Remaining Living Legends

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

With the passing of Michael Jackson I've been thinking more of those artists still living that I am lucky enough to be able to appreciate while they are still alive. While it can be difficult to grasp the larger than life status of, say Elvis Presley, someone like Michael Jackson was actually culturally relevant during our lifetime.

Who do you see as a remaining living legend and why if not obvious?

Bob Dylan comes to mind. A man who can truly be called one of the great American poets and storytellers. One the likes of which Romantics such as Emerson called for. He's huge.

Prince? Paul McCartney? Jesse Lacey? You know whoever you think.

Discuss.

[Genuma]

Jesse Lacey? No. Springsteen, Costello, Van Morisson, Dylan, McCartney, Mick Jagger and probably more I'm forgetting.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Jesse Lacey? No. Springsteen, Costello, Van Morisson, Dylan, McCartney, Mick Jagger and probably more I'm forgetting.

Forgive me for what I had hoped would be seen as a clear joke.

All worthy candidates. Dylan and McCartney just stick out as larger than life to me.

[The Raine]

Bob Dylan
Eric Clapton
Chad Kroeger

A few others.

[Genuma]

oh, haha. i thought you were serious.

[whataclush]

Bob Dylan
Eric Clapton
Chad Kroeger

A few others.

:beaver:

[Takk...Ros]

Jesse Lacey? No. Springsteen, Costello, Van Morisson, Dylan, McCartney, Mick Jagger and probably more I'm forgetting.
Solid list. Maybe David Bowie?

[alexa_ATL]

brokencyde all the way.



no, but seriously - dylan and mcartney of course.

[xJesusFreakx]

Ringo Starr? Not the strongest solo career, but he's still a Beatle.

[micahistheballs]

Dylan to me is really the only one who seems to have that 'larger than life' quality not to take anything away from the other performers.

[CollectiveConfusion]

b.b. king is the first that comes to mind for me

[Genuma]

Dylan to me is really the only one who seems to have that 'larger than life' quality not to take anything away from the other performers.
Are you kidding me? The Boss, man. THE BOSS.
Solid list. Maybe David Bowie?
Bowies big and definitely is a legend of sorts, but I wouldn't put him on quite the same level as those others.

[heyzombiehitler]

Bob Dylan wins this thread.

[Rodeo]

Bob Dylan wins this thread.


TOM. FUCKING. WAITS.

[micahistheballs]

Are you kidding me? The Boss, man. THE BOSS.

Bowies big and definitely is a legend of sorts, but I wouldn't put him on quite the same level as those others.

the Boss is too much of a 'common man' of sorts to fit into this category. I can imagine him doing ordinary things.

TOM. FUCKING. WAITS.

You raise a valid point.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

the Boss is too much of a 'common man' of sorts to fit into this category. I can imagine him doing ordinary things.

Great point. When I eat breakfast I don't really think about Bob Dylan doing the same.

[Genuma]

the Boss is too much of a 'common man' of sorts to fit into this category. I can imagine him doing ordinary things.



You raise a valid point.
Like rocking faces every night? When was the last time Dylan put on a good show?

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Like rocking faces every night? When was the last time Dylan put on a good show?

Thats an absurd thing to say. According to posts on here, several nights ago he did so.

Edit: Although he hasn't done the Super Bowl.

[Rodeo]

Like rocking faces every night? When was the last time Dylan put on a good show?


Summer '82.

[micahistheballs]

Like rocking faces every night? When was the last time Dylan put on a good show?
You could ask the same question about Michael Jackson yet he was still most certainly a legend. Any number of bands right now are putting on good shows yet still far from legends.

[Genuma]

I don't consider a living legend a god among men. I consider them an artist who has CONSISTENTLY put out good music and reinvented themselves, which Springsteen always has. I'm not saying Dylan has, but he's definitely has had some duds. You could say the same for late 80s Bruce, but I think dropping the band for a while was a necessary step for artistic progression. They're back now rocking as hard as ever.

[Genuma]

You could ask the same question about Michael Jackson yet he was still most certainly a legend. Any number of bands right now are putting on good shows yet still far from legends.Yeah, but how many have been for over 30 years? Not many.

Thats an absurd thing to say. According to posts on here, several nights ago he did so.

Edit: Although he hasn't done the Super Bowl.
Oh, I don't know. My cousins went a few years back and said he didn't sound too good.

[Rodeo]

Neil Young > Springsteen

[micahistheballs]

I don't consider a living legend a god among men. I consider them an artist who has CONSISTENTLY put out good music and reinvented themselves, which Springsteen always has. I'm not saying Dylan has, but he's definitely has had some duds. You could say the same for late 80s Bruce, but I think dropping the band for a while was a necessary step for artistic progression. They're back now rocking as hard as ever.
While I'm a moderate Bruce fan myself, I feel much of his music can seem to run together and did have quite a dry spell from 84-02 with a few exceptions.
No artist in the history of popular music has released as many classic albums consistently reinventing themselves as often and over such a wide period of time as Bob Dylan. Albums from 1963, 64, two from 65, 66, 67, 75, 89, 97, and 2001 are generally considered to be great albums.

[micahistheballs]

Neil Young > Springsteen
I think I'd have to agree with this as well, but he doesn't quite have that iconic status that Bruce does.

[oddwithoutend]

Neil Young > Springsteen

Definitely.

[Rodeo]

I think I'd have to agree with this as well, but he doesn't quite have that iconic status that Bruce does.


Well, it's not good when I think of Springsteen I automatically think of John Couger Mellencamp too!

[heyzombiehitler]

TOM. FUCKING. WAITS.

Close third right behind lil wayne.

[Rodeo]

oh, btw... IGGY POP.

[Genuma]

While I'm a moderate Bruce fan myself, I feel much of his music can seem to run together and did have quite a dry spell from 84-02 with a few exceptions.
No artist in the history of popular music has released as many classic albums consistently reinventing themselves as often and over such a wide period of time as Bob Dylan. Albums from 1963, 64, two from 65, 66, 67, 75, 89, 97, and 2001 are generally considered to be great albums.
Yeah, but he drops off the radar for over ten years whe it comes to a good album. I'm way too big of a Bruce fan and am biased, but I do feel he's consistently great for the most part. He did the 80s shit, but he has so much more to listen to. Plus the part about Bruce is his live show. He could ouplay a lot of "living legends" in their prime right now. He does sporadic covers and has exclusive live songs that are all part of his live show that I feel put him at legend status.

[Genuma]

Well, it's not good when I think of Springsteen I automatically think of John Couger Mellencamp too!
I'm gonna fucking kill myself. Seriously.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Oh, I don't know. My cousins went a few years back and said he didn't sound too good.

Certainly possible. His voice is on the way out. I'm into going down with the ship though. He's that good.

[micahistheballs]

Yeah, but he drops off the radar for over ten years whe it comes to a good album. I'm way too big of a Bruce fan and am biased, but I do feel he's consistently great for the most part. He did the 80s shit, but he has so much more to listen to. Plus the part about Bruce is his live show. He could ouplay a lot of "living legends" in their prime right now. He does sporadic covers and has exclusive live songs that are all part of his live show that I feel put him at legend status.
Fair enough. As I'm sure you know, I'm a huge Dylan fan so our respective biases may be clouding our judgement haha.

[Genuma]

Certainly possible. His voice is on the way out. I'm into going down with the ship though. He's that good.
Yeah, he's not sounding too good these days. At least he's still putting out music and touring, though. The man could've retired years ago

[Genuma]

Fair enough. As I'm sure you know, I'm a huge Dylan fan so our respective biases may be clouding our judgement haha.
Yeah definitely haha. Plus only Dylan fans like to argue so I'm SOL.

Also, I've noticed the only time I really argue on this site is when it comes to Springsteen. haha

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I think the element of the live show is a fair argument for Bruce. The man really is unstoppable with regards to performing. I still don't see him at the level of a Dylan or a Michael Jackson but he can't be dismissed thats for sure.

[Genuma]

Bruce has put out more great albums than Michael Jackson imo. But again, bias. haha.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Bruce has put out more great albums than Michael Jackson imo. But again, bias. haha.

To be honest, even if I were to concede that I still think MJ was just mythic. If he moved the world followed. Add that level of fame to his musical importance and you have a larger than life legend.

[micahistheballs]

To be honest, even if I were to concede that I still think MJ was just mythic. If he moved the world followed. Add that level of fame to his musical importance and you have a larger than life legend.
Definitely. He was not just pop music, he pretty much personified pop himself.

[Genuma]

To be honest, even if I were to concede that I still think MJ was just mythic. If he moved the world followed. Add that level of fame to his musical importance and you have a larger than life legend.
Oh yeah, he is most definitely more of a world icon. I'm just talking album wise. Of course Michael kills in influence and hit singles. The man could've shit in his prime and it would be number one in a matter of days.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Definitely. He was not just pop music, he pretty much personified pop himself.

