Is It Me, Or Does This Seem Totally Unreasonable?

[Jared Kaufman]

The RIAA says (http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php) ripping your CDs, that you've bought I might add, to your iPod is not fair use. So, that must mean a) there's no point in an iPod, or b) they want you to buy the CD again in digital format. Hmph.

Source: Idobi (http://www.idobi.com)
Note: You can read another article on this here (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060215-6190.html).

[silverloydstein]

wtf? that's just gay.

[ArTkY_]

wtf!

[UndertheTELE]

I have about 2000 illegal files in my pocket then hah.

[ArTkY_]

I have about 2000 illegal files in my pocket then hah.
Same here, heh.

[charbear]

yeah, so as much good as the RIAA is trying to do, its going to ruin the industry...

[elemenohpe]

then they should go after people who do that. gotta crack down. show 'em who's boss!

[Jared Kaufman]

I have about 2000 illegal files in my pocket then hah.
I'm currently at 5477.

[theOCEANFLOOR]

at this point i dont even care anymore. if you're going to arrest me, just get it over with already.

[Of Dust and Nations]

this is easily the most ridculous thing ive ever heard. am i even allowed to touch my cd's or even put one in a different case anymore?

[getupkid53]

Now my music files are illegal. At least it makes the child pornography on my Ipod look a little less bad.

[ArTkY_]

I say we force the RIAA to disband. haha

Or destroy them somehow.

[ArTkY_]

Now my music files are illegal. At least it makes the child pornography on my Ipod look a little less bad.
haha

[UndertheTELE]

Now my music files are illegal. At least it makes the child pornography on my Ipod look a little less bad.

hahaha

[ThatGirl]

I wonder would that mean they consider all the files stored on the computer illegal ripped from bought cds, and files on iPods. Which would totally be like 4000 files in my case instead of just like 2000. Because that would sound like something they do. And what about the cds i copy to keep in my car so i dont totally destroy the orriginal. Because I do that too. They should just go ahead and arrest me.

[MusicOrMisery]

I'm currently at 5477.

5522, I've filled my iPod, humph =(

[Shatter_Glass]

These guys are pathetic scumsbags, who's job is to be just that. Seriously, this is the same group of people who bust 6 year olds and grandmas for downloading music.

[ArTkY_]

I use my iPod as an external drive for my music too... since I'm out of space on my computer... noooooooooooooo.

[ArTkY_]

These guys are pathetic scumsbags, who's job is to be just that. Seriously, this is the same group of people who bust 6 year olds and grandmas for downloading music.
"Frank Sinatra this you hag!"

*slap*

It felt necessary.

[shermanology]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act

the RIAA's been at this for years, its just now getting press.

[xeightoh3xx]

After I buy a CD I could wipe my ass with it, its my property, so fuck the RIAA.

[CLARIFY THIS]

The RIAA says (http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php) ripping your CDs, that you've bought I might add, to your iPod is not fair use. So, that must mean a) there's no point in an iPod, or b) they want you to buy the CD again in digital format. Hmph.

Source: Idobi (http://www.idobi.com)
Note: You can read another article on this here (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060215-6190.html).

*Puts on Gob Bluth voice* Come on!

[snowtires]

hey everybody at the riaa, i hope all of your babies are stillborn.

[Emopunkthrice]

The RIAA should be happy I'm buying these cd's, and now you're telling me I cant put it on my mp3 player....screw you guys/

[TheNumberOneFan]

??? who is in charge of that shit anyway

[ReturningSunday]

hey everybody at the riaa, i hope all of your babies are stillborn.

is it sick or twisted that reading that made me laugh?

[[Brendan]]

It's going to get to the point soon that the RIAA will say that listening to your cd's is not fair use.

[statixo]

im just waiting for all of these guys to just start randomly disapearing.. because this is just gonna piss some people off enough that they will fuck them up. its getting rediculous

[Mathus]

maybe if over half of the new music being released wasnt crap, then people would actually want to start paying for music again and the RIAA could just shut the fuck up and leave everyone alone.

[statixo]

is it sick or twisted that reading that made me laugh?


well i laughed too..

[David Wooley]

they are never going to stop with these things

[Beyondclarity]

The RIAA is the most ignorant organization in the world, instead of embracing something that will undoubtley trascend their buiness, they shun it constantly.

The fact of the matter is once you buy a product you're free to use it as you see fit...

If I buy a CD and I want to burn it, use it for a frisbee or listen to it, I'm free to do so. I don't see furniture mfg's telling me how to sit on my couch. They're just happy I bought their product.

I'm to the point where I just laugh at all these wack ass claims the RIAA makes.

[twelve2395]

RIAA = Really Incestuous Assholes x2

[Sycro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act

the RIAA's been at this for years, its just now getting press.

