Digital CD's vs. CD's

[iam_theculprit]

I hope there hasn't been a thread about this before. Anyway, personally I really don't like to digitally download music. I'm the kind of person who would much rather pay a few more bucks to get the case, artwork, actual CD, etc. I think all that is a great part of buying a new album. Now, that's fine and all if someone else would rather download their CD's from iTunes. To each his own. But what has really been pissing me off is that I will go out and buy the actual CD for a few bucks more than it costs to download on iTunes and yet the people who download it from iTunes get iTunes exclusive songs and stuff. That's ridiculous. We shouldn't get punished for actually going out and buying the physical CD. And it's not like we can buy those iTunes exclusives separately because they are always "Album Only." Anyone else aggravated by this?

[Robototron]

Get with the times, grandpa.

[SanePsychotic]

It sucks, but I just download the exclusive tracks if I really want them. But I usually could care less about it.

[Burn That Shit]

It's shitty, but I mean, you can download them for free.

[Rodeo]

There are no such thing as "digital cd's." They are called 'albums.'

[SanePsychotic]

The term "digital CDs" makes me think of holograms. I like holograms.

[zonto]

CDs, NOT CD's. Are you contracting CD IS? Or showing some sort of random possession?

/rant

[zonto]

I refuse to pay money for compressed music. However, I don't have a problem with a somewhat small trend that's emerging for bands to release new CDs or EPs in a lossless format (Jimmy Eat World - Clarity Live, etc...) because that's the same quality as the files they burn on a release. If they include a digital booklet in PDF format and a high-res album art file, then I'm content with that and saving a few bucks.

p.s. If something is ONLY released digitally, compressed, and I really want it, I will download that crap and not hesitate (something like The Used - Shallow Believer or whatever that was on iTunes.) That's bull crap in my opinion. Or the recent practice of CD labels releasing old demos on iTunes to try and make a buck. Ticks me off! Just release a CD and be done with it.

If iTunes let users download Apple Lossless tunes for a buck each then I wouldn't have such a sour taste in my mouth right now...

[Robototron]

I refuse to pay money for compressed music. However, I don't have a problem with a somewhat small trend that's emerging for bands to release new CDs or EPs in a lossless format (Jimmy Eat World - Clarity Live, etc...) because that's the same quality as the files they burn on a release. If they include a digital booklet in PDF format and a high-res album art file, then I'm content with that and saving a few bucks.

Just get a waffles/what account and download everything illegally in FLAC. Problem solved.

[iam_theculprit]

Oops. I suck when it comes to grammar, sorry.

And yeah, I do usually just download them it just seems pretty shitty.

[zonto]

Just get a waffles/what account and download everything illegally in FLAC. Problem solved.

I'm sorry. I have morals and respect our country's constitution & laws. Not to mention the fact that that doesn't benefit the artist in any way.

In my opinion, if you say that a certain CD or song is your favorite or that the band is your favorite band and you don't actually own it on a physical medium, then you're a poser.

On that note, does anyone have a copy of Cassino - Sounds of Salvation they wanna sell? :-(

[Robototron]

In my opinion, if you say that a certain CD or song is your favorite or that the band is your favorite band and you don't actually own it on a physical medium, then you're a poser.

You're right. So what if I've paid to see Lykke Li like six times now? I don't actually own her CD, thus I don't really like her.

[zonto]

You're right. So what if I've paid to see Lykke Li like six times now? I don't actually own her CD, thus I don't really like her.

Why not buy the CD then?

[SanePsychotic]

I don't have morals - I'll illegally download music if I feel like it. When there's an album I really want a physical copy of I will go out and buy the CD, but I'm not going to pay for something I cannot hold in my hand. Like I've said before, paying for music downloads is like paying for gas; I get what I need but in the long run I don't have anything to truly show for it.

[SanePsychotic]

Why not buy the CD then?

Some people just don't care about CDs. Plain and simple.

