NBA Trade Rumors. Darko and More.

[Caleb Cattivera]

The Magic have offered their first round pick, which is not lottery protected, and Kelvin Cato to the Pistons for Darko and Arroyo.

The Nuggets have been talking to the Knicks in hopes that they'll take Kenyon Martin. hahaha but knowing Zeke he'd probably trade a can of pork n beans for Martin. Julius Hodge, Lenard, and others are rumored to be on the block too. Hodge sucks.

Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes have been offered for Ray Allen, the Sonics would be stupid to make that deal.

The Lakers have offered Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum to the Knicks for Penny Hardaway and Channing Frye. Isiah's hesitant to trade Frye, but likes Bynum alot.

[somethingyellow]

i dont know if the lakers would be that much better this year if they did that trade

[last light]

i dont know if the lakers would be that much better this year if they did that trade

seems stupid to me, getting basically nothing for odom seems dumb, frye for bynum seems like it should be a straight deal judging on talent/upside...obv salarys may not match but it just kind of seems like giving away a 15 and 10 guy for no reason,.

[somethingyellow]

i still say the lakers dont make the playoffs, i could see the kings overtake them

[getupkid53]

and penny thinks he wont be back this year... if they gave up odom they'd be out of the playoff hunt. Kobes a one man show, but odom needs to be there..

[last light]

they need to win the rest of this home stand and i think they be in decennt shape as far as getting to the playoffs, we will see though...odom would be worth a decent player to some teams i think, a lot more then penny hardaway anyway

[somethingyellow]

is this the trade that you mentioned earlier that would help the lakers get in the playoffs caleb?

[Caleb Cattivera]

is this the trade that you mentioned earlier that would help the lakers get in the playoffs caleb?

no.

if they make this trade, i think they have a shot at the playoffs, IMO channing frye>lamar odom. i thought frye was a joke at the beginning of the year, but he's had some big games.

the whole point of the trade is penny's expiring contract, that'd be 15 million bucks that would come off their books next season.

lamar odom is trash.

[somethingyellow]

the whole point of the trade is penny's expiring contract, that'd be 15 million bucks that would come off their books next season.

lamar odom is trash.that makes more sense then

[Caleb Cattivera]

the trade that had originally been brought up was odom, bynum, and a pick for garnett.

garnett said that he wanted to play with kobe, and vice versa...it could still happen, but the chances arent great.

[getupkid53]

the trade that had originally been brought up was odom, bynum, and a pick for garnett.

garnett said that he wanted to play with kobe, and vice versa...it could still happen, but the chances arent great.

with the tailspin that the wolves are in, Mchale is going to have to do something or risk losing his job. after their performance last year and their pathetic season this year.. they either need to trade alot of the team, or move garnett... we will see

[itsjdiggity]

Holy Shit...Lebron and Jesus

Dwight Howard and Darko = http://www.sykografix.com/articles/article6/beast_wars_title.jpg

[last light]

the trade that had originally been brought up was odom, bynum, and a pick for garnett.

garnett said that he wanted to play with kobe, and vice versa...it could still happen, but the chances arent great.

wow that would be nuts.

[Talib Scottie]

Yeah it was obvious to me that Julius wasn't going to be a great pro. Teams need to stop picking players on their college cred.

[Brownpants06]

The Lakers have offered Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum to the Knicks for Penny Hardaway and Channing Frye. Isiah's hesitant to trade Frye, but likes Bynum alot.

That would be awesome for my fantasy team, Odom would get back to his Miami ways if he played in NY.

[Caleb Cattivera]

garnett will be in a different uniform either by after the all star break...

or next season.

[FondestMemory]

i'd love to see allen play with lebron. he needs scoring help. bad. there's a chance hughes may be out for the rest of the season though, so that'd be downright stupid of the sonics to take it.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i'd love to see allen play with lebron. he needs scoring help. bad. there's a chance hughes may be out for the rest of the season though, so that'd be downright stupid of the sonics to take it.

yeah, that and the stupid contract that the cavs gave hughes, they'd have to take that on.

[getupkid53]

With KG gone, we have no leadership on or off the court.. Minnesota loses a big community contributor.. I heard the stands were so empty / quiet last night you could hear a pin drop. Who lets mike james roll for 27 ... all while bosh is sitting on the bench..

