wow

[bamf]

how can we let drew brees go?

[Drew Beringer]

Probably just for the fact that SD invested a lot of money in Rivers and they need to see some return on that investment. Brees didn't have that great of a year in 05 to make SD absolutely have to keep him. So, yeah, they'll probably try to trade him? I dunno, I don't follow SD.

[FreshyFresh23]

they arent trading him, they would have to sign him first. He is going to be released and probably go to Miami

[mikeford]

this was a well thought out thread title.

[mat1419]

they arent trading him, they would have to sign him first. He is going to be released and probably go to Miami
or detroit.

[mat1419]

Probably just for the fact that SD invested a lot of money in Rivers and they need to see some return on that investment. Brees didn't have that great of a year in 05 to make SD absolutely have to keep him. So, yeah, they'll probably try to trade him? I dunno, I don't follow SD.
i think that's part of it, and the injury is the other part. still, i think it's absolutely isaiah thomas (that's right, i made it a phrase). brees knows the system, the players trust him, and he's shown he can do it. rivers, even after being tutored, will take 2-3 years probably to get up to par. they could have gotten a nice pick up by getting rid of phil, but totally sold drew brees out. i hope he gets healthy and blows up wherever he goes.

[bigmike]

or detroit.
to be honest, i hope not. i think he's more of a product of antonio gates and LT.

[FondestMemory]

i think he ends up a jet.

[fromwithin]

i think they should keep brees and get rid of rivers, like they should have last year. let him flourish with some other team and keep brees in there who knows the system, players, and has excelled before.

[Trainsaw]

i don't think he's as good as he's made out to be, but i guess we'll see when he moves to another team

[LeftWideOpen]

i don't think he's as good as he's made out to be, but i guess we'll see when he moves to another team

agreed. he's nothing more than adequate, so why not take a chance w/ the guy you invested all your money in?

[Spicoli hey bud]

He's a very mediocre QB, but put in the right situation, he could very well thrive. He's the kind of guy that might win a lot of games in his future.

[LeftWideOpen]

He's a very mediocre QB, but put in the right situation, he could very well thrive. He's the kind of guy that might win a lot of games in his future.

yeah, but i don't see that being in miami like others have mentioned. I think he needs to be surrounded by talent, with Detroit being a good fit (M. Williams, R. Williams, K. Jones). However, the Lions seem content w/ Harrington as the starter http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2340128

[Chriz2z]

I think he is a good QB. Three years ago he had LT and Antonio Gates and sucked it up. He was down right bad. But, he worked on mechanics and studied the offense and then made himself into a very good QB. If he goes to Detroit (I want him or Chris Simms in Detroit) or any other city he needs to study the offense and have a good TE. Yes, he was a product of the system, but he still has to perform, and he did in San Diego. I just hope his shoulder is okay, that was a vicious hit the last game of the season.

[Goodbye Forever]

I think Rivers is going to be really, really good. I don't think this is going to be another Leaf situation. Rivers looks like the real deal, so letting Brees go is a safe move. The fact that Rivers is going to have LT and Neal in the backfield is going to take a lot of pressure off, plus having a target like Gates already pretty much ensures at the least decent passing numbers. He's had enough years to learn the offense and get ready as well.

The Chargers haven't been the kind of team to spend a lot of money in the past anyway, so this really isn't suprising. There aren't any teams in the NFL that are willing to spend franchise money on two QB's, and they aren't about the start the trend.

i think he ends up a jet.

Eh, I think it'll end up being Kitna or Volek for a couple years with Cutler waiting in the wings.

[DroppedUrPocket]

Bamf

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I'm not sure how I feel about this subject..

I like Brees, he's been winning some games. But he always chokes when they need him.

However, so does a ton other quarterbacks. If they get rid of Brees now they can get something for him, yes. But to just release him, it's pointless.

[yeat182]

his injury is probably worse than we thought. i heard he wasn't going to be ready for training camp anyway, why spend money on the player if you aren't sure he's going to be 100%, especially if its not going to be until late in the preseason. its probably a smart move, even though i like brees and thought he should have had the job.