Then their own act will come back to bite them:

"The act failed to define "noncommercial use by a consumer" however "In short, the reported legislation [Section 1008] would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use." (House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992)"

[Trainsaw]

oh its just that crazy RIAA again.

[preppyak]

is it sick or twisted that reading that made me laugh?
I hope not, because I laughed pretty hard too.

[Smithers]

The RIAA should be happy I'm buying these cd's, and now you're telling me I cant put it on my mp3 player....screw you guys/

exactly. next they'll say you can't put the digital music onto CDs.

[Salomonbz90]

the RIAA can suck my dick.

[Chemical Love]

Thats bullshit. I listen to my CDs through my iPod, I support the band by buying the CDs.

[NeverForever]

Give it time. The courts have to get involved in order to solve this dispute and determine how to interpret federal copyright statutes and the fair use clause. I just did a very quick search and there has been little appellate litigation on this issue so far (most of it has been focused on the issue of file-sharing programs). But I can't imagine that copying digital files for personal use would constitute infringment.

[fugitive_alien]

Wtf! that's just fucking ridiculous. They're just getting power mad.

This is a job for captain planet!

[justinevans]

so damn lame.

[justinevans]

I have a question. Can I write an e-mail to every band who's music I have placed on my ipod and ask for their authorization?

[oceanblue]

I have a question. Can I write an e-mail to every band who's music I have placed on my ipod and ask for their authorization?

good question... I bet half of them would tell youthey didn't care if you downloaded their music "illegaly"...

anyways the RIAA can suck it

[Elijscott]

*Puts on Gob Bluth voice* Come on!

That's amazing.

[aloneatlastnj]

this is easily the most ridculous thing ive ever heard. am i even allowed to touch my cd's or even put one in a different case anymore?

I bet the RIAA would make some bullshit claim that since you put a band's cd in a different case, it's doing a disservice to the band because each band's cd deserves it's original packaging. PSH.

Seriously, when is the RIAA just going to STOP?!

[wtfemokid]

ugh, i have no words

[Manbotisdead]

Excellent.

Excellent.

This is why people steal music, because of greedy people such as this.

[Drew Beringer]

hahahhaa this doesn't surprise me.

[heavyheart]

1. they have no way of monitoring this
2. it's already been determined to be fair use to make personal copies so they'll have to get part of that fair use or whatever act it was removed

[TheNumberOneFan]

do we even know what RIAA stands for

i don't

[rr_thecrowing]

I just find it totally ridiculous that the music on MY iPod, which I paid for (i.e., buying the CD and copying it to my iPod), might be illegal.

That's just completely preposterous. The RIAA needs to get a clue.

[we are cured]

I have a question. Can I write an e-mail to every band who's music I have placed on my ipod and ask for their authorization?

the fact that these bands usually sign their publishing rights away gives them little or no leverage in this matter.

but i mean, this is more good than bad. the riaa is a collection of top earning labels, with an incentive to keep earning by creating pop garbage. we all know that CD's are going away, and that this isn't a direct shot at apple and other mp3-player manufacturers because people are getting most of their songs through the internet. their strategies hae been questionable up to this point, but this one was right on the money- take away costs from CD production and protection software, and feed them into lobbying for an update of the AHRA and/or digital encryption research.

[screamoURI]

To the RIAA: Fuck you, come arrest me you old pompus pricks

[TheNumberOneFan]

"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it onto your iPod."

uhhh... so the people who OWN the music say its ok for us to put it on our iPod, but for some reason, the RIAA thinks they have the right to say we can't??

[Roboman]

I won't give a shit until lots of people start getting arrested.

[thewebguy]

sounds like moving the digital download to your ipod from your computer would be illegal too.

[whipcream4teen]

AIM == tyjeffdown
come download all my music

[Snails]

i illegally download all my music, so that won't affect me

joking

[Sureshot182]

is it illegal to hear songs on the radio? because i get those stuck in my head, sing them in front of people, and sometimes people hear them from my car. new law: you must only listen, talk about, dance to music in a private, blacked out, soundproof studio, with a lock with a strong guage of metal on it.

[Mercy Medical]

They RIAA can suck it as far as I'm concerned. This is retarded. Look what Metallica started so long ago... :shake:

[MrBaileySays]

wtf? that's just gay.

Hey Man!!! Gay is not an acronym for shitty.

[goddamngourd]

good thing i don't listen to music. seems like a good way to get in trouble.

[dumbcorey]

mmmhhhmm fuck the RIAA. i own the cds. i'll do what i want.

[handofgod]

good thing i don't listen to music. seems like a good way to get in trouble.
hahahaha. are you just on this site for the pictures of the sexy boys?
http://www.absolutepunk.net/image.php?u=1083&type=profile&dateline=1100905191

[jurzdevil]

soon playing the cd is going to be illegal.

