baseball discussion

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Which individual record is the most dificult to break?

for my money, i gotta pick Young's 511 wins. If you win 20 games for 20 seasons straight, youre still 111 wins off.

EDIT: "other" is Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

how do i edit polls?

[LeftWideOpen]

don't think we'll ever see anyone break dimaggio's hitting streak. thats mine

[NetNerdsRevenge]

don't think we'll ever see anyone break dimaggio's hitting streak. thats mine
oh shit, i forgot that in the poll!

[preppyak]

don't think we'll ever see anyone break dimaggio's hitting streak. thats mine
to be honest, I think a team would pitch around a guy if he hit in 40-50 straight, just so he couldn't break the record. The longest streaks now are in the 30's, and even then the press goes nuts.

My second is Ripken's, just because of how long it would take, but it might be because I hold Ripken in such high regard

[Emopunkthrice]

hmnn without steroids 73 homeruns will be tough

[mouood]

Cy Young's 511 wins. No one will ever break that record.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

My second is Ripken's, just because of how long it would take, but it might be because I hold Ripken in such high regard
I think this is one of the easier ones to be broken. There are a lot of guys who are capable of playing that long. Tejada and A-rod come to mind.

hmnn without steroids 73 homeruns will be tough
This is one of the harder ones, but with ballparks being built smaller these days, it could definitely happen. I could see a slugger in places like Colorado, Philly, Chicago, Texas, etc. getting it due to the fact that the balls travel at those places.


The 56 game hitting streak, in my mind, is the hardest to pull off over a season. Maybe except for ERA, but I would imagine a reliever could pull that off.

[Signals Corrupted]

gotta be between 511 wins and ripken's consecutive games.i dont believe either record will be broken in my lifetime.

[afk999]

of these wins of alll it would be a shutout or complete game record

[somethingyellow]

a great example of how baseball is so great, with all these historic records

[apoemtothedead]

Ripken.

[thejetstolehome]

56 game hit streak...

[bigmike]

shit, i didn't see the wins record before i went with the strike out record. 511 wins will never, ever be approached upon. no one will ever finish with in 100 wins of it.

[Doug]

511 wins will never be broken.

[Brownpants06]

over 2000 consec games... how...

[fluke182]

56 game hitting streak would be insane, but 511 wins and 4,256 hits are in another world. No one plays long enough anymore and no one is that consistent anymore. Just like 20 wins for 20 seasons would bring it short, so would 200 hits for 20 seasons for that record. Both of those will never be broken, hitting streak is at least in the realm of possibilities.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

56 game hitting streak would be insane, but 511 wins and 4,256 hits are in another world. No one plays long enough anymore and no one is that consistent anymore. Just like 20 wins for 20 seasons would bring it short, so would 200 hits for 20 seasons for that record. Both of those will never be broken, hitting streak is at least in the realm of possibilities.
absolutely true. The only person I could think of who could challenge it would be Ichiro, but he is going to be 32 this season. In his first 5 seasons he has 1130 hits. He would have to duplicate this 5 year stretch for another 15 seasons to break the record (actually its a little less).

Still, 511 is insane. Also, pitchers do not pitch enough anymore to get close. Young had 5 seasons of 30+ wins and another 7 seasons with 25+ wins. He pitched 7,354.7 innings, which we also will not see in this era.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I think one that is being over looked is Martinez's 166 ERA+. ERA+ is a form of ERA which adjusts for ball park factors. It gives ERA a more clear definition effective a pitcher was. This could probably be broken, but just realize his 166 is the best ever, well above Grove who is in second with a 148 ERA+.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I think either the lowest ERA or William's .406 will be the hardest.

[Doug]

I think either the lowest ERA or William's .406 will be the hardest.

no, you're wrong, anyone who didn't say 511 wins is wrong. 511 wins is impossible and will never be broken. there should be another poll that says, "other than 511 wins, what is the hardest record to break." so anyone who doesn't say 511 wins may or may be put on my ignore list forever.

on another note: rose's hit streak can be broken. if another player like ichiro comes along, but who actually enters the league at a younger age, it's quite possible.

i don't mean to shit on your parade so much, so i will agree that lowest era will be incredible difficult. ichiro could hit .400 if he put his mind to it.

[bigmike]

no, you're wrong, anyone who didn't say 511 wins is wrong. 511 wins is impossible and will never be broken. there should be another poll that says, "other than 511 wins, what is the hardest record to break." so anyone who doesn't say 511 wins may or may be put on my ignore list forever.

on another note: rose's hit streak can be broken. if another player like ichiro comes along, but who actually enters the league at a younger age, it's quite possible.

i don't mean to shit on your parade so much, so i will agree that lowest era will be incredible difficult. ichiro could hit .400 if he put his mind to it.
no one will ever win 400 games again, let alone 511.

[ActorInThisPlay]

no, you're wrong, anyone who didn't say 511 wins is wrong. 511 wins is impossible and will never be broken. there should be another poll that says, "other than 511 wins, what is the hardest record to break." so anyone who doesn't say 511 wins may or may be put on my ignore list forever.

on another note: rose's hit streak can be broken. if another player like ichiro comes along, but who actually enters the league at a younger age, it's quite possible.

i don't mean to shit on your parade so much, so i will agree that lowest era will be incredible difficult. ichiro could hit .400 if he put his mind to it.
yeah 511 wins is practically impossible to break as well. That is probably first but I think that no one is going to hit .400.