[Robototron]

Why not buy the CD then?

Because I already have it as MP3s. I don't need a plain old jewel case that I'm just going to stick in a box somewhere and never look at again.

[zonto]

Now don't get me wrong, I will download an album first to sample and see if I like it enough to buy it. But if I don't plan on buying it, I delete it and don't think about it again. I don't need to boost my self-esteem by saying I have so many thousands of songs.

[zonto]

Because I already have it.

But you don't own it. That's the point. If it's someone you've gone to see 6 times, I just don't see how it makes sense in your head to NOT own the CD.

[Robototron]

I don't need to boost my self-esteem by saying I have so many thousands of songs.

Yes, that is clearly why people download music.


But you don't own it. That's the point. If it's someone you've gone to see 6 times, I just don't see how it makes sense in your head to NOT own the CD.

Again, I don't need a plain old jewel case that I'm just going to stick in a box somewhere and never look at again. Is your problem here that I haven't paid for her music or that I don't own the physical product?

[SanePsychotic]

Yes, that is clearly why people download music.

Oh, that's totally why I download music. I don't listen to any of it, I just download it so I can say I have more than so-and-so.

[Robototron]

Oh, that's totally why I download music. I don't listen to any of it, I just download it so I can say I have more than so-and-so.

Obviously, who cares about enjoying things? It's all about my e-penis.

[micahistheballs]

I only buy vinyl.

[SanePsychotic]

Obviously, who cares about enjoying things? It's all about my e-penis.

I have 1,000,000,069 songs - surely I am superior to you!

[SanePsychotic]

I only buy vinyl.

If I had a record player I would be doing the same. But alas, I do not.

[zonto]

Yes, that is clearly why people download music.

Obviously not everyone, but how many people do you know that have a ton of random one-hit-wonder songs on their ipod just because it's popular on the radio. They know nothing about the artist, they don't really even care, it's just another song that someone they thought was cool had so they have to have it.

I'm just saying that I would rather listen to music that I feel invested in. People don't take time to actually listen to albums anymore, it's just background filler. That's why so many artists sound the same. That's why recording quality has gone down in recent years. People just don't care as much about making a quality product. It's cut, packaged, auto-tuned, and then sent to iTunes. I've even heard (not confirmed factually, but I still believe it) that some artists or mixers actually consider the frequency response of iBuds or the effect that mp3/aac compression has on the sound when they are finalizing a track. It makes me sad.

Again, I don't need a plain old jewel case that I'm just going to stick in a box somewhere and never look at again. Is your problem here that I haven't paid for her music or that I don't own the physical product?

I don't own the physical product of JEW - Clarity Live because there isn't one, so in that case it's paying. In your case, there may not be a digital purchase option except for iTunes. I listen to MP3s from CDs I own exclusively on my ipod. So I guess in your case I would say that you don't have the physical medium, because it means that you haven't ripped your files from something that you own and have paid for. You can get higher quality MP3s that way anyway, which is why I still buy CDs and then rip them myself. MP3 on ipod, lossless on my desktop PC. Does that make sense? (I haven't been proofreading.)

EDIT: Also, the concept of not listening to an entire album makes me sad. I prefer to listen to an album start to finish. Sure there are places for playlists and whatnot (work outs, slide shows, mixtapes,) but I don't believe that's how the CD was meant to be listened to. Same reason I buy widescreen DVDs over fullscreen.

[Colorblind!]

I only buy vinyl.

This is the correct answer.
CDs will be extinct in the near future. Sales are dropping dramatically, and it's an easily replicated format. You illegally download it, burn it to a CD, and then you have essentially the same product minus the CD jacket.
Records are something that can't be burned from a computer or replicated with technology and are much more rewarding to buy and collect, and I think that soon labels will only be releasing digitally and on vinyl.

