Ps3

[Jason Tate]

Expensive.
http://news.com.com/PlayStation+3+component+prices+Why+ so+high/2100-1043_3-6042226.html

Still better than the Revoltution.

[fedhed7]

If this flops (which it won't, because it's Playstation), Sony will lose a lot of money.

[pinkjinx87]

I don't think its worth it to pay that much. I can wait until it gets cheaper.

[Talib Scottie]

To experience it as a whole you also have to have an HD-TV, memory stick and the actual game itself. ridiculous.

[Darren McLeod]

PS3 shouldn't be compared to the Revolution because the only similarity they'll have is that they play games that a user operates. Other than that, they are completely different machines that will offer different experiences.

And so it looks like Nintendo will be the most profitable games company once again.

[MLLMillenium]

Hahahahah Revolution > PS3

[Talib Scottie]

PS3 shouldn't be compared to the Revolution because the only similarity they'll have is that they play games that a user operates. Other than that, they are completely different machines that will offer different experiences.

And so it looks like Nintendo will be the most profitable games company once again.
I'm definately getting a Revolution and I will most likely absolutely love it.

A PS3 will have to wait.

[MLLMillenium]

Nintendo slaps PS3 and X360 in the face.

. "Nintendo is the only company on the 'new' generation path. The innovation you've seen thus far with DS is just the first step and a template for how Revolution will change console gaming. Suffice it to say, in five years, we can expect our competitors will have joined us on the path to a 'new generation'."-Perrin Kaplan



Once again. Nintendo > Media machines

[fedhed7]

PS3 shouldn't be compared to the Revolution because the only similarity they'll have is that they play games that a user operates. Other than that, they are completely different machines that will offer different experiences.

And so it looks like Nintendo will be the most profitable games company once again.
Good point. The Revolution isn't built to be a power machine. It's meant to be an accessible and immersive system that anyone can play. I think it will sell well among females and even among an older demographic.

[seconds]

weren't they going to delay it so the price could drop?

i'm still buying a revolution first, then maybe a ps3 if the price is right.

[MLLMillenium]

weren't they going to delay it so the price could drop?

i'm still buying a revolution first, then maybe a ps3 if the price is right.

Metroid Prime Revolution! Could be the best shooter game ever made.

[Brownpants06]

Nevermind, it says it right in the article:


"Though Sony hasn't disclosed the price of the PS3, analysts figure it will have to be in the ballpark of $299 to $399--the price for the two versions of the Xbox 360 (http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sets+Xbox+360+pricing/2100-1043_3-5836461.html?tag=nl)."


I don't get what the crying is about.

[unwritten]

I gave up on Nintendo after they disappointed me with that crap they called the Gamecube. PS3 is definitely being purchased.

[MLLMillenium]

Nevermind, it says it right in the article:


"Though Sony hasn't disclosed the price of the PS3, analysts figure it will have to be in the ballpark of $299 to $399--the price for the two versions of the Xbox 360 (http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sets+Xbox+360+pricing/2100-1043_3-5836461.html?tag=nl)."


I don't get what the crying is about.

Rev could be as low as 149.99

[unwritten]

PS3 is like buying a fucking computer. Damn.

[unwritten]

Nevermind, it says it right in the article:


"Though Sony hasn't disclosed the price of the PS3, analysts figure it will have to be in the ballpark of $299 to $399--the price for the two versions of the Xbox 360 (http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sets+Xbox+360+pricing/2100-1043_3-5836461.html?tag=nl)."


I don't get what the crying is about.

Oh, maybe I should have read the whole article. 700-900 dollars just popped out at me.

[Darren McLeod]

Nevermind, it says it right in the article:


"Though Sony hasn't disclosed the price of the PS3, analysts figure it will have to be in the ballpark of $299 to $399--the price for the two versions of the Xbox 360 (http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sets+Xbox+360+pricing/2100-1043_3-5836461.html?tag=nl)."


I don't get what the crying is about.
Remember, 299-399 is an analyst's speculation. It probably will be in that price range (i'd reckon 350-400), but the reason it's crazy is that Sony is going to lose so much money on their consoles. It is ridiculous to lose as much as they are planning on it... they're basically just using it as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray.

[MLLMillenium]

Remember, 299-399 is an analyst's speculation. It probably will be in that price range (i'd reckon 350-400), but the reason it's crazy is that Sony is going to lose so much money on their consoles. It is ridiculous to lose as much as they are planning on it... they're basically just using it as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck blu-ray. HD-DVD bitaches.

[unwritten]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck blu-ray. HD-DVD bitaches.

Nooooooooooooo blu-ray kid.

[MLLMillenium]

Nooooooooooooo blu-ray kid.

Nah. I don't like it, HD-DVD 4 lyfe.

Rev 4 Lyfe.

Though if I got a 360 or PS3 it would be PS3

[anishkabob]

Nah. I don't like it, HD-DVD 4 lyfe.

Rev 4 Lyfe.

Though if I got a 360 or PS3 it would be PS3

what is your avatar from?
its awesome.

[unwritten]

Nah. I don't like it, HD-DVD 4 lyfe.

Rev 4 Lyfe.

Though if I got a 360 or PS3 it would be PS3

ok. just wait till Rev bombs big time. I used to be a huge Nintendo fan. Gamecube just really sucked.

[fedhed7]

ok. just wait till Rev bombs big time. I used to be a huge Nintendo fan. Gamecube just really sucked.
Do you even know what the Revolution is? It's nothing like the gamecube.

