. I would be hard pressed to see Microsoft implementing this feature in the games it develops even if they thought of the idea in the first place.

[last light]

honestly, ever play twilight pricess for wii? and your gunna tell me that right away you figured out you had to get the sling shot by catching the kids cat, than using that sling shot , shoot a bird 500 miles in the distance? im calling bullshit.

I got a Wii at launch w/ Twilight Princess. It took me about 5 minutes to get through that part.

[glassj4w87]

Most companies don't put out their own game guides and if they do they clearly make bank. How you can insist any company loses money by selling as simple of a product to produce as a guide is beyond me.

and gamefaqs.com is free so use that if you think you're saving the environment by not purchasing guides.

A huge part of playing video games is meant to have the sense of accomplishment that you actually completed something on your own.
well if nintendo doesn't put out their guides then they are smart for crushing the company that does, by adding that feature. but im sure these guide companies are overall owned by sega, sony, or nintendo

[glassj4w87]

I got a Wii at launch w/ Twilight Princess. It took me about 5 minutes to get through that part.
just don't believe it.

[last light]

just don't believe it.

Ya, everyone must be as terrible as you at games.

[brentkid]

well if nintendo doesn't put out their guides then they are smart for crushing the company that does, by adding that feature. but im sure these guide companies are overall owned by sega, sony, or nintendo
BradyGames and Prima are not owned by any gaming companies.

[williek311]

Ya, everyone must be as terrible as you at games.
Clearly. Couldn't get past the first mission in Left 4 Dead without a guide.

[glassj4w87]

Ya, everyone must be as terrible as you at games.
i didn't say that, but to figure that out in 5 minutes is pretty impressive. well not really. i wouldn't be to impressed on your 5 minute zelda skills. guess im just some n00b, suX0r my C0xor

[WakingTheMisery]

play paper mario, beat the whole thing in under a yr on wii. games not easy. just bc wii is kid friendly doesn't mean the games are made for idiots.

I beat that game in two days. I even finished the pit of 100 trials or whatever. Both of them.

[brentkid]

i didn't say that, but to figure that out in 5 minutes is pretty impressive. well not really. i wouldn't be to impressed on your 5 minute zelda skills. guess im just some n00b, suX0r my C0xor
Judging by what you've said in this thread you're probably just absolutely fucking horrendous at video games.

[glassj4w87]

I beat that game in two days. I even finished the pit of 100 trials or whatever. Both of them.
do you guys do nothing else but sit in front of the screen and play these games as soon as you get them. 2 days? your full of shit. did you not sleep?

[glassj4w87]

Judging by what you've said in this thread you're probably just absolutely fucking horrendous at video games.
play me in a game of blades of steel and you will be eating those words, ***00t.

[WakingTheMisery]

do you guys do nothing else but sit in front of the screen and play these games as soon as you get them. 2 days? your full of shit. did you not sleep?

I slept and went to class. It just wasn't that hard. Hell, I even ate too.

[glassj4w87]

I slept and went to class. It just wasn't that hard. Hell, I even ate too.
difficulty setting?

[KillyourIdols88]

All I can say is I wish I had this for FFVII(never used a game guide).

I still haven't beatin it but I also haven't pick this game up in about 7 years now. Ill beat it one day.

[deezee]

Nintendo needs to make a new Zelda already, this cheat is cool don't get my wrong. This is kinda like no fail mode on guitar hero, it's great from my girlfriend because she's not a gamer.

[brentkid]

play me in a game of blades of steel and you will be eating those words, ***00t.
Not certain of any insults with two O's in them.

[glassj4w87]

what I don't get is why people are pist about this. it's like every other cheat. you turn it on or off. just never turn it on and there is no problem

[leifstar]

Pretty cool idea. Although I usually like to try things on my own.

[WakingTheMisery]

difficulty setting?

Generally I always start off at the most difficult one. I don't remember though. I actually don't even remember this game having difficulties.