Yea, and honestly I think he still had it. All reports seem to say the rehearsals were going great and he looked great in the videos. The fact that those shows sold out instantly after 12 years absence and all the personal issues is just more evidence.

[micahistheballs]

Oh yeah, he is most definitely more of a world icon. I'm just talking album wise. Of course Michael kills in influence and hit singles. The man could've shit in his prime and it would be number one in a matter of days.
Regardless, Thriller and Off the Wall are absolutely amazing albums.

[deadkidsean]

Rakim. Because he's the greatest emcee to ever live and will be for ___ amount of years after he passes. No one is even close.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Oh yeah, he is most definitely more of a world icon. I'm just talking album wise. Of course Michael kills in influence and hit singles. The man could've shit in his prime and it would be number one in a matter of days.

Ha I'd bet your right.

[Rodeo]

oh yeah.... Elton John.

[Genuma]

Regardless, Thriller and Off the Wall are absolutely amazing albums.
True, but he didn't put out another consistent album after that. He just went for singles.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

True, but he didn't put out another consistent album after that. He just went for singles.

That seems fair. Plus Bruce made Nebraska.

[micahistheballs]

Rakim. Because he's the greatest emcee to ever live and will be for ___ amount of years after he passes. No one is even close.
No, you're wrong.

jk

[deadkidsean]

No, you're wrong.

jk
Just thought I'd throw a different name out for discussion. I assumed it'd get lost in the shuffle. :shrug:

[Genuma]

That seems fair. Plus Bruce made Nebraska.
Yes he did.

[deadkidsean]

That seems fair. Plus Bruce made Nebraska.
Source?

[micahistheballs]

Just thought I'd throw a different name out for discussion. I assumed it'd get lost in the shuffle. :shrug:
I've honestly never heard one of his songs, but I'll take your word for it.
What about Jay-Z or Eminem?

[jbaseball44]

Dylan
Waits
Reed
Young
Springsteen
McCartney
Costello
Morrison

Those are the ones that come to my mind

[Rodeo]

Sting?
Morrissey?

[Rodeo]

Dre and Snoop are the best MC's alive!



WEST COAST!

[micahistheballs]

Morrissey is such an icon already. It really confuses me in a way.

[deadkidsean]

I've honestly never heard one of his songs, but I'll take your word for it.
What about Jay-Z or Eminem?
See, both have beyond stellar back catalogs, but their effort as of late is so far in the dump that it just doesn't feel right putting them in the same breath as a Rakim, Guru, Grandmaster Flash, etc. Hell, I'd even go so far as to put artists like NAS and The RZA before Jay-Z and Em at this point.

[jbaseball44]

Stevie Wonder
Prince (not a fan myself but a lot of people really love him

[micahistheballs]

See, both have beyond stellar back catalogs, but their effort as of late is so far in the dump that it just doesn't feel right putting them in the same breath as a Rakim, Guru, Grandmaster Flash, etc. Hell, I'd even go so far as to put artists like NAS and The RZA before Jay-Z and Em at this point.
I'll definitely agree on Eminem, but you didn't like American Gangster at all?

[Genuma]

Dylan
Waits
Reed
Young
Springsteen
McCartney
Costello
Morrison

Those are the ones that come to my mind
I feel dumb for forgetting Waits and Young. But other than that and Lou Reed, my list. haha

[jbaseball44]

I feel dumb for forgetting Waits and Young. But other than that and Lou Reed, my list. haha
I didn't really read much of the thread til after i posted, just wanted to see which ones came to my mind without really thinking to hard.

[Genuma]

I didn't really read much of the thread til after i posted, just wanted to see which ones came to my mind without really thinking to hard.
Well it is an awesome list. ;-)

[jbaseball44]

Well it is an awesome list. ;-)
Well, you know what they say about great minds...

[deadkidsean]

I'll definitely agree on Eminem, but you didn't like American Gangster at all?
I did like American Gangster quite a bit, but for some reason (maybe it's just something in my head that I can't shake) I cannot think of it as one of his solo albums. To me, it is like a soundtrack for the film, hah. I know that it is an album and has a concept and is all new material, etc., but the way it was marketed and promoted, I just look at is a companion to the flick.

[micahistheballs]

Lou Reed's a definite contender although I have yet to listen to any of his solo work.

[jbaseball44]

What do you guys think about Wonder or Prince?

[Posthardcore]

Scott Stapp

[micahistheballs]

Scott Stapp
Hilarious.

[Genuma]

Scott Stapp
haha had to look that one up.

[jbaseball44]

Scott Stapp
Pretty funny

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

A lot of great artists that will be remembered long after their death but I don't know about Living Legend. Perhaps we need a better consensus definition ofthe term. I'm thinkng of people that I can't believe I'm living in the same day as. Based on that criteria my list gets pretty short. And Jay Z might be fighting for a spot ha.

[Posthardcore]

Ozzy, (Dani Gore, Allison Wonderland and Melissa Marie.)

[Genuma]

Eh, I guess Ozzy. I didn't really even stop and think about the metal genre at all.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I'd say my list is pretty short at the moment.

Bob Dylan
Paul McCartney

That may be it right now as far as whose a definite to me. Think of it this way, when these people die how big will it be. The deaths of people like Elvis, Michael Jackson and John Lennon are "where were you when" moments.

[jbaseball44]

I'd say my list is pretty short at the moment.

Bob Dylan
Paul McCartney

That may be it right now as far as whose a definite to me. Think of it this way, when these people die how big will it be. The deaths of people like Elvis, Michael Jackson and John Lennon are "where were you when" moments.
Those two are the upper tier of my list. I wish i was a little older when Johnny Cash died because i sort of remember the day when it happened but not like i would if it happened now.

[whataclush]

Maynard James Keenan, fuckers...

[MADSTA]

What do you guys think about Wonder or Prince?
I definitely agree with Wonder. Prince too, just less strong in my agreement.

[narcoleptic953]

Neil Young > Springsteen

No. Not even fucking close in any regard.

Yeah, but he drops off the radar for over ten years whe it comes to a good album. I'm way too big of a Bruce fan and am biased, but I do feel he's consistently great for the most part. He did the 80s shit, but he has so much more to listen to. Plus the part about Bruce is his live show. He could ouplay a lot of "living legends" in their prime right now. He does sporadic covers and has exclusive live songs that are all part of his live show that I feel put him at legend status.

Yeah, I've heard the Dylan shows these days aren't really worth the huge price tag, whereas Bruce shows are still as fucking great (or close) as they always have been. But then again, I'm also a huge fan of the Boss, have more or less enjoyed everything he's done, and think Born to Run is far far better than any one album Dylan ever wrote. And Thunder Road is the greatest song of all time.

I think the element of the live show is a fair argument for Bruce. The man really is unstoppable with regards to performing. I still don't see him at the level of a Dylan or a Michael Jackson but he can't be dismissed thats for sure.

Michael Jackson who had 2 or 3 great albums in his career? Bruce has had at least twice that. I'll concede that Springsteen won't quite ever reach the level of Dylan, but he'll at least equal Jackson.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

No. Not even fucking close in any regard.



Yeah, I've heard the Dylan shows these days aren't really worth the huge price tag, whereas Bruce shows are still as fucking great (or close) as they always have been. But then again, I'm also a huge fan of the Boss, have more or less enjoyed everything he's done, and think Born to Run is far far better than any one album Dylan ever wrote. And Thunder Road is the greatest song of all time.



Michael Jackson who had 2 or 3 great albums in his career? Bruce has had at least twice that. I'll concede that Springsteen won't quite ever reach the level of Dylan, but he'll at least equal Jackson.

I have to disagree on both claims. One is simply personal taste I suppose as I do not deem Born to Run better than Dylan's best. As far as Bruce matching Jackson in legendary status there is simply no way. MJ was and continues to be about as big as it gets. Even if the Boss surpasses him in number of great albums, when it comes to the title of a living (obviously no longer with MJ) legend I just don't think Springsteen equals Jackson or ever will. Once again, for better or worse I do not think that the quality or consistency of output is all that matters with regards to this topic.

[CellarGhosts]

TOM. FUCKING. WAITS.
Came in here to say this. haha.

[hailthewarrior]

Let's not forget...

Aretha Franklin
Cher
Madonna

[CellarGhosts]

Aretha's the only one I would really count. Don't like/care about Cher or Madonna at all. I suppose that's just me though.

[Anderson]

Michael Jackson who had 2 or 3 great albums in his career? Bruce has had at least twice that. I'll concede that Springsteen won't quite ever reach the level of Dylan, but he'll at least equal Jackson.:-d Michael Jackson was a pop music megastar. The only person I can think of who comes close to him in the field is Madonna. Dylan and Paul McCartney might also be thought of as living legends by a lot of people. No matter how much you love Bruce Springsteen there will not be the sort of coverage of his death as there has been for Michael Jackson or Elvis when he died. He may be a respected performer but living legend I don't think so. Just because you think someone's had a great career doesn't make them a living legend. When Ian Mackaye dies I'll probably sob into my non alcoholic beverage but the rest of the world will for the most part carry on as if nothing has happened.

