MTV And The "Hardcore" Scene

[Ryan Imhof]

For The Sound (http://www.forthesound.com) recently wrote an article (http://www.forthesound.com/index.php?categoryid=54&p2007_articleid=80) on the "hardcore" scene and MTV (http://www.mtv.com)'s recent interest in it, the Number 12 Looks Like You (http://www.itsnumber12time.com/) also expresses their opinion in this in the article (http://www.forthesound.com/index.php?categoryid=54&p2007_articleid=80).

[Punk_is_Dead]

I am currently at Parkway North, a Midwest Missouri High-School, and the scene here is raving. Every "cool" kid has their new trendy 30 GB (OMgZ! their cool 60 GB!!) (Sarcasm) and they only spend 4 GB of the information. All of the information devoted to Green Day, Fall Out Boys (yes, i see it spelled like this more than you would believe), and Panic! at the disco. If you are really "cool" you listen to that new stuff by Hawthorne Heights. At this school.. the more bands you know, the cooler you are, and i hate it. I seen kids that have been chewed up and spit out by the MTV and VH1 scene too many times.. I am currently still rocking out on the CD player from 7th grade with Linkin Park's: Hybrid Theory. That is some sound rock. Just wait until their new CD comes out, the cool kids will swear they know every song by heart.. when really all they know are the chorus of "In The End." The scene makes me sick. But the Rap scene is no better.. featuring 5 songs at a time. (Currently: Grillz, Laffy Taffy, Soul Survivor, Shine on, And I'm In Love With A Stripper)..

Fact Is..

The Scene makes me sick. :p

[Punk_is_Dead]

p.s. New Hawthorne Heights blows.. really, old HH blows too.. Why did they even make a new album, or right, because Joe Cool bought it the day it came out! OmgZZZ!

[Nick Lopez]

Damn, that site is so cool.

The newsposters there are hawt.

[ACA]

http://www.lagwagon.com/lyrics/trash.html#3

One of the best punk rock songs ever.

-ACA

[Kid Dynamatt]

Yo, seriously, if I want an opinion on hardcore - #12 is definitely the band I want to seek out.

Wah wuh.

[robdobi]

i didn't bother reading the article on "hardcore" because i scanned it and all i saw was blink 182, mest, falloutboy, tai, panic! and the berlin project (gin and juice anyone?) mentioned.

[Punk_is_Dead]

you missed the point of the article..^

[SuperJoe]

I am currently at Parkway North, a Midwest Missouri High-School, and the scene here is raving. Every "cool" kid has their new trendy 30 GB (OMgZ! their cool 60 GB!!) (Sarcasm) and they only spend 4 GB of the information. All of the information devoted to Green Day, Fall Out Boys (yes, i see it spelled like this more than you would believe), and Panic! at the disco. If you are really "cool" you listen to that new stuff by Hawthorne Heights. At this school.. the more bands you know, the cooler you are, and i hate it. I seen kids that have been chewed up and spit out by the MTV and VH1 scene too many times.. I am currently still rocking out on the CD player from 7th grade with Linkin Park's: Hybrid Theory. That is some sound rock. Just wait until their new CD comes out, the cool kids will swear they know every song by heart.. when really all they know are the chorus of "In The End." The scene makes me sick. But the Rap scene is no better.. featuring 5 songs at a time. (Currently: Grillz, Laffy Taffy, Soul Survivor, Shine on, And I'm In Love With A Stripper)..

Fact Is..

The Scene makes me sick. :p

somewhere around "linkin park" and "that is some sound rock" i stopped reading.

as far as the article, it's true. kids used to spend no time getting ready for shows (with the exception of the few random oi/skin kids). now they spend 30 minutes. oh well.

http://www.lagwagon.com/lyrics/trash.html#3

One of the best punk rock songs ever.

-ACA

this is a truism. it was also on the best fat wreck sampler.

[pr0jectmayhem26]

i've been predicting that this scene goes mainstream for a long time.

this scene is a stereotype thanks to bands like hawthorne heights who sing "cut my wrists and black my eyes"

now everyone that listens to any music remotely similar to HH is labeled "emo" and they go home to themselves and try to cut themselves.