[Darren McLeod]

ok. just wait till Rev bombs big time. I used to be a huge Nintendo fan. Gamecube just really sucked.
i love my gamecube to pieces. it suits my tastes so much better than xbox or ps2.

[unwritten]

Do you even know what the Revolution is? It's nothing like the gamecube.

Dude, I know what it is. But hey if it turns out to be amazing then count me in. I just really despised Gamecube.

[unwritten]

i love my gamecube to pieces. it suits my tastes so much better than xbox or ps2.

There was like 5 games that I could say were good for that system. I just feel like I got cheated with the amount of crappy games they released.

[fedhed7]

There was like 5 games that I could say were good for that system. I just feel like I got cheated with the amount of crappy games they released. There were an equal amount of crappy games for X-box and PS2 as well.

[unwritten]

There were an equal amount of crappy games for X-box and PS2 as well.

I'm not defending X-Box at all. There was even more crap released for that system. But PS2 ruled and they released better games than both the Xbox and Gamecube.

[Trainsaw]

this article is just about the price it costs to produce them. They'll take a loss to promote blue-ray which they'll make a killing off of because everyone will already have a blu-ray system.

[MLLMillenium]

i love my gamecube to pieces. it suits my tastes so much better than xbox or ps2.

Same.

[Darren McLeod]

well, i play gamecube more with friends than by myself, so it's the perfect system for it. You point out another system with as much 4 player goodness, and i'll point out a liar.

[fedhed7]

Super Monkey Ball + Super Smash Brothers brings t3h pwn.

[Darren McLeod]

this article is just about the price it costs to produce them. They'll take a loss to promote blue-ray which they'll make a killing off of because everyone will already have a blu-ray system.
that is what's going on. They've made a system that is hell to develop for, and costs them money up the ass, but they'll win in the long run if they can beat off HD-DVD, because they'll make money off of the Blu-Ray format.

I can't even fathom the loss they'll have on PS3 alone though. It destroys my brain to think about it.

[Talib Scottie]

The Revolution is going to win quite a few game developers back, also it'll be cheaper to develop games for the Rev

[Nick Lopez]

Wow, they just killed their chances of winning the teenage crowd. No way teenagers' parents'll ship out that much money.

[JunkBondTrader]

Wow, they just killed their chances of winning the teenage crowd. No way teenagers' parents'll ship out that much money.
read the whole article

[Brownpants06]

Remember, 299-399 is an analyst's speculation. It probably will be in that price range (i'd reckon 350-400), but the reason it's crazy is that Sony is going to lose so much money on their consoles. It is ridiculous to lose as much as they are planning on it... they're basically just using it as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray.


Sony CEO said it will be no more than 360.

". Speaking to Fortune, Sony CEO Howard Stringer said the PS3 will be sold "at a loss" to get more Blu-ray boxes in the homes of consumers. The magic number? Somewhere between $300-400."

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/22/sony-ceo-ps3-to-launch-under-400/

[Anton Djamoos]

Expensive.
http://news.com.com/PlayStation+3+component+prices+Why+ so+high/2100-1043_3-6042226.html

Still better than the Revoltution.
http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2006/02/22/5881/

Tate, stick to music. Seriously.

[fedhed7]

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2006/02/22/5881/

Tate, stick to music. Seriously.
I was wondering when you would show up.

[MLLMillenium]

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2006/02/22/5881/

Tate, stick to music. Seriously.

You are my hero.

[Anton Djamoos]

I was wondering when you would show up.
Haha you know there's no Nintendo talk without me being involved.

[Jason Tate]

The Revolution is going to win quite a few game developers back, also it'll be cheaper to develop games for the Rev
Not according to anything I've read - developers have basically already said they don't ever want to develop a game for a nintendo product again. The revolution is basically the final nail in nintendo's coffin.

[Anton Djamoos]

Not according to anything I've read - developers have basically already said they don't ever want to develop a game for a nintendo product again. The revolution is basically the final nail in nintendo's coffin.
Not to be a jerk cause you've created my favorite site on the Internet, but you really need to do more research.

[MLLMillenium]

Not according to anything I've read - developers have basically already said they don't ever want to develop a game for a nintendo product again. The revolution is basically the final nail in nintendo's coffin.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Music is sure your forte. Video games.. well, that's just not.

Revolution is going to make the most money and the only money in hardware sales. It's going to have the largest games library ever, and the most unique games ever made. All for reasonable prices. Oh free internet play also.

[Jason Tate]

Not to be a jerk cause you've created my favorite site on the Internet, but you really need to do more research.
Flop. Flop. Flop. Flop. Flop.

[Jason Tate]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Music is sure your forte. Video games.. well, that's just not.

Revolution is going to make the most money and the only money in hardware sales. It's going to have the largest games library ever, and the most unique games ever made. All for reasonable prices. Oh free internet play also.
Making money on your system does not equal winning in the gamming industry. I'll be back 4 months after it's released and no one is buying it - just so I can say, "Wow, Nintendo is bankrupt now .. just like Sega" - shucks.

[Ratherbedead22]

oooo drama i like it.

[Ratherbedead22]

im buying a revolution no doubt.

[MLLMillenium]

Making money on your system does not equal winning in the gamming industry. I'll be back 4 months after it's released and no one is buying it - just so I can say, "Wow, Nintendo is bankrupt now .. just like Sega" - shucks.yeah no one will pasy the 150-200 it will cst. No one will pay the money so they can get all the old games from N64, SNES and NES to play again. That is reason alone for plenty of people to buy it.