[Robototron]

Obviously not everyone, but how many people do you know that have a ton of random one-hit-wonder songs on their ipod just because it's popular on the radio. They know nothing about the artist, they don't really even care, it's just another song that someone they thought was cool had so they have to have it.

Very few, actually.

I'm just saying that I would rather listen to music that I feel invested in. People don't take time to actually listen to albums anymore, it's just background filler. That's why so many artists sound the same. That's why recording quality has gone down in recent years. People just don't care as much about making a quality product. It's cut, packaged, auto-tuned, and then sent to iTunes. I've even heard (not confirmed factually, but I still believe it) that some artists or mixers actually consider the frequency response of iBuds or the effect that mp3/aac compression has on the sound when they are finalizing a track. It makes me sad.

"Waaah, waaah, waaah, the state of music in the 21st century is utter trash, someone call the waaahmbulance " is basically what this paragraph says to me.

I don't own the physical product of JEW - Clarity Live because there isn't one, so in that case it's paying. In your case, there may not be a digital purchase option except for iTunes. I listen to MP3s from CDs I own exclusively on my ipod. So I guess in your case I would say that you don't have the physical medium, because it means that you haven't ripped your files from something that you own and have paid for. You can get higher quality MP3s that way anyway, which is why I still buy CDs and then rip them myself. MP3 on ipod, lossless on my desktop PC. Does that make sense? (I haven't been proofreading.)

Yes, I know all about ripping files to V0/V2/FLAC, etc., and I can do that myself or I can get it for free of the internet in whatever quality I want, so whatever. Lossless is pointless to listen to, btw, it's been proven time and time again that the human ear can't distinguish between lossless and high quality lossy formats, even on high quality systems, so something like FLAC is really just an archival format.

Also, the concept of not listening to an entire album makes me sad. I prefer to listen to an album start to finish. Sure there are places for playlists and whatnot (work outs, slide shows, mixtapes,) but I don't believe that's how the CD was meant to be listened to. Same reason I buy widescreen DVDs over fullscreen.

Ok, I listen to albums, too, dude. The "album" only really makes sense for certain genres, anyway, though. Most of the music I listen to is released as singles or EPs, some of it digitally only.

[SanePsychotic]

Obviously not everyone, but how many people do you know that have a ton of random one-hit-wonder songs on their ipod just because it's popular on the radio. They know nothing about the artist, they don't really even care, it's just another song that someone they thought was cool had so they have to have it.

I'm just saying that I would rather listen to music that I feel invested in. People don't take time to actually listen to albums anymore, it's just background filler. That's why so many artists sound the same. That's why recording quality has gone down in recent years. People just don't care as much about making a quality product. It's cut, packaged, auto-tuned, and then sent to iTunes. I've even heard (not confirmed factually, but I still believe it) that some artists or mixers actually consider the frequency response of iBuds or the effect that mp3/aac compression has on the sound when they are finalizing a track. It makes me sad.



I don't own the physical product of JEW - Clarity Live because there isn't one, so in that case it's paying. In your case, there may not be a digital purchase option except for iTunes. I listen to MP3s from CDs I own exclusively on my ipod. So I guess in your case I would say that you don't have the physical medium, because it means that you haven't ripped your files from something that you own and have paid for. You can get higher quality MP3s that way anyway, which is why I still buy CDs and then rip them myself. MP3 on ipod, lossless on my desktop PC. Does that make sense? (I haven't been proofreading.)

EDIT: Also, the concept of not listening to an entire album makes me sad. I prefer to listen to an album start to finish. Sure there are places for playlists and whatnot (work outs, slide shows, mixtapes,) but I don't believe that's how the CD was meant to be listened to. Same reason I buy widescreen DVDs over fullscreen.

You're somewhat of an audiophile, so you're going to pay for higher quality music. Other people (I'm going to say the majority, but I'll gladly take it back if proven wrong) don't approach music that way. They geneally don't care if it's the best quality because music doesn't mean that much to them. This is why some do not want to buy the physical copy of the album because they do not care. It's pretty simple.

