The Official Toronto Blue Jays Suck thread

[mikeford]

someone come defend this horrible excuse for a team. what made them better? overpaying for an oft injured #2 or the fact that they have 2 outfielders and then a rotating blend of reed johnson, john-ford griffin and alex rios at the other OF position?

or maybe that they have 5 corner infielders for 3 possible spots (1b, 3b and DH)

great planning there.

[LeftWideOpen]

b.j ryan will end up being a bust too.

toronto looks like nothing more than a .500 team to me, although halladay will probably put up cy young numbers.

people just got excited because a team who never does anything actually spent money for once. it's like how people flipped over the tigers when they signed a couple guys last year. that turned out real well :shake:

[Brownpants06]

Toronto has got the champs this year. Thats my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

[mikeford]

bj ryan will be a good closer in the games they actually can win... but those will be minimal. roy halladay will probably be pitching all of those, because he is god.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Last year Toronto's Pythagorean record ( RS^2/(RS^2+RA^2)) was 89-73. Now of course certain things did not go their way, ie halladay going down, but if they were a team capable of this last year, you would have to think they can do better.

I'll say 87 wins because the two teams above them are stronger than last year.

[mikeford]

yo. they do not have a second baseman. aaron hill played a whopping 22 games at 2B last season.

yeah.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

If you want to talk about a team who sucks. How about the Pittsburgh Pirates? We haven't had a .500 team in 12 seasons.

[LeftWideOpen]

Last year Toronto's Pythagorean record ( RS^2/(RS^2+RA^2)) was 89-73. Now of course certain things did not go their way, ie halladay going down, but if they were a team capable of this last year, you would have to think they can do better.

I'll say 87 wins because the two teams above them are stronger than last year.

are you bill james?

[mikeford]

If you want to talk about a team who sucks. How about the Pittsburgh Pirates? We haven't had a .500 team in 12 seasons.

duh, but people arent picking them to win a division this year.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

are you bill james?
no, but I do have his "Historical Baseball Abstract" and "Bill James Handbook" in my book shelf.

yo. they do not have a second baseman. aaron hill played a whopping 22 games at 2B last season.

yeah.
yo. they have more punch at third base and a pretty good 2nd man in the rotation. Notice I didnt go as high as their Pythag record last year. I said 87.

[mikeford]

you cant play 4 (discounting aaron hill as their 2b for sake of argument) 3rd basemen at once though. they have to not play at least one of the shea, overbay, hinske, and troy glaus EVERY DAY.

[G-Unit]

let yankees and red sox fans join hands and cheer, BLUE JAYS SUCK

[ThriftWhore]

let yankees and red sox fans join hands and cheer, BLUE JAYS SUCK
thats the one thing they can agree on.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

you cant play 4 (discounting aaron hill as their 2b for sake of argument) 3rd basemen at once though. they have to not play at least one of the shea, overbay, hinske, and troy glaus EVERY DAY.
You play Glaus and Overbay almost every day, that’s given, and you spilt DH/1B/3B time between Hillenbrand and Hinske. Or, trade one now or during midseason to help out in other areas. Having these guys does not make them any worse, it actually could help them if they use them right. Also, Hill doesn't have to be a good hitter, Hudson wasn’t that great. As long as Hill plays good up the middle defense and gets on base, there should be no problem.

[hockey0001]

thats the one thing they can agree on.

that and hatred for Tim McCarver

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I cant stand that guy. I'm not sure who is worse, him or Skip Bayless..

[Flags of Dawn]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

at least when overbay is up to bat, there'll be something exciting to cheer.

[jimemos]

its been said that theyre going to give hinske every opportunity during the preseason to try and learn how to play in the outfield... meaning he likely won't be taking a spot away from overbay, glaus, or hillenbrand.

[Jesse2]

I cant stand that guy. I'm not sure who is worse, him or Skip Bayless..

skip bayless.

[Ratherbedead22]

they suck purely because they beat the whitesox in 1993 alcs.

[Emopunkthrice]

are the sox kids doing this because they are scared of them this year, or for what...there's no jays fans here anyway, so none standing up for them.

