When Is Time Of Essence?

[Frank Giaramita]

Discussion Question: How is a band's fanbase affected when the band releases a record every three to four years as opposed to every year or two?

[yourlocalcinema]

It depends on the band more than anything. If it's a band who relies on trends & shallow catchiness, fans are going to be less willing to wait. If it's a band who writes deep, touching, emotional songs that connect on a different level, then people are more willing to let their anticipation build.

Also, shouldn't it be 'affects'?

[merv the perv]

Well, the band that comes to mind when asked this question is Brand New. I don't even really care about them anymore. My musical tastes have changed so much that I don't even expect to enjoy their next release. I think if the majority of a band's fans are young, like most of us here, it hurts the band to wait so long between releases. Our musical tastes change way too much. If your fan base is much older, I think it might not hurt a band as much.

[jaimej]

Hmmm I wonder what gave you this idea haha.

If a band doesn't release an album for a really long time people tend to forget about them, especially those that visit this site and are bombarded with new bands every 5 seconds.

Then again, once the band finally does release something, it brings back the same feeings that you've had for them in the past.

I guess it all depends on how much that band had originally impacted you. If you thought their previous work was just "okay", then you're probably not as stoked to hear new stuff or still follow them, as you would if you respected their previous work as phenominal or life-changing.

[StartingLine182]

I think its much easier for a band to stay in the spotlot if they release something atleast every other year. Alot of time a band will lose part of their fanbase if it takes a while for new stuff.

[pr0jectmayhem26]

if they are a good band, it makes the fans want that cd even more.

look at brand new and all the attention they are getting right now.

they disappear for a while and then (something) comes out and everybody goes ga-ga.

[chroma23]

I have to agree with the majority of the answers. If a band who wait a long time after putting out an amazing release waits a long time, their fans get more excited for it, but if they wait a long time after putting out shitty cd then it hurts them.

[dave vegan]

they get ripped on more in internet forums.

[Frank Giaramita]

The reason I asked this, was because I am extremely frustrated with a number of bands right now.
-Saosin, for one, released a 5 song EP in three years and were suopposed to release their record in February of last year. It's now a year later and they haven't even entered the studio yet...it's completely inexcusable.
-As much as I love Brand New, they've had two years to write and record this album... what is the delay? Taking Back Sunday wrote, recorded, toured, wrote and recorded again since Brand New played their last show... literally. What is going on? ( I didn't use this comparison to spark any drama, promise).
-The Ataris saw a ridiculous amount of success with their last album, "So Long Astoria". I absolutely loved the disc! When a band sees success wouldn't they want to capitalize on it by releasing another record as soon as possible? Where have they been and what's taking them so long? They haven't even fully toured in a while...
-AFI- Read "The Ataris" above.

It just frustrates me a lot. I've been waiting and waiting patiently and I want to hear some music already. Bands always wonder why success comes and goes so fast, and I'll tell you why. Whenever they release a record that isn't "amazing", us "fans" have to sit on it for three or four years before hearing another one... it's hard enough to sit on a good record for three of four years, let alone a mediocre or crappy one.

[DroppedUrPocket]

I pretty much agree with Jaime and yourlocalcinema.

[btbam > you]

it just makes me want the cd anymore. im not gonna forget about a band that i love.

[DroppedUrPocket]

...
WYWTB was also a very big letdown. They got more done, sure, but the ending result was meh.

[Frank Giaramita]

WYWTB was also a very big letdown. They got more done, sure, but the ending result was meh.
I don't care if TBS recorded themselves farting on a record, the fact that they recorded two albums and toured in the time that Saosin wrote and recorded an EP and Brand New wrote and recorded this record is incredible to me.