[jbaseball44]

I feel like Madonna has gone downhill lately in terms of icon status.

[hailthewarrior]

Aretha's the only one I would really count. Don't like/care about Cher or Madonna at all. I suppose that's just me though.

Cher and Madonna are massive, though. Even if they're not as popular in our generation, their concerts sell massive amount of tickets still to this day (though, Cher doesn't tour anymore, she "retired").

[Anderson]

I feel like Madonna has gone downhill lately in terms of icon status.
Michael Jackson was hardly riding the crest of a wave, but people just look at his history.

[jbaseball44]

Michael Jackson was hardly riding the crest of a wave, but people just look at his history.
Agreed but Michael Jackson still was able to sell out 50 shows in under an hour.

[narcoleptic953]

I have to disagree on both claims. One is simply personal taste I suppose as I do not deem Born to Run better than Dylan's best. As far as Bruce matching Jackson in legendary status there is simply no way. MJ was and continues to be about as big as it gets. Even if the Boss surpasses him in number of great albums, when it comes to the title of a living (obviously no longer with MJ) legend I just don't think Springsteen equals Jackson or ever will. Once again, for better or worse I do not think that the quality or consistency of output is all that matters with regards to this topic.

Bummer. I can't even imagine ever liking a Dylan album more than Born to Run, but I suppose it's all down to taste.

:-d Michael Jackson was a pop music megastar. The only person I can think of who comes close to him in the field is Madonna. Dylan and Paul McCartney might also be thought of as living legends by a lot of people. No matter how much you love Bruce Springsteen there will not be the sort of coverage of his death as there has been for Michael Jackson or Elvis when he died. He may be a respected performer but living legend I don't think so. Just because you think someone's had a great career doesn't make them a living legend. When Ian Mackaye dies I'll probably sob into my non alcoholic beverage but the rest of the world will for the most part carry on as if nothing has happened.

If you honestly think Jackson was more of a legend than Dylan...well then there would be no point in me carrying on a discussion with you. Dylan is far more influential, consistent, prolific, and better (both musically and lyrically) that Jackson ever was or ever will be viewed to be. Jackson was a great performer and turned the media upside down on several occasions, but Dylan still surpasses him tenfold in legendary status.
Springsteen may not be the biggest living legend, but he definitely is one. He has one of the most revered catalogs in the history of rock and roll music and constantly sells out tours. Jackson hadn't been relevant musically in over a decade. Springsteen is still hugely relevant (although moreso with Magic and The Rising than with Working on a Dream). Born in the USA was one of the biggest albums ever (much like Thriller) and Born to Run is widely considered to be better than Thriller. I'm definitely not alone in thinking Springsteen is a legend.
The difference is that, while Dylan and Springsteen will be remembered primarily for their music and their enormous influence on rock music, Jackson will be remembered for his childhood fame, Thriller, and then his enormous downfall and the horrific accusations brought against him. Pardon me, but I don't think the second half of that adds to his legendary status at all.

[CellarGhosts]

Bummer. I can't even imagine ever liking a Dylan album more than Born to Run, but I suppose it's all down to taste.



If you honestly think Jackson was more of a legend than Dylan...well then there would be no point in me carrying on a discussion with you. Dylan is far more influential, consistent, prolific, and better (both musically and lyrically) that Jackson ever was or ever will be viewed to be. Jackson was a great performer and turned the media upside down on several occasions, but Dylan still surpasses him tenfold in legendary status.
Springsteen may not be the biggest living legend, but he definitely is one. He has one of the most revered catalogs in the history of rock and roll music and constantly sells out tours. Jackson hadn't been relevant musically in over a decade. Springsteen is still hugely relevant (although moreso with Magic and The Rising than with Working on a Dream). Born in the USA was one of the biggest albums ever (much like Thriller) and Born to Run is widely considered to be better than Thriller. I'm definitely not alone in thinking Springsteen is a legend.
The difference is that, while Dylan and Springsteen will be remembered primarily for their music and their enormous influence on rock music, Jackson will be remembered for his childhood fame, Thriller, and then his enormous downfall and the horrific accusations brought against him. Pardon me, but I don't think the second half of that adds to his legendary status at all.
Seriously. Saying that Springsteen isn't a music legend or icon is foolishness.

[jbaseball44]

Springsteen is obviously a legend just not in the same way Dylan is because of Springsteen's working man appeal.

[micahistheballs]

Bummer. I can't even imagine ever liking a Dylan album more than Born to Run, but I suppose it's all down to taste.

This is crazy talk, but oh well.

If you honestly think Jackson was more of a legend than Dylan...well then there would be no point in me carrying on a discussion with you. Dylan is far more influential, consistent, prolific, and better (both musically and lyrically) that Jackson ever was or ever will be viewed to be. Jackson was a great performer and turned the media upside down on several occasions, but Dylan still surpasses him tenfold in legendary status.
Springsteen may not be the biggest living legend, but he definitely is one. He has one of the most revered catalogs in the history of rock and roll music and constantly sells out tours. Jackson hadn't been relevant musically in over a decade. Springsteen is still hugely relevant (although moreso with Magic and The Rising than with Working on a Dream). Born in the USA was one of the biggest albums ever (much like Thriller) and Born to Run is widely considered to be better than Thriller. I'm definitely not alone in thinking Springsteen is a legend.
The difference is that, while Dylan and Springsteen will be remembered primarily for their music and their enormous influence on rock music, Jackson will be remembered for his childhood fame, Thriller, and then his enormous downfall and the horrific accusations brought against him. Pardon me, but I don't think the second half of that adds to his legendary status at all.

This isn't all true either. The second half of that most certainly adds to his legendary status. I think of his life as a Shakespearean tragedy in a sense. Jackson's every move warranted attention, which is more than you can about Bruce or even Dylan. Also, the way Jackson lived so extravagantly gave him such a larger than life quality which adds to the feeling of him being a legend. Dylan has that to an extent with all the mystery and constant evolution his life has entailed, but Springsteen lacks that. His public image is essentially the same today as it was 30 years ago, which is a man of the people. Sure, he's a music legend, but not a larger than life icon in the sense that Dylan or Jackson or Elvis was.

[fakejazz]

Ian Mackaye and Henry Rollins

V:

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

This is crazy talk, but oh well.



This isn't all true either. The second half of that most certainly adds to his legendary status. I think of his life as a Shakespearean tragedy in a sense. Jackson's every move warranted attention, which is more than you can about Bruce or even Dylan. Also, the way Jackson lived so extravagantly gave him such a larger than life quality which adds to the feeling of him being a legend. Dylan has that to an extent with all the mystery and constant evolution his life has entailed, but Springsteen lacks that. His public image is essentially the same today as it was 30 years ago, which is a man of the people. Sure, he's a music legend, but not a larger than life icon in the sense that Dylan or Jackson or Elvis was.

Couldn't agree more. I would never question Springsteen being important musically. But it's precisely the reason that he appeals to so many that keeps him from being a larger than life type of figure.

[DejaNew]

Bob Dylan>all the rest of the living legends

[narcoleptic953]

This is crazy talk, but oh well.



This isn't all true either. The second half of that most certainly adds to his legendary status. I think of his life as a Shakespearean tragedy in a sense. Jackson's every move warranted attention, which is more than you can about Bruce or even Dylan. Also, the way Jackson lived so extravagantly gave him such a larger than life quality which adds to the feeling of him being a legend. Dylan has that to an extent with all the mystery and constant evolution his life has entailed, but Springsteen lacks that. His public image is essentially the same today as it was 30 years ago, which is a man of the people. Sure, he's a music legend, but not a larger than life icon in the sense that Dylan or Jackson or Elvis was.

Well that's fair enough, although all that shit lessens Jackson in my eyes. And the top part is just fucking retarded because it's all opinion. Good job.

[thespearkid]

Bob Dylan>all the rest of the living legends
Not fair considering Bob Dylan > just about everyone.

[bradsonemanband]

prince, madonna, bob dylan, eric clapton, steven tyler, mick jagger... of them come to mind

[liar23]

Bob Dylan>all the rest of the living legends
:highfive:

[Genuma]

I wonder if Bob Dylan knows there's a website full of kids sucking his dick.

[narcoleptic953]

I wonder if Bob Dylan knows there's a website full of kids sucking his dick.

Yes, I'm sure he's quite grateful.

[micahistheballs]

I wonder if Bob Dylan knows there's a website full of kids sucking his dick.
He paid me to spread his goodwill.