[FondestMemory]

yeah, that and the stupid contract that the cavs gave hughes, they'd have to take that on.

true, true. it's like they paniced once they lost out on allen and redd and just gave a shitload to make sure they got the third option out there. pretty much their whole offseason was disappointing. i wish they'd ship damon jones too. he hits some big shots, but he wastes way too many possessions by taking stupid threes.

i'm just hoping hughes can be of some use whenever he comes back. and watch out for stephen grant, the dude they just signed to a 10-day contract. he's been playing fucking awesome.

[Ravenna]

garnett will be in a different uniform either by after the all star break...

or next season.
where else is garnett rumoured to go, besides LA?

[Spicoli hey bud]

I need to see some more action. It's all talk right now.

[Ravenna]

id love to see darko just fucking blow up. i know everyone is calling him a bust, but hes still young and has had almost no playing time in detroit. hopefully he will get a shot somewhere else.

[chroma23]

Isn't Penny Hardaway about 53 now?

[LeftWideOpen]

Yeah it was obvious to me that Julius wasn't going to be a great pro. Teams need to stop picking players on their college cred.

hodge was such a dirty player from what i remember. i didnt watch him game after game, but i remember a few times he got away with cheap shots and throwing people to the deck.

[Caleb Cattivera]

where else is garnett rumoured to go, besides LA?

he's from the chicago area, so he'd like to play for the bulls. the lakers and bulls are his likley options.

random side note, when i was in junior high, our high school team went to state...and who did we get our ass kicked by? kevin garnett. fuck. he lit us up.

but...i did get his first basketball card ever that weekend, good ole IHSA cards.

[Ravenna]

he's from the chicago area, so he'd like to play for the bulls. the lakers and bulls are his likley options.

random side note, when i was in junior high, our high school team went to state...and who did we get our ass kicked by? kevin garnett. fuck. he lit us up.

but...i did get his first basketball card ever that weekend, good ole IHSA cards.
is he a free agent at the end of the season, or does he just want out?

[Caleb Cattivera]

is he a free agent at the end of the season, or does he just want out?

he's not been able to win in minnesota. and that's not going to change anytime soon. he knows that, and the franchise knows that...they just need to start over, without garnett.

[Spicoli hey bud]

what's this gordon for ray allen I'm hearing about?

[Caleb Cattivera]

what's this gordon for ray allen I'm hearing about?

nothing. that'd be a horrible trade for the sonics.

[Spicoli hey bud]

nothing. that'd be a horrible trade for the sonics.
I read something from a chicago source yesterday claiming that this was actually a possibility and a "smart move" for the bulls. Obviously.

[FondestMemory]

i think any move involving ray allen would be a stupid move for the sonics and a great move for the other team involved.

i'd be shocked if he ends his season somewhere else.

[gnfnrs91]

hodge was such a dirty player from what i remember. i didnt watch him game after game, but i remember a few times he got away with cheap shots and throwing people to the deck.

I don't know how you guys can say hodge sucks as a pro. He's averaged like 1 minute a game this year. He's on a team where he's behind miller, boykins, watson, buckner and vo lenard. They sent him to the D league, cause he's just getting rusty on the bench. And it's a well known fact that Karl doesn't play rookies. The only reason Kleiza is playing is cause Nene went down, Camby has been down as well as KMart. Otherwise he'd be on the bench too, and you'd say he was a big12 bust.

[FondestMemory]

I don't know how you guys can say hodge sucks as a pro. He's averaged like 1 minute a game this year. He's on a team where he's behind miller, boykins, watson, buckner and vo lenard. They sent him to the D league, cause he's just getting rusty on the bench. And it's a well known fact that Karl doesn't play rookies. The only reason Kleiza is playing is cause Nene went down, Camby has been down as well as KMart. Otherwise he'd be on the bench too, and you'd say he was a big12 bust.

sounds like they need a power forward.

gooden and damon jones for andre miller would be a dream come true. cavs never should have let him go.

