Support our troops and our president, say no to terrorism

[Atomic Punk]

it's perfectly fine that some of you don't agree with this war. but now is the time to realize we're already at war, so you should support our troops over there, who are fighting to protect your right to protest in the first place. they dont want your sympathy, they know what they're there for. they need our support now, whether you agree with what they're fighting for or not.

[The Nephilm]

pretty much everyone sympathizes for the troops because they are just following orders. i'll support them and hope that they come home safe, but I will never support what they are doing.

[bossydacow]

I agree with Nephilm. I have friends who have family out there and I pray they get home safely. But I can't stand when people say that we should shut up just because the war has started. I love America and I don't want other countries thinking were a bunch of war-mongering ass holes sitting up on our hill. The anti-war protest and the media attention they are getting is an excellent way to not only voice concern for our troops, but also show the rest of the world that all americans aren't dickheads.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
The anti-war protest and the media attention they are getting is an excellent way to not only voice concern for our troops, but also show the rest of the world that all americans aren't dickheads.


the media attention that the protests are getting makes it look like all the anti-war protesters are dickheads...

[therealhebm]

Originally posted by yeat182
the media attention that the protests are getting makes it look like all the anti-war protesters are dickheads...

and deservedly so

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by yeat182
the media attention that the protests are getting makes it look like all the anti-war protesters are dickheads...

some are acting stupid. But it shows the other countries that not everyone in America is looking to blow up Iraq. Thats all that matters to me.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
some are acting stupid. But it shows the other countries that not everyone in America is looking to blow up Iraq. Thats all that matters to me.

it makes other countries think that everyone in america is against the war and that the government is acting against the people's wishes. they don't understand that the silent majority supports the war.

[Atomic Punk]

yeah they dont show that the silent majority (the poeple with LIVES and JOBS) supports our president. and this war.

[evil zach]

Your right. All of the protesters are vagrants with no lives. Heaven forbid anybody would sacrifce a days pay to stand up for somthing they belive in.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
Your right. All of the protesters are vagrants with no lives. Heaven forbid anybody would sacrifce a days pay to stand up for somthing they belive in.

yeah, that definatly isn't true, most of them are students, or simply take the day off.

[Atomic Punk]

what are you talking about? anti war protesters stand on the corner by my house every single day. they're always the same people and they always look like they never take showers and they're not young enought to still be students. i'm pretty sure that most peoples' bosses wouldnt be too cool with giving them the day off every day. what i'm saying is that a lot of the people in favor of the war have families and jobs and lives so they can't just drop everything and go to anti-war rallies every day. that's why you don't see people like that rallying and protesting every single thing they're unhappy about. because those same people also sat on the corner by my house and rallied about making smoking illegal in public. it's like they're professional protesters or something.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
yeah they dont show that the silent majority (the poeple with LIVES and JOBS) supports our president. and this war.

that is such an over-generalization. My mother has protested this war, and she obviously has a good-ass paying job so that she and my dad can afford to spend more then $10,000 per year for my brother's high school education, and $13,000 per year for mine, and pay for my brother's college tuition now, as well as what mine will cost when I go in two years, and still live comfortably. So obviously my mother works a 9 to 5, has a life, is on the school board of trustees and she protests. People do know how to multi task (especially when the cause is right).I'm sure there are many others like her.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
that is such an over-generalization. My mother has protested this war, and she obviously has a good-ass paying job so that she and my dad can afford to spend more then $10,000 per year for my brother's high school education, and $13,000 per year for mine, and pay for my brother's college tuition now, as well as what mine will cost when I go in two years, and still live comfortably. So obviously my mother works a 9 to 5, has a life, is on the school board of trustees and she protests. People do know how to multi task (especially when the cause is right).I'm sure there are many others like her.
what do your parents do for a living?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
Your right. All of the protesters are vagrants with no lives. Heaven forbid anybody would sacrifce a days pay to stand up for somthing they belive in.
Most of these people dont have jobs to sacrafice day or two's pay