[bigmike]

someone come defend this horrible excuse for a team. what made them better? overpaying for an oft injured #2 or the fact that they have 2 outfielders and then a rotating blend of reed johnson, john-ford griffin and alex rios at the other OF position?

or maybe that they have 5 corner infielders for 3 possible spots (1b, 3b and DH)

great planning there.
the most overhyped team in the majors this year. they could finish with a worse record than the brewers.

but, beckett=burnett. so how can you ridicule the jays for getting burnett, when boston got beckett, who is always hurt and has similar, under productive numbers?

[mikeford]

uh. no.

beckett had blisters.

other dude had shoulder problems

big fucking difference guy.

[bigmike]

blisters aren't as bad as shoulder injuries, that's a given. but he's still missing games, and being slightly above .500 as a pitcher, like burnett. they just didn't over pay for him.

[unwritten]

The Indians are gonna win it all...

[bigmike]

The Indians are gonna win it all...
yeah. they'll beat the rockies in the world series.

[unwritten]

yeah. they'll beat the rockies in the world series.


lol

[Flags of Dawn]

i hope at least a couple of the players we (Milwaukee) got from Toronto this year will pan out. another starting pitcher would be a huge boost to the win column.

[mikeford]

blisters aren't as bad as shoulder injuries, that's a given. but he's still missing games, and being slightly above .500 as a pitcher, like burnett. they just didn't over pay for him.

beckett has a world series MVP though

burnett.... yeah.

[Flags of Dawn]

the most overhyped team in the majors this year. they could finish with a worse record than the brewers.

but, beckett=burnett. so how can you ridicule the jays for getting burnett, when boston got beckett, who is always hurt and has similar, under productive numbers?
a worse record than the brewers? so they'll finish just under .500? you say that as if you're referring to the brewers of years ago.

[bigmike]

beckett has a world series MVP though

burnett.... yeah.
oh. well let's put beckett in the hall of fame then.

[bigmike]

a worse record than the brewers? so they'll finish just under .500? you say that as if you're referring to the brewers of years ago.
no, i say that as if i'm referring to the fact that the blue jays are supposed to contend for the division, which they won't. so finishing around or below .500, or less than this year brewers, will be a huge disappointment for the delusional blue jay fans.

[Doug]

oh. well let's put beckett in the hall of fame then.

i don't think the argument was who deserves to be in the hall of fame, i believe it was who is better and more reliable, beckett was florida's no. 1 starter last year, burnett was no. 3. eat a dick.

the blue jays are not gonna be good at all this year. anyone who's saying they'll win the east is a fucking idiot. while talking about injury-prone pitchers, let's not forget halladay has averaged 20 starts his last two years. just sayin...

[bigmike]

i don't think the argument was who deserves to be in the hall of fame, i believe it was who is better and more reliable, beckett was florida's no. 1 starter last year, burnett was no. 3. eat a dick.

the blue jays are not gonna be good at all this year. anyone who's saying they'll win the east is a fucking idiot. while talking about injury-prone pitchers, let's not forget halladay has averaged 20 starts his last two years. just sayin...
I know what the argument was. I just think that beckett and burnett are both going to be disappointments to their clubs and/or get hurt.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

are the sox kids doing this because they are scared of them this year, or for what...there's no jays fans here anyway, so none standing up for them.
hm hello, what have I been doing?

but, beckett=burnett. so how can you ridicule the jays for getting burnett, when boston got beckett, who is always hurt and has similar, under productive numbers?
ya you’re right, they're equal....because at age 25 (which Beckett was last season) Burnett had started less games, pitched less innings, had more walks, less strikeouts, lower ERA+, and so on.

They may be the same pitcher now, but Beckett is 3 years younger and a ton cheaper.

Heck, i'll even throw out Beckett's first year because it was only 24 IP, and he still leads Burnett at age 25, except for maybe ERA+.

And while Toronto gave up their first round for Burnett, the Red Sox gave up prospects who probably wont be as good as Beckett at the age 25.

[bigmike]

hm hello, what have I been doing?


ya you’re right, they're equal....because at age 25 (which Beckett was last season) Burnett had started less games, pitched less innings, had more walks, less strikeouts, lower ERA+, and so on.

They may be the same pitcher now, but Beckett is 3 years younger and a ton cheaper.

Heck, i'll even throw out Beckett's first year because it was only 24 IP, and he still leads Burnett at age 25, except for maybe ERA+.