[bigmike]

yeah, but i don't see that being in miami like others have mentioned. I think he needs to be surrounded by talent, with Detroit being a good fit (M. Williams, R. Williams, K. Jones). However, the Lions seem content w/ Harrington as the starter http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2340128
the lions don't have good talent. charles rogers=coke head with an ego problem. hopefully we can get rid of him
roy williams=puss bag that takes too long to heal from 'minor' injuries when he's been seen at practice running full speed yet not participating in that weeks games
mike williams=unproductive because of a year off football. however, he's still nothing more than a decent slot/over the middle reciever.
kevin jones=under utilized because of fucking retarded coaching.

and joey get's too much blame for being a bad offense.

[still_life]

I still don't believe he's as good as his numbers have looked the past two years. He has the best receiving TE and the best receiving RB in the league to dump the ball off to, and he does it a lot. His arm strength is weak, and he turns the ball over too much at the worst times. If he goes to Miami, he could be decent since they have Chambers/McMichael/Brown, but he'd probably go back to the old Brees of 01-03 if he went somewhere else.

[ThriftWhore]

I don't see how the chargers will pull this off. I understand why they are doing it, but they are getting rid of the wrong quarterback.

He will end up in Miami if anywhere else. The Jets don't have the money to get a veteran qb.

[ThriftWhore]

his injury is probably worse than we thought. i heard he wasn't going to be ready for training camp anyway, why spend money on the player if you aren't sure he's going to be 100%, especially if its not going to be until late in the preseason. its probably a smart move, even though i like brees and thought he should have had the job.
he starts throwing in May, so he has all summer to prove to the chargers he's either 100%, or not. He should be fine though.

[yeat182]

I don't see how the chargers will pull this off. I understand why they are doing it, but they are getting rid of the wrong quarterback.

He will end up in Miami if anywhere else. The Jets don't have the money to get a veteran qb.

its because of his injury. thats why they are doing it.

also, i'd like to see him end up in Arizona. watch out for the raiders too.

[yeat182]

he starts throwing in May, so he has all summer to prove to the chargers he's either 100%, or not. He should be fine though.

i heard after the injury that he wouldn't be ready to throw for longer than that. but if you're right, then i don't understand it either except that they would take a huge cap hit if they cut Rivers, whereas they don't lose money letting Brees go.

[bigmike]

I think Rivers is going to be really, really good. I don't think this is going to be another Leaf situation. Rivers looks like the real deal, so letting Brees go is a safe move. The fact that Rivers is going to have LT and Neal in the backfield is going to take a lot of pressure off, plus having a target like Gates already pretty much ensures at the least decent passing numbers. He's had enough years to learn the offense and get ready as well.

The Chargers haven't been the kind of team to spend a lot of money in the past anyway, so this really isn't suprising. There aren't any teams in the NFL that are willing to spend franchise money on two QB's, and they aren't about the start the trend.



Eh, I think it'll end up being Kitna or Volek for a couple years with Cutler waiting in the wings.

oh god i hope this is true. this will end any temptation of the lions wasting another draft pick. god i hope he goes to the jets so we don't fuck up and draft him.

[Chriz2z]

oh god i hope this is true. this will end any temptation of the lions wasting another draft pick. god i hope he goes to the jets so we don't fuck up and draft him.
Are you kidding me? I hear the Lions are drooling over Santonio Holmes. This one has to be a good WR. They can't be wrong 4 straight times.

[Goodbye Forever]

oh god i hope this is true. this will end any temptation of the lions wasting another draft pick. god i hope he goes to the jets so we don't fuck up and draft him.

Drafting Cutler wouldn't be an awful move. He'll be a good system QB, and with Martz there now, who knows...

[chroma23]

Eh, I think it'll end up being Kitna or Volek for a couple years with Cutler waiting in the wings.


How do you think the jets get Cutler? trade down or take him with their pick?

[Goodbye Forever]

How do you think the jets get Cutler? trade down or take him with their pick?

When they trade Abraham, they'll probably acquire a first rounder this year and maybe next year.

[chroma23]

When they trade Abraham, they'll probably acquire a first rounder this year and maybe next year.


That would make sense. How long do you think until they are playoff bound again? 3 years?

[still_life]

I see a major bust at QB coming out of this draft. No way Leinart/Young/Cutler can all be good. There's going to have to be a Tim Couch/Cade McNown type pick here. Similar to the 99 draft.