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Most of these people dont have jobs to sacrafice day or two's pay

yes because protestors are poor

you are fucking pathetic.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
yes because protestors are poor

you are fucking pathetic.
how about instead of calling me pathetic, you find me some facts, so i have something to base your thoughts on.
"Fuck off dumbass" isnt going to cut it for long....
I would love to see you run for some political position and when your opponent makes a point that shows you are wrong, you say "Bitchmothafucka"

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
how about instead of calling me pathetic, you find me some facts, so i have something to base your thoughts on.
"Fuck off dumbass" isnt going to cut it for long....
I would love to see you run for some political position and when your opponent makes a point that shows you are wrong, you say "Bitchmothafucka"


ok

you are an ignorant piece of shit. I thought that maybe you would realize your stupidity, but I'll have to point it out to you.

1) Education Leads to better pay

2) Those who are more educated, are more liberal on the whole

3) Therefore those who are protesting (are educated) and most likely make more money than your trailor trash parents.

Or you could realize the fact that for a lot of the people there, PROTESTING IS THEIR JOB.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
ok

you are an ignorant piece of shit. I thought that maybe you would realize your stupidity, but I'll have to point it out to you.

1) Education Leads to better pay

2) Those who are more educated, are more liberal on the whole

3) Therefore those who are protesting (are educated) and most likely make more money than your trailor trash parents.

Or you could realize the fact that for a lot of the people there, PROTESTING IS THEIR JOB.
If education leads to better pay (which it does) then why are Republicans always called rich jackholes? My parents are far from trailor trash too. My dad spent 13 years in the military as a doctor, and now owns his own practice, very conservative, very educated, living well, actually in the top 1% of America according to Al Gore, so next time you make a weak attack at me, come at me with some facts, ok?

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
If education leads to better pay (which it does) then why are Republicans always called rich jackholes? My parents are far from trailor trash too. My dad spent 13 years in the military as a doctor, and now owns his own practice, very conservative, very educated, living well, actually in the top 1% of America according to Al Gore, so next time you make a weak attack at me, come at me with some facts, ok?

someone else can handle this

i can't argue with high school **** anymore

[evil zach]

2 posts ago you called him ignorant, and now you make a homophobic remark. Although i do agree with you for the most part, hypocracy detracts from arguments.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
someone else can handle this

i can't argue with high school **** anymore
Oh you son of a bitch! I prove you wrong and you run a way like a fucking pussy! Damn grow some testicles and admit you were wrong. You stupid hypocritical dumbfuck. My god. I hope you get shot. You fucking pussy. Admit it, you were wrong, thats all I ask, dumbass. God!

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by cal1082
you're argument up there is all based on this fact. Where did you get it?
from his ass

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by evil zach
2 posts ago you called him ignorant, and now you make a homophobic remark. Although i do agree with you for the most part, hypocracy detracts from arguments.

zach calling someone a *** is not homophobic, at least in my neck of the woods. I'm sorry if it is to you, and I won't do it again.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by cal1082
you're argument up there is all based on this fact. Where did you get it?

go poll a college campus, as long as it isn't in backwater texas, and the majority of students will be liberal. there are countless studies on it.

some please, brandnew, shut the fuck up already.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
go poll a college campus, as long as it isn't in backwater texas, and the majority of students will be liberal. there are countless studies on it.

some please, brandnew, shut the fuck up already.
i proved you wrong you dumbfuck, and you didnt answer my question, how come republicans are called rich bastards, when money=education and education=liberals, so republican=liberal? dont think so

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
i proved you wrong you dumbfuck, and you didnt answer my question, how come republicans are called rich bastards, when money=education and education=liberals, so republican=liberal? dont think so

the majority of the poor are republican.

money does = education and education=liberals.