[Genuma]

I don't mean it offensively. It's just when I see EVERY kid come in here and say BOB DYLAN > MOTHERFUCKING LIFE it gets kind of old.

[micahistheballs]

I don't mean it offensively. It's just when I see EVERY kid come in here and say BOB DYLAN > MOTHERFUCKING LIFE it gets kind of old.
He is pretty great though :shrug:

[Genuma]

Oh, well yeah. It just doesn't always sound sincere. I can tell some people, including you, are real fans.

[micahistheballs]

Oh, well yeah. It just doesn't always sound sincere. I can tell some people, including you, are real fans.
Yeah, I worry about him becoming like the Beatles in the sense that everyone just hops on his bandwagon calling him the greatest songwriter and what not without actually listening to his music or being aware of what makes him so great.

[x togepi x]

re: dylan v. jackson

I think it's hilarious that so many people are like "but dude, MJ didn't do anything for the past ten years so we shouldn't care about him as much as bob dylan". Guys, bob dylan hasn't put out a consistently good record since the 70s, plus he has more bad ones than good/great. meh.

[Genuma]

Yeah, I worry about him becoming like the Beatles in the sense that everyone just hops on his bandwagon calling him the greatest songwriter and what not without actually listening to his music or being aware of what makes him so great.
Exactly, that's what it's becoming like. It was the Beatles last year and now it's Dylan. I wouldn't mind if it wasn't just a namedrop.

[narcoleptic953]

re: dylan v. jackson

I think it's hilarious that so many people are like "but dude, MJ didn't do anything for the past ten years so we shouldn't care about him as much as bob dylan". Guys, bob dylan hasn't put out a consistently good record since the 70s, plus he has more bad ones than good/great. meh.

He's also had more great songs than Michael Jackson had songs.

[Genuma]

I think the billions of Michael Jackson fans now are bullshit. Where were they two weeks ago? I know he was still selling out shows two weeks ago, but there weren't as many fans. yeah yeah, they're honoring him but they aren't even really fans. last.fm's Michael plays went up like 500% this week I think it was.

[micahistheballs]

re: dylan v. jackson

I think it's hilarious that so many people are like "but dude, MJ didn't do anything for the past ten years so we shouldn't care about him as much as bob dylan". Guys, bob dylan hasn't put out a consistently good record since the 70s, plus he has more bad ones than good/great. meh.

Valid point, but what about Time Out of Mind and/or Love and Theft?

Exactly, that's what it's becoming like. It was the Beatles last year and now it's Dylan. I wouldn't mind if it wasn't just a namedrop.

It's clearly out of hand haha

He's also had more great songs than Michael Jackson had songs.

Same with albums.

I think the billions of Michael Jackson fans now are bullshit. Where were they two weeks ago? I know he was still selling out shows two weeks ago, but there weren't as many fans. yeah yeah, they're honoring him but they aren't even really fans. last.fm's Michael plays went up like 500% this week I think it was.

The same thing happened with general album/song sales on Amazon and iTunes. All I know is I'm fucking glad I bought my Jackson vinyl a week before as opposed to now.

[x togepi x]

He's also had more great songs than Michael Jackson had songs.

I'd hope so since his musical output dwarfs Micheal Jackson's. All that proves is that he's been writing longer.

Valid point, but what about Time Out of Mind and/or Love and Theft?

i have never been able to get into anything after blood on the tracks.

[Genuma]

Valid point, but what about Time Out of Mind and/or Love and Theft?



It's clearly out of hand haha



Same with albums.



The same thing happened with general album/song sales on Amazon and iTunes. All I know is I'm fucking glad I bought my Jackson vinyl a week before as opposed to now.
Yep, he made more money in death than he's made in the past 10 years. Kinda sad haha.

[narcoleptic953]

I'd hope so since his musical output dwarfs Micheal Jackson's. All that proves is that he's been writing longer.



i have never been able to get into anything after blood on the tracks.

This kind of goes against what you said above about it not mattering that Jackson hadn't done anything in a decade, but fair enough.
Still, putting MJ's best songs against Dylan's should prove that he is by far the better writer.

[micahistheballs]

I'd hope so since his musical output dwarfs Micheal Jackson's. All that proves is that he's been writing longer.



i have never been able to get into anything after blood on the tracks.

Crazy, I think at least 4 or 5 of those records are very good at the absolute least.

Yep, he made more money in death than he's made in the past 10 years. Kinda sad haha.

Is all that money going to help pay off some of his debts?

[x togepi x]

This kind of goes against what you said above about it not mattering that Jackson hadn't done anything in a decade, but fair enough.
Still, putting MJ's best songs against Dylan's should prove that he is by far the better writer.

how does it go against that? They're completely different.

and your second claim is insanely subjective. One who is a lover of pop music is definitely going to say Micheal Jackson trumps Dylan while any boring run of the mill hipster is going to pick dylan.

[micahistheballs]

This kind of goes against what you said above about it not mattering that Jackson hadn't done anything in a decade, but fair enough.
Still, putting MJ's best songs against Dylan's should prove that he is by far the better writer.
No one on earth will argue that Michael Jacskon was a better songwriter than Bob Dylan as many of his biggest hits (Rock With You, Girlfriend, Thriller, PYT, etc.) weren't even written by him. Jackson's legacy comes as a vocalist, performer, and dancer not a songwriter so this is a rather futile point to try to prove.

[thespearkid]

I wonder if Bob Dylan knows there's a website full of kids sucking his dick.
And he deserves every nut he busts.

[narcoleptic953]

how does it go against that? They're completely different.

and your second claim is insanely subjective. One who is a lover of pop music is definitely going to say Micheal Jackson trumps Dylan while any boring run of the mill hipster is going to pick dylan.

If it doesn't matter that Jackson hadn't been musically relevant in a decade, it shouldn't matter which one has been writing longer either.

And if you honestly think Billie Jean is a better song than Like a Rolling Stone and are going to call all Bob Dylan fans "boring, run of the mill hipsters", then I don't even know why I'm bothering with this response.

[thespearkid]

Didn't read the second page. I guess I get your point about Bob Dylan, as I feel the same way about Neutral Milk Hotel at times.

[Genuma]

Crazy, I think at least 4 or 5 of those records are very good at the absolute least.



Is all that money going to help pay off some of his debts?
It'll go to Joe Jackson's gambling debts or some shit like that.

[kemichels]

Dustin Kensrue, though he's horribly under appreciated..

[Genuma]

Dustin Kensrue, though he's horribly under appreciated..
First of all, no. And second he is not under appreciated. I have nothing against him or Thrice, but he's no living legend.

[x togepi x]

If it doesn't matter that Jackson hadn't been musically relevant in a decade, it shouldn't matter which one has been writing longer either.

They are two completely separate issues that can't be connected in the manner you're connecting them.

It's only logical to think a good songwriter who was writing longer would have more great songs than a similarly good songwriter who wrote for less time. l

And if you honestly think Billie Jean is a better song than Like a Rolling Stone and are going to call all Bob Dylan fans "boring, run of the mill hipsters", then I don't even know why I'm bothering with this response.

Considering that they're completely different songs from completely different eras for completely different audiences in completely different genres with completely different musical goals, it's stupid to compare the two and act as if you can say one is objectively better. Even then, it's weird, but some people like different things.

But notice, and this will require reading comprehension which you might like, that I didn't say "all bob dylan fans are boring run of the mill hipsters", just that if you asked one, they'd probably say bob dylan was better.

[softhands]

Burton Cummings.

[jbaseball44]

Dustin Kensrue, though he's horribly under appreciated..
Is this a joke or not?

[jtsnazzy]

What about Slash? I'm not saying that he is but he seems to fit the bill with a larger than life status. What about someone like Steven Tyler or Bon Jovi?

[E5CAP3 ART15T]

did someone say Madonna

[bradsonemanband]

did someone say Madonna

i did

[narcoleptic953]

They are two completely separate issues that can't be connected in the manner you're connecting them.

It's only logical to think a good songwriter who was writing longer would have more great songs than a similarly good songwriter who wrote for less time. l



Considering that they're completely different songs from completely different eras for completely different audiences in completely different genres with completely different musical goals, it's stupid to compare the two and act as if you can say one is objectively better. Even then, it's weird, but some people like different things.

But notice, and this will require reading comprehension which you might like, that I didn't say "all bob dylan fans are boring run of the mill hipsters", just that if you asked one, they'd probably say bob dylan was better.

First of all, if we're requiring reading comprehension, i never said that Dylan had more great songs than Jackson had great songs, but that he had more great songs than Jackson had songs, period. A considerably harder feat. But apparently you missed that hyperbole.

And fair enough on the second part, I misinterpreted what you said, but it was still a profoundly stupid point to make since you could say the same thing for "boring, run of the mill pop music fans".