[Anton Djamoos]

Flop. Flop. Flop. Flop. Flop.
Kinda like the Spill Canvas and Vheissu, right?

[Jason Tate]

oooo drama i like it.
I just like giving Nintendo fans shit ... because I think their products are horrible. I mean, I liked Candyland when I was a kid too but now that I'm older - I want to play with adult-aged toys (not gay purple boxes with plumbers as their mascot).

[fedhed7]

Kinda like the Spill Canvas and Vheissu, right?
Ouch.

[Jason Tate]

Kinda like the Spill Canvas and Vheissu, right?
The Spill Canvas is the best selling album EVER for 111 Records and Vheissu has sold over 150,000 copies with no radio and hardly any video play.

Even in our genre neither of these would be considered "flops." Unless you're Britney Spears.

[Jason Tate]

yeah no one will pasy the 150-200 it will cst. No one will pay the money so they can get all the old games from N64, SNES and NES to play again. That is reason alone for plenty of people to buy it.
My Emulator on my computer to my TV does all that for free. Why would I pay for it again? Hell, my friend's xbox has done that for over a year! Why would he pay again for that?

[Anton Djamoos]

yeah no one will pasy the 150-200 it will cst. No one will pay the money so they can get all the old games from N64, SNES and NES to play again. That is reason alone for plenty of people to buy it.
The price alone is guaranteeing the system doesn't flop. Everyone knows that when it comes out, it will be the perfect 2nd system to accompany the 360 or PS3 for the people who don't make it their primary console.

[MLLMillenium]

I just like giving Nintendo fans shit ... because I think their products are horrible. I mean, I liked Candyland when I was a kid too but now that I'm older - I want to play with adult-aged toys.

Yeah RE4 and MP and Zelda are so kiddy. Nexttime i babysit my 3 yearold cousin I will pop in killer 7 and see what he thinks.

[Anton Djamoos]

My Emulator on my computer to my TV does all that for free. Why would I pay for it again? Hell, my friend's xbox has done that for over a year! Why would he pay again for that?
Because everyone who played NES or wants to play NES even knows what an emulator is. Think of the big picture here.

[fedhed7]

I look forward to playing games like Super Smash Brothers and Mario Kart online.

[MLLMillenium]

My Emulator on my computer to my TV does all that for free. Why would I pay for it again? Hell, my friend's xbox has done that for over a year! Why would he pay again for that?

Because the normal consumer and parents who buy things for their kids are not computer nerds like you who would take their time, let alone know how to do those things.

[Ratherbedead22]

I just like giving Nintendo fans shit ... because I think their products are horrible. I mean, I liked Candyland when I was a kid too but now that I'm older - I want to play with adult-aged toys.

yeah thats a good point but i honestly dont think that represents the whole. i know a good amount of people who can wait to play the old games. its nostalgic.

and honestly the combination of these creative new age games and the games of yore, and a decent price tag will yield good sales.

[Jason Tate]

The price alone is guaranteeing the system doesn't flop. Everyone knows that when it comes out, it will be the perfect 2nd system to accompany the 360 or PS3 for the people who don't make it their primary console.
If your business model is being the "perfect second system" - you already have made the biggest mistake.

[Jason Tate]

Because the normal consumer and parents who buy things for their kids are not computer nerds like you who would take their time, let alone know how to do those things.
Ah, you called me a computer nerd yet get giddy over the new Zelda game. Wow. Pot. Kettle. Black.

[fedhed7]

A lot of the old NES, SNES, N64 roms are quite hard to find. It would be cool to have it all stored on your Revolution, ready to play whenever you want.

[Ratherbedead22]

The Spill Canvas is the best selling album EVER for 111 Records and Vheissu has sold over 150,000 copies with no radio and hardly any video play.

Even in our genre neither of these would be considered "flops." Unless you're Britney Spears.

great point.

[Jason Tate]

I look forward to the lawsuits that develop from this "new" controller - carpel tunnel on 6 year olds is going to be a great selling point.

[Jason Tate]

A lot of the old NES, SNES, N64 roms are quite hard to find. It would be cool to have it all stored on your Revolution, ready to play whenever you want.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-48,GGLG:en&q=snes+roms

I'll help you out.

[Anton Djamoos]

If your business model is being the "perfect second system" - you already have made the biggest mistake.
That's not their business model. I said that alone guarantees it not a flop because it will be a second system for many.

[MLLMillenium]

Also Tate, I'm going to have to say, for someone who puts so much value on buying music your a hypocrite for getting emulators. Way to steal games, you thief.

[Jason Tate]

I'm just stirring shit up here because I love Sony .. haha..

And I really do think Nintendo makes inferior products with a horrible business model. They should license their games to the other systems, and get out of the hardware business. I'd pay to buy Metroid or supersmashbros (the only games really worth buying) for my PS2/3 - but other than that, total waste of money.

[MLLMillenium]

Ah, you called me a computer nerd yet get giddy over the new Zelda game. Wow. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Did I say I was a normal consumer who was not a nerd? Nope I did not. You know the saying.. "It takes one to know one" It fits well.

[Ratherbedead22]

Also Tate, I'm going to have to say, for someone who puts so much value on buying music your a hypocrite for getting emulators. Way to steal games, you thief.

oh shit.

[Jason Tate]

Also Tate, I'm going to have to say, for someone who puts so much value on buying music your a hypocrite for getting emulators. Way to steal games, you thief.
Music doesn't become obsolete and un-purchasable - video games do. At least compare apples to apples.