[a hybrid]

seriously you have got to be fucking kidding me. see its shit like this that drives me insane.

i download music...but then im one of those people who if i like it you damn right better believe im buying the cd. For the riaa to say my 100+ cd collection is not right to listen to on my ipod is well...i swear to god they WANT PEOPLE TO DOWNLOAD MUSIC.

[TodayBledFate]

Just like I fucking download Surface Season 1, from iTunes, and then I find out I cant burn the show that I PURCHASED onto DVD's to watch on my TV, with a DVD player. So I am stuck watching them on my computer, NOT TO MENTION I cant even archive them and watch them on someone else's iTunes, because I need to AUTHORIZE their computer. I can only view them on 5 other computers than my own.

Does anyone know a back way around this, and how to convert the iTunes TV Shows to a format that I can burn and watch on a DVD?

[Tony]

Hey Man!!! Gay is not an acronym for shitty.
nor is it a synonym.

this shit is ridiculous, but does anyone actually think they're going to start suing people for putting songs on their ipods? the industry would be destroyed if they pulled that shit.

[1000shadesofred]

what a useless organization

[moonlightcape]

sounds rediculous. is this related to any statutue or law? the supreme court has to make some headway in defining what we can and cannot do. someone is being screwed, and i dont want it to be me.

[Saucey McRib]

worse than the lyric/tab internet ban and it can't get much worse from there.

[Katie Schmitz]

Well I own the cd; therefore I'll do with is as I please. Fuck you RIAA.

[aminorthreat55]

Guess what, the RIAA is completely wrong.

See: 1984 Supreme Court Sony Betamax case.

Ownage.

[Mercy Medical]

Guess what, the RIAA is completely wrong.

See: 1984 Supreme Court Sony Betamax case.

Ownage.
I say we do away with the RIAA.

[aminorthreat55]

Give it time. The courts have to get involved in order to solve this dispute and determine how to interpret federal copyright statutes and the fair use clause. I just did a very quick search and there has been little appellate litigation on this issue so far (most of it has been focused on the issue of file-sharing programs). But I can't imagine that copying digital files for personal use would constitute infringment.
It doesn't. This issue is just blowing smoke. The consumer has already won this case once in 1984 and if it goes to the court again, we'll win again.

[aminorthreat55]

I say we do away with the RIAA.
You should call them and give them one of your infamous angry rants.

[Mercy Medical]

You should call them and give them one of your infamous angry rants.
Hmmm, that may do the trick.

[wastedspacejm]

well I guess I'm fucked then, seeing as I made backups of all my cds before I came to school in case they were to get stolen. and then ripped them onto my computer. and then put them on my ipod. (read: the RIAA is bullshit.)

[_all_star_me_]

I'm currently at 5477.

i have 6730. RIAA blow me.

[davey]

this is all just bullshit.

i know more people with ipods than people that actually buy cds.

i support bands by paying $10+ to go see them play, and then buy a shirt and MAYBE a cd from their show.

i guarantee if you ask most bands you like, most of them would tell you that they'd rather you buy their cd, but if you want to download it, they'd rather you hear their music than not.

[imelliott]

i guess i'm carting around, 5,000 illegal songs and material .


lock me up.

[idobi]

It doesn't. This issue is just blowing smoke. The consumer has already won this case once in 1984 and if it goes to the court again, we'll win again.

They're not saying it's illegal. They've actually said that it's currently legal. The point of the article is that they're lobbying congress to attach a new amendment to the DMCA to make it illegal for you to format-shift. The courts (ie. Betamax ruling) won't help you when they go and try to change the rules behind your back...

[histrionics22]

I dont get whats going on. The music industry is a money maker. What the hell do they care what we do with the cds once we bought them. The labels are making money and I guarantee Apple is making money. This is ridiculous.

[Jentheoptimist]

They're not saying it's illegal. They've actually said that it's currently legal. The point of the article is that they're lobbying congress to attach a new amendment to the DMCA to make it illegal for you to format-shift. The courts (ie. Betamax ruling) won't help you when they go and try to change the rules behind your back...
How about while their out lobbying, we steal their babies in exchange for immunity.

[Blake Solomon]

Well, if they send us all to jail, at least we will know people. Most of us wont get to meet in person, without this happenening, maybe we should turn ourselves in and they will send us to a minimum securtiy prison and we can just chill for a while, with our C.D. players.

[idobi]

How about while their out lobbying, we steal their babies in exchange for immunity.

They wouldn't care. They can get more. First-borns are in their contract with the Devil...

[Shatter590]

this disgusts me. whats next, banning the sale of used cds? or even better, charging you every time you take one out of the library?

[TheUntitled]

So when are they going to outlaw listening to music? Anyone? Anyone?

[xearlynovemberx]

They wouldn't care. They can get more. First-borns are in their contract with the Devil...

you have a good point there

[Frank Giaramita]

Remember in middle school when all of the teachers would just make up their own rules on the spot to have an excuse to yell and discipline you? That's pretty much what the RIAA does.