[SanePsychotic]

This is the correct answer.
CDs will be extinct in the near future. Sales are dropping dramatically, and it's an easily replicated format. You illegally download it, burn it to a CD, and then you have essentially the same product minus the CD jacket.
Records are something that can't be burned from a computer or replicated with technology and are much more rewarding to buy and collect, and I think that soon labels will only be releasing digitally and on vinyl.

I don't think that CDs will become totally extinct. I believe they'll become a novelty item, kind of like vinyl. They won't be as readily available, but they'll still be around. At least this is what I hope.

[Robototron]

Vinyl is worthless, too, really. There's no reason to buy a physical music product except for nostalgia's sake, or in the rare case that the CD or vinyl is actually packaged in an interesting way. I really don't even get the point, even DJs (who have historically been the ones keeping vinyl alive) have moved on to CD-Rs and MP3s. Time to get with the program.

[SanePsychotic]

Vinyl is worthless, too, really. There's no reason to buy a physical music product except for nostalgia's sake, or in the rare case that the CD or vinyl is actually packaged in an interesting way. I really don't even get the point, even DJs (who have historically been the ones keeping vinyl alive) have moved on to CD-Rs and MP3s. Time to get with the program.

I just like to have the physical product. Also, my iPod is a piece of shit, so I generally listen to only CDs in my stereo when I'm at home.

[Burn That Shit]

Vinyl is worthless, too, really. There's no reason to buy a physical music product except for nostalgia's sake, or in the rare case that the CD or vinyl is actually packaged in an interesting way. I really don't even get the point, even DJs (who have historically been the ones keeping vinyl alive) have moved on to CD-Rs and MP3s. Time to get with the program.

I can't believe how much I disagree with you.

[zonto]

"Waaah, waaah, waaah, the state of music in the 21st century is utter trash, someone call the waaahmbulance " is basically what this paragraph says to me.

Do you refute that point? Don't tell me you don't ever hear clipping or any recording artifacts on any modern albums?

Compare that to something like James Taylor (really the only "older" album I have). Probably one of the best recordings I own, simply because things are mixed in a pleasing manner. There's tons of bass when the song calls for it, but it's undistorted. The cymbals don't sound like they are grating at my soul or ear drums.

Then go listen to Jesus by Brand New. At 3:09ish when the cymbals come back in it sounds like butt (I use this song because I've played this album a bit more recently.) Would it really be that hard to turn the gain down on the mic next to the cymbal? Really?


Yes, I know all about ripping files to V0/V2/FLAC, etc., and I can do that myself or I can get it for free of the internet in whatever quality I want, so whatever. Lossless is pointless to listen to, btw, it's been proven time and time again that the human ear can't distinguish between lossless and high quality lossy formats, even on high quality systems, so something like FLAC is really just an archival format.

I agree that most of the time this is correct. But still, how are you going to archive something you don't own? :-d That's why I made the point previously that if bands would release their stuff digitally in a lossless format, I wouldn't care as much. Clarity Live and the newer Finch EP, among others, have done this and that's fine with me. On higher quality systems you can hear the difference if you know what you're looking for.


Ok, I listen to albums, too, dude. The "album" only really makes sense for certain genres, anyway, though. Most of the music I listen to is released as singles or EPs, some of it digitally only.

And I never said everyone has to listen to music the way I do. I'm not saying I'm 100% correct because these are my opinions. I never meant to imply otherwise. I do feel, however, that both of us can be appeased in our musical desires if more care was taken to ensure quality recording and releasing in a lossless format. With broadband internet so prevalent now, it doesn't really make sense not to anymore does it?

[zonto]

I can't believe how much I disagree with you.

Ditto. Does no one listen to CDs in their car anymore? SERIOUSLY?!