[glassj4w87]

Not certain of any insults with two O's in them.
yea bc your a N00b who Sux0r C0cks and doesn't know any gaming lingo godddddddddddddddddd. Fa.g00t

[glassj4w87]

Generally I always start off at the most difficult one. I don't remember though. I actually don't even remember this game having difficulties.
well id tell you to go get ghostbusters but youll prob beat it in 7 hours and 42 minutes so it won't be to fun for you. so imma suggest the new tiger for wii, its very very good

[WakingTheMisery]

I beat it already.

[brentkid]

yea bc your a N00b who Sux0r C0cks and doesn't know any gaming lingo godddddddddddddddddd. Fa.g00t
That's called spelling like a fucking moron. Pronunciation is clearly something you struggle with.

[glassj4w87]

That's called spelling like a fucking moron. Pronunciation is clearly something you struggle with.
You are correct, although I don't type aloud so I don't pronunciate words as i type. I'm not one for out loud typing. weird.

[glassj4w87]

I beat it already.
ghostbusters or tiger? bc tiger never ends. and i bet you already beat lego batman wth every character and collected everything on every level. am i right?

[WakingTheMisery]

I just did that with Star Wars yesterday. I don't buy games any more. I don't have Tiger, GB, or Batman.

[Throwback]

I don't play much anymore.

I played A Link to the Past for GBA though on my ride to Bonnaroo and got completely stuck. My battery was dying, and I didn't want to waste an hour backtracking through the towns to find out what I missed. I put the game down.

If "cheat mode" were available then, I could've found out what I was missing and gone on with the game. I don't want to spend an hour wandering aimlessly.

Sounds great to me.

-ACA
Psh, I can beat Link to the Past completely shit-faced drunk and with my eyes closed at this point.

[deezee]

If that's true you must be utterly horrendous.

Are there even games on the wii that will ever require this? All the games are dumbed down to near retarded levels anyway.

It's a few hard games on the Wii but your right most of it is shovelware. My Wii has become a paper weight, I just play my ps3 and 360.

[glassj4w87]

I just did that with Star Wars yesterday. I don't buy games any more. I don't have Tiger, GB, or Batman.
if you buy one game, get tiger with motion plus, it's amazing. if you got a ps3, the graphics are insane for tiger. I just like swinging my controller like a club which is why i opt for wii

[deezee]

My most anticipated Nintendo game is Golden Sun Ds, I've been waiting 5 years for that game.

[glassj4w87]

It's a few hard games on the Wii but your right most of it is shovelware. My Wii has become a paper weight, I just play my ps3 and 360.
im going to go ahead and say you didn't get punch out for wii, get it, your wii will get plenty of use

[starseed]

I was thinking that. We know this is going to be used in first-party games, and if you get stuck on New Super Fucking Mario Bros then you probably shouldn't be playing games in the first place. All you have to do is go right. How can this game possibly need a demo mode.

You know, kids play video games too. And kids might need some help. Little 7-year old Johnny might not have the mad skillz that you do, but he wants to have fun too enjoying the game. Video games are not always about competition for everyone, or bragging rights.


A huge part of playing video games is meant to have the sense of accomplishment that you actually completed something on your own.

And for some people, that's simply not that important. For some people, playing a video game can be the equivalent of sitting down with a good book. I don't feel especially proud for getting through a new Discworld novel, but I enjoyed the time I spent with it. Same thing with video games, especially if you are an adventure or RPG fan. Sometimes you just want to enjoy the experience, not necessarily the satisfaction of challenge. Everyone has different motives for playing a game.

I don't see why people are pissed. You don't have to use it. In fact, if anything this actually opens up the doors for games to get harder because if a section is too hard for someone, all they have to do is turn on the demo mode and they get past it. Difficulty levels were made in order to keep casual gamers in mind. Having a cheat mode negates the purpose of having a lower difficulty level. Therefore, having a built-in cheat system allows for games to offer more difficult challenges.

[deezee]

im going to go ahead and say you didn't get punch out for wii, get it, your wii will get plenty of use

No I didn't my friend said it can get difficult at times, like really insane lol

[last light]

It's a few hard games on the Wii but your right most of it is shovelware. My Wii has become a paper weight, I just play my ps3 and 360.