[mickmadethelist]

definately depends on the band and the kind of fanbase they hold. AFI released the art of drowning in 2000 then sing the sorrow in 03. They held the type of fans they had previously but had an added fanbase due to major label signing. 3 years later and AFI will again be coming out with another cd this year. The crowd that attached itself to the good charlotte benji impersonators who were your typical high school goths and have more than likely moved on from that. They will continue to hold the fans they had before and some of the new ones that care solely about music. but because of the trend at that time, some people who bought sing the sorrow wont give the next one another listen

[bankrom]

bands should take a page out of the starflyer 59 book on albums...
release a nine or ten song LP every year and stick another EP in between them.
essentially, sf59 releases 13-14 songs a year spread over a couple of albums.

[FondestMemory]

in a scene like this, where everyone is so focused on praising the new kid on the block, it seems like a mistake to take so long putting out new records. afi/the ataris/dashboard/brand new....
these are bands who garnered huge fanbases and then just vanished to work on follow ups that still have not come.

in the meantime, we have to hear about how great crappy bands like panic! are.

it boggles my mind to look at artists like elton john and other bands from the 70s who were putting out a record or two a year. some were better than others, but if you only put out one record every two years, people are less likely to forgive you it most of it is weak. if you're not giving the people quantity, you better supply quality.

[DroppedUrPocket]

I don't care if TBS recorded themselves farting on a record, the fact that they wrote and recorded two albums in the time that Brand New is taking to write and record one is incredible to me.
Haha. Well then. Maybe I should release an amazing record and then release a record of myself farting and see how it goes down with the fans.

[jaimej]

I don't care if TBS recorded themselves farting on a record, the fact that they wrote and recorded two albums in the time that Brand New is taking to write and record one is incredible to me.
Hahahaha I've once said that "Jesse Lacey could record 50 minutes of himself farting and it would still be one of the most anticipated album of the year."

[Frank Giaramita]

Haha. Well then. Maybe I should release an amazing record and then release a record of myself farting and see how it goes down with the fans.
I don't think a band needs two years of sitting at home to write and record a "phenomenal record"...it's complete overkill. Some bands write phenomenal records in 6 months while on tour... I just want new music already. I mean, I've been extremely patient for three years waiting for this new Brand New record, the least they can do is post a small update on their website every now and then.

"Not only are we not going to release a record for three years or play a show for a year and a half, but we're going to leave you guys completely in the dark too".

[seanyboy]

Whats the deal with Brand New, are they still in the studio? Has anyone heard anything from them?

[mickmadethelist]

chinese democracy. 12 years now? now one will buy it

[DroppedUrPocket]

I don't think a band needs two years of SITTING AT HOME to write and record a "phenomenal record"...it's complete overkill.
Truth. I don't mind. I guess it's different with everyone, though. I'm still looking forward to Brand New's new one, even if it comes out in 2008. They're just one of those bands that have hit me in such a way that I would wait forever.

[bigmig22]

I think that the album, no matter how good it is, will most likely disappoint. The hype gets so big, that it can't live up to it. Perfect example is Finch.

then there are bands that have released only few songs that people unjustifiably hype up.....hellogoodbye, saosin

[shtjames]

The reason I asked this, was because I am extremely frustrated with a number of bands right now.
-As much as I love Brand New, they've had two years to write and record this album... what is the delay? Taking Back Sunday wrote, recorded, toured, wrote and recorded again since Brand New played their last show... literally. What is going on? ( I didn't use this comparison to spark any drama, promise).
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i think for jesse its about the fact that he wont put out a record he sees as a compromise. sometimes you just gotta wait for the songs to hit you..i'd rather have the album he loves a year from now instead of the one he would be denouncing by now had it been released already.

and for saosin. i think anthony green was a lot more important to the SONG WRITING PROCESS than everyone decided to acknowledge when he left the band.