I answered your question, your just using a stereotype of the rich in the country.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
zach calling someone a *** is not homophobic, at least in my neck of the woods. I'm sorry if it is to you, and I won't do it again.
That's really odd. Other then cigarettes I have never heard it used in an un-homophobic ocontext, but then again we live in diferent places, and slang is often localized. Any way, I do find it offensive and I would apreciate it if you didn't use it, but if you don occasion I'll let it slide.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
the majority of the poor are republican.

money does = education and education=liberals.

I answered your question, your just using a stereotype of the rich in the country.

That is the dumbest thing you've ever written, ALMOST all poor people are DEMOCRATES, where the fuck are you from, where i live there are whole impoverished counties, where ever person in the county votes democrate, who for the most part keep them impoverished.
If most poor people vote republican, why is it that every impoverished urban area is always run by a Democratic machine, ie Chicago, St. Louis, Harlem, Philly, Boston....?
Does it make it a fact the more you type it? (just jokin).


As for education = liberals this is just stupid, just because your professors in college are liberal, it doesn't mean that all educated people are. Professors live very sheltered lives away from the norm of society so there theories are never tested. Book smarts don't equal intelligence, real life experinces does. And that is why most people once they graduate from college become more conservative over time, because CONSERVATIVE ideas work in the real world, while LIBERIAL ideas fail.

a better analogy would be youth= liberalism because they lack experinces, and age= conservativism because they've seen there real world.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
what do your parents do for a living?
my mother is a lawyer. my dad is a sales executive or something. He sells dental insurance plans to corporations, like casinos and blue cross. i think.

[yeat182]

i would agree that most students on a college campus are probably liberal, but then again, they haven't completed their education...

[yeat182]

true, but i live near boston, and most of the protests latley have been filled with college kids from harvard and MIT. these schools are so liberal that the proffesors cancelled midterms to let the kids protest the war.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
As for education = liberals this is just stupid, just because your professors in college are liberal, it doesn't mean that all educated people are. Professors live very sheltered lives away from the norm of society so there theories are never tested. Book smarts don't equal intelligence, real life experinces does. And that is why most people once they graduate from college become more conservative over time, because CONSERVATIVE ideas work in the real world, while LIBERIAL ideas fail.

a better analogy would be youth= liberalism because they lack experinces, and age= conservativism because they've seen there real world.

Where would the world be without the liberal thinkers of history?Someone thinking outside of the box. Thinking about what could be? Probably still banging rocks together.

[yeat182]

very true, but i also agree that most young people are liberal because they lack experience.

[evil zach]

I'm pretty sure it was a liberal who first banged rocks together.

[yeat182]

i'm pretty sure it was a liberal that first banged rockstars

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm

you are an ignorant piece of shit. whole

3) Therefore those who are protesting (are educated)
Or you could realize the fact that for a lot of the people there, PROTESTING IS THEIR JOB.



Protesting is a job that pays well, what are the government hand outs providing these days?

I've been to an anti-bush.............oh i mean anti-war protest and the last thing i came away with was that these people were educated, well at least not past the 6th or 7th grade. Being able to come up with slogans does not mean your educated. These protesters lack substances (or knowledge) they just know what they've been told.

At the riot..oh rally i talked to this girl holding a sign that read something like "NOW (national org. of womyn) against the war." So i asked her how did she feel about the womyn suffering against the oppressive dictator saddum that she wanted to stay in power. So she said "well bush has done more to hurt womyn then he has," and i was speachless i'd never been confronted by some one so stupid, so I told her about the forced group rape of womyn whos husbands might have be against saddum, or the torturing of children in front of there mothers, or the forced insertion of objects in the vaginal area to get womyn to talk. And she was dumb founded she couldn't even answer my question she just looked at me, and then walked off, she couldn't even back of her views. All she could do was write a pretty slogan.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
I'm pretty sure it was a liberal who first banged rocks together.

But i'd also bet it was liberal who first stole.