[thesafeword]

Fisr page was intense, but at least I learned that it was 2000 again and that apparantly I'm a poser.

[Colorblind!]

I don't think that CDs will become totally extinct. I believe they'll become a novelty item, kind of like vinyl. They won't be as readily available, but they'll still be around. At least this is what I hope.

Maybe!
I think it's still good for car rides especially, but even now cars have mp3 cords/ways to plug in.

[Colorblind!]

Vinyl is worthless, too, really. There's no reason to buy a physical music product except for nostalgia's sake, or in the rare case that the CD or vinyl is actually packaged in an interesting way. I really don't even get the point, even DJs (who have historically been the ones keeping vinyl alive) have moved on to CD-Rs and MP3s. Time to get with the program.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo lame.

[Robototron]

Do you refute that point? Don't tell me you don't ever hear clipping or any recording artifacts on any modern albums?

I guess not in the ones I listen to.

Compare that to something like James Taylor (really the only "older" album I have). Probably one of the best recordings I own, simply because things are mixed in a pleasing manner. There's tons of bass when the song calls for it, but it's undistorted. The cymbals don't sound like they are grating at my soul or ear drums.

Then go listen to Jesus by Brand New. At 3:09ish when the cymbals come back in it sounds like butt (I use this song because I've played this album a bit more recently.) Would it really be that hard to turn the gain down on the mic next to the cymbal? Really?

I've never heard that album or that song, in any format (high quality lossy or otherwise).

I agree that most of the time this is correct. But still, how are you going to archive something you don't own? :-d That's why I made the point previously that if bands would release their stuff digitally in a lossless format, I wouldn't care as much. Clarity Live and the newer Finch EP, among others, have done this and that's fine with me. On higher quality systems you can hear the difference if you know what you're looking for.

No, you can't. It's virtually impossible. As for how I'm going to archive something I don't own, it's called a "hard drive."

And I don't drive.


Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo lame.

Do you still own cassettes, too?

[SanePsychotic]

Maybe!
I think it's still good for car rides especially, but even now cars have mp3 cords/ways to plug in.

My car has an MP3 jack. I used to plug in when my iPod wasn't so evil to me. Now I generally just go with CDs since I have most of what's on my iPod on CD.

[SanePsychotic]

I guess not in the ones I listen to.



I've never heard that album or that song, in any format (high quality lossy or otherwise).



No, you can't. It's virtually impossible. As for how I'm going to archive something I don't own, it's called a "hard drive."

And I don't drive.



Do you still own cassettes, too?

I do. And I still buy them some places.

[Robototron]

Why?

[zonto]

I really just don't know how you can live with yourself honestly. It just seems so empty to me to not want to purchase music. You do see how that's a problem don't you? Even if it's just from a purely legal standpoint?

Do you plagiarize at school?

Do you steal your food?

[Robototron]

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[zonto]

You still didn't answer my question(s).

[Robototron]

Actually, I'm not even going to justify myself to you, because I don't want this to turn into another long-winded discussion on illegal downloading (this isn't what this thread was about, anyway)

[SanePsychotic]

Why?

Well, I still have cassette tapes because that is how my family bought music when I was younger. I still listen to them because there's good music on tape and I have a tape player. I still buy cassettes when I can because when I just stumble across something I want or interests me, I buy it.

Plus, exploring mixtapes that you find in the bargin bin at some used junk stores is very entertaining.

[zonto]

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[zonto]

Actually, I'm not even going to justify myself to you, because I don't want this to turn into another long-winded discussion on illegal downloading (this isn't what this thread was about, anyway)

Or because you can't justify it?

[tonyC4L]

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That was interesting. I listened to it on my HFI-780s and could really tell that there is a difference.

[zonto]

That was interesting. I listened to it on my HFI-780s and could really tell that there is a difference.

Thank you for not being ignorant.