[kianacarly]

I think the billions of Michael Jackson fans now are bullshit. Where were they two weeks ago? I know he was still selling out shows two weeks ago, but there weren't as many fans. yeah yeah, they're honoring him but they aren't even really fans. last.fm's Michael plays went up like 500% this week I think it was.

I definitely agree with this. I mean, I come from a family of huge Michael Jackson fans. My grandma has watched her Michael Jackson DVD at least once a week for years, and she went on his tour bus and always talks about how she got to touch his jackets and such, and my family would always play his songs at the BBQs and gatherings. My relatives found out that he died just minutes after paying fifty bucks to get into an amusement park, and most of them left to watch the news coverage, despite just paying a lot of money to get in. It's just weird that I've spent the last few years defending Michael Jackson from everybody always ripping on him, and now he's being held up on this pedestal as some kind of saint.

That, and I'm a little bitter that I couldn't see Third Eye Blind in Hollywood because it was too crowded with Michael "fans."

[Genuma]

I definitely agree with this. I mean, I come from a family of huge Michael Jackson fans. My grandma has watched her Michael Jackson DVD at least once a week for years, and she went on his tour bus and always talks about how she got to touch his jackets and such, and my family would always play his songs at the BBQs and gatherings. My relatives found out that he died just minutes after paying fifty bucks to get into an amusement park, and most of them left to watch the news coverage, despite just paying a lot of money to get in. It's just weird that I've spent the last few years defending Michael Jackson from everybody always ripping on him, and now he's being held up on this pedestal as some kind of saint.

That, and I'm a little bitter that I couldn't see Third Eye Blind in Hollywood because it was too crowded with Michael "fans."
That sucks so much. Sounds like you guys were really mourning.

[x togepi x]

First of all, if we're requiring reading comprehension, i never said that Dylan had more great songs than Jackson had great songs, but that he had more great songs than Jackson had songs, period. A considerably harder feat. But apparently you missed that hyperbole.

Yes, and then i said "of course he had more great songs since he wrote longer", then the argument started. It's not really that big of a feat when he was putting out an album a year for a long period of time. Thriller and Off The Wall are just as good as any Bob Dylan record. I mean, i'm sure you totally just downloaded like a rolling stone because your boy Heath was in I'm Not There but god, stop being a fanboy.

And fair enough on the second part, I misinterpreted what you said, but it was still a profoundly stupid point to make since you could say the same thing for "boring, run of the mill pop music fans".

I don't think saying "you shouldn't compare the two since they're totally different" is a stupid point. Of course you could say that, which is my point. There's no way to compare two artists who are that much different. it's basically like saying "apples are infinitely better than oranges and everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot", which is what you're doing.

[narcoleptic953]

Yes, and then i said "of course he had more great songs since he wrote longer", then the argument started. It's not really that big of a feat when he was putting out an album a year for a long period of time. Thriller and Off The Wall are just as good as any Bob Dylan record. I mean, i'm sure you totally just downloaded like a rolling stone because your boy Heath was in I'm Not There but god, stop being a fanboy.

I feel like you're still missing the point of what I was saying, but whatever. And Bob Dylan is the most prominent artist in my collection, so fuck you. I haven't even seen I'm Not There. And I would definitely say Highway 61 is far superior to either of those albums, but whatever.


I don't think saying "you shouldn't compare the two since they're totally different" is a stupid point. Of course you could say that, which is my point. There's no way to compare two artists who are that much different. it's basically like saying "apples are infinitely better than oranges and everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot", which is what you're doing.

The nature of this thread sort of encourages that comparison. And you were the one who started taking a shit on Dylan's legendary status, which is as undeniable as Jackson's, so I'm not sure why we're arguing.

[x togepi x]

I feel like you're still missing the point of what I was saying, but whatever. And Bob Dylan is the most prominent artist in my collection, so fuck you. I haven't even seen I'm Not There. And I would definitely say Highway 61 is far superior to either of those albums, but whatever.

I get the point of what you're saying. You're trying to tell me that Bob Dylan has more great songs than Micheal Jackson has songs. That's not impressive to me since "great songs" is a subjective claim and since Bob Dylan has been putting out music for decades longer than Micheal Jackson did. I took the subjectivity out of it by pointing out the facts: Bob Dylan recorded longer.

The nature of this thread sort of encourages that comparison. And you were the one who started taking a shit on Dylan's legendary status, which is as undeniable as Jackson's, so I'm not sure why we're arguing.

Please point out where I "took a shit" on Bob Dylan's legendary status. I wouldn't be collecting rare dylan records if that was the case. I just said the argument that Jackson isn't legendary because he hasn't done anything in years is dumb coming from bob dylan fans since dylan has recorded more bad albums than most bands recorded albums period.

and i don't think this thread encourages arguments over who's more legendary. it's just saying "who is legendary".

[narcoleptic953]

I get the point of what you're saying. You're trying to tell me that Bob Dylan has more great songs than Micheal Jackson has songs. That's not impressive to me since "great songs" is a subjective claim and since Bob Dylan has been putting out music for decades longer than Micheal Jackson did. I took the subjectivity out of it by pointing out the facts: Bob Dylan recorded longer.



Please point out where I "took a shit" on Bob Dylan's legendary status. I wouldn't be collecting rare dylan records if that was the case. I just said the argument that Jackson isn't legendary because he hasn't done anything in years is dumb coming from bob dylan fans since dylan has recorded more bad albums than most bands recorded albums period.

and i don't think this thread encourages arguments over who's more legendary. it's just saying "who is legendary".

"I think it's hilarious that so many people are like "but dude, MJ didn't do anything for the past ten years so we shouldn't care about him as much as bob dylan". Guys, bob dylan hasn't put out a consistently good record since the 70s, plus he has more bad ones than good/great. meh."

I think it's hilarious that you keep bringing up subjectivity, yet these parts are jam packed with it. I wouldn't call any of them "bad" records either, but that's opinion too. And nobody ever said that Jackson wasn't a legend, just that he was not the biggest one ever or the last remaining legend at the time of his death.

Also, asking "Who is legendary?" will inevitably spark conversation on who is more legendary.

[x togepi x]

"I think it's hilarious that so many people are like "but dude, MJ didn't do anything for the past ten years so we shouldn't care about him as much as bob dylan". Guys, bob dylan hasn't put out a consistently good record since the 70s, plus he has more bad ones than good/great. meh."

Please point out in that quote where I said Bob Dylan wasn't legendary, dumbass. It's a fairly standard opinion that dylan has put out a lot of bad albums.

I think it's hilarious that you keep bringing up subjectivity, yet these parts are jam packed with it. I wouldn't call any of them "bad" records either, but that's opinion too. And nobody ever said that Jackson wasn't a legend, just that he was not the biggest one ever or the last remaining legend at the time of his death.

Of course there's subjectivity there, but I wasn't using it to say X is better than Y. I was merely giving perspective to the lack of good Micheal Jackson records in the past ten years. You're the one trying to say Bob Dylan wins out based purely on subjectivity.

Also, asking "Who is legendary?" will inevitably spark conversation on who is more legendary.

It doesn't have to, and it shouldn't since different kinds of music are too different to compare.

[c_rob2700]

If Bob Dylan did ever know about this website and/or read this thread, he'd shame you all for not mentioning Chuck Berry

[fenderrock89]

Just trying and throw someone out there who hasn't been named, maybe Jack White? Might not be a "living legend" right now, but he's pretty great. I mean he's more of a living legend than Dustin Kensrue at least, who someone else mentioned (whose music I really like)

But of those mentioned.. The only bands/artists I can see being considered one are Jackson, Dylan, and Springsteen.

[narcoleptic953]

Please point out in that quote where I said Bob Dylan wasn't legendary, dumbass. It's a fairly standard opinion that dylan has put out a lot of bad albums.



Of course there's subjectivity there, but I wasn't using it to say X is better than Y. I was merely giving perspective to the lack of good Micheal Jackson records in the past ten years. You're the one trying to say Bob Dylan wins out based purely on subjectivity.



It doesn't have to, and it shouldn't since different kinds of music are too different to compare.

I never said that either, but you seem content to approximate the meaning of what I say. Jesus Christ, I'm done with this. It's fairly standard opinion that Dylan has been more influential and "greater" than Jackson as well, but fuck it.

Don't even bother responding to this, I'm not going to carry on an argument with you anymore.

[Siren Silently]

Has anyone said Morrisey yet?

[x togepi x]

I never said that either, but you seem content to approximate the meaning of what I say. Jesus Christ, I'm done with this. It's fairly standard opinion that Dylan has been more influential and "greater" than Jackson as well, but fuck it.

Don't even bother responding to this, I'm not going to carry on an argument with you anymore.

I said "point out to me where I did that"
You then randomly post a quote of mine. It's logical to assume that you were trying to do so.

and it's not a standard opinion that Dylan is more influential than Jackson. I don't think anyone actually thinks that since, you know, Jackson was the first black artist to be on MTV prominently, has the highest selling album of all time etc. and even then, their influence is incomparable because they play different music for different people.