[Doug]

consider this. ichiro has 2408 hits between japan and mlb (with about 150 less at bats per season, but regardless), so ichiro needs 1848 hits to tie rose's record if you include japan. take his average hits per mlb season (226) divide those into 1848. ichiro would only need to play a little over 8 seasons to tie rose's record on this pace. now obviously he wouldn't hold the record as japanese stats don't count. but still, that's completely possible, and if ichiro had started out playing in the united states, he could have beaten rose's record in under 20 seasons.

[Doug]

no one will ever win 400 games again, let alone 511.

if clemens hadn't given up in boston, he would have had a chance. king felix is the next great hope.

[bigmike]

if clemens hadn't given up in boston, he would have had a chance. king felix is the next great hope.
i don't think 'king felix' will. i think clemens is/was a rare old school type breed and is the last that might have had a legit shot at even 400 wins.

[ActorInThisPlay]

consider this. ichiro has 2408 hits between japan and mlb (with about 150 less at bats per season, but regardless), so ichiro needs 1848 hits to tie rose's record if you include japan. take his average hits per mlb season (226) divide those into 1848. ichiro would only need to play a little over 8 seasons to tie rose's record on this pace. now obviously he wouldn't hold the record as japanese stats don't count. but still, that's completely possible, and if ichiro had started out playing in the united states, he could have beaten rose's record in under 20 seasons.
yeah and considering Gagne had 55 saves in one season, i don't think 3 more to beat the record is impossible. Bonds is almost about to break Aaron's homerun record. Homerun's in a season is possible considering how quickly Bonds beat it after McGwire did. I don't think Ripken's will ever be beat though, and if it is, it won't be for a very long time.

[Doug]

i don't think 'king felix' will. i think clemens is/was a rare old school type breed and is the last that might have had a legit shot at even 400 wins.

i'm just curious, but why? i mean, obviously it is very improbable. but i could see this guy dominating for the next twenty years. it's not like he's a frail pedro type guy.

[Fury15]

so many of these will never be broken, but i have to go with cy young. 511 wins. insane

ripken too

[bigmike]

i'm just curious, but why? i mean, obviously it is very improbable. but i could see this guy dominating for the next twenty years. it's not like he's a frail pedro type guy.
i don't know. i just don't like the odds. he could be injury proned, he could have to get tommy john surgery and miss a lot of time. just alot of unknowns. i always bet against that sort of thing. he's a phenom potentially, no doubt, but i'm just not betting for him to reach 400 wins.

[Doug]

i don't know. i just don't like the odds. he could be injury proned, he could have to get tommy john surgery and miss a lot of time. just alot of unknowns. i always bet against that sort of thing. he's a phenom potentially, no doubt, but i'm just not betting for him to reach 400 wins.

fair enough. there's always good potential when someone is so good so young. i mean, bostonians are comparing papelbon to clemens and felix has 5 years on papelbon.

[bigmike]

fair enough. there's always good potential when someone is so good so young. i mean, bostonians are comparing papelbon to clemens and felix has 5 years on papelbon.
yeah. from what i hear papelbon is supposed to be very good.

[HungJury]

Unfortunately, it's gonna be Bonds homer record. They'll clean up all the steriods soon to make that record impossible to break. Bonds is bad for baseball.

[Doug]

you can always tell someone who doesn't post in the sports forum very often.

[mikeford]

other than cy youngs record because that can never and will never be broken

and other than dimaggios hitting streak

nolan ryans career NO HITTERS is a record i dont think will ever be touched either.

[cantnokdahustle]

Cy youngs 511 wins will never be broken because you are talking about a completely different style of baseball, and therefore it really should not even be in this conversation/poll. It can' be broken, not because no one could make a run at it, but because no one realistically could make a run at it. I.E. no pitcher would be given the chance to break that record.


William's .406 is the hardest of the attainable feats.

[LeftWideOpen]

Cy youngs 511 wins will never be broken because you are talking about a completely different style of baseball, and therefore it really should not even be in this conversation/poll. It can' be broken, not because no one could make a run at it, but because no one realistically could make a run at it.


William's .406 is the hardest of the attainable feats.

right, and thats why i didnt choose it too. cy young started 40-45 games a year and he also played in a terrible era for hitting (commonly refered to as the dead ball era). nobody will ever do what he did because the game is completely different now w/ pitchers getting 4-5 days rest. In today's game, you are talking about someone who has to play for 25 years and win 20+ a year ...it isnt possible. Felix Hernandez, for example, would have to start winning 20 games a year beginning w/ next season and he'd have to win that many each year until he was about 46. There's no chance of it happening considering pitchers don't start more than 30-35 games a year these days.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

which is why its impossible.

I guess we can throw it out and just discuss records that could be reached.

[bigmike]

other than cy youngs record because that can never and will never be broken

and other than dimaggios hitting streak

nolan ryans career NO HITTERS is a record i dont think will ever be touched either.
his career 1 hitters will be hard to touch, too.

