Steve McNair - RIP

[TMS2787]

What the hell, crazy stuff. RIP.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275

[livethesounds]

wow, i'm in shock. he was one of my all time favorite players. unbelievable.

[gonz]

This has been an unreal couple of weeks for celebrity deaths.

[bigblue2015]

Beat me to making this thread by like 10 minutes. I can't believe this, I loved Steve McNair, just an all-around football player, played tough, played hurt, and should have won the Super Bowl in 1999 if Dyson knew how to run a route correctly.

[MidCal]

I thought this was some sick joke.

RIP

[TMS2787]

Of all players to get shot, he didn't seem to like a ghetto lifestyle or try to be a 'banger, at all. Terrible.

[preppyak]

I loved Steve McNair, just an all-around football player, played tough, played hurt, and should have won the Super Bowl in 1999 if Dyson knew how to run a route correctly.
This. I was a HUGE Oilers fan and loved Warren Moon...and it transferred nicely to the Titans and McNair because he was such a solid player you could like.

RIP

[deadkidsean]

Cannot believe it. Fell in love b/c of all the years he played w/ Eddie George and just an all-around great guy. Rest in peace, for sure.

[gurby]

this is insane. i'm in shock... wow.

[bduke13]

I was shocked to hear this. He played his heart out for the Ravens for those 2 years and really seemed like a really great guy. Sad day

[preppyak]

36 years old...wow, from ESPN

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0704/nfl_steve_mcnair1_sw_576.jpg

[schenksta]

as a big titans fan since i was a kid, this really shocks me. RIP

[seraph1214]

I just can't believe it. He was a real class guy and a great player. RIP Steve, you will be missed.

[preppyak]

Of all players to get shot, he didn't seem to like a ghetto lifestyle or try to be a 'banger, at all. Terrible.
well, and it happened at 1:30ish on a Saturday afternoon...which makes it stranger.

[livethesounds]

i'm guessing when more information comes out on this it's going to get even more shocking.

[Mibabalou]

36 years old...wow, from ESPN

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0704/nfl_steve_mcnair1_sw_576.jpg

so sad

[livethesounds]

cnn is reporting that the girl who was shot was his girlfriend. but Steve was married.

[AshesAshes]

Rip I use to tear my friends up with him on NFL Blitz 2001.

[livethesounds]

man, i've been watching espn news all day. this really ruined my 4th. for most people they have fleeting memories from games or videogames, but for me it's much more. I remember the day he was drafted and how excited my dad was about it. I remember getting his rookie cards and framing them. I remember going to an Oiler - Lions game in 96 and being surprised to see McNair starting his first game because Chris Chandler had mono, then after the game seeing both Chandler and McNair near the locker room with their families and getting his autograph. He also threw his first touchdown pass that game.
I've followed Air McNair since he came into the league and was pretty upset the way the Titans FO handled the way he left the Titans.
No matter what comes to light about his death, he was a great guy and a fantastic football player. Somebody I'll remember for the rest of my life.

going out now, i'll be wearing my McNair oiler jersey i've had since jr high underneath my shirt (pretty much only works as an undershit now it's so small)

[S/T]

Absolutely terrible. Definitely one of my favorite players growing up. RIP.

[RedWineSheets]

damn, wtf.

[SwiftSilentDead]

RIP Steve. Was great watching him take Baltimore to a 13-3 record in 2006.

[J.C.]

Terrible.

[Broken Parachute]

I was so depressed today. I found out at work when one of my friends texted me...and then my coworker got a text about it like 2 minutes later. I checked ESPN.com on my phone and I was seriously devastated. This is a terrible loss. McNair was a classy guy and definitely one of my favorite players ever. He will be missed for sure.

[Broken Parachute]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1994/0926_large.jpg

[preppyak]

Sounding like murder-suicide
Aaron disclosed that a gun was discovered near Sahel Kazemi, McNair's girlfriend, adding that Kazemi was killed by a single gunshot wound to the head. He said that police aren't looking for a suspect at this time. McNair was shot multiple times, including a wound to his head. Aaron said that McNair's friend and bodyguard, Robert Gaddy, called the police at 1:35 p.m. local time after seeing the bodies.
There is still a lot of detail to go...but that paints the picture a little clearer

edit: or not

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/details-shed-new-light-mcnairs-death

According to the same NashvillePost.com sources, a white woman in her early 20s, around 5-foot-4, approached McNair at the restaurant and accused him of slipping her a “roofie” a year ago.