[fedhed7]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-48,GGLG:en&q=snes+roms

I'll help you out.
Trust me, I've spent a while looking for games, and a lot of them are near impossible to find.

On the Revolution, they'll give the option of trying out the game for a day or two, and then giving you the choice to download it or not. I find that incredibly cool.

[Jason Tate]

That's not their business model. I said that alone guarantees it not a flop because it will be a second system for many.
If 1/2 of everyone that owns a PS3 or 360 buys a revolution, it will still be a flop to Nintendo. Pull up their latest financial numbers - it's no secret how their business is doing. They basically have to outsell Sony and MSFT 3 to 1!! The financial data speaks for itself!

[Ratherbedead22]

Music doesn't become obsolete and un-purchasable - video games do. At least compare apples to apples.

out of print 7 inches, casettes. these all can be transmitted to the computer and downloaded. they've become un-purchasable.

[Jason Tate]

Trust me, I've spent a while looking for games, and a lot of them are near impossible to find.

On the Revolution, they'll give the option of trying out the game for a day or two, and then giving you the choice to download it or not. I find that incredibly cool.
And I'd take ONE good game on PS3 to 400 games for NES. I don't go search for a pong machine when I could be playing FIFA Street.

[MLLMillenium]

Music doesn't become obsolete and un-purchasable - video games do. At least comepare apples to apples.

Yeah, but if the revolution came out it would not be any longer. Why would you not purchase them instead. Plus if you look hard enough you can find the games online or at stores where you can find used games.

Just because it is hard to find doesn't mean it's impossible. Nintendo has lost millions because of emulation. If nintendo was so shitty why would you be emulating games on an Xbox or your computer anyways?

Why would the DS be kicking the shit out of the PSP and why is one of the biggest known features of the PSP being able to download emulators to play nintendo games? hmm yeah. Exactly.

[Jason Tate]

out of print 7 inches, casettes. these all can be transmitted to the computer and downloaded. they've become un-purchasable.
And never ONCE have I said I was against the downloading of those. So, if you're going to put words in my mouth - use your brain.

[Ratherbedead22]

If 1/2 of everyone that owns a PS3 or 360 buys a revolution, it will still be a flop to Nintendo. Pull up their latest financial numbers - it's no secret how their business is doing. They basically have to outsell Sony and MSFT 3 to 1!! The financial data speaks for itself!

handheld sales will support nintendo no matter what. you wont see them quitting anytime soon.

[Anton Djamoos]

I'm just stirring shit up here because I love Sony .. haha..

And I really do think Nintendo makes inferior products with a horrible business model. They should license their games to the other systems, and get out of the hardware business. I'd pay to buy Metroid or supersmashbros (the only games really worth buying) for my PS2/3 - but other than that, total waste of money.
Tate, tell me. What Gamecube games have you played? Or are you just making random ignorant generalizations?

[MLLMillenium]

If 1/2 of everyone that owns a PS3 or 360 buys a revolution, it will still be a flop to Nintendo. Pull up their latest financial numbers - it's no secret how their business is doing. They basically have to outsell Sony and MSFT 3 to 1!! The financial data speaks for itself!

Are you a moron, no they don't nintendo unlike the others will actually be making a profit off of the other systems. Let alone the money they make off merchandise from things like pokemon and movies. Not to mention the hand held industry which they totally dominate.

[Ratherbedead22]

And never ONCE have I said I was against the downloading of those. So, if you're going to put words in my mouth - use your brain.

ive never heard your opinion on it until now, so i wouldnt know.

[Jason Tate]

Yeah, but if the revolution came out it would not be any longer. Why would you not purchase them instead. Plus if you look hard enough you can find the games online or at stores where you can find used games.

Just because it is hard to find doesn't mean it's impossible. Nintendo has lost millions because of emulation. If nintendo was so shitty why would you be emulating games on an Xbox or your computer anyways?

Why would the DS be kicking the shit out of the PSP and why is one of the biggest known features of the PSP being able to download emulators to play nintendo games? hmm yeah. Exactly.

Because you would have to purchase a 200-300$ system to then purchase more games.

I don't, saying you can.

Kicking the shit out of it?

PSP: 35% marketshare
DS: 23.5% marketshare

That's in the USA where 1 MILLION more PSPS were sold in 2005 then the DS. In Japan the DS is more popular, but hey, I'm not really talking about the rest of the world right now.

[Jason Tate]

ive never heard your opinion on it until now, so i wouldnt know.
You obviously heard my opinion on it enough to make the original claim.

[Anton Djamoos]

Because you would have to purchase a 200-300$ system to then purchase more games.

I don't, saying you can.

Kicking the shit out of it?

PSP: 35% marketshare
DS: 23.55 marketshare

That's in the USA. In Japan the DS is more popular, but hey, I'm not really talking about the rest of the world right now.
Sales don't matter worldwide for a company or anything apparently.

[Anton Djamoos]

Because you would have to purchase a 200-300$ system to then purchase more games.

I don't, saying you can.

Kicking the shit out of it?

PSP: 35% marketshare
DS: 23.5% marketshare

That's in the USA where 1 MILLION more PSPS were sold in 2005 then the DS. In Japan the DS is more popular, but hey, I'm not really talking about the rest of the world right now.
By the way, if Sony makes such wonderful games, name 5 good games for PSP and I can name you 10 for DS.

[Ratherbedead22]

the dvd psp things are selling horribly as well.