Pretty much. Punch Out!!! is pretty good, although it's exactly the same as all the other version (not really a bad thing).

[glassj4w87]

Pretty much. Punch Out!!! is pretty good, although it's exactly the same as all the other version (not really a bad thing).
it is like the exact same thing. I like what they did with the title defense round, making every fighter different from the previous time you fought him. Also the challeneges are some of the hardest things to figure out

[deezee]

Pretty much. Punch Out!!! is pretty good, although it's exactly the same as all the other version (not really a bad thing).

Yeah I might have to gamefly that, I like challenging games but not crazy hard games. Like throw your controller into the wall hard.

[glassj4w87]

Yeah I might have to gamefly that, I like challenging games but not crazy hard games. Like throw your controller into the wall hard.
lost a wii remote to punch out, be careful

[brentkid]

You know, kids play video games too. And kids might need some help. Little 7-year old Johnny might not have the mad skillz that you do, but he wants to have fun too enjoying the game. Video games are not always about competition for everyone, or bragging rights.



And for some people, that's simply not that important. For some people, playing a video game can be the equivalent of sitting down with a good book. I don't feel especially proud for getting through a new Discworld novel, but I enjoyed the time I spent with it. Same thing with video games, especially if you are an adventure or RPG fan. Sometimes you just want to enjoy the experience, not necessarily the satisfaction of challenge. Everyone has different motives for playing a game.

I don't see why people are pissed. You don't have to use it. In fact, if anything this actually opens up the doors for games to get harder because if a section is too hard for someone, all they have to do is turn on the demo mode and they get past it. Difficulty levels were made in order to keep casual gamers in mind. Having a cheat mode negates the purpose of having a lower difficulty level. Therefore, having a built-in cheat system allows for games to offer more difficult challenges.
What is the purpose of games becoming even more difficult if I could just let the game play itself?

[starseed]

What is the purpose of games becoming even more difficult if I could just let the game play itself?

Why would you do that if you like the challenge?

[glassj4w87]

Why would you do that if you like the challenge?
star seed 1 - other guy 0

[brentkid]

Why would you do that if you like the challenge?
BC bro i play 4 the experience.

[starseed]

BC bro i play 4 the experience.

Then you just saved yourself several hours of frustration and controller breaking, didn't you.

[brentkid]

Then you just saved yourself several hours of frustration and controller breaking, didn't you.
Nah, just used GameFAQs and played the game myself.

[glassj4w87]

Nah, just used GameFAQs and played the game myself.
whats the difference between going on-line, reading how to do it, watching someone else do it, than completeing it or just using the feature in the game? i see no difference

[starseed]

Nah, just used GameFAQs and played the game myself.

Just because you read how to do something on a website doesn't mean you aren't still going to be sitting there doing it over and over until you get it right. And by having it in game, you have saved yourself from having to hunt for the information you need.

[brentkid]

Just because you read how to do something on a website doesn't mean you aren't still going to be sitting there doing it over and over until you get it right. And by having it in game, you have saved yourself from having to hunt for the information you need.
Video games are supposed to be an immersive experience. I'm all for aids in games when they're done right. Mirror's Edge had the right idea despite the actual feature not working to the best possible degree in all circumstances. I rather the game tell what I have to do or where I have to go than literally sit there and watch the game do it to me. Some games allow you to lower the difficulty at your own free will. That is a much better feature than me getting stuck at a point, letting the game play itself and then picking up after that section. I'd watch a movie if I wanted to watch something.

This feature is meant to appeal to little kids playing games that are either just flat out horrible at games or playing something that was clearly not made for their age group.

The point is, there are a lot of other things Nintendo could do to make games more friendly rather than letting the game play itself when it becomes too difficult.

[glassj4w87]

Video games are supposed to be an immersive experience. I'm all for aids in games when they're done right. Mirror's Edge had the right idea despite the actual feature not working to the best possible degree in all circumstances. I rather the game tell what I have to do or where I have to go than literally sit there and watch the game do it to me. Some games allow you to lower the difficulty at your own free will. That is a much better feature than me getting stuck at a point, letting the game play itself and then picking up after that section. I'd watch a movie if I wanted to watch something.