[patrickhowell]

In short, the reported legislation [Section 1008] would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use.
House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992

[snowtires]

at least they learned their lesson back in the 80's, when they tried to outlaw dancing. i thank the good lord that he brought kevin bacon to us, just in the nick of time.

[Suchasucker]

I know quite a few musicians that would end up in jail too over this.

That'd be ironic. In jail for the same law that's supposed to protect them.

[Jason Tate]

The RIAA should be happy I'm buying these cd's, and now you're telling me I cant put it on my mp3 player....screw you guys/
:appl:

[Justan]

i don't care what they say or do i am going to keep doing whatever the hell i want.

[cris545]

oh please, that's pathetic, very pathetic

[aminorthreat55]

Remember in middle school when all of the teachers would just make up their own rules on the spot to have an excuse to yell and discipline you? That's pretty much what the RIAA does.
Haha yeah.

[SummerxStars]

what does apple have to say about this?

[Snails]

:appl:
it's my dream for Jason Tate to give me a hand clap one day

[jordan.mattison]

There is a huge difference in Fair Use and Private Non-Commercial Use. Fair Use permits uses of works that would otherwise be infringements, but which are particularly beneficial to the public/society. For something to be determined Fair Use it must adhere to these factors, they all must be considered.
1. Purpose and character of the use, including whether commercial or non-profit educational.
2. Nature of the protected work.
3. Amount and substantiality of the portion taken.
4. Effect of the use on the market value of the protected work.

So yeah, fair use has nothing to do with you making copies of cds you bought onto your iPod. That type of duplication is allowed for under the Audio Home Recording Act.

[Jason Tate]

Remember in middle school when all of the teachers would just make up their own rules on the spot to have an excuse to yell and discipline you? That's pretty much what the RIAA does.
I got in so much trouble for that sort of thing.

[zizou1790]

haha REDONKULUSSSS

[phoenixdown]

I'm guessing their rationale is that CDs can't be fileshared if they aren't ripped onto a computer, so they want to nip it in the bud that way...?

If so, that's like saying it's illegal to play a CD on a stereo system that has a tape deck, because you might copy it to tape.

(P.S. 5710, and all the people in my dorm love me for it.)

[shadowsstatues]

Some of you don't understand why they're doing. Allow me to clarify, in layman's terms. CDs are going out the window. Digital is in. This is a way for the RIAA to start banking on digital media as well.

[alcoholandirony]

bullshit!

[Adeniz19]

well if i'm screwed by buying cds i might as well just DL them all. I'm in trouble either way.

[Adeniz19]

Some of you don't understand why they're doing. Allow me to clarify, in layman's terms. CDs are going out the window. Digital is in. This is a way for the RIAA to start banking on digital media as well.that is bullshit. why produce cd's at all then?

[A picasso blue]

Now my music files are illegal. At least it makes the child pornography on my Ipod look a little less bad.
are we talkin video ipod? or just pics?

[Elfie7X]

Haha. I'd love to see them try. If this does go into effect, I most definately WILL get the music in digital format, but it most certainly will NOT be bought. Lol, I don't know how much more ridiculous this could get.

[storts87]

i guess its totally unfair use to listen to a cd in...say... your car and inside your home....so you have to buy seperate copies.

[Jenn23]

Isn't it "legal" to burn music that you've bought from iTunes onto CD's?

It does seem as though the RIAA is trying to do away with CD's completely. Fuck that, I still love and appreciate good album art.

There are real criminals (murderers, rapists, etc.) out on the streets that law enforcement should be dealing with. Arresting and fining someone for burning a CD or downloading a song really should not be made a priority, much less even given the time of day.

[screamoutmyname]

WHOOO I love buying things twice!

[DeathCabForCoon]

It was only a matter of time until they said this. Mark my words, next it will be "you can't play a cd so other people can hear it, because they haven't purchased the cd themselves."

[mattrussell1124]

i hate the man, bro.

[CarrieTheGreat]

this kinda reminds me of that one sprint commercial...
"its my way of sticking it to the man"
"but..arent you the man?"

[Ms.Jinx22]

I was just thinking it they can sue of all this crap ie illegal downloading putting your cd's on your ipod why can't we sue for false advertising when they put out a crappy cd? I wish I had the money to try it.

[kylekillspeople]

its official: the RIAA is run by Paris from Gilmore Girls

[Pat Brown]

I'm currently at 5477.I'm currently at 16,715. Only have 552 MB left on my 60 gig Zen Xtra.

[Rest_Easy]

fuck it, if I'm going down, I'm going down big.

[kyo_ichibana]

Well then.

This reminds me, wasn't there a post here some time ago where George Bush was talking about his iPod Shuffle?

Are the RIAA going to end up taking on George Bush?