[Talib Scottie]

hodge was such a dirty player from what i remember. i didnt watch him game after game, but i remember a few times he got away with cheap shots and throwing people to the deck.
He wasn't really dirty, he was just hot headed.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I don't know how you guys can say hodge sucks as a pro. He's averaged like 1 minute a game this year. He's on a team where he's behind miller, boykins, watson, buckner and vo lenard. They sent him to the D league, cause he's just getting rusty on the bench. And it's a well known fact that Karl doesn't play rookies. The only reason Kleiza is playing is cause Nene went down, Camby has been down as well as KMart. Otherwise he'd be on the bench too, and you'd say he was a big12 bust.

how are you including lenard who's only played in 12 games, and hasnt played since dec 15th?

kleiza hasnt started a game all season, and is only pulling eight minutes per game, but he's earned that through the way he's played.

k mart has missed 13 games this season. camby has missed a few more. linas plays garbage minutes, but once again, unlike hodge, he's earned the minutes.

hodge will amount to nothing in the leauge, he'll be two years and done player. he shouldnt haev been a first rounder.

[bigmig22]

there is no scenario in my mind that lamar odom is trash. no way lakers make playoffs if they make that trade.

[Caleb Cattivera]

there is no scenario in my mind that lamar odom is trash. no way lakers make playoffs if they make that trade.

channing is younger, and will be a better player than lamar.

once again, odom is worthless.

[LeftWideOpen]

channing is younger, and will be a better player than lamar.

once again, odom is worthless.

hey caleb, this has nothing to do w/ this thread but your PM limit was exceeded so it wouldnt send to your mailbox haha ...the league ID is 2121.

[weezer182]

channing is younger, and will be a better player than lamar.

once again, odom is worthless.odom isnt a worthless player, he just doesnt fit in the lakers system

[bigmike]

damnit, can we get darko some playing time SOMEWHERE so i can make a judgement on whether or not he's a bust yet?

[Caleb Cattivera]

odom isnt a worthless player, he just doesnt fit in the lakers system

he's never going to be a big player in the nba. he isnt going to help any team he's on. he's worthless to me.

[Caleb Cattivera]

damnit, can we get darko some playing time SOMEWHERE so i can make a judgement on whether or not he's a bust yet?

i think if the pistons trade him, they may regret it...

something tells me he's going to blow up, because he's been shafted for three years. he's going to get pissed off at the world and eat earl boykins.

[bigmike]

i think if the pistons trade him, they may regret it...

something tells me he's going to blow up, because he's been shafted for three years. he's going to get pissed off at the world and eat earl boykins.
I think so too. He's a 7 footer with good game. just he's only 19 years olk (or 20, i don't remember, it's been too long since the last darko sighting) and he's adjusting from a war torn country to america where he has to learn the language, how to drive, how to live, how to thrive in this society while playing against some of the best players in the whole world. he needs to get cut some slack. and i'll be sad when he goes and tears shit up because he enver got a chance here. Id on't think you should give up on a kid before you even give him a chance, you know?

I hope he doesn't eat boykins, cause he went to eastern michigan, so i like seeing him succeed since he's from the mac. much like i root for chris kaman because he went to central michigan. However, i think boykins > Kaman based solely on his grew-my-balding-thin-woody-harrelson-hair-out-like-i'm-david-lee-roth type nasty hair style.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I think so too. He's a 7 footer with good game. just he's only 19 years olk (or 20, i don't remember, it's been too long since the last darko sighting) and he's adjusting from a war torn country to america where he has to learn the language, how to drive, how to live, how to thrive in this society while playing against some of the best players in the whole world. he needs to get cut some slack. and i'll be sad when he goes and tears shit up because he enver got a chance here. Id on't think you should give up on a kid before you even give him a chance, you know?

I hope he doesn't eat boykins, cause he went to eastern michigan, so i like seeing him succeed since he's from the mac. much like i root for chris kaman because he went to central michigan. However, i think boykins > Kaman based solely on his grew-my-balding-thin-woody-harrelson-hair-out-like-i'm-david-lee-roth type nasty hair style.

hahahaha the kaman thing was hilarious...

as for darko...there was this player in portland in the late 90s, he played around 10 mpg(more than darko) and averaged around 4 ppg and 3 rpg...then he went to indiana and blossomed into a star once he got the PT...could darko be the next jermaine oneal?