You're just a pissed off Dylan fanboy who can't make decent arguments.

[narcoleptic953]

I said "point out to me where I did that"
You then randomly post a quote of mine. It's logical to assume that you were trying to do so.

and it's not a standard opinion that Dylan is more influential than Jackson. I don't think anyone actually thinks that since, you know, Jackson was the first black artist to be on MTV prominently, has the highest selling album of all time etc. and even then, their influence is incomparable because they play different music for different people.

You're just a pissed off Dylan fanboy who can't make decent arguments.

What part of "don't bother responding to this" did you not fucking understand?

And album sales does not equal influence. Even if it did, The Eagles greatest hits still sold more than Thriller, but nobody is talking about them.

Dylan was essentially the originator of protest rock, and his 60's work arguably played a part in ending the Vietnam war. Without Dylan, The Beatles may never have even reached the heights they did in the second half of their career, and without those albums, the entire landscape of music history would be completely different. The sheer number of artists influenced by him, either directly or through other artists he influenced, is arguably larger than for any other artist.

I'm not denying that the music world wouldn't be different without Jackson, but I think it would be foolish to say that he had a wider range of influence than Dylan.

[c_rob2700]

Ironic, considering you just responded to him again

[ThisIsNotDan]

Bob Dylan is extremely legendary no doubt, but there is no way he is as legendary as Michael Jackson. not even sure why that is debatable

[x togepi x]

What part of "don't bother responding to this" did you not fucking understand?

who are you, my dad?

[x togepi x]

Bob Dylan is extremely legendary no doubt, but there is no way he is as legendary as Michael Jackson. not even sure why that is debatable

because people don't know anything about music and it's cool to think bob dylan is the greatest person ever to pick up a guitar.

[ThisIsNotDan]

because people don't know anything about music and it's cool to think bob dylan is the greatest person ever to pick up a guitar.

it's really just silly. it's as if Michael Jackson gets written off because he sings "silly pop songs" and Bob Dylan doesn't because he plays guitar and writes deep and meaningful lyrics. I mean Dylan is an incredible writer, but most music fans would agree that Jackson is more legendary and larger than life

[x togepi x]

it's really just silly. it's as if Michael Jackson gets written off because he sings "silly pop songs" and Bob Dylan doesn't because he plays guitar and writes deep and meaningful lyrics. I mean Dylan is an incredible writer, but most music fans would agree that Jackson is more legendary and larger than life

i think any comparison between the two is dumb but i'm so tired of hearing how great bob dylan is.

[narcoleptic953]

Maybe I have a different idea of what "legendary" means than all of you.

[c_rob2700]

it's really just silly. it's as if Michael Jackson gets written off because he sings "silly pop songs" and Bob Dylan doesn't because he plays guitar and writes deep and meaningful lyrics. I mean Dylan is an incredible writer, but most music fans would agree that Jackson is more legendary and larger than life
I don't think that Michael Jackson is UNARGUABLY more of a legend than Dylan, I think there is indeed a legit argument that could be made but to toss Jackson aside because of the nature of his songs is silly.

[eliselovesmusic]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee130/StarDust81/Pete%20Wentz/thpete149.jpg

[micahistheballs]

This thread has made me feel like such a dumbass for loving Dylan as much as I do haha. He truly has become the Beatles 2.0 in terms of namedropping.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Dylan. Just saw him a few nights ago. Incredible.

[duhpunk]

Tupac.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I think MJ is the standard. I'm not concerned with who is better and I agree with togepi that the two shouldn't be compared. The point is Mchael Jackson didn't even seem human. He was that famous and mythic.

There are many influential musicians that don't belong on the list. They may be great or important musically but it doesn't make the legendary in the way that Michael and Elvis were / are.

I really don't know if there will be anything that ever comes close to the phenomena that is / was Michael Jackson.

Also I think it should be noted that no one will remember Jack White in 15 years.

[as_we_learn]

:nono: http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee130/StarDust81/Pete%20Wentz/thpete149.jpg

:nono:

[drzafs]

I'm thinking Neil Peart. Anyone else agree?

[murrich]

Bruce Springsteen
Mick Jagger
Lou Reed
Bob Dylan
Leonard Cohen
David Eugene Edwards, haha.

[micahistheballs]

I think that by using the definition of legendary as someone who seems larger than life, I'd think that Keith Richards would have to be considered more 'legendary' than Mick Jagger.

[x togepi x]

This thread has made me feel like such a dumbass for loving Dylan as much as I do haha. He truly has become the Beatles 2.0 in terms of namedropping.

you don't count.

what i'm referring to is people who hang out at my house and say "dude play one of your dylan record's it's better than (whatever i was listening to)" every time i play a record.

[El_Jeffe]

there is a lot of musical living legends, some have been mentioned in this thread, many have not been yet however. although if you're talking in terms of michael jackson, no one compares... seriously. in terms of the complete fame package that he was... no one comes close

also, all the people saying michael jackson had about 2 consistent albums... so wrong. have you guys actually heard anything post thriller? & no i'm not one of those "johnny-come-lately" fans

[Paulb-182]

Are you kidding me? The Boss, man. THE BOSS.

Bowies big and definitely is a legend of sorts, but I wouldn't put him on quite the same level as those others.

Bowie is much more of a legend than Bruce Springsteen thats for sure

[nlo13]

I'm thinking Neil Peart. Anyone else agree?

I do.

Also, Billy Joel.

[murrich]

I think that by using the definition of legendary as someone who seems larger than life, I'd think that Keith Richards would have to be considered more 'legendary' than Mick Jagger.

I guess so, I still think Mick Jagger is up there though.

[xtheaudition]

tom delonge
mark hoppus
travis barker
:-d

[narcoleptic953]

Bowie is much more of a legend than Bruce Springsteen thats for sure

No.

[bard]

bowie IS better than springsteen. springsteen is just a really popular old guy playing radio rock. at least bowie did something different and interesting.

i wish we could add freddie mercury onto this list of living legends, dude left WAY too soon. true music genious.

there aren't many others i care about...

[williek311]

Eric Clapton
Paul Simon
Chuck D

[murrich]

bowie IS better than springsteen. springsteen is just a really popular old guy playing radio rock. at least bowie did something different and interesting.

i wish we could add freddie mercury onto this list of living legends, dude left WAY too soon. true music genious.

there aren't many others i care about...


Comparing Springsteen and Bowie is just stupid, they are both legends in their own right.

Saying Bruce Springsteen is just really popular radio rock proves you have no idea about him or his music.

[bard]

or i just don't like his music because it's boring radio rock. it's just my opinion dude

[jbaseball44]

If you don't think Springsteen has talent or that he is just boring radio rock, i suggest listening to Nebraska

[Paulb-182]

No.

Silly..

[narcoleptic953]

Silly..

I bet way way way more people know a Springsteen song than a Bowie song.

[narcoleptic953]

bowie IS better than springsteen. springsteen is just a really popular old guy playing radio rock. at least bowie did something different and interesting.

i wish we could add freddie mercury onto this list of living legends, dude left WAY too soon. true music genious.

there aren't many others i care about...

This is the stupidest thing I've heard all year.

[bard]

sorry guys, his music is just uninteresting.

[jbaseball44]

This is the stupidest thing I've heard all year.
Certainly in the running for the stupidest thing i've heard all year. Sure Springsteen isn't as talented as a Neil Young or as influential as a Dylan. But to say Springsteen is an old guy playing radio-rock is just ignorant and more importantly, wrong.

[Paulb-182]

I bet way way way more people know a Springsteen song than a Bowie song.

Born In The USA.. I guess yes a lot of people know that song.

But if more people don't know Heroes, The Man Who Sold The World, Changes and Starman I'd be amazed

[narcoleptic953]

sorry guys, his music is just uninteresting.

Nebraska, Born to Run, Darkness on the Edge of Town, and probably a few others are probably better albums than anything you'd consider "interesting". Seriously, if you're judging on Working on a Dream, just shut the fuck up.

Born In The USA.. I guess yes a lot of people know that song.

But if more people don't know Heroes, The Man Who Sold The World, Changes and Starman I'd be amazed

Hell, I'd be willing to guarantee more people know Born in the USA and Born to Run than any of those songs, so I don't know what world you're living in.

[jbaseball44]

Born In The USA.. I guess yes a lot of people know that song.

But if more people don't know Heroes, The Man Who Sold The World, Changes and Starman I'd be amazed
Born In the USA, Born to Run, Glory Days, Badlands, Dancing In the Dark, Rosalita, Blinded by the Light. I am pretty sure more people know Springsteen, probably because of his working man appeal. Not to say that Bowie isn't a great artist, i love him, but in terms of overall popularity i would certainly have to go with Bruce.