The woman then told McNair, according to sources, that her boyfriend was going to kill him.

[Kutty]

I thougth it was a joje to. Seriously this sad,

R.I.P. Steve.

[livethesounds]

Sounding like murder-suicide
There is still a lot of detail to go...but that paints the picture a little clearer

edit: or not

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/details-shed-new-light-mcnairs-death

yea, at first it sounds like an affair gone terribly wrong. but it's early to it's hard to really draw conclusions from that.

[Throwback]

Man, this sucks. I loved McNair when he was on the Titans. What a terrible way to lose a great player and from everything written about him, an all-around great guy. Unbelievable.

[joeag1985]

This is so sad. I couldn't believe it when I read that 'Steve McNair has been shot dead'. It doesn't make sense.

Now I know I may be ostracized for this somewhat off-point comment... but these things will continue to happen in the United States when people have such easy access to firearms. From what I've read it seems like a terribly tragic but ultimately sketchy affair. I sincerely doubt things would come to this if guns weren't involved.

Darrent, Sean and now Steve... When's the madness going to stop? Does the right to bear arms mean that much to people when people are murdered in every sphere of society every day of the week? Still, what do I know...

RIP Steve.

[AshesAshes]

This is so sad. I couldn't believe it when I read that 'Steve McNair has been shot dead'. It doesn't make sense.

Now I know I may be ostracized for this somewhat off-point comment... but these things will continue to happen in the United States when people have such easy access to firearms. From what I've read it seems like a terribly tragic but ultimately sketchy affair. I sincerely doubt things would come to this if guns weren't involved.

Darrent, Sean and now Steve... When's the madness going to stop? Does the right to bear arms mean that much to people when people are murdered in every sphere of society every day of the week? Still, what do I know...

RIP Steve.

Well they obviously wouldn't of come to it without guns since he was shot.

[SgtSmegma]

cnn is reporting that the girl who was shot was his girlfriend. but Steve was married.

Yeah, because no married man has ever fucked around on his wife, especially a former professional athlete.

[joeag1985]

Well they obviously wouldn't of come to it without guns since he was shot.

They wouldn't of come to it...? Yeah I don't follow.

What I meant to say was... It probably would not have resulted in deaths if a gun was not involved. An assault maybe? Whatever... It was clearly heated, whatever the circumstances were... take away the guns and both people would more than likely be alive today.

[Zeran]

can't believe this really. rip.

[livethesounds]

Yeah, because no married man has ever fucked around on his wife, especially a former professional athlete.

which was what i was hinting at?

[silentstar1134]

When I saw the newspaper I was like wtf. Seeing him tearing it up as a Raven and a Titan was awesome to watch. He also sounded like a very classy guy. RIP you will be missed.

[SgtSmegma]

which was what i was hinting at?

I suppose I misinterpreted what you were saying

[thatsignant]

murder suicide

[thursday727]

murder suicide
has to be.

[TMS2787]

So, they still don't know what happened?

[livethesounds]

there have been more clues that might hint at it not being a murder suicide. or at least enough information that would make police search elsewhere.

[Broken Parachute]

This is so sad. I couldn't believe it when I read that 'Steve McNair has been shot dead'. It doesn't make sense.

Now I know I may be ostracized for this somewhat off-point comment... but these things will continue to happen in the United States when people have such easy access to firearms. From what I've read it seems like a terribly tragic but ultimately sketchy affair. I sincerely doubt things would come to this if guns weren't involved.

Darrent, Sean and now Steve... When's the madness going to stop? Does the right to bear arms mean that much to people when people are murdered in every sphere of society every day of the week? Still, what do I know...

RIP Steve.Shut up, ya eejit.

[preppyak]

Now I know I may be ostracized for this somewhat off-point comment... but these things will continue to happen in the United States when people have such easy access to firearms.

Darrent, Sean and now Steve... When's the madness going to stop? Does the right to bear arms mean that much to people when people are murdered in every sphere of society every day of the week? Still, what do I know...
My understanding is that it was McNair's gun (presuming it was the murder-suicide theory)...so, if that's the case your point is kind of moot.