[gnfnrs91]

i think if the pistons trade him, they may regret it...

something tells me he's going to blow up, because he's been shafted for three years. he's going to get pissed off at the world and eat earl boykins.

haha

[bigmike]

hahahaha the kaman thing was hilarious...

as for darko...there was this player in portland in the late 90s, he played around 10 mpg(more than darko) and averaged around 4 ppg and 3 rpg...then he went to indiana and blossomed into a star once he got the PT...could darko be the next jermaine oneal?
i don't know. they won't give him a fucking chance. I mean, what's the worse that can happen? It's not like he's going to suddenly disappear and reappear in the form of paul davis, so we should be okay there.


god i love talking shit on paul davis.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i remember last season, they let darko start the last two games of the year. i know in one game he had 16 points, 5 boards, 3 blocks, 2 assists and shot 7 for 11 from the field. he's got the potential, just needs the time.

[Scott Weber]

the sonics would have to be so stupid to trade ray allen.

[bigmike]

i remember last season, they let darko start the last two games of the year. i know in one game he had 16 points, 5 boards, 3 blocks, 2 assists and shot 7 for 11 from the field. he's got the potential, just needs the time.
i know. and if people are leaving games early because of blowouts at the palace, they'll announce darko is coming in and everyone rushes back to their seat and go crazy for the kid to come in and play 30 seconds. he's got the potential, you're right. he just needs a chance. it's the only move that the pistons have made in the past few years that boggles my mind.

[Caleb Cattivera]

the sonics would have to be so stupid to trade ray allen.

damn straight they would be. they'd have to be fucked up to do that. but everything anaylysts are saying, and everything i've heard is that he's gone. they wont get someone as good as him in return...why do it?

[biglu002]

lamar odom is far, far from trash...when you're 6'10" with 3 point range, can handle the ball, and have enough floor vision to get double digit assists on occasion, you are probably not trash, and are probably worth a lot more than a "decent player" to "most teams." if you remember back miami's team pre-shaq/wade, lamar odom was a point forward averaging 17, 10, and 4 a night. trash...is just not a very good assessment of a 25-year-old matchup nightmare for opposing teams.

and have you all been watching the pistons this year? why would anyone screw with the chemistry in that rotation right now? are you telling me darko milicic is going to give the pistons better minutes than antonio mcdyess, or even dale davis? no, he isn't...and those two games he started last season were against the bobcats and the hawks.

please think before posting.

[Brownpants06]

once again, odom is worthless.

Odom, 03/04
PTS
1371
REB
776
AST
327
ST
85
BLK
71
TO
236

Total Points: (Pts worth 1, reb worth 1, assist worth 1, steal block worth 2, TO worth -1) 2611.

Overall: 14th. Out of every player in the NBA in 03/04. This year he is 33rd Overall, ahead of Ric ham, Ben Wallace, Richard Jefferson to name a few.

That is not worthless.

He doesn't work with lakers. Kobe can't pass and they don't need a high scoring forward. Put him on any other team and he will be back to those numbers.

[Caleb Cattivera]

lamar odom is far, far from trash...when you're 6'10" with 3 point range, can handle the ball, and have enough floor vision to get double digit assists on occasion, you are probably not trash, and are probably worth a lot more than a "decent player" to "most teams." if you remember back miami's team pre-shaq/wade, lamar odom was a point forward averaging 17, 10, and 4 a night. trash...is just not a very good assessment of a 25-year-old matchup nightmare for opposing teams.

and have you all been watching the pistons this year? why would anyone screw with the chemistry in that rotation right now? are you telling me darko milicic is going to give the pistons better minutes than antonio mcdyess, or even dale davis? no, he isn't...and those two games he started last season were against the bobcats and the hawks.

please think before posting.


he had one good season in miami. ONE. pre wade? huh 2004? lets see here, wades rookie season. right? right.

wade was the one leading his team in ppg, apg, and fg% through out those playoffs and in the regular season averaged 16 ppg, 5 apg and 4 rpg. wade was the one who stepped up his performance towards the end of the season. it was wade who lead the team with 24 ppg, 7 apg and 5 rpg in a seven game winning streak that ultimatley secured their spot in the playoffs. also leading them to an 18 and 5 record the last month and a half of the season. this was a team at the 40 game mark that had a record of 16 and 25 and turned things around to be a over .500 team. odom was not the leader of that team, wade was...he played one season in miami...and it was wades rookie year.