[Anton Djamoos]

By the way, if Sony makes such wonderful games, name 5 good games for PSP and I can name you 10 for DS.
Heck, name 5 original games (they don't even have to be good) and I'll give you 10 good original games for DS.

[MLLMillenium]

Because you would have to purchase a 200-300$ system to then purchase more games.

I don't, saying you can.

Kicking the shit out of it?

PSP: 35% marketshare
DS: 23.5% marketshare

That's in the USA where 1 MILLION more PSPS were sold in 2005 then the DS. In Japan the DS is more popular, but hey, I'm not really talking about the rest of the world right now.

The only reason you leave out the rest of the world is because if you showed those figues it would show how the DS is blowing PSP out of the water. Not to mention the GBA is still owning the industry. Money is made a global market, dont forget that.

[Jason Tate]

Are you a moron, no they don't nintendo unlike the others will actually be making a profit off of the other systems. Let alone the money they make off merchandise from things like pokemon and movies. Not to mention the hand held industry which they totally dominate.

Ah, well, when you start calling names - I call it a day. We're arguing over fucking video games, I feel like I should pull your hair and steal your lunch money. Maybe stick out my tounge or something.

All I'm saying is do a real case study of it - look at the finances. If my business degree was worth anything it was the ability to analyze data and crunch the numbers. The finances are out there - look at them before opening your mouth to me.

[Ratherbedead22]

You obviously heard my opinion on it enough to make the original claim.

all i heard was MLLMillenium's quote earlier.

Also Tate, I'm going to have to say, for someone who puts so much value on buying music your a hypocrite for getting emulators. Way to steal games, you thief.

[Anton Djamoos]

Ah, well, when you start calling names - I call it a day. We're arguing over fucking video games, I feel like I should pull your hair and steal your lunch money. Maybe stick out my tounge or something.

All I'm saying is do a real case study of it - look at the finances. If my business degree was worth anything it was the ability to analyze data and crunch the numbers. The finances are out there - look at them before opening your mouth to me.
Don't give up because you're losing and try to construct a clever argument why you should stop talking.

You call names over music all the time. Since when is music more mature than video games? See: Britney Spears vs. GTA.

[MLLMillenium]

Ah, well, when you start calling names - I call it a day. We're arguing over fucking video games, I feel like I should pull your hair and steal your lunch money. Maybe stick out my tounge or something.

All I'm saying is do a real case study of it - look at the finances. If my business degree was worth anything it was the ability to analyze data and crunch the numbers. The finances are out there - look at them before opening your mouth to me.

Aww muffins.. arguing over video games which is rapidly becoming the largest entertainment industry in the world. It will soon be making more money then the film industry. more important then msuic obviously.

[Jason Tate]

The only reason you leave out the rest of the world is because if you showed those figues it would show how the DS is blowing PSP out of the water. Not to mention the GBA is still owning the industry. Money is made a global market, dont forget that.
GBA isn't even beating the DS in the US.

Fair enough, but remember that the PSP is a younger system, and has been out less than a year. In light of that fact, the PSP securing 28% of total market share (http://playstation.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://news.punchjump.com/article.php%3Fid=1760). For a new system competing with one building off a system out for over a decade - yah, that's fucking impressive.

[Anton Djamoos]

GBA isn't even beating the DS in the US.

Fair enough, but remember that the PSP is a younger system, and has been out less than a year. In light of that fact, the PSP securing 28% of total market share (http://playstation.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://news.punchjump.com/article.php%3Fid=1760). For a new system competing with one building off a system out for over a decade - yah, that's fucking impressive.
You're joking right? GBA has sold more units than any other video game system ever.

[Jason Tate]

Don't give up because you're losing and try to construct a clever argument why you should stop talking.

You call names over music all the time. Since when is music more mature than video games? See: Britney Spears vs. GTA.
If you really think I stoop to, "calling names" - you must not read what I type.

[Anton Djamoos]

If you really think I stoop to, "calling names" - you must not read what I type.
Tate, give me a break. If I had the patience and the time to go through your 16k posts, I'm sure I could find many instances of you "calling names."

[Jason Tate]

You're joking right? GBA has sold more units than any other video game system ever.
Yah, this is why you don't get your education at a Community College.

There, that's me calling names.

Of course, I'm being 1/2 serious. The GBA holds a 22% marketshare in the USA, behind the DS, and behind the PSP.

[Darren McLeod]

Jason, we're Nintendo fans. You're not gonna win.

Especially with that poor research. Come on man. We all regularly visit videogame forums where we have to face up against Sony and Microsoft fans who know their shit, so we've got eachother's backs and know everything.

Nintendo's financial numbers aren't bad. In fact, they could probably continue running a successful business on Pokemon royalties until the sun burns out. They are loaded.

Don't bring up PSP and DS numbers, because 3/4s of PSPs purchased are for the multimedia factor. Sony loses money on the PSPs sold, and if they don't sell software (which they aren't), they don't make money. DS outsells worldwide, and good work on leaving out the Game Boy Advance and Micro. You can't just look at what you want to. That's not even noting how Sony counts its sales as consoles shipped to a retailer, where Nintendo counts it as the numbers sold in stores. That's a huge difference when you consider how many systems are out on shelves.

Revolution will be a huge success. Nintendo can afford to make the price pretty much half of what Microsoft and Sony sell theirs for, and they'll actually make a profit. Developers are getting excited because they don't spend as much money in development. Developers are excited because Nintendo made it easy to develop for. Gamers are excited because it offers something new. They are going to bring in crowds of people that would never purchase a videogame system.