[narcoleptic953]

Certainly in the running for the stupidest thing i've heard all year. Sure Springsteen isn't as talented as a Neil Young or as influential as a Dylan. But to say Springsteen is an old guy playing radio-rock is just ignorant and more importantly, wrong.

I've never heard anyone say that. It's one of the most ignorant and appalling things I've ever heard anyone say about anything music.

[jbaseball44]

How could anyone say that Atlantic City, Johnny 99, Mansion on the Hill, or Highway Patrolman off of Nebraska are uninteresting?

[bard]

jeez, get off his nuts guys. every single song i've heard by him is just boring rock. who cares if i don't agree with you or not? just because he's popular doesn't mean he's that important.

[narcoleptic953]

How could anyone say that Atlantic City, Johnny 99, Mansion on the Hill, or Highway Patrolman off of Nebraska are uninteresting?

It's probably fairly easy to say if you've never listened to the album. Otherwise, I have no idea.

[narcoleptic953]

jeez, get off his nuts guys. every single song i've heard by him is just boring rock. who cares if i don't agree with you or not? just because he's popular doesn't mean he's that important.

This is just stupid. Of course he's important. To deny that screams ignorance, even if you don't appreciate his music.

[Paulb-182]

Hell, I'd be willing to guarantee more people know Born in the USA and Born to Run than any of those songs, so I don't know what world you're living in.

Born In the USA, Born to Run, Glory Days, Badlands, Dancing In the Dark, Rosalita, Blinded by the Light. I am pretty sure more people know Springsteen, probably because of his working man appeal. Not to say that Bowie isn't a great artist, i love him, but in terms of overall popularity i would certainly have to go with Bruce.

Springsteen has little to no mainstream appeal over in England. He plays big shows and his albums get bought.. but they are usually played to middle aged people and bought by middle aged people. This current spate of interest is from him playing Glastonbury, and I can't say that him playing there would come close to the amount of attention a headline set from Bowie would create.

Oh and from that list I only know Born In The USA (his biggest hit and he didn't even do it at Glastonbury but played that turd from his new album Outlaw Pete) Born To Run and Dancing In The Dark and I only know the last two from actually looking to listen to him myself, not from generally hearing the song on the radio/TV

[jbaseball44]

It's probably fairly easy to say if you've never listened to the album. Otherwise, I have no idea.
I guess that's the only way one could make that statement.

[jbaseball44]

Springsteen has little to no mainstream appeal over in England. He plays big shows and his albums get bought.. but they are usually played to middle aged people and bought by middle aged people. This current spate of interest is from him playing Glastonbury, and I can't say that him playing there would come close to the amount of attention a headline set from Bowie would create.

Oh and from that list I only know Born In The USA (his biggest hit and he didn't even do it at Glastonbury but played that turd from his new album Outlaw Pete) Born To Run and Dancing In The Dark and I only know the last two from actually looking to listen to him myself, not from generally hearing the song on the radio/TV
I don't listen to the Radio, American radio stations are worthless. I was just naming songs that most people i know, that aren't even big fans, know of his.

[Paulb-182]

I don't listen to the Radio, American radio stations are worthless. I was just naming songs that most people i know, that aren't even big fans, know of his.

I'm just saying when it comes to Legends literally everyone tends to know more than just a couple of songs from them. The Beatles, Jackson and Elvis

[narcoleptic953]

I'm just saying when it comes to Legends literally everyone tends to know more than just a couple of songs from them. The Beatles, Jackson and Elvis

Well everyone in America seems to know all of those songs. Not sure about over there.

[bard]

popularity =/= legend

[CellarGhosts]

jeez, get off his nuts guys. every single song i've heard by him is just boring rock. who cares if i don't agree with you or not? just because he's popular doesn't mean he's that important.
Of course he's important, he's arguably one of the most influential songwriters ever. I can already tell you've listened to maybe 10 of his songs in your life, if even that many.

[narcoleptic953]

popularity =/= legend

You have yet to give a decent reason for why Bruce isn't a legend.

[gloriousmuse]

I'm going to just say Madonna, cause I love pop music and her.

[bard]

You have yet to give a decent reason for why Bruce isn't a legend.
music legends are legendary for doing something new and different, and making it amazing and influential, which he hasn't. most legends in music are the beatles, dylan, etc... i've never heard anything by bruce springsteen that makes me think, "man, this guy is a legend"

he's just boring to me, get over it.

[narcoleptic953]

music legends are legendary for doing something new and different, and making it amazing and influential, which he hasn't. most legends in music are the beatles, dylan, etc... i've never heard anything by bruce springsteen that makes me think, "man, this guy is a legend"

he's just boring to me, get over it.

Well if you can only become legendary for doing something new, I guess we're fucked because there aren't going be anymore legends? Give me a fucking break. Bruce is a legend for delivering a slew of the greatest records and songs of all time, for being one of the best live performers of all time, and for reinventing his sound several times while still staying true to his fans. His music and his everyman image appeals to tons of people because they can relate to it. You don't earn a title like "The Boss" without becoming a legend. He is a rock legend, that much is fucking undeniable. He may not be as significant as Dylan or the Beatles (which I've already conceded), but if you denying his significance is fucking stupid, even if you don't get it.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

music legends are legendary for doing something new and different, and making it amazing and influential, which he hasn't. most legends in music are the beatles, dylan, etc... i've never heard anything by bruce springsteen that makes me think, "man, this guy is a legend"

he's just boring to me, get over it.

I wouldn't put either Bowie or The Boss on the list. Though there will be more public mourning of Springsteen. He's like a Robin Hood figure.

[Genuma]

Bowie is much more of a legend than Bruce Springsteen thats for sure
No he isn't.

[narcoleptic953]

I wouldn't put either Bowie or The Boss on the list. Though there will be more public mourning of Springsteen. He's like a Robin Hood figure.

If Springsteen and Bowie "don't make the list", then Dylan is the only legend still living, which is just not true. I don't know what the hell you're standards are, but they're impossibly high and equally inaccurate.

[Genuma]

Mick Jagger, McCartney....

[narcoleptic953]

Mick Jagger, McCartney....'

I'll give you Jagger, but I don't think McCartney fits his "larger than life" requirement. With the Beatles, yes. Alone, I don't think so. I think Springsteen makes the list as easy as either of those.

For me, those two obviously make the list, but I think this guy is being ridiculous.

[Genuma]

I'd count McCartney. the Beatles, a successful solo career, Wings.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

If Springsteen and Bowie "don't make the list", then Dylan is the only legend still living, which is just not true. I don't know what the hell you're standards are, but they're impossibly high and equally inaccurate.

People are coming in here trying to win cred points for naming important musicians when thats not the point. I've said what my personal standards are several times. If you really think that David Bowie belongs on a list with Elvis, Michael Jackson, and people of that level of fame and legend then theres not much to say. What I'm getting at is not who matters in music or who is influential. I'm saying having just witnessed the reaction to Michael Jackson's death, who is left living who is even in that neighborhood. I don't think thats a long list.

Dylan
McCartney

[Animalhill]

No he isn't.
Agreed.

[Genuma]

McCartney's death is going to be bigger than Dylan's.

[narcoleptic953]

People are coming in here trying to win cred points for naming important musicians when thats not the point. I've said what my personal standards are several times. If you really think that David Bowie belongs on a list with Elvis, Michael Jackson, and people of that level of fame and legend then theres not much to say. What I'm getting at is not who matters in music or who is influential. I'm saying having just witnessed the reaction to Michael Jackson's death, who is left living who is even in that neighborhood. I don't think thats a long list.

Dylan
McCartney

It seems like you're equating legend with someone a shit ton of people would jump on the bandwagon for following their death. Even if that's the guideline you're using (which would be idiotic), I think Springsteen is still in that neighborhood. Not Bowie, but when Springsteen dies his records will explode. I just think it's fucking retarded that artists get extra appreciation for dying unexpectedly or dying young (Nirvana, Jackson, etc)

[Genuma]

What so it wouldn't be as big if Michael Jackson had announced "hai gaiz im gonna die in a week. bye!"

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

McCartney's death is going to be bigger than Dylan's.

I think so.

[Genuma]

I think so.
His music is more internationally and widely loved.

[narcoleptic953]

What so it wouldn't be as big if Michael Jackson had announced "hai gaiz im gonna die in a week. bye!"

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying artists who die young or unexpectedly will be perceived as more tragic than artists who die in their old age, and as a result will get a lot more attention from the media.

[Genuma]

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying artists who die young or unexpectedly will be perceived as more tragic than artists who die in their old age, and as a result will get a lot more attention from the media.
Well, yeah. That's because it's shocking.

[narcoleptic953]

Well, yeah. That's because it's shocking.

Shocking? Yes. That doesn't mean Nirvana or Michael Jackson need to become incredibly overrated following their deaths (all their significance and influence aside, because that's obviously undeniable).