it doesnt matter who darko started against, it was the fact that he went out there and proved he could play. he was match up against emeka in that game, and ill remind you that emeka was rookie of the year last season. darko plays more minutes, and has better numbers than dale davis, what are you talking about? we're just saying that darko deserves a CHANCE, that's it. and they're going to fuck up by trading him.

think before you post.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Odom, 03/04
PTS
1371
REB
776
AST
327
ST
85
BLK
71
TO
236

Total Points: (Pts worth 1, reb worth 1, assist worth 1, steal block worth 2, TO worth -1) 2611.

Overall: 14th. Out of every player in the NBA in 03/04. This year he is 33rd Overall, ahead of Ric ham, Ben Wallace, Richard Jefferson to name a few.

That is not worthless.

He doesn't work with lakers. Kobe can't pass and they don't need a high scoring forward. Put him on any other team and he will be back to those numbers.

he had one good season with miami, put him on any other team he'll put up numbers like he did with the clips around 15 and 6 per.

man you're breaking out some fucked up stats dude. still life, is that you hiding?

[Scott Weber]

the pistons are in such control of the east, they should be giving Darko more minutes with the way they've been beating teams.

[Caleb Cattivera]

the pistons are in such control of the east, they should be giving Darko more minutes with the way they've been beating teams.

exactly. he should get around 10 to 15 mpg, thats how you develop players.

[Emopunkthrice]

Well the Sonics traded Vladimir Radmanovic for Chris Wilcox. I think that was dumb on seattles part

[Talib Scottie]

Would you guys think the Pistons would be better off with Melo or Wade?

[Emopunkthrice]

Would you guys think the Pistons would be better off with Melo or Wade?
they wouldnt play much so no, I'm glad they got darko.

[itsjdiggity]

Darko has the rings

Lamar Odom is trash that sometimes smells decent

[Talib Scottie]

Darko has the rings

Lamar Odom is trash that sometimes smells decent
That's not a fair judgement though. Darko played maybe 3 minutes in the NBA Finals in his career, and they've played like 12 games.

[FondestMemory]

Darko has the rings

Lamar Odom is trash that sometimes smells decent

you can't judge darko by his ring.

even john salley contributed more to his rings than darko ever did.

[xearlynovemberx]

no.

if they make this trade, i think they have a shot at the playoffs, IMO channing frye>lamar odom. i thought frye was a joke at the beginning of the year, but he's had some big games.

the whole point of the trade is penny's expiring contract, that'd be 15 million bucks that would come off their books next season.

lamar odom is trash.

frye isnt going anywhere unless we get kg in return

[itsjdiggity]

That's not a fair judgement though. Darko played maybe 3 minutes in the NBA Finals in his career, and they've played like 12 games.

and I think he got injured during those 3 minutes

I was just messin around about Darko having rings

[Brownpants06]

man you're breaking out some fucked up stats dude. still life, is that you hiding?


Stats are stats, you can't make them up. Odom is playing well.

[LeftWideOpen]

i know. and if people are leaving games early because of blowouts at the palace, they'll announce darko is coming in and everyone rushes back to their seat and go crazy for the kid to come in and play 30 seconds. he's got the potential, you're right. he just needs a chance. it's the only move that the pistons have made in the past few years that boggles my mind.

....and hes now a member of the Orlando Magic.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2331049

[Ravenna]

you can't judge darko by his ring.

even john salley contributed more to his rings than darko ever did.
john salley was the shit

[xearlynovemberx]

god do i hope the knicks get francis..even tho the season cant be saved id love to see marbury and franchise togehter

[weezer182]

god do i hope the knicks get francis..even tho the season cant be saved id love to see marbury and franchise togehterthat would be my most hated backcourt in league :) i hope he goes there now

[Caleb Cattivera]

god do i hope the knicks get francis..even tho the season cant be saved id love to see marbury and franchise togehter

haha two of the most self serving pg's in the game...that'd be bad, but i wouldnt put it past zeke.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Stats are stats, you can't make them up. Odom is playing well.

he's not playing well, he's playing decent. he's an underachiever.

as for the stats you gave, he's not the 33rd or 34th bes tplayer in the leauge, that's funny.

i can think of quite a few players at the forward position i'd take before him.