Your theory about Nintendo going bankrupt like Sega is ludicrous. Nintendo makes much smarter business decisions and they always make the profits they would expect to make. And the "candy land"/"kiddy game" argument has been around for years, but the fans are still there. Mario is no more "kiddy" than Halo or whatever "Mature" game you want to mention. Go on Xbox Live and listen to the sound of the voices in the chat, and you're lucky if one of those kids' balls have dropped. They're all 11-year olds who still think that guns and blood make a good game.

And FIFA Street sucks.

[Jason Tate]

Nintendo DS 6 million units to date in the U.S. and Japan combined, compared to 4.26 million units for the PSP.

With the DS being out longer, and the DS building on the handheld market already owned by Nintendo - SONY is not getting "beat down" as a few people have put it.

It sucks when the facts and data don't back up your dreams.

[MLLMillenium]

GBA isn't even beating the DS in the US.

Fair enough, but remember that the PSP is a younger system, and has been out less than a year. In light of that fact, the PSP securing 28% of total market share (http://playstation.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://news.punchjump.com/article.php%3Fid=1760). For a new system competing with one building off a system out for over a decade - yah, that's fucking impressive.

HAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahaahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaa.

Stick to music. Foreal. Hahahahaha.

[Jason Tate]

Jason, we're Nintendo fans. You're not gonna win.

Especially with that poor research. Come on man. We all regularly visit videogame forums where we have to face up against Sony and Microsoft fans who know their shit, so we've got eachother's backs and know everything.

Nintendo's financial numbers aren't bad. In fact, they could probably continue running a successful business on Pokemon royalties until the sun burns out. They are loaded.

Don't bring up PSP and DS numbers, because 3/4s of PSPs purchased are for the multimedia factor. Sony loses money on the PSPs sold, and if they don't sell software (which they aren't), they don't make money. DS outsells worldwide, and good work on leaving out the Game Boy Advance and Micro. You can't just look at what you want to. That's not even noting how Sony counts its sales as consoles shipped to a retailer, where Nintendo counts it as the numbers sold in stores. That's a huge difference when you consider how many systems are out on shelves.

Revolution will be a huge success. Nintendo can afford to make the price pretty much half of what Microsoft and Sony sell theirs for, and they'll actually make a profit. Developers are getting excited because they don't spend as much money in development. Developers are excited because Nintendo made it easy to develop for. Gamers are excited because it offers something new. They are going to bring in crowds of people that would never purchase a videogame system.

Your theory about Nintendo going bankrupt like Sega is ludicrous. Nintendo makes much smarter business decisions and they always make the profits they would expect to make. And the "candy land"/"kiddy game" argument has been around for years, but the fans are still there. Mario is no more "kiddy" than Halo or whatever "Mature" game you want to mention. Go on Xbox Live and listen to the sound of the voices in the chat, and you're lucky if one of those kids' balls have dropped. They're all 11-year olds who still think that guns and blood make a good game.

And FIFA Street sucks.
I'm ashamed to have a Nintendo supporter on staff.

Maybe you should write reviews instead of spending all your times on nintendo forums. :-P

finance.yahoo.com - go look through the SEC filings of some of these companies, then come back when you know what the CEOS of nintendo are even saying about the state of their company.

:rolleyes: - Seriously people.

[MLLMillenium]

Nintendo DS 6 million units to date in the U.S. and Japan combined, compared to 4.26 million units for the PSP.

With the DS being out longer, and the DS building on the handheld market already owned by Nintendo - SONY is not getting "beat down" as a few people have put it.

It sucks when the facts and data don't back up your dreams.

I'd love to see where you get these numbers from, sony.com maybe?

haha what utter BS

[Anton Djamoos]

Darren wins.

[MLLMillenium]

Darren, where have you been. Also good job on hitting those points.

[Jason Tate]

I'd love to see where you get these numbers from, sony.com maybe?

haha what utter BS
I already linked the source - try clicking. It's so much fun when you ignore the data that's out there! Turn a blind eye, and go play MARIO BROTHERS!! SWEET!!!

[Darren McLeod]

All I'm saying is do a real case study of it - look at the finances. If my business degree was worth anything it was the ability to analyze data and crunch the numbers. The finances are out there - look at them before opening your mouth to me.
If you really look at the finances, not how much gross income there was, but how much profit was made, you'll see Nintendo is doing fine. In fact, they are doing more than fine. If you want to analyze data and crunch numbers, go make fun of Microsoft fans because their company lost $4 billion in 4 years on the console.
http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2005/09/12/microsoft-management-software_cz_vm_0913microsoft.html
Or Sony, whose game division will lose just as much on PS3, even if they make up for it elsewhere.

Of course, I'm being 1/2 serious. The GBA holds a 22% marketshare in the USA, behind the DS, and behind the PSP.
Maybe if you mean sales this year, but if you look at how many people are holding onto their GBAs that bought them in years past, you'll realize the market is huge.

[fedhed7]

That was a beastly post.

[Ratherbedead22]

I'm ashamed to have a Nintendo supporter on staff.

Maybe you should write reviews instead of spending all your times on nintendo forums. :-P

finance.yahoo.com - go look through the SEC filings of some of these companies, then come back when you know what the CEOS of nintendo are even saying about the state of their company.

:rolleyes: - Seriously people.

i havent seen that smiley used. its honestly made me laugh.

[Anton Djamoos]

I'm ashamed to have a Nintendo supporter on staff.