This feature is meant to appeal to little kids playing games that are either just flat out horrible at games or playing something that was clearly not made for their age group.

The point is, there are a lot of other things Nintendo could do to make games more friendly rather than letting the game play itself when it becomes too difficult.

how you feel about bringing back game shark or game genie?

[starseed]

Video games are supposed to be an immersive experience. I'm all for aids in games when they're done right. Mirror's Edge had the right idea despite the actual feature not working to the best possible degree in all circumstances. I rather the game tell what I have to do or where I have to go than literally sit there and watch the game do it to me. Some games allow you to lower the difficulty at your own free will. That is a much better feature than me getting stuck at a point, letting the game play itself and then picking up after that section. I'd watch a movie if I wanted to watch something.

This feature is meant to appeal to little kids playing games that are either just flat out horrible at games or playing something that was clearly not made for their age group.

The point is, there are a lot of other things Nintendo could do to make games more friendly rather than letting the game play itself when it becomes too difficult.

I think you are missing the point where you don't have to use it. No one is putting a gun to your head when you play the game to make sure you use that feature, although I'm debating it. jk

[Adeniz19]

haha this thread is pretty entertaining, but the fact still is that cheat codes/modes are nothing new. this is not innovative in the slightest.

also, i don't see the big deal of having cheats built into the system rather than looking online or in books. the end result is still the same. use it if you want, or don't. no need to turn this into a gaming dick swinging contest.

[brentkid]

I think you are missing the point where you don't have to use it. No one is putting a gun to your head when you play the game to make sure you use that feature, although I'm debating it. jk
And you are missing my point that it is another step backwards for Nintendo.

[Adeniz19]

And you are missing my point that it is another step backwards for Nintendo.it's only a step back if you consider different difficulty settings a step back also. you know fuck these gaming consoles having easy settings. everyone should know how to play it on expert, right?

[starseed]

And you are missing my point that it is another step backwards for Nintendo.

Because you haven't adequately explained why.

[brentkid]

it's only a step back if you consider different difficulty settings a step back also. you know fuck these gaming consoles having easy settings. everyone should know how to play it on expert, right?
If you actually read my other posts you'd clearly see I support changing difficulties in games over this new feature.

Because you haven't adequately explained why.
I simply believe there are better, more immersive ways that companies can make games easier without literally having the game skip sections. Gears of War 2 is a good example of letting people play together on different difficulties if the two players are not evenly skilled.

[Adeniz19]

If you actually read my other posts you'd clearly see I support changing difficulties in games over this new feature.
But there is absolutely no difference between the two. Having a cheat mode is not going to change how you play in expert mode. The quality of games aren't going to go down. If you choose not to use this OPTION, it isn't going to ruin your gaming experience. Just see this as another form of a difficulty setting for extremely lazy people.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't like cheats and I think if you are going to play a game, you should actually fucking play it, but this isn't going to lower the quality of gaming. Its just something for the casual gamer that can simply be overlooked by the more experienced person.

[brentkid]

But there is absolutely no difference between the two. Having a cheat mode is not going to change how you play in expert mode. The quality of games aren't going to go down. If you choose not to use this OPTION, it isn't going to ruin your gaming experience. Just see this as another form of a difficulty setting for extremely lazy people.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't like cheats and I think if you are going to play a game, you should actually fucking play it, but this isn't going to lower the quality of gaming. Its just something for the casual gamer that can simply be overlooked by the more experienced person.
I can see where you're coming from, I just really don't like this idea. With how expensive games are these days I want to get the absolute most I can out of a game. At least with actual cheats you still play through the game, you know?

I used to work at GameStop and this must be a new revolution with gaming because it was never a concern when I was growing up but parents would constantly ask me how difficult a game would be for a kid of a certain age. I guess Nintendo is just conforming to the way the gaming market is changing.

[OldJersey]

Cheats and faqs have always been around, you had the option of using them then, and when nintendo starts implying this in games, you will have the option of using it or not. Big fucking whoop if they are adding it to games, just don't use the mode if you don't want to.