[Punkdc]

I remember seeing the Straylight Run/Say Anything/Northstar tour and John said he heard the new demos. This had to be two years ago and Im still looking forward to the new record, just not as hyped. But I mean, check out Suburban Legands...one of my fav ska bands, and all they have is one EP and one LP. But even with all the line up changes, they can still keep in the eye of the fans because they toured so much. They even have contracts with Disney so much they get to keep growing with kids. After 3 years is normally when I start to lose interest. Just think, in a 4 year span, you complete a huge stage of your life (high school, college, marriage). Doesn't NFG do a summer record every two years? I think thats a perfect plan on somebodys part in the group. 1-2 Years, good record relase. 3+ years is a shame to lose your fanbase

[bobbob]

I'd rather a band took 3 years to create a fantastic record (hopefully Brand New) than spend that 3 years creating a mediocre CD, touring it twice and writing a new one (TBS). But that's me, and I'm not fond of mediocre, regurgitated identikit CDs.

The only issue is when the band change so much in that time that they become unrecognisable, annoying fans in the process (as much as I love SHTS, Finch are the first example that springs to mind, followed by The Ataris new-and-old).

[Tony]

I don't care if TBS recorded themselves farting on a record, the fact that they recorded two albums and toured in the time that Saosin wrote and recorded an EP and Brand New wrote and recorded this record is incredible to me.
quality > quantity

good rule of thumb. don't get me wrong, i'd love it if my favorite bands put out a new album every year. but if that means they'd be crap (and it usually does), i'd rather let them take their time. if i like a band, i'm willing to wait.

besides, the only thing bands really risk by taking "too long" with a new album is losing those trend-hopping fucks who dare to call themselves "fans."

[tbsrocks820]

most bands should put out a new cd every two years. atleast for me this about how long it takes for me to want to hear more from them.

but bands like tool and to some extent afi can wait awhile because the stuff will be worth the wait.

and some bands......saosin, brand new........should just put their stuff out before t gets over hyped and then it becomes a dissapointment.

[Frank Giaramita]

quality > quantity

good rule of thumb. don't get me wrong, i'd love it if my favorite bands put out a new album every year. but if that means they'd be crap (and it usually does), i'd rather let them take their time. if i like a band, i'm willing to wait.

besides, the only thing bands really risk by taking "too long" with a new album is losing those trend-hopping fucks who dare to call themselves "fans."
Pink Floyd released some of the greatest albums of all time, every one or two years, consistently. Quality over quantity does stand true, but if it takes a band two years of sitting at home to write a phenomenal record, they probably should pack it in and throw in the towel right now. In my mind, great bands can put out incredible records constantly and consistently...

Dark Side of the Moon (March 1973)
A Nice Pair (April 1973)
Wish You Were Here (September 1975)
Animals (January 1977)
The Wall (November 1979)

Note: I know I'm comparing Brand New to Pink Floyd, I know the music industry was different back then, but I still think my point stands true-- Great bands can put out great records constantly, without the hiatus and without the hesitation.

[DroppedUrPocket]

Now now Frank, not every band can be Pink Floyd.

[histrionics22]

i think for jesse its about the fact that he wont put out a record he sees as a compromise. sometimes you just gotta wait for the songs to hit you..i'd rather have the album he loves a year from now instead of the one he would be denouncing by now had it been released already.

You can say that now but I bet you'll be the first person bitching if the new album isn't that good. If it takes this long and sucks, there will be a major uproar.

[darkwire121]

I think that if a band puts out a record.....it does well and a fan base starts to grow...that they almost owe it to themselves....to follow up....write a new record....record it and get it in the listeners hands.....Now as im writing this...i find myself thinking of a certain band...you may remember....Finch....their "falling into place ep" was awesome "what it is to burn "basically broke the mold and put them on the map for screamo.....but then they just stopped...stopped writing music....stopped touring stopped being a band.....three to four years later they released a follow up "Hello Sunshine"which...i never bought for one...it took like four years... my taste in music had changed and two.... after giving the album a listen on Rhapsody...it was rediculous.....it sounded like angry rock aka chevelle, smile empty soul....they werent even the same band anymore....although im not saying that an album release a year or two after "what it is to burn" would have changed anything...but it at least would have kept the listeners in touch with a groundbreaking band....while also selling a few thousand copies...but not all bands are this way...im just saying that it wouldn't have killed finch to have put out another record... i think personally its better to release two or three songs at a time...throughout an enitre year. that way you always have something to...to keep you comming back and thusly improves their live performance ....Portugal. the man...