Maybe you should write reviews instead of spending all your times on nintendo forums. :-P

finance.yahoo.com - go look through the SEC filings of some of these companies, then come back when you know what the CEOS of nintendo are even saying about the state of their company.

:rolleyes: - Seriously people.
I'm more inclined to believe Matt Cassamassina of IGN.com who has been in the industry for around a decade rather than a student fresh out of college who runs a punk site that doesn't even have any "real" punk. Oh snap, I went there.

Haha, just kidding on the punk comment.

[MLLMillenium]

That was a beastly post.

Haha I agree, it was like the A-bomb of videogame posts.

[Jason Tate]

If you really look at the finances, not how much gross income there was, but how much profit was made, you'll see Nintendo is doing fine. In fact, they are doing more than fine. If you want to analyze data and crunch numbers, go make fun of Microsoft fans because their company lost $4 billion in 4 years on the console.
http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2005/09/12/microsoft-management-software_cz_vm_0913microsoft.html
Or Sony, whose game division will lose just as much on PS3, even if they make up for it elsewhere.


Maybe if you mean sales this year, but if you look at how many people are holding onto their GBAs that bought them in years past, you'll realize the market is huge.
I always forget you've yet to take a college level finance course.

I'm not doing any of the ratios for you people - I'm leaving this thread. I'm an idiot for trying to talk finances with a bunch of nintendo junkies; obviously way over everyone's head.

I hope you all go to college.

[MLLMillenium]

I already linked the source - try clicking. It's so much fun when you ignore the data that's out there! Turn a blind eye, and go play MARIO BROTHERS!! SWEET!!!

Actually, I'm not into mario too much to be honest. Hes good and all but metroid is more my thing. Then link then maybe mario.

[MLLMillenium]

I always forget you've yet to take a college level finance course.

I'm not doing any of the ratios for you people - I'm leaving this thread. I'm an idiot for trying to talk finances with a bunch of nintendo junkies; obviously way over everyone's head.

I hope you all go to college.
Hahaha what a fucking copout.

Comon tate please, blow my mind. Give it a shot.

[Jason Tate]

I'm more inclined to believe Matt Cassamassina of IGN.com who has been in the industry for around a decade rather than a student fresh out of college who runs a punk site that doesn't even have any "real" punk. Oh snap, I went there.

Haha, just kidding on the punk comment.
And I'd rather belive Satoru Iwata. If you don't know who that is; then you shouldn't be posting on this topic to begin with.

[fedhed7]

Haha I agree, it was like the A-bomb of videogame posts.
I kind of want to put it in my sig, but nobody would get it.

[MLLMillenium]

And I'd rather belive Satoru Iwata. If you don't know who that is; then you shouldn't be posting on this topic to begin with.

Yeah, I bet on weekends he calls you up asking for finace help. i mean you apparently are better with money then a jewish accountant.

[Anton Djamoos]

And I'd rather belive Satoru Iwata. If you don't know who that is; then you shouldn't be posting on this topic to begin with.
You mean the President of Nintendo? Obviously I'm qualified.

[MLLMillenium]

I kind of want to put it in my sig, but nobody would get it.

haha it might be a wee bit large.

[Ratherbedead22]

I always forget you've yet to take a college level finance course.

I'm not doing any of the ratios for you people - I'm leaving this thread. I'm an idiot for trying to talk finances with a bunch of nintendo junkies; obviously way over everyone's head.

I hope you all go to college.

i hate this "im better than you " attitude.

[Jason Tate]

You mean the President of Nintendo? Obviously I'm qualified.
Now that you know how to work google, try searching for their financial data and letters to their stockholders.

[Jason Tate]

i hate this "im better than you " attitude.
I don't enjoy this "everyone is fucking retarded in this thread" very much either, but hey - that's what happens when you play Nintendo games.

[Anton Djamoos]

i hate this "im better than you " attitude.
Tate has every right to be better than us because he is. He runs a hugely successful business with this website that we are posting on right now. Though, just because we are his bitches because we are all slaves to it doesn't mean that we can't disagree with him every once in a while...especially when he's wrong.

[Darren McLeod]

I always forget you've yet to take a college level finance course.

I'm not doing any of the ratios for you people - I'm leaving this thread. I'm an idiot for trying to talk finances with a bunch of nintendo junkies; obviously way over everyone's head.

I hope you all go to college.
No, I haven't taken a college level finance course. It doesn't relate to my major and though I could go ask my finance buddies (who are taking business because, as they put it, "it's easy as fuck") about it, I don't see any point as I'm not sure where you're taking this. Yes, Nintendo sold the least amount of consoles, but they did so at a higher profit margin and make loads of money from many other endeavors (IE: handhelds, used schoolgirl panty vending machines in Japan, bukkake houses, etc). What happened in previous generations can't always predict what will happen the next time around.

[Ratherbedead22]

I don't enjoy this "everyone is fucking retarded in this thread" very much either, but hey - that's what happens when you play Nintendo games.

oh fuck you. go listen to fucking yellowcard or slick shoes or something.

[Anton Djamoos]

Now that you know how to work google, try searching for their financial data and letters to their stockholders.
You really think I don't know who Saturo Iwata is?

[Jason Tate]

oh fuck you. go listen to fucking yellowcard or slick shoes or something.
Ouch. I'm burning up inside. That hurts you criticized a band I don't listen to and one that has more talent then any you do. Good job!