I'm currently in process of finding a 1999 release of Clarity to compare to the remastered copy I have from 2007 so that I can compare the waveforms. I'm curious to see if something similar happened with this album during their production on the new release.

[Robototron]

That was interesting. I listened to it on my HFI-780s and could really tell that there is a difference.

Youtube streams are so bad they might as well be negative quality. You didn't need fancily titled headphones to hear that.

[zonto]

Youtube streams are so bad they might as well be negative quality. You didn't need fancily titled headphones to hear that.

I'm beginning to think you're an idiot.

(typed while listening to JEW on my Etymotic ER4S earphones)

[tonyC4L]

Youtube streams are so bad they might as well be negative quality. You didn't need fancily titled headphones to hear that.
I first listened to it through the shitty speakers on the laptop I'm using and couldn't tell any difference, so I decided to use my headphones. Then when writing that comment I considered using the phrase "nice headphones" instead of the actual model but decided against it for fear of any ambiguity with the word "nice." I didn't write it to sound pretentious.

[Robototron]

I'm beginning to think you're an idiot.

(typed while listening to JEW on my Etymotic ER4S earphones)

So you think that whether I listen to that Youtube stream on my shitty iPod earbuds or studio headphones I'm going to notice any difference, other than the fact that I'll realize how shitty Youtube sounds in general (which isn't very hard to figure out in the first place)?

Because no matter how you listen to it, that Youtube link is streaming at about 64kbps.

(typed while listening to Luomo on my Beyerdynamic DT880s complete with headphone amp)

[DejaNew]

I love physical copies. To me, an album sounds better when it's in physical form, and I love to try and decipher the artwork that the artists include with their CDs. I have an ever-growing list of albums I need to buy.

[zonto]

(typed while listening to Luomo on my Beyerdynamic DT880s complete with headphone amp)

Which year and impedence of DT880?
And which brand/model amp?

I actually was considering a pair of those as my first cans randomly enough!

And yes, I can still tell a difference on YouTube with these, especially with the HQ button clicked. Obviously depends on the video/source though.

[Robototron]

Which year and impedence of DT880?
And which brand/model amp?

I actually was considering a pair of those as my first cans randomly enough!

That's not very random, they're very popular headphones. 2005, 250 ohms. I didn't bother make Darth Beyers or anything like that, I actually wasn't even going to spring for these if I hadn't found them about half off (?!) on Amazon about a year ago.

I use a Corda 2Move as an amp, and before you jump down my throat about it, it was cheap and gets the job done. I'll probably upgrade to a better amp once I get out of college/get settled, but for now it works fairly well. Virtually all of my listening is straight through my laptop, anyway.

Actually I might just get a new setup altogether, the DT880s don't quite have the bass response I'm looking for (their emphasized high end is well-documented, etc.). They're excellent for most music, but as various Electronic genres make up the majority of my listening habits, I could probably do a little better/bassier.

[zonto]

That's not very random, they're very popular headphones. 2005, 250 ohms. I didn't bother make Darth Beyers or anything like that, I actually wasn't even going to spring for these if I hadn't found them about half off (?!) on Amazon about a year ago.

I use a Corda 2Move as an amp, and before you jump down my throat about it, it was cheap and gets the job done. I'll probably upgrade to a better amp once I get out of college/get settled, but for now it works fairly well. Virtually all of my listening is straight through my laptop, anyway.

Actually I might just get a new setup altogether, the DT880s don't quite have the bass response I'm looking for (their emphasized high end is well-documented, etc.). They're excellent for most music, but as various Electronic genres make up the majority of my listening habits, I could probably do a little better/bassier.

Why would I jump down your throat for using a 2Move? Maybe a little underpowered for full size cans, but with hi-gain and such enabled internally you should be fine right?

And what source are you using?

I'm very close to purchasing a DIYMOD and Practical Devices XM5 right now...

Oh and I meant random because I've basically narrowed it down to the AKG K702 in black, DT880 '05 600ohm, or Grado HF2.