[Frank Giaramita]

Now now Frank, not every band can be Pink Floyd.
Well, the way kids talk about them on here you'd be surprised. Part of being a solid band is writing an awesome record while on the road, recording for 5 or 6 months and then hitting the road again. I just don't think there's any reason why a band should need to take almost two years off from doing anything to get a record done.

[ThatGuy]

this is the add culture we live in that we want it now now now.

but on the same side of the coin, i want albums asap too. i could argue both points of this. sometimes its worth the wait, and sometimes its not

[brandneww]

depends how much the fans love the band. my favourite band, brand new, hasn't released anything in almost 3 years. they're still my favourite band though. i still listen to them all the time and am anxiously awaiting their new album. it does get frustrating sometimes, though. especially when they never update their site telling you what's going on. i guess the fan base will probably decrease for bands that take too long to release a new album. however, the ones that are left when the new album for x band finally comes out, are the truest of the true fans.

[ColourandShape]

To hell with Brand New, the way they treat their fans is shit.....they think they're huge rockstars, get over it

[badnewsherald]

i suppose this question is a double edged sword quality to it. with updated discogrophy (sp?) a band has the possiblity to keep building momentum and have a continually growing fanbase. are these albums as good, being released so close together? is that even enough time to come out with something substantial in this 'hurry up' mindset? it depends on the band. whereas if you are a true fan, you will either wait patiently for the next go around or your love for said band will disapate and you will move on. i have asked this question to bands myself saying "what? your recording again? you cd came out in august." i guess there is a rationale to it. cd to cd, we will just have to go along for the ride

[fluke182]

I think taking 3 or 4 years is kind of pathetic for the most part, because it's not like they're sitting there pondering it every second, they're dicking off. I'd love to see a day by day study of what Jesse Lacey has been doing for the last forever. You don't need all this time to make a record, Gatsby's puts one out every year and they are better than 99.9% of the released material, it's a passion thing really. I don't really get the passion thing from Jesse, I think he just wants to be an icon.

Btw Frank, you should respond to my AIM messages sometime! Come on now!

[LeftWideOpen]

Bands can take as long as they want as long as they put out a CD worth the wait. I don't see it as bands having an obligation to fans, because as fans we're lucky as hell to be able to listen to these guys records (even if we're paying for them). First band that comes to mind is Radiohead ..they take forever, but they always make it worth the wait. On the other hand, if a band flops after waiting a while, then they'll get ripped apart. So either way, it all comes down to the music. That's what matters, not how long it takes to write it.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

depends on how good/genre expanding the album is.

[so typical]

allowing this much time to go by...is the wrong way to go, i think generally a musician should always be writing new music..i mean its what they "love" to do..its their dream so why does it take so long to follow to something you've always to ment to do and you " love " doing..thats why i'm glad some bands waste no time...i.e. the early november, underoath, northstar(cassino)..etc

[SaturnineMantra]

The gift of frequently releasing quality material is a RARE attribute of bands. For instance, The Beatles were arguably the most prolific & consistency great band of all time. Pink Floyd are also up there.

However, some bands take their sweet time. I cite TOOL, who have 5 year waits in between albums. Yet it's worth it for albums like Aenima, Lateralus, and whatever their new album may be called.

Saosin definitely pisses me off. Every since Anthony left the band, he managed to write & record a Circa Survie EP, Circa Survive album, and the Sound of Animals Fighting album. WTF have Saosin done? One pitiful and painfully forgetable EP.

The Shins are making me wait a long time (about 3 years, which is a lot for an indie band of their status) for their new album. If it's good (which I believe it will be), then it'll be worth it. If it's not...Thennnn they'll probably be forgotten.

The Ataris!! The Ataris are coming out with a new album very soon. I can't friggin wait. The wait will almost certainly be worth it. Kris has matured a lot since So Long, Astoria, and has even been divorced. They have 7 members now, including a cello and 3 guitarists. It's a completely different band. The wait will have been worth it, I'm sure.