[bigmike]

which is why its impossible.

I guess we can throw it out and just discuss records that could be reached.
if we did that we'd be throwing half of baseballs records out.

[FondestMemory]

there's so many records that will never be broken.

511 wins definitely. we'll never even see a pitcher win 30 games in a season in our lifetime. i also don't think the hit streak, nolan's no hitters or rose's hits will ever be touched.

but something that hasn't been mentioned yet is rickey henderson's steals. both for a season and a career. i don't think they're impossible to reach, but the way the game is played now, the steal is almost a lost art. i haven't looked up stats, but doesn't 60 or so steals lead the league nowadays? that's half of what henderson did in one season. and you're not gonna get over 1000 by stealing 50-60 a season in your prime.

like i said though, it's not out of the realm of possibility, but it relies more on whether the game will let somebody put up those kind of numbers again.

[LeftWideOpen]

i really think the only record that should be thrown out of discussion here (if you want to limit it to attainable records) is the 511 wins, because its the only record that is impossible to reach because of the way the game is played. Nobody makes 40-50 starts a year anymore ... people still hit, steal bases, strike out guys .. so I'd only throw out the 511 wins, which I guess would make it the answer to this question.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Well throwing out 511, who is runner up? I would have to say either the 56 game hitting streak, .406, or Bond's73 .

56 games is sooooo hard to do.

.406 could be the easiest of the three because Boggs hit .400 over two seasons.

73 homeruns seems to be a long stretch these days. Homeruns have gone down over the past couple years and pitching seems to be making a comeback.

[LeftWideOpen]

my vote goes for 56.

[nateisawesome]

Dimagio's hit streak

[weezer182]

too hard to choose

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Dimagio's hit streak
I dont think its that easy too say. It may not happen in the next 10 years, but I could definitely see it happening at some point. This could be one of those records that is chased by two men (sosa, Mac) 40 years from now.

Everything except Young's 511 is attainable, which makes this a very difficult question.

[dai the flu]

yeah yeah he'd have to win 20 a year for 25 years. i know it'll never be beaten.
but what about ripkens record? you'd have to play for 16 years and never once take a day off. every single game for 16 years. some of you arent even 16 years old. that'll never be broken.

[cantnokdahustle]

yeah yeah he'd have to win 20 a year for 25 years. i know it'll never be beaten.
but what about ripkens record? you'd have to play for 16 years and never once take a day off. every single game for 16 years. some of you arent even 16 years old. that'll never be broken.

Miguel Tejada, though he says he is not interested in the record, but he could do it at 39.

[mikeford]

bonds HR record will be broken eventually... just not any time soon, for single season. the Aaron record will be his but not for long. I bet A-rod or Pujols smashes that, maybe both of them.

rose's streak will be broken one day too... just not in our lifetime.

but now that someone mentioned it... rickys career steals is in the cy young category of shit that just cant be touched anymore. the game aint the same and i dont think anyone will ever have the pure built in INSTICT for swiping bags that ricky had.

[Doug]

the game may change again to be speed based. i think rickey's sb record could be broken, but not any time soon.

add andruw jones to that list of who could break the career HR record.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

bonds HR record will be broken eventually... just not any time soon, for single season. the Aaron record will be his but not for long. I bet A-rod or Pujols smashes that, maybe both of them.

rose's streak will be broken one day too... just not in our lifetime.

but now that someone mentioned it... rickys career steals is in the cy young category of shit that just cant be touched anymore. the game aint the same and i dont think anyone will ever have the pure built in INSTICT for swiping bags that ricky had.
I missed this one. Ricky's stolen base record is probably pretty safe. More and more, teams are subscribing to a sabremetrics type of evaluation. If you believe in a sabre way of evaluating, you do not believe in stealing a base as it is playing with outs, and you don't want to give those away. Stolen bases have become less apart of the game, so I think he is safe

Also, Ripken's record is not safe. Tejada could break it.

[sweetforever]

I'd say either hitting .400 or the 56 game hit streak. You have to be on the top of your game, in order to break either one of those.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I'd say either hitting .400 or the 56 game hit streak. You have to be on the top of your game, in order to break either one of those.
You would have to be on top of your game to break any record. That's why it's a record, the best players (with exception) hold them.

[mikeford]

i hope no one ever breaks pete roses record. i love pete rose.

[ktb3]

You should basically take out the 511 wins out of the poll becuase it is impossible for any pitcher to reach that amount without pitching for 30 years and thats not going to happen. Pitchers just dont pitch as often as they used to.

[cantnokdahustle]

yeah, ok... Teddy is my fucking idol, but why am i the only one who has voted for him?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I didn't vote for him because Wade Boggs hit .400 in a 162 games, but over 2 seasons. Tony Gywnn came very close in 94 and Nomar actually was hitting .400 at a point during the 2000 season, I believe. Its a great record, and one of the hardest things to do, but when in competition with everything else up here, it could probably be done a whole hell of a lot easier then some of the life-time records or a 56 game hitting streak.


Edit: and just for clarification, I love Teddy ball game as well.