[yeat182]

no one takes pretty girls seriously...



just kidding

[bossydacow]

aristotle - his whole thought, and his concepts are still a huge part of learning in Western culture.
, Jesus - challenged the convential jewish beliefs and is the founder of the largest religion in the world.
Gandhi - without him, India wouldn't be independent, abolished discrimination of the "untouchables", and showed the world that we can win with non-violence.
MLK - you should all know what he's done.

now think of what the world would be like without these men. Think of the people you know and think of what they would be like.

[yeat182]

i don't think you can compare what is now considered a liberal/conservative to people like aristotle, who lived centuries ago.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
aristotle - his whole thought, and his concepts are still a huge part of learning in Western culture.
, Jesus - challenged the convential jewish beliefs and is the founder of the largest religion in the world.
Gandhi - without him, India wouldn't be independent, abolished discrimination of the "untouchables", and showed the world that we can win with non-violence.
MLK - you should all know what he's done.

now think of what the world would be like without these men. Think of the people you know and think of what they would be like.

Your going off subject here, liberal Philosophy is one thing, liberal politics are another.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
Your going off subject here, liberal Philosophy is one thing, liberal politics are another.

exactly

[bossydacow]

in his time, he was a liberal. They all were. Thats the point.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
the majority of the poor are republican.

money does = education and education=liberals.

I answered your question, your just using a stereotype of the rich in the country.

Originally posted by Want Bush Dead
whoever told u that was sadly mistaken.... poor - democrat/other
rich=fucking bull shit republican

This kid seems to have a different point of view

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
in his time, he was a liberal. They all were. Thats the point.

YOUR TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM LIBERAL POLITICS, which is what were talking about.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
So you think Jesus Christ was a liberal. lol lol

It's stupid comments like that, that make people with normal comments seem genius.

why wouldn't Jesus be a liberal. Everyone around him except a few people thought he was a horrible person. It's my understanding that Jews don't refer to God as Father, or even say his name except in a few occasions. And here was this carpenter claiming to be the ACTUAL SON of God. They also thought that the Messiah would be this great King and warrior, but Jesus was just a man. He changed the views on what the Messiah would be, by preaching peace, and love thy neighbor, and he who has not sinned may cast the first stone. All of his ideas were outrageous for the times. Certainly not conservative.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
why wouldn't Jesus be a liberal. Everyone around him except a few people thought he was a horrible person. It's my understanding that Jews don't refer to God as Father, or even say his name except in a few occasions. And here was this carpenter claiming to be the ACTUAL SON of God. They also thought that the Messiah would be this great King and warrior, but Jesus was just a man. He changed the views on what the Messiah would be, by preaching peace, and love thy neighbor, and he who has not sinned may cast the first stone. All of his ideas were outrageous for the times. Certainly not conservative.

we are talking politics, not philosophy

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
YOUR TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM LIBERAL POLITICS, which is what were talking about.

Gandhi, MLK, and Aristotle's liberal philosophies all entered into politics. It brought India liberation, blacks civil rights, and schools academic freedom.

[bossydacow]

politics and philosophy are interwoven.

[yeat182]

aristotle lived thousands of years ago, i find it hard to cram him into the modern definition of a liberal

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
why wouldn't Jesus be a liberal. Everyone around him except a few people thought he was a horrible person. It's my understanding that Jews don't refer to God as Father, or even say his name except in a few occasions. And here was this carpenter claiming to be the ACTUAL SON of God. They also thought that the Messiah would be this great King and warrior, but Jesus was just a man. He changed the views on what the Messiah would be, by preaching peace, and love thy neighbor, and he who has not sinned may cast the first stone. All of his ideas were outrageous for the times. Certainly not conservative.

nothing you said would put Jesus in the liberal "party" as we know it today, sorry.


Also there are two types of jews, one that dont believe in jesus and one that thinks he was a minor profit (i know thats not the right spelling but i suck at spelling so live with it) and not the savior. The first is orthadox and the other is called something else.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
politics and philosophy are interwoven.

Not in the american democratic party.