Which phones are you considering upgrading to?

[Robototron]

Why would I jump down your throat for using a 2Move? Maybe a little underpowered for full size cans, but with hi-gain and such enabled internally you should be fine right?

Precisely because the 2Move isn't really built for full-sized headphones, haha. It works well, but I'm sure I can do better with a high quality tube amp or something of that sort.

Like I said, I run my 2Move straight from my laptop, which is probably some kind of audiophile travesty given my lack of a decent sound card, etc.

Which phones are you considering upgrading to?

I haven't decided yet, I still have to figure out what I'm going to these, among other things.

[zonto]

Precisely because the 2Move isn't really built for full-sized headphones, haha. It works well, but I'm sure I can do better with a high quality tube amp or something of that sort.

Like I said, I run my 2Move straight from my laptop, which is probably some kind of audiophile travesty given my lack of a decent sound card, etc.



I haven't decided yet, I still have to figure out what I'm going to these, among other things.

Well that's the point of getting a portable USB amp/dac. Your "lack of a decent sound card" doesn't matter because it pipes all the audio data via USB digitally straight to the DAC chip. You have set the unit up as your default audio device right, at least when listening on the go?

You could also try using Foobar2000 with ASIO4ALL which bypasses the Windows Kernel Mixer and gives a little better sound quality because it's processed by even less components before it passes out of the PC.

Have you set your 2move up internally to the hi-power/hi-gain switches?

[Robototron]

Yes to all of that, I was simply making light of how far some audiophiles will go to achieve perfect sound (since, as I pointed out earlier, quite a bit of audiophilia is based on psychology more than the actual quality).

[michelle182]

Don't even think the topic is still focused on the titled but....
I prefer to buy the actual CDs for bands that I really like. If I wasn't anticipating an album, I probably won't go buy it. If its just something I wanna hear just to hear it then I'll download.

[AP_Punk]

digital vinyl records

[CalRahhh]

I usually download everything and buy the albums I really like.

[envytheliving]

I definitely prefer having a physical copy of an album rather than just downloading it. I like having the booklet and everything. And I always worry that if I just download the album, something will happen to my music library and I'll lose my $10 or whatever.

[thesafeword]

Blah blah blah supporrting the record company... I mean artist blah blah blah physical copy blah blah blah booklet blah blah blah illegal downloading is wrong blah blah blah.

[murrich]

If I bought all my albums normal price it would equate to around $9000.
Why would I do that when I can get it for free? For a bit of sentimentality? No thanks.

[Until The Bombs]

Buy vinyl. Illegally download everything else.

[Colorblind!]

digital vinyl records

lol

[Colorblind!]

Buy vinyl. Illegally download everything else.

:wave:
If they don't press it, I'm not going to buy it.

[flks511]

Just illegally download the exclusive tracks that you can't get with the CDs.

[Until The Bombs]

:wave:
If they don't press it, I'm not going to buy it.

Same here, except for very rare exceptions.

[fenderrock89]

I usually download all of my stuff unless its one of my favorite bands. Or if I download a bands stuff and get into them later on, I might buy whatever album of there's I'm getting really into.

[flks511]

I usually download all of my stuff unless its one of my favorite bands. Or if I download a bands stuff and get into them later on, I might buy whatever album of there's I'm getting really into.
Same.

[SanePsychotic]

I usually download all of my stuff unless its one of my favorite bands. Or if I download a bands stuff and get into them later on, I might buy whatever album of there's I'm getting really into.

A great amount of people do that. Like me.

[thespearkid]

I steal close to all of my music. In the past year and a half or so, I've only purchased three albums (The Red Album, Foxboro Hot Tubs, and Razia's Shadow). This is never really a problem for me.

[Poe-tryGirl]

The hard copies are always much better than digital downloads. But digital copies are much more convenient. I'm sure we've talked about this in the MCR and TAI... thread.