I have class now.

Bye.

[Frank Giaramita]

this is the add culture we live in that we want it now now now.

but on the same side of the coin, i want albums asap too. i could argue both points of this. sometimes its worth the wait, and sometimes its not
I'm not asking for it "now now now", I'm asking for it within a three year time period (give or take, I can be patient). And if that can't be done (which it couldn't, obviously) I'm asking for them to at least play some shows to hold me over. If that can't be done (which it also couldn't), I'm asking for them, at the veyr very least, to post an update on their website every week or two to let me know what's going on (that also can't be done). This isn't just about Brand New, it's about AFI, Ataris, Hellogoodbye, Saosin etc.

[nfggc10]

I'm not asking for it "now now now", I'm asking for it within a three year time period (give or take, I can be patient). And if that can't be done (which it couldn't, obviously) I'm asking for them to at least play some shows to hold me over. If that can't be done (which it also couldn't), I'm asking for them, at the veyr very least, to post an update on their website every week or two to let me know what's going on (that also can't be done). This isn't just about Brand New, it's about AFI, Ataris, Hellogoodbye, Saosin etc.
I agree and it just seems like there's been so many huge bands (DC,BN,Ataris,AFI,Shins,Thursday) that haven't released anything in 3 years. But at the same token, it's what makes years like this where they all will release cds that much more enjoyable.

[darkwire121]

in a scene like this, where everyone is so focused on praising the new kid on the block, it seems like a mistake to take so long putting out new records. afi/the ataris/dashboard/brand new....
these are bands who garnered huge fanbases and then just vanished to work on follow ups that still have not come.

in the meantime, we have to hear about how great crappy bands like panic! are.

it boggles my mind to look at artists like elton john and other bands from the 70s who were putting out a record or two a year. some were better than others, but if you only put out one record every two years, people are less likely to forgive you it most of it is weak. if you're not giving the people quantity, you better supply quality.



I think its funny how convienant it is to hate panic at the disco.....i know they sound almost exactly like FOB....and of course there on the same label....but they are very talented guys....after a show they played in seattle last time they were here.....i had a party...the guys came and played an entire acoustic set and let me tell you it was amazing...i was pretty shitfaced at the time....but i know good music when i hear it i was def impressed....From then on i have a new found respect for the band....

[sneakysmith87]

Your opnion of panic! is a little biased, im sure if FOB came to a party I had and played a set I would enjoy that too, and I fucking hate FOB.

[dangets]

tool fans understand

then again half the people here probably think they're pretentious fucksticks

[thisgetupkid]

Tool can and does do this

Radiohead is as well...HTTT was released in 2003

I don't think they will lose many that many fans, because of the kinds of bands they are
they have rabid fanbases
and people know what they will make is great

i'm already saving up for bonnaroo
it's so exciting
I've never seen Radiohead live
and the other bands sound wonderful as well

[Darren McLeod]

Propagandhi are the kings of making their fans wait, and the wait is always worth it. I don't want a rushed product, nor do I want one that isn't full of passion that the band wanted to put out.

[A picasso blue]

Is this discussion pretty much about about Brand New? just a hunch..

[DroppedUrPocket]

Is this discussion pretty much about about Brand New? just a hunch..
We are not allowed to speak of them.

[Prelude2AnEpic]

i would much rather wait a year or too longer and get a quality album than fill that void with a sub-par one in a shorter amount of time. Just like with Jimmy Eat World hiatus between Bleed American and Futures.... took them 3 years before they release a new album but it made it that much better when it finally came out

[Throwback]

The first person that comes to mind for me is Ryan Adams. Three releases this year, all three different and great in their own way. That is a musician. Say Anything, putting out basically an entire new ep that they've had written probably less than a year after IARB was released (of course, there were push-backs), and hell Relient K. Since 2000 they have released four full lengths and three eps. Thats 7 releases in 6 years.