And I think your point is completely off base for this instance...if its an affair gone bad, a knife, poison, any instrument would have done a similar task. If she truly snapped on him and decided to kill him, she would have found a way. And if its a murder for hire (as Eddie George and others believe), than chances are the gun is illegal anyway, so gun control doesn't stop that either.

And in the cases of Sean Taylor and Darrent Williams (if memory serves me), those guns were not registered either (as robbers tend not to use registered guns), so again your point is lost

Mostly though, it's also way too early to impose a moral judgment like altering the 2nd amendment on this case...as police don't still fully know what happened, and there is probably only one scenario (she registered for and bought the gun like a day or two before this shooting with the specific intention to kill him...which sounds fairly unlikely from all the details) where it works as a viable argument

[preppyak]

And right as I say that...its turns out she recently bought a gun

A relative of the woman found shot to death with former NFL quarterback Steve McNair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=733) said Monday that Nashville police told him she recently purchased a gun and that police believe they are almost sure she was the shooter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4309196&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

[livethesounds]

it seems to make sense, but why would a 20 year old girl that's about to supposedly get an ex nfl player to divorce his wife and marry her just kill both of them? I suppose you can say she snapped, but shit. People snap all the time and don't do that. I still think there's a bit more to the story.

[FondestMemory]

it seems to make sense, but why would a 20 year old girl that's about to supposedly get an ex nfl player to divorce his wife and marry her just kill both of them? I suppose you can say she snapped, but shit. People snap all the time and don't do that. I still think there's a bit more to the story.

probably because it came to her attention that the bolded part wasn't going to happen.

on a side note, if she were still alive i totally would.

[livethesounds]

probably because it came to her attention that the bolded part wasn't going to happen.

on a side note, if she were still alive i totally would.

eh, i'm not sure it was a sure thing either way, but if the guy was buying her cars and taking vacations with her behind his families back, idk. he was only 36, but for a guy as family oriented as mcnair it almost sounds like a mid life crisis.

i've been trying to find other pictures of her, the ones i found she just looks alright. nothing i'd leave a wife and kids for though.

[Spicoli hey bud]

This is so sad. I couldn't believe it when I read that 'Steve McNair has been shot dead'. It doesn't make sense.

Now I know I may be ostracized for this somewhat off-point comment... but these things will continue to happen in the United States when people have such easy access to firearms. From what I've read it seems like a terribly tragic but ultimately sketchy affair. I sincerely doubt things would come to this if guns weren't involved.

Darrent, Sean and now Steve... When's the madness going to stop? Does the right to bear arms mean that much to people when people are murdered in every sphere of society every day of the week? Still, what do I know...

RIP Steve.
Don't turn this into a gun control debate. You're jumping to conclusions without really knowing what happened.

[Zeran]

i dunno, from what i've read about his relationship with this girl, he kinda comes off as a dick. the guy's got 4 kids and a wife of 12 years and he's doing all this shit behind their back? not cool. although, i don't know if the family/wife knew about it or not, but you'd think she'd have to be suspicious? if not, then that makes everything even worse for her now.

[joeag1985]

Shut up, ya eejit.

You're a stook.

[joeag1985]

Don't turn this into a gun control debate. You're jumping to conclusions without really knowing what happened.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't two people shot to death...by firearms? just to be clear. What do I know though.. I guess gun control can't ever be discussed in free democratic countries.

[joeag1985]

My understanding is that it was McNair's gun (presuming it was the murder-suicide theory)...so, if that's the case your point is kind of moot.

And I think your point is completely off base for this instance...if its an affair gone bad, a knife, poison, any instrument would have done a similar task. If she truly snapped on him and decided to kill him, she would have found a way. And if its a murder for hire (as Eddie George and others believe), than chances are the gun is illegal anyway, so gun control doesn't stop that either.