[crowquill]

this article makes me think of the Thursday show I went to see in December at Starland Ballroom in NJ. in the article he talks about You see them everyday hanging around your malls for hours at a time doing nothing, at shows trashing bands for no good reason. those "mall metal" kids. This was exactly the case at the show. these kids who would have never even heard of the bands they were going to see if it weren't for MTV or some other sort of media crammed down there throat. i grew up in the Jersey scene, its pretty sad what it has come to. at the show these were the same kids that trashed MWC after hearing them play ONLY 2 SONGS, which is ridiculous. show some respect. i don't think this post makes any sense, i'm still kind of inebriated from last night. dammit.

[youareallfreaks]

At this school.. the more bands you know, the cooler you are, and i hate it.



you go to ap.net high?

[crowquill]

pr0jectmayhem26 i've been predicting that this scene goes mainstream for a long time.

this scene is a stereotype thanks to bands like hawthorne heights who sing "cut my wrists and black my eyes"

now everyone that listens to any music remotely similar to HH is labeled "emo" and they go home to themselves and try to cut themselves.

i can't believe a respectable label like victory would ever sign a band like HH that has no musical talent whatsoever.

[btbam > you]

good article

[pr0jectmayhem26]

i can't believe a respectable label like victory would ever sign a band like HH that has no musical talent whatsoever.


thats not the only respectable label signing talentless bands.

it's awful.

just because you can put a few catchy power chords together and write some lyrics doesn't mean you're talented.

they are so many other bands deserving of attention than hawthorne heights, fall out boy, and panic at the disco.

i remember seeing a show at birch hill in jersey before it shut down.

it was

all rights reserved (local NJ band, talent, now broken up)
fall out boy
matchbook romance
mxpx (headlining)

this was around 2002
i remember leaving this show saying "that fall out boy band SUCKED"

soon enough half my friends listen to them, and they are on mtv.

[crowquill]

All Rights Reserved was a solid band. And Birch Hill was the best venue that NJ ever had. both are gone now.and yes i know victory isn't the only label signing awful bands, Drive Thru Records has been signing awful band after awful band since the turn of the millenium.

[pr0jectmayhem26]

All Rights Reserved was a solid band. And Birch Hill was the best venue that NJ ever had. both are gone now.and yes i know victory isn't the only label signing awful bands, Drive Thru Records has been signing awful band after awful band since the turn of the millenium.

im glad somebody else remembers them besides me.


and drive thru is just awful now.

once they signed socratic, adelphi, jenoah and hellogoodbye you knew things were going down.

what ever happened the jenoah? i know socratic put out a cd, i played with adelphi a few weeks ago, hellogoodbye is doing their thing, but i havent heard from jenoah in a while.

[dretti]

good article

yep, it was.

[Adeniz19]

Victory and "respectable" don't belong in the same sentance.

[tymsnurmn04]

im glad somebody else remembers them besides me.


and drive thru is just awful now.

once they signed socratic, adelphi, jenoah and hellogoodbye you knew things were going down.

what ever happened the jenoah? i know socratic put out a cd, i played with adelphi a few weeks ago, hellogoodbye is doing their thing, but i havent heard from jenoah in a while.

Hellogoodbye and Jenoah were signed, pretty much imediatley after The Early Nov. and Steel Train...both their albums were released in mp3 form on DTR website for free in 03', then released again about 2 years later in hard disc form making it seem like they were part of the new DTR

New DTR and RR sucks cause theyre trying to rehash the sound they were known for in 02'

Oh, and that was a horribly written article

[pr0jectmayhem26]

Hellogoodbye and Jenoah were signed, pretty much imediatley after The Early Nov. and Steel Train

no way.

the early november was on DTR a good year or two before hellogoodbye and jenoah.

[Blueskyburning]

hardcore? what?

[whipcream4teen]

I hate reading about all of this type of stuff. I just listen to the music I like and I go to shows and get up front and sing so I don't have to watch all the kids with black hair, girl jeans and eyeliner say made-up words and be annoying. It's really nice.