Certain bands I suppose can take their time but when the return is disappointing (ahem...Weezer), it makes it even worse that you held out for so long for something so lackluster. Brand New needs to hurry up before I completely lose interest, but for some reason I have no problem with Saves the Day taking as long as they have.

[Adeniz19]

Die hard fans will stick by the band no matter what. It's the casual listener they will lose if they take to long with the record. Ex: The Ataris. They hit it big with their last record and I'm sure now alot of the casual listeners forgot all about them and they have to start all over again. Bands only hurt themselves when they take this long to put something out.

[A picasso blue]

We are not allowed to speak of them.
fine by me.

[eversosweetTEN]

I'm not asking for it "now now now", I'm asking for it within a three year time period (give or take, I can be patient). And if that can't be done (which it couldn't, obviously) I'm asking for them to at least play some shows to hold me over. If that can't be done (which it also couldn't), I'm asking for them, at the veyr very least, to post an update on their website every week or two to let me know what's going on (that also can't be done). This isn't just about Brand New, it's about AFI, Ataris, Hellogoodbye, Saosin etc.

i completely agree. with brand new, the most ridiculous part is the fact that they really haven't been doing much - no tours, no random shows, nothing. two and a half years went by and they're still in the studio. or maybe they're not but they haven't bothered to say. the lack of any sort of update i think is careless and unnecessary. other bands have studio updates, diaries, pictures, little video clips - anything! bands are even releasing rough cuts on purevolume/myspace so that the fans can hear what they're doing. it keeps the excitement going and keeps fans coming back. i don't think its that hard to do and it is in the best interest of the band as well as the fans.

[A picasso blue]

anyway tons of bands have waits

Pink Flloyd went on hiatus for like 7 years
RHCP hasnt released an album in 4

it doesnt matter how long to some people.

[Adeniz19]

anyway tons of bands have waits

Pink Flloyd went on hiatus for like 7 years
RHCP hasnt released an album in 4

it doesnt matter how long to some people.those bands already have a HUGE fanbase.

[TheWordsmith]

to me it's all about the attitude of the musicians... if the musicians don't really care that people appreciate their music and spend time and money on their music than they can take as long or as little as they like because i won't be supporting it.

[ProjectMayhem33]

hellogoodbye...enough said

[CorporateFish]

Reminds me most of weezer.
It really depends on the music (is it simple/catchy or more meaningful), whether they have a loyal fanbase (not just a bunch of jr. high girls), and reasons for taking so long.

[NameTaken69]

I don't care if TBS recorded themselves farting on a record, the fact that they recorded two albums and toured in the time that Saosin wrote and recorded an EP and Brand New wrote and recorded this record is incredible to me.
haha thats rich. finch did that kind of, and the new record dissapointed me alot

[Kyner]

I hope Hellogoodbye takes 3 more years to write an album. How hard is it? Make some crappy keyboard arrangements, throw a few IM dings in there and some guitar chords. Oh...... and make sure when you play shows to have people come on stage wearing retarded costumes.

[monkeyboyrock]

Probably about the same...just more saliva!!!

[pr0jectmayhem26]

about jesse lacey farting...

if it was 50 minutes of him farting, it would be a <i>new breed</i> of fart.

but the bottom line is this.

<B> take as much time as you need to write what you think is the absolute best album you can put out there. BUT keep your fans informed. (cough, Brand New, cough) Brand New is my number one favorite band, and I'm not angry that they haven't released a cd in three years, I'm angry they haven't updated their website since oct 25th. KEEP YOUR FANS INFORMED, WITHOUT THEM YOU HAVE NO JOB.</b>

[JunkBondTrader]

if i were a musician i would try to write the best music possible, but I wouldnt take fucking 4 years to come out with a cd.....seriously, dont giv me that "well we dont want to put out a piece of shit".............well sorry but its a fucking job, maybe you should read some books, sit down, get some fucking inspiration. its YOUR FUCKING CAREER. a majority of americans go to work from 9-5 nearly every day. We know that being on the road forces you to slack off a little when you get home, we know no one wants to fucking write music as soon as they get back but it IS your job, that is what you chose to do with your life. But I guess then there is the problem with inspiration, i guess you cant force something to come to you. But look at the Beatles, look how many records they put out in the extremely short time they were around. Im not saying any band can do what they did but it just seems as though bands should spend more time making music, fuck, it doesnt have to be the greatest god damn production ever, i just want the music.