And in the cases of Sean Taylor and Darrent Williams (if memory serves me), those guns were not registered either (as robbers tend not to use registered guns), so again your point is lost

Mostly though, it's also way too early to impose a moral judgment like altering the 2nd amendment on this case...as police don't still fully know what happened, and there is probably only one scenario (she registered for and bought the gun like a day or two before this shooting with the specific intention to kill him...which sounds fairly unlikely from all the details) where it works as a viable argument

That's all I'm saying... People can get guns so easily in the States. It probably isn't that case with McNairs death... and I don't know how many murders happen through these circumstances, but It's safe to say that it's a decent percentage. These (NFL players) are high profile deaths involving firearms irregardless of certain circumstances.

If these cases (I don't see it ending with McNair) can't help to generate a widespread debate or referendum on the improved control of guns then I don't know what will. I don't buy the argument that because certain guns were unregistered in certain cases then it validates the current gun laws. It's a cop out. An effort needs to be made to improve things. I doubt anythings ever going to change anyway so I guess this is a pointless argument. Some folk just love their guns.

[we are cured]

i would love to see some research support your argument, especially some statistics on murder rates in states that have both stringent and relaxed gun control laws. i think you'd be surprised at what you find.

[Broken Parachute]

You're a stook.My best friend is from Kildare and she taught me a couple of cool Irish slang terms and I've always wanted to use them. Mission accomplished.

[joeag1985]

My best friend is from Kildare and she taught me a couple of cool Irish slang terms and I've always wanted to use them. Mission accomplished.

Nice. Same county as me. I was going to query you on your knowhow of eejit but I was testing to see if you knew any others. Stook has pretty much the same meaning. All insults aside... well done sir.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't two people shot to death...by firearms? just to be clear. What do I know though.. I guess gun control can't ever be discussed in free democratic countries.
You do realize that gun control laws don't magically make all guns in the world disappear, right?

[joeag1985]

You do realize that gun control laws don't magically make all guns in the world disappear, right?

Of course. All I'm saying is that It couldn't hurt to challenge current legislation with a referendum and/or a national debate on improving the flow of guns. It's better than doing nothing.

[Zeran]

Nice. Same county as me. I was going to query you on your knowhow of eejit but I was testing to see if you knew any others. Stook has pretty much the same meaning. All insults aside... well done sir.

i say eejit and i'm not irish. and speaking of stook, i was on the bus today (in germany) and saw that someone had written graffiti on the wall with the word stook in it. very classy.

[joeag1985]

i say eejit and i'm not irish. and speaking of stook, i was on the bus today (in germany) and saw that someone had written graffiti on the wall with the word stook in it. very classy.

Nice. It's spreading... I'm pretty sure it's an old bastardized version of an old Gaelic word... basically meaning 'idiot'. Although the proper Irish word for idiot is amadán (pronounced aw-ma-dawn)... as for stook... I'm not sure where that comes from. It pretty much has the same effect as eejit around these parts.

Anyway, apologies for going somewhat off topic. Here's ten great moments...

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[CarlosLunes]

Of course. All I'm saying is that It couldn't hurt to challenge current legislation with a referendum and/or a national debate on improving the flow of guns. It's better than doing nothing.


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[Joe DeAndrea]

Dunno if its been posted but McNair was shot by the girl. http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/08/mcnair-was-shot-by-woman-police-say/

[kshtoinks12]

I don't understand something. Why was she so upset that he was seeing someone else. Obviously he's seeing someone else, he was fucking married. A wikipedia page could've told Kazemi that.

[joeag1985]

I don't understand something. Why was she so upset that he was seeing someone else. Obviously he's seeing someone else, he was fucking married. A wikipedia page could've told Kazemi that.

Well, she clearly wasn't well adjusted.

[Zeran]

i also find it ridiculous (and ironic) that this girl who is having an affair with a guy who is married would get upset about him having another affair on his mistress. the whole situation is fucked and it's a damn shame to see all of this happen. i especially feel bad for the wife and kids, they did nothing wrong.

[preppyak]

i also find it ridiculous (and ironic) that this girl who is having an affair with a guy who is married would get upset about him having another affair on his mistress.
Well, she just got a DUI and was likely relying on McNair for money...so if he gets another mistress, he may decide he no longer needs her, thus she loses her source of money and is screwed when it comes to battling the DUI, etc.

It also doesn't sound like she was particularly well adjusted either...so combine crazy with a fear she's about to go broke or get left in the dust and I begin to see her snapping. I'm guessing there are also about 14 more layers to this that we'll never find out