[tymsnurmn04]

I hate reading about all of this type of stuff. I just listen to the music I like and I go to shows and get up front and sing so I don't have to watch all the kids with black hair, girl jeans and eyeliner say made-up words and be annoying. It's really nice.
I love when people who don't know the words try to sing phoenetically...it's interesting

[forumreader]

i've been predicting that this scene goes mainstream for a long time.

this scene is a stereotype thanks to bands like hawthorne heights who sing "cut my wrists and black my eyes"

now everyone that listens to any music remotely similar to HH is labeled "emo" and they go home to themselves and try to cut themselves.

no offense man, but this "scene" has been mainstream for quite some time.

[pr0jectmayhem26]

no offense man, but this "scene" has been mainstream for quite some time.


not really.

how do you figure?

[theESCO]

it's really only a matter of time before it slithers back underground. like everything else, it's a cycle. in a few years all the bandwagon kids will go back to their nelly records.

[forumreader]

not really.

how do you figure?

depends whether you are talking about hardcore or this whole mashup of genres that this site covers in general. for the latter: even the "smallest" bands today are more well known and have more exsposure than even some of the more popular bands in 1999 ever were/did. but if you are talking just hardcore, then i somewhat agree. though i do not believe it will hit mainstream at anywhere near the level falloutboy/blink/greenday has.

[Burnout2888]

I love when people who don't know the words try to sing phoenetically...it's interesting
You know what's embarrassing? When you sing the wrong part. And I don't mean phoenetically, I mean like when you know all the words but for some reason start a certain part with a different line. I've done that before and I felt like I was being a bad fan.

[screamoutmyname]

#12 !!

[silverloydstein]

MTV leave us the fuck alone.. you bastards

[Kyner]

This article is so true, but Ap.net is so whipped by Pete Wentz that they'd never tlak trash about them. But I mean the #12 on TRL....

I'm pretty sure that Pete Wentz is trashed daily on AP.net it's God's way. After FUTCT went double platinum, Jesus got an emo haircut and started wearing eyeliner. This upset God and he has passed down the prophecy that Pete Wentz must forever be shit on by AP.net

[G.rex]

My only major problem with this article is that "hardcore" and "mest," let alone "panic! at the disco" should never be mentioned in the same discussion.


I agree that this "scene" has been big for a while now, and I agree that it will go underground again eventually. The music world operates in cycles - a certain sound or subgenre becomes the next big thing, every marketable band playing that kind of music becomes big, a bunch of copycat bands crop up, they get signed, and after a while the only bands left to discover suck so badly that people realize the genre is now a joke and move onto something else. A few diehards who remember the earlier days keep their ears open for the few new bands brave (and talented) enough to attempt the style even though it's unfashionable, and eventually the scene reforms to enjoy a few glorious years before it becomes the next big thing again and the cycle starts again.

[ETesdall]

I am currently at Parkway North, a Midwest Missouri High-School, and the scene here is raving. Every "cool" kid has their new trendy 30 GB (OMgZ! their cool 60 GB!!) (Sarcasm) and they only spend 4 GB of the information. All of the information devoted to Green Day, Fall Out Boys (yes, i see it spelled like this more than you would believe), and Panic! at the disco. If you are really "cool" you listen to that new stuff by Hawthorne Heights. At this school.. the more bands you know, the cooler you are, and i hate it. I seen kids that have been chewed up and spit out by the MTV and VH1 scene too many times.. I am currently still rocking out on the CD player from 7th grade with Linkin Park's: Hybrid Theory. That is some sound rock. Just wait until their new CD comes out, the cool kids will swear they know every song by heart.. when really all they know are the chorus of "In The End." The scene makes me sick. But the Rap scene is no better.. featuring 5 songs at a time. (Currently: Grillz, Laffy Taffy, Soul Survivor, Shine on, And I'm In Love With A Stripper)..

Fact Is..

The Scene makes me sick. :p

Don't loop Green Day into your whining and moaning, from the sounds of your age when dookie came out you were still sucking on your moms tit, chose other bands to bash on, but not green day. Dumb ass. Not to mention as well, that once you grow up and get out of highschool the shit you are talking about will dissapear faster than you can imagine.

[bsok]

This is a good article but doesn't really present any new ideas. The topic and what was written about has been the feeling for a while now, at least from my perspective. But good job on stating it on a solid zine.