[A picasso blue]

if i were a musician i would try to write the best music possible, but I wouldnt take fucking 4 years to come out with a cd.....seriously, dont giv me that "well we dont want to put out a piece of shit".............well sorry but its a fucking job, maybe you should read some books, sit down, get some fucking inspiration. its YOUR FUCKING CAREER. a majority of americans go to work from 9-5 nearly every day. We know that being on the road forces you to slack off a little when you get home, we know no one wants to fucking write music as soon as they get back but it IS your job, that is what you chose to do with your life. But I guess then there is the problem with inspiration, i guess you cant force something to come to you. But look at the Beatles, look how many records they put out in the extremely short time they were around. Im not saying any band can do what they did but it just seems as though bands should spend more time making music, fuck, it doesnt have to be the greatest god damn production ever, i just want the music.
i sort of agree. sort of


if i ever get a band (hopefully) I will not cut stuff from the final product. instead i'll just release it in addition as like a bunch of demos. The Cure have begun doing this for all their CDs and most of the unreleased stuff is great

Im sure Coheed have some great songs they never put to the albums.

[flyerfan182]

The reason I asked this, was because I am extremely frustrated with a number of bands right now.
-Saosin, for one, released a 5 song EP in three years and were suopposed to release their record in February of last year. It's now a year later and they haven't even entered the studio yet...it's completely inexcusable.
-As much as I love Brand New, they've had two years to write and record this album... what is the delay? Taking Back Sunday wrote, recorded, toured, wrote and recorded again since Brand New played their last show... literally. What is going on? ( I didn't use this comparison to spark any drama, promise).
-The Ataris saw a ridiculous amount of success with their last album, "So Long Astoria". I absolutely loved the disc! When a band sees success wouldn't they want to capitalize on it by releasing another record as soon as possible? Where have they been and what's taking them so long? They haven't even fully toured in a while...
-AFI- Read "The Ataris" above.

It just frustrates me a lot. I've been waiting and waiting patiently and I want to hear some music already. Bands always wonder why success comes and goes so fast, and I'll tell you why. Whenever they release a record that isn't "amazing", us "fans" have to sit on it for three or four years before hearing another one... it's hard enough to sit on a good record for three of four years, let alone a mediocre or crappy one.
The Ataris have a cd done, they've had one done. Their label won't put it out cause huge labels suck. I saw Kris Roe play an acoustic set 2 weeks ago and he told us this. He has been touring like crazy by himself. The Ataris can't because of their crappy contract... I hate the majors

[KetchupMan36]

i can understand how it might take a band a while to record a new cd. i mean, you spend a year or writing the first cd, then tour your ass off non-stop. then granted you deserve some time off to relax and write new stuff. i'd say every 3 years for a new cd is not unreasonable at all.

[CloseToShore]

3 years is definitely not unreasonable. Yeah, I mean, 3 or years, give or take a little that's fine. But no more. Like a picasso blue, put out some demos, put out some live shows, something unreleased. Keep the true fans hungry for more. Updating things like myspace/purevolume helps, because yeah, you do still feel kind of connected to that band, even if there is no cd out. At least you know that they are working on it and know that you, as a fan, want to hear something. I mean, look at the Deftones. it took them how long between albums? 2 or 3 years. That's just enough. Also, they put out the bsides cd in between their self titled and the one coming out this year. They toured also, like Team Sleep, and doing club shows before going into the studio. At least it keeps the true fans out there happy, and knowing that you, the band, still cares about them.