[Goodbye Forever]

That would make sense. How long do you think until they are playoff bound again? 3 years?

I think the Patriots and Fins are going to both be contenders in the AFC for the next couple of years at least, so that puts them at least a couple years back in third/fourth place. A lot still depends on who they bring in. The realist in me says they'll probably be around 5-7 wins the next two years, and then maybe make a run in the third year. I'm too big of a fan to ever completely write them off, though.

[chroma23]

Yeah, its sad. They really need to rebuild.


where from north jersey are you?

[Talib Scottie]

I love Rivers and I am a lifelong NC State fan but he worries me. His mechanics have always been god-awful but he is smart and has good composure. He will not be a Ryan Leaf though... haha.

[Goodbye Forever]

Yeah, its sad. They really need to rebuild.


where from north jersey are you?

Flanders/Mt. Olive.

[ides of march]

firstly, joey harrington is not a bad quarterback, he gets WAY too much crap
i remember one play on the lions thanksgiving game....
the receiver tripped and the ball got picked. ouch.

also, the chargers are too inconsistent. they beat the colts, but lost to THE EAGLES in week 7?
brees isnt a great quarterback, but he isn't a bad pick. jets need one, and shouldnt start cutler (if they draft) right away. but theyre havin money problems i hear.....
brees + jets = good way to rebound from crap season

[still_life]

I really don't know why people think Harrington isn't bad, he just is. Even Josh McCown is better (10-12 record as a starter out in the desert with no running game or defense is impressive enough)

[Vincewithouthee]

The Chargers are making the right move on this one. I think Rivers is going to be a much better quarterback than Brees ever was or will be. It'll take him a while to get on a good level, but he will eventually. He's going to be thrown into an already great offense. (Btw, the Chargers need a WR too)

I don't know how good or bad Brees is. He seems okay overall I'd say. He could succeed in Miami, but I don't know if he could do it. But, he'd do a better job than the QBs that they have down in Miami now.

[ThriftWhore]

The Chargers are making the right move on this one. I think Rivers is going to be a much better quarterback than Brees ever was or will be. It'll take him a while to get on a good level, but he will eventually. He's going to be thrown into an already great offense. (Btw, the Chargers need a WR too)

I don't know how good or bad Brees is. He seems okay overall I'd say. He could succeed in Miami, but I don't know if he could do it. But, he'd do a better job than the QBs that they have down in Miami now.
See, i'm very conflicted. I loved Rivers in College, he was incredible at NC State, but he's unproven in the NFL. I'm sure they see great things at practice, but everything changes in the real deal. I like both of the quarterbacks they have, personally, I like Brees more. I just feel he has a better accord with LT and Gates. In the past two years he's had one of the top 5 or 6 TD to INT ratios in the league and top 10 qb rating. I mean, he's incredibly talented and has proved it, which is why i'm skeptical on Rivers.

Also, they may not need a WR for the upcoming season, it depends on what McCardell is doing because Eric Parker from Tennesee really stepped up last year as a #2, but for the future they'll need a WR. But they can fill that in the draft, maybe Sinorice Moss from Miami or Chad Jackson from Florda.

As for Miami, I think he'd do incredibly well there, esspecially with rumors of T.O. going. I mean, Chris Chambers, Marty Booker at WR, Randy McMichael at TE and Ronnie Brown in the backfield alone is a ton of talent, without T.O.

[ThriftWhore]

I see a major bust at QB coming out of this draft. No way Leinart/Young/Cutler can all be good. There's going to have to be a Tim Couch/Cade McNown type pick here. Similar to the 99 draft.
I think that's going to be Cutler. I feel like Leinart needs a good system to be in, and he'll be fine because he's a pure pocket passer and Young just needs to not be forced into a system and be allowed to play the style he plays. Too many people are hyping Cutler right now for him to live up to the hype, but he very well could. I just think people comparing him to Brett Favre is ridiculous(Skip Bayless said that).

Which is incredible if he is a bust, because the Jets are probably going to take him. Another great draft pick!

[bigmike]

Drafting Cutler wouldn't be an awful move. He'll be a good system QB, and with Martz there now, who knows...
drafting cutler would be a bad move. i'd rather get stuck with vince young over jay cutler. he's so overhyped, which makes him perfect for us, i suppose.