[Ratherbedead22]

Tate has every right to be better than us because he is. He runs a hugely successful business with this website that we are posting on right now. Though, just because we are his bitches because we are all slaves to it doesn't mean that we can't disagree with him every once in a while...especially when he's wrong.

yeah he's done a great job with this website and i commend him on that. but fuck, calling us retards because we like nintendo?

[Anton Djamoos]

Ouch. I'm burning up inside. That hurts you criticized a band I don't listen to and one that has more talent then any you do. Good job!
Seriously though, you really think I don't know who Iwata is?

[Jason Tate]

No, I haven't taken a college level finance course. It doesn't relate to my major and though I could go ask my finance buddies (who are taking business because, as they put it, "it's easy as fuck") about it, I don't see any point as I'm not sure where you're taking this. Yes, Nintendo sold the least amount of consoles, but they did so at a higher profit margin and make loads of money from many other endeavors (IE: handhelds, used schoolgirl panty vending machines in Japan, bukkake houses, etc). What happened in previous generations can't always predict what will happen the next time around.

I don't know where you go to school, but the things I want to say would only leave me without a staff member. So I'm going to leave this thread ... I knew before starting it that Nintendo fans were retarded, at least the ensuing thread: proved it.

[Ratherbedead22]

Ouch. I'm burning up inside. That hurts you criticized a band I don't listen to and one that has more talent then any you do. Good job!

what does their talent have to do with anything?

[Jason Tate]

Seriously though, you really think I don't know who Iwata is?
The man who said, "the revolution will be the last console nintendo ever makes." Yep, glad you know him.

[Jason Tate]

what does their talent have to do with anything?
Mainly their ability to play music.

[Anton Djamoos]

The man who said, "the revolution will be the last console nintendo ever makes." Yep, glad you know him.
Source it please. Actually, nevermind. It'll take too long to find it and you probably won't be able to. Don't worry about it. I'll take your word for it.

[Darren McLeod]

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=NTDOY.PK&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=SNE

Comparison of finances between nintendo and sony.

[Darren McLeod]

Source it please. Actually, nevermind. It'll take too long to find it and you probably won't be able to. Don't worry about it. I'll take your word for it.
I think the closest thing he said is that Nintendo will stop making consoles when they stop making games, because people always ask if they'll fold the hardware business and just make software.

[Jason Tate]

Source it please. Actually, nevermind. It'll take too long to find it and you probably won't be able to. Don't worry about it. I'll take your word for it.

Forbes 02.15.06:

"but from here, all of Nintendo's innovations will be in the portable and software spaces. The Revolution will be the last home console Nintendo will make."

There's a quote from Iwata that I can't find at the moment, I'll look later.

[Darren McLeod]

I don't know where you go to school, but the things I want to say would only leave me without a staff member.
Haha, unless you're about to say "you're fired," I doubt that. I don't think you could get at me by being offensive... I had a roommate last year who told me he jerked off to The Passion Of The Christ because he loves watching Jesus die... so yeah.... i can take words, my friend.

[Ratherbedead22]

what i meant was what does their talent have anything do with this argument and all of us? so what if they can play a guitar better than i can.

i can spit a watermelon seed 20 feet. they cant do that better than me.

[Jason Tate]

what i meant was what does their talent have anything do with this argument and all of us? so what if they can play a guitar better than i can.

i can spit a watermelon seed 20 feet. they cant do that better than me.
You brought up the musical angle, not me; you should be answering that question.

[Anton Djamoos]

Forbes 02.15.06:

"but from here, all of Nintendo's innovations will be in the portable and software spaces. The Revolution will be the last home console Nintendo will make."

There's a quote from Iwata that I can't find at the moment, I'll look later.
Found it for you.

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2006/02/15/nintendo-handheld-lite-cx_po_0215autofacescan08.html

It's not a quote from Iwata, it's an assumption made by an analyst that was put into the article.

[FstFtsVsFences]

I haven't read everything yet, but one thing I do know is that Tate isn't the one to go to if you're looking for expert video game advice.

Revolution > PS3

[Jason Tate]

Ok, I really am leaving .. I want to go watch some DVDs.

[Anton Djamoos]

Ok, I really am leaving .. I want to go watch some DVDs.
You watching a umd disc on your PSP?

[Jason Tate]

:smacks head:

remote control that makes my arm tired vs blu-ray device. LEMME THINK.

shitty not HD vs HD graphcis.. HMMMM.

Regardless, the biggest nintendo apologist in this thread said the revolution is a SECONDARY system to the PS3.. so don't pull that.

[Jason Tate]

I don't have a PSP. I have one in a box in my room that I've been trying to send to the winner of the Green DAy concert for like a month, but he won't answer his email. But I don't play video games .. I just give their fans shit.

[Darren McLeod]

Alright, Jason's gone for good it seems. We win! He surrendered!

Let's turn this into a fanboy discussion.

Zelda not until Fall of 2006. Possibly because it will tie into revolution? Discuss.

[Ratherbedead22]

You brought up the musical angle, not me; you should be answering that question.

ah i was just resorting to ad hominem since you called us retarded. i was just wondering why their talent was brougth up.

[Ratherbedead22]

Alright, Jason's gone for good it seems. We win! He surrendered!

Let's turn this into a fanboy discussion.

Zelda not until Fall of 2006. Possibly because it will tie into revolution? Discuss.

yeah i heard that. sounds BA.

[Jason Tate]

ah i was just resorting to ad hominem since you called us retarded. i was just wondering why their talent was brougth up.
What the fuck are you talking about? Good lord, I have to leave before I find a way to punch people through the internet.