[Ailite]

Weird idea

[Kif]

play paper mario, beat the whole thing in under a yr on wii. games not easy. just bc wii is kid friendly doesn't mean the games are made for idiots.
I never said they were made for idiots, I said they weren't hard. When was the last time anyone here was stuck on a 2D Mario game?
You know, kids play video games too. And kids might need some help. Little 7-year old Johnny might not have the mad skillz that you do, but he wants to have fun too enjoying the game. Video games are not always about competition for everyone, or bragging rights.
I think you under-estimate how good kids are at games.

[starseed]

I think you under-estimate how good kids are at games.

It's just reasoning, obviously there are exceptions. I was pretty good at video games. Although my first video game, Super Mario Bros., took me about a year to beat.

I can see where you're coming from, I just really don't like this idea. With how expensive games are these days I want to get the absolute most I can out of a game. At least with actual cheats you still play through the game, you know?

I still don't get why you care so much about what other people do.

Gears of War 2 is a good example of letting people play together on different difficulties if the two players are not evenly skilled.

But that's different, that is a multiplayer feature. That I understand. We're solely talking about single-player games here. You and the console, no one else.

[brentkid]

I still don't get why you care so much about what other people do.
I don't care at all what other people do. If they want to spend fifty dollars and let a game play itself then they can go for it. I just hate seeing a company I once loved constantly making decisions that only further push it into a casual gaming sphere and alienating the people that it used to make games for.

[starseed]

I don't care at all what other people do. If they want to spend fifty dollars and let a game play itself then they can go for it. I just hate seeing a company I once loved constantly making decisions that only further push it into a casual gaming sphere and alienating the people that it used to make games for.

The joke's on you then, because Nintendo has always made games for casual gamers. It's just that back in the NES and SNES days, there was no such thing as a casual gamer. But Nintendo still cranked out the same games it does now, just in less amounts. Super Mario World wasn't mind-numbingly difficult, for example. Just like now when they pump out Super Mario Galaxy 2, it won't be mind-numbingly difficult either. On the other hand, I'm sure Sin & Punishment 2 when it comes out will be.

Don't get me wrong, I do see your point. Obviously having a built-in cheat like this can be looked at as a way to get more non-gamers into gaming. On the other hand, you could kind of look at it like a gateway drug. It might get them interested in more challenging games. Also, I don't think that this is strictly for casual gamers. I'm intrigued by it for one, and I would hardly consider myself a casual gamer. People just have different ideas about what's important in a game.

Personally, I'm glad that Nintendo is finding more ways to increase the gaming marketplace. I had a conversation yesterday with someone who I never would have pegged as a gamer at all but there we were talking about Project Natal. It's interesting how much gaming culture has expanded. I welcome it. I think there are still challenging games out there, but honestly, I don't care quite as much as a lot of other people, I guess. I do see your point though. I just don't think it's a catastrophe.

[brentkid]

The joke's on you then, because Nintendo has always made games for casual gamers. It's just that back in the NES and SNES days, there was no such thing as a casual gamer. But Nintendo still cranked out the same games it does now, just in less amounts. Super Mario World wasn't mind-numbingly difficult, for example. Just like now when they pump out Super Mario Galaxy 2, it won't be mind-numbingly difficult either. On the other hand, I'm sure Sin & Punishment 2 when it comes out will be.

Don't get me wrong, I do see your point. Obviously having a built-in cheat like this can be looked at as a way to get more non-gamers into gaming. On the other hand, you could kind of look at it like a gateway drug. It might get them interested in more challenging games. Also, I don't think that this is strictly for casual gamers. I'm intrigued by it for one, and I would hardly consider myself a casual gamer. People just have different ideas about what's important in a game.

Personally, I'm glad that Nintendo is finding more ways to increase the gaming marketplace. I had a conversation yesterday with someone who I never would have pegged as a gamer at all but there we were talking about Project Natal. It's interesting how much gaming culture has expanded. I welcome it. I think there are still challenging games out there, but honestly, I don't care quite as much as a lot of other people, I guess. I do see your point though. I just don't think it's a catastrophe.
Different strokes for different folks.