And while Toronto gave up their first round for Burnett, the Red Sox gave up prospects who probably wont be as good as Beckett at the age 25.
beckett has more games started, innings pitched, and strikeouts because he's played more full seasons by 25 than burnett. burnett made 27 starts 2001 when he was 24 years old which was 7 more than in his first 2 years combined. so of course beckett will have more innings, games, games started, and strikeouts than when AJ was 25 because he's played more ball at an earlier age in the majors.

they have comparable numbers since 2002 (when beckett was a big leaguer full time). you're comparing beckett's nearly 4 full MLB seasons before he was 25 to Burnetts 2½ full seasons by the time he was 25. the numbers won't equate, obviously.

if you throw out becketts first year, where he only made 4 starts, and burnetts 2003 season when he only made 4 starts: burnett has appeared in more games (110-102), started more games (107-99), has more strikeouts (642-583), and have about the same era+ (113-114). burnett was overpaid so, financially, the red sox have the better pitcher, yes.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

beckett has more games started, innings pitched, and strikeouts because he's played more full seasons by 25 than burnett. burnett made 27 starts 2001 when he was 24 years old which was 7 more than in his first 2 years combined. so of course beckett will have more innings, games, games started, and strikeouts than when AJ was 25 because he's played more ball at an earlier age in the majors.
If you throw out Beckett’s first year, they both pitched 4 years in which Beckett was better. And the fact that Beckett came up at a younger age, just makes him that much better. Burnett took longer to develop, and thus will lose those years.

they have comparable numbers since 2002 (when beckett was a big leaguer full time). you're comparing beckett's nearly 4 full MLB seasons before he was 25 to Burnetts 2½ full seasons by the time he was 25. the numbers won't equate, obviously.
Beckett has been pitching on this high a level for longer than Burnett, as you pointed out. While they're comparable in numbers, Beckett is 3 years younger. Imagine where he will be at 28 if he continues on his pace right now.

if you throw out becketts first year, where he only made 4 starts, and burnetts 2003 season when he only made 4 starts: burnett has appeared in more games (110-102), started more games (107-99), has more strikeouts (642-583), and have about the same era+ (113-114). burnett was overpaid so, financially, the red sox have the better pitcher, yes.
Burnett was 26 in 2003, Beckett has yet to pitch while 26. You're comparing seasons when im comparing age. Beckett was a better pitcher at 25 than Burnett at 25, and the same will hold true for age 26 and so on.

I see your point, but Beckett is 3 years younger and has the same numbers as Burnett at age 28. There is no question of who is the better pitcher.

[mikeford]

BURNETT HAS BEEN FUCKING HURT

HIM AND BECKETT DEBUTED IN THE SAME YEAR, EXCEPT BURNETT GOT HURT THAT YEAR AND DIDNT PLAY LIKE AT ALL

know something about baseball... please.

like i said, SHOULDER>BLISTERS

[NetNerdsRevenge]

know something about baseball... please.
Before you jump on our case, go back and read some of the things you post.

[mikeford]

Before you jump on our case, go back and read some of the things you post.

our case? ***** step back, im not even arguing with you. this idiot is saying beckett and burnett are the same dude.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

our case? ***** step back, im not even arguing with you. this idiot is saying beckett and burnett are the same dude.
:[

If I was black I think I would take offense

[weezer182]

it's pretty funny how pissed you are getting over this. not a lot of people are picking them to win the division and if some people are, who cares.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

it's pretty funny how pissed you are getting over this. not a lot of people are picking them to win the division and if some people are, who cares.
it comes with the territory.

[weezer182]

now im really hoping the blue jays have an amazing season and win the division

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I hope Bonds breaks his legs

low blow, im sorry.

[weezer182]

I hope Bonds breaks his legs

low blow, im sorry.thats not a very nice thing to say

[Emopunkthrice]

I hope Bonds breaks his legs

low blow, im sorry.
I agree, I wonder how his knees will be in a 15 years...if he's not in a wheelchair?

[Doug]

our case? ***** step back, im not even arguing with you. this idiot is saying beckett and burnett are the same dude.d

ahahahaha

[mikeford]

now im really hoping the blue jays have an amazing season and win the division

cool, now you have 2 teams you can get disappointed by.

u :madfire:?

[weezer182]

cool, now you have 2 teams you can get disappointed by.

u :madfire:? i dont expect much from the bluejays.