[xearlynovemberx]

haha two of the most self serving pg's in the game...that'd be bad, but i wouldnt put it past zeke.

here are two supposed deal zeke has on the table

1. Hardaway/Crawford/Ariza shipped out and Watson/Martin/Lenard coming in

2. Hardaway/Crawford/Robinson for Francis/Filler is the deal we want but #1 is more likely.

the filler in that deal is most likely tony battie since kelvin kato is going to detroit

[Caleb Cattivera]

here are two supposed deal zeke has on the table

1. Hardaway/Crawford/Ariza shipped out and Watson/Martin/Lenard coming in

2. Hardaway/Crawford/Robinson for Francis/Filler is the deal we want but #1 is more likely.

the filler in that deal is most likely tony battie since kelvin kato is going to detroit

if the second one happened, the magic would've just raped the knicks. but zeke's used to it, wait...i think he likes it.

[xearlynovemberx]

if the second one happened, the magic would've just raped the knicks. but zeke's used to it, wait...i think he likes it.

the way i see it is the knicks get raped in both deals

1.denver kmart injury prone..bad knees etc etc watson seems like the only player who would play everynight for them

2.orlando gets the sg they need nate and pennys big expiring deal they really dont win either way

[itsjdiggity]

flip murray, chris wilcox, reggie evans, danny fortson, vitaly potapenko, rick brunson, bob hill, jack sikma, and a year supply of coffee for dwight howard

[Caleb Cattivera]

flip murray, chris wilcox, reggie evans, danny fortson, vitaly potapenko, rick brunson, bob hill, jack sikma, and a year supply of coffee for dwight howard

too bad he's not on the knicks! zeke would do it just for the coffee.

[FreshyFresh23]

flip murray, chris wilcox, reggie evans, danny fortson, vitaly potapenko, rick brunson, bob hill, jack sikma, and a year supply of coffee for dwight howard

haha thatd be money.

What are all these rumors about Ray Allen for? He just signed that big deal i doubt theyd try and ship him out so soon

[Caleb Cattivera]

haha thatd be money.

What are all these rumors about Ray Allen for? He just signed that big deal i doubt theyd try and ship him out so soon

allen or lewis could be traded actually.

[radiofriendly]

i hope Mark Cuban can leave the mavericks alone this trade season. i think we're fine right where we are...but then again, maybe they could get another big man for someone of that deep bench...still, probably not worth. not now that Mbenga is rocking the ri-z-im. word.

[weezer182]

i hope Mark Cuban can leave the mavericks alone this trade season. i think we're fine right where we are...but then again, maybe they could get another big man for someone of that deep bench...still, probably not worth. not now that Mbenga is rocking the ri-z-im. word.it would be a weird sight not to see cuban make a deal

[FreshyFresh23]

allen or lewis could be traded actually.

What is this, i dont have insider can you paste this?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?page=intelligencereport/060215&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.es pn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fnews%2f story%3fpage%3dintelligencereport%2 f060215

[Caleb Cattivera]

i hope Mark Cuban can leave the mavericks alone this trade season. i think we're fine right where we are...but then again, maybe they could get another big man for someone of that deep bench...still, probably not worth. not now that Mbenga is rocking the ri-z-im. word.

chances are it wont be anything drastic. the only trade being remotley discussed is van horn to the raptors for davis.

[Chriz2z]

What is this, i dont have insider can you paste this?
What part? Just Seattle?

[Caleb Cattivera]

What is this, i dont have insider can you paste this?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?page=intelligencereport/060215&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.es pn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fnews%2f story%3fpage%3dintelligencereport%2 f060215

basically lewis just says he wont be surpised if him or jesus is traded. or both.

[Chriz2z]

What is this, i dont have insider can you paste this?
The article espn insider was paraphrasing is here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/259556_vlad15.html

That's basically what it said.

[radiofriendly]

chances are it wont be anything drastic. the only trade being remotley discussed is van horn to the raptors for davis.

yeah, i heard that too. i love van horn. i hope he stays. he's got such a hot hand right now, too.