[bigmike]

Are you kidding me? I hear the Lions are drooling over Santonio Holmes. This one has to be a good WR. They can't be wrong 4 straight times.
really, i haven't been following much lions offseason as i've been too busy hating paul davis and the michigan state spartans basketball team.
If they take Jay Cutler or a wide reciever with their first pick the entire front office should be forced to give up their jobs. the owner, gm, president, assistant gm, head coach, any and all position/assitant coaches. the nfl should take the team away from everyone involved with it if we take cutler, holmes/any wide reciever.
you don't build a team drafting a wide out 4 straight years, especially considering i don't think holmes will be the next big WR superstar. it's this reason why the fall/early winter get's me so upset. the fucking lions fucking suck and make me embarrassed to have them and only them to root for.

they make me wish the cardinals or texans were my favorite team.

[unwritten]

Drew Brees on the Jets would be great for them. I think.

[ThriftWhore]

Drew Brees on the Jets would be great for them. I think.
It would be great for the Jets- wouldn't be great for Brees. It won't happen for two reasons though, firstly and the biggest reason why, they don't have the money. and secondly the Jets already have a quarterback with an injured shoulder, why have two QB's who could possibly be flops after surgery(Pennington may not even be able to play, while Brees i'm sure will be fine).

[ThriftWhore]

Are you kidding me? I hear the Lions are drooling over Santonio Holmes. This one has to be a good WR. They can't be wrong 4 straight times.
That's the thing, in 2003 they were drooling over Charles Rogers, 2004 over Kevin Jones and Roy Williams and 2005 over Mike Williams. I mean, you can't just throw all these young guys together and expect them to learn the game together. Santonio Holmes could be a great addition, but they already have WR's and much bigger needs.

[bigmike]

That's the thing, in 2003 they were drooling over Charles Rogers, 2004 over Kevin Jones and Roy Williams and 2005 over Mike Williams. I mean, you can't just throw all these young guys together and expect them to learn the game together. Santonio Holmes could be a great addition, but they already have WR's and much bigger needs.
no no no no no. the whole coaching staff and front office should be fired on the spot if they draft jay cutler or santonio holmes.

[ThriftWhore]

no no no no no. the whole coaching staff and front office should be fired on the spot if they draft jay cutler or santonio holmes.
OH i totally agree. hahaha. i was like "wait a second!".

if they draft jay cutler, i dunno. i'm not even a HUGE lions fan and if they drafted Cutler or Holmes i'd easily blow a blood vessel in my brain.

[Goodbye Forever]

drafting cutler would be a bad move. i'd rather get stuck with vince young over jay cutler. he's so overhyped, which makes him perfect for us, i suppose.

And Vince Young isn't overhyped? He's such a disaster waiting to happen its scary. Kordell Stewart V.2.

It would be great for the Jets- wouldn't be great for Brees. It won't happen for two reasons though, firstly and the biggest reason why, they don't have the money. and secondly the Jets already have a quarterback with an injured shoulder, why have two QB's who could possibly be flops after surgery(Pennington may not even be able to play, while Brees i'm sure will be fine).

Pennington more than likely won't even be on the team next year.

[ThriftWhore]

And Vince Young isn't overhyped? He's such a disaster waiting to happen its scary. Kordell Stewart V.2.

Pennington more than likely won't even be on the team next year.
Vince Young is being hyped because he was the reason Texas won the national championship, which wouldn't be justified on his own, but he has won two rose bowls in a row, and Texas does still have the longest winning streak in NCAA now. So, is the hype unfounded? No, but it is a little much at times.

As for Pennington, I have a feeling he's going to come to his senses and sign a restructured contract because he realises his noodle for an arm won't be picked up anywhere else.

[bigmike]

And Vince Young isn't overhyped? He's such a disaster waiting to happen its scary. Kordell Stewart V.2.



Pennington more than likely won't even be on the team next year.
which is my point. i'd rather take a huge bust in vince young than someone who probably shouldn't be more than late first round pick.

[bigmike]

OH i totally agree. hahaha. i was like "wait a second!".

if they draft jay cutler, i dunno. i'm not even a HUGE lions fan and if they drafted Cutler or Holmes i'd easily blow a blood vessel in my brain.
haha. it get's ridiculous.