[Genuma]

Shocking? Yes. That doesn't mean Nirvana or Michael Jackson need to become incredibly overrated following their deaths (all their significance and influence aside, because that's obviously undeniable).
It's mourning, a little excessive yes, but it won't last. Don't worry Michael will be all yours again in a couple months.

[narcoleptic953]

It's mourning, a little excessive yes, but it won't last. Don't worry Michael will be all yours again in a couple months.

Haha. I'm not even a big MJ fan. I just think it's annoying for people to suddenly jump on the bandwagon, but I guess that is to be expected.

[Genuma]

Haha. I'm not even a big MJ fan. I just think it's annoying for people to suddenly jump on the bandwagon, but I guess that is to be expected.
It is annoying, but it happens. I almost feel like if it didn't happen it would be disrespectful.

[narcoleptic953]

It is annoying, but it happens. I almost feel like if it didn't happen it would be disrespectful.

Yes. Still, I think using it as a way to judge how much of a legend someone is/was is a silly thing to do.

[Genuma]

Still, he was a legend. best-selling album of all time proves that alone.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Yes. Still, I think using it as a way to judge how much of a legend someone is/was is a silly thing to do.

I disagree because that kind of reaction doesn't happen to people who aren't legendary. The feeling that once Michael died there was an urgency to buy up his albums and stuff and people who felt left out needed to get in on it proves his status.

[chipdip18]

Paul McCartney
Neil Young
Bob Dylan
Bruce Springsteen
Van Morrison
Elvis Costello
Paul Simon
Art Garfunkel
Aretha Franklin
David Bowie

[Genuma]

Paul McCartney
Neil Young
Bob Dylan
Bruce Springsteen
Van Morrison
Elvis Costello
Paul Simon
Art Garfunkel
Aretha Franklin
David Bowie
Pretty much, but add Mick Jagger. Also I think Simon & Garfunkel together, not that they'll die at the same time haha but you know what I mean. I think when one of them dies most people are going to bust out s&f albums not, as much solo albums.

[narcoleptic953]

I disagree because that kind of reaction doesn't happen to people who aren't legendary. The feeling that once Michael died there was an urgency to buy up his albums and stuff and people who felt left out needed to get in on it proves his status.

Well it's going to happen when Springsteen dies, so it's a bad argument if you don't include him.

[chipdip18]

Pretty much, but add Mick Jagger. Also I think Simon & Garfunkel together, not that they'll die at the same time haha but you know what I mean. I think when one of them dies most people are going to bust out s&f albums not, as much solo albums.


Yeah I missed Mick Jagger on that list. You know i think that if Paul Simon died people would buy a lot of his solo material as well as the duo's albums since his solo career had some successes. If Art Garfunkel died, then yeah, people would be out buying Simon & Garfunkel albums.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Well it's going to happen when Springsteen dies, so it's a bad argument if you don't include him.

I think you're right to an extent. I'm on the fence about him. I think a lot of good points have been made for him. Especially comments about his working man appeal. A lot of people feel like he's there guy.

[Genuma]

Yeah I missed Mick Jagger on that list. You know i think that if Paul Simon died people would buy a lot of his solo material as well as the duo's albums since his solo career had some successes. If Art Garfunkel died, then yeah, people would be out buying Simon & Garfunkel albums.
True. and lol at the Garfunkel diss.

[chipdip18]

True. and lol at the Garfunkel diss.


Hahaha it wasn't even suppose to be a diss! It's just true that his solo career... well wasn't so hot. And i don't even know how his acting career went. But just saying that might be a hint at it's success.

[Genuma]

Hahaha it wasn't even suppose to be a diss! It's just true that his solo career... well wasn't so hot. And i don't even know how his acting career went. But just saying that might be a hint at it's success.
Yeah, not good.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Frankly, I think when Garfunkel dies people will buy Paul Simon albums.

[chipdip18]

Yeah, not good.

What a bummer. At least he wrote 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' (the song) and just owned.

[chipdip18]

Frankly, I think when Garfunkel dies people will buy Paul Simon albums.

Now THAT is a slap in the face hahaha.

[Genuma]

Frankly, I think when Garfunkel dies people will buy Paul Simon albums.
haha
What a bummer. At least he wrote 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' (the song) and just owned.
If only he could have continued that success.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Yea, i couldn't help myself ha.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

The Sound of Silence might be enough to put them on the list. That song just plain does it for me.

[Genuma]

Such a good song.

[xxmannequin]

brokencyde all the way.



That's really not funny anymore.



I agree with most of what has been said in this thread so far. What about artists that have the potential to reach legendary status?

[El_Jeffe]

i don't know how this thread turned into pages of bruce springsteen, but he's nowhere near the status of michael jackson. i'm not arguing his general importance or song writing ability, i'm even a fan of some of his work, but he largely only really matters to working class america. certainly doesn't have that strong international hold like other artists


like the girl above me, this thread got me thinking about "who's next", who could potentially be the next big international, enduring, phenomena. but many of today's popular artists are still taking such a strong pull from michael jackson's music/career, that i'm not sure if there is anyone showing any signs of developing something distinctly new that will catch the worlds airwaves by storm, not like the way he did, not yet anyway

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

That's really not funny anymore.



I agree with most of what has been said in this thread so far. What about artists that have the potential to reach legendary status?

Interesting topic, but I'd say none. Not the type were speaing of anyway. There is just too much music now. For instance, The National is one of my favorite bands and Boxer sits atop my list of favorite albums. If they can improve on that album with their next release it could really be something special. But they have a niche. As do most bands now. People like Dylan and Jackson and Springsteen and many others mentioned in this thread were like or at least relatively well known by most people at their peak. Its just not that way anymore. I'm fine with it cause we get more music.

[x togepi x]

the only reason people are saying springsteen is because they listened to gaslight anthem.

[narcoleptic953]

the only reason people are saying springsteen is because they listened to gaslight anthem.

I'll take back what I said a few pages back. This is the most retarded thing I've heard all year.

[CellarGhosts]

I was into Bruce's music long before I ever got into Gaslight but I wouldn't put it past some people to do that. I don't really see it happening here though.

[narcoleptic953]

I was into Bruce's music long before I ever got into Gaslight but I wouldn't put it past some people to do that. I don't really see it happening here though.

I was a huge fan of Bruce far far before I even knew the Gaslight Anthem existed. I liked that album, but I would even say it's overrated on this site. Still, even if that is true, I don't think anyone would do that, and I think it's a completely idiotic statement.

[J.C.]

Bruce is an icon.

I've only skimmed the thread, but for the sake of putting forth something different I'll go with Elton John, Tom Petty, and Diana Ross. <3 Neil Diamond too.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I was a huge fan of Bruce far far before I even knew the Gaslight Anthem existed. I liked that album, but I would even say it's overrated on this site. Still, even if that is true, I don't think anyone would do that, and I think it's a completely idiotic statement.

Uptight much?

I don't think togepi takes his comments as seriously as you. Plus his comment isn't so off base.

[narcoleptic953]

Uptight much?

I don't think togepi takes his comments as seriously as you. Plus his comment isn't so off base.

His comment is absurd. Nobody is that stupid.

[x togepi x]

I'll take back what I said a few pages back. This is the most retarded thing I've heard all year.

it's a fact. hardly anyone here listened to bruce before all the orgcore kids got into him.

[narcoleptic953]

it's a fact. hardly anyone here listened to bruce before all the orgcore kids got into him.

I really don't think those are the people who are posting him in here, but if that's what you need to believe, feel free.

[x togepi x]

I really don't think those are the people who are posting him in here, but if that's what you need to believe, feel free.

i really think they are, at least a sizable portion. but it's hilarious that you're getting all offended about statements that supposedly don't apply to you.

[narcoleptic953]

i really think they are, at least a sizable portion. but it's hilarious that you're getting all offended about statements that supposedly don't apply to you.

I was being completely sarcastic with that last one.

[El_Jeffe]

without turning this into another sort of debate, there's occasionally a tendency on this site to think "such & such artist is a really big deal here in america, therefore he matters everywhere else too". while springsteen may be (to whatever extent) the voice of working class america, & if people want to claim him to be an american icon... fine, perhaps even justified. but he simply doesn't have that strong a hold anywhere else. there's many more artists alive today that have a much larger international grasp

[narcoleptic953]

without turning this into another sort of debate, there's occasionally a tendency on this site to think "such & such artist is a really big deal here in america, therefore he matters everywhere else too". while springsteen may be (to whatever extent) the voice of working class america, & if people want to claim him to be an american icon... fine, perhaps even justified. but he simply doesn't have that strong a hold anywhere else. there's many more artists alive today that have a much larger international grasp

Fine. He's still undoubtedly an American rock legend.

[Losing Streak]

In the bands category, I have to go with Bad Religion. Old as hell, but still very active and relevant.

[Brokenhill]

Roger Waters.