[bossydacow]

I'm not saying he would be liberal today, I'm saying he was liberal for his time, and if it weren't for those liberals, we would be living in a society that the people of today would deem extremely backward.
Are you sure your not confusing the Jewish types with Islam? Because we had a Jewish scholar come speak to my christian scriptures class freshman year, and she got super pissed when we asked about Jesus and said that he's a wacko, and no Jewish people believed in him at all. He was just a pyscho to them.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'm not saying he would be liberal today, I'm saying he was liberal for his time, and if it weren't for those liberals, we would be living in a society that the people of today would deem extremely backward.
Are you sure your not confusing the Jewish types with Islam? Because we had a Jewish scholar come speak to my christian scriptures class freshman year, and she got super pissed when we asked about Jesus and said that he's a wacko, and no Jewish people believed in him at all. He was just a pyscho to them.
Because she was ultra orthadox. The to different forms don't see each others as equals.

[yeat182]

but being a liberal thinker is different from being a liberal politically

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
but being a liberal thinker is different from being a liberal politically
generally falls hand in hand

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'm not saying he would be liberal today, I'm saying he was liberal for his time, and if it weren't for those liberals, we would be living in a society that the people of today would deem extremely backward.


he was liberal in his ideas and theres nothing wrong with that and i wouldn't disagree with that, liberal ideas are good and have helped out in the world. But its when the political ideas of liberalism and politicitians get to gether that all LIBERAL ideas fail.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
generally falls hand in hand

Shut up! no they dont, go back to twiddling your thumbs.

[bossydacow]

ohmigod! How hard is this to get?
I A-M T-R-Y-I-N-G T-O S-A-Y T-H-A-T T-H-E W-O-R-L-D W-O-U-L-D B-E I-N A E-N-T-I-R-E-L-Y D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T C-O-N-D-I-T-I-O-N W-I-T-H-O-U-T L-I-B-E-R-A-L T-H-I-N-K-E-R-S.
Throughout history, the concept of what is liberal and what is conservative evolves, but in every era there is liberalism and conservatism. What was liberal 300 years ago, is probably not considered liberal today, but 300 years ago, it was still liberal, still pushing the envelope, and still making people think. Without these liberal view points, the world would not have made any progress. Hasn't anyone read Inherit the Wind, where the fundementalist tells the liberal guy that the liberal guy has become distant from the fundmentalist and the liberal answers, "All motion is relative, perhaps it is you who has moved away, by standing still?"

[bossydacow]

why is everyone talking about democrats? I'm not a democrat! are you?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
why is everyone talking about democrats? I'm not a democrat! are you?
dont tell me you are green

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
why is everyone talking about democrats? I'm not a democrat! are you?

because you changed the topic midway through the thread.

[bossydacow]

I'm not anything...yet. I've been researching platforms because I'd like to do volunteer stuff for a political party this summer. So far the parties that i've looked at are libertarians, republicans, democrats, greens, and independent. So far the two parties that haven't bugged the crap out of me are green and independent. But I don't feel like I belong to anyone of those parties. So, I'm having a tough time. I may just find a charity organization or something, because I want to do something, and help something that I really, truly believe in.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'm not anything...yet. I've been researching platforms because I'd like to do volunteer stuff for a political party this summer. So far the parties that i've looked at are libertarians, republicans, democrats, greens, and independent. So far the two parties that haven't bugged the crap out of me are green and independent. But I don't feel like I belong to anyone of those parties. So, I'm having a tough time. I may just find a charity organization or something, because I want to do something, and help something that I really, truly believe in.

Independent isn't a political party if it was it would n't be independent.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'm not anything...yet. I've been researching platforms because I'd like to do volunteer stuff for a political party this summer. So far the parties that i've looked at are libertarians, republicans, democrats, greens, and independent. So far the two parties that haven't bugged the crap out of me are green and independent. But I don't feel like I belong to anyone of those parties. So, I'm having a tough time. I may just find a charity organization or something, because I want to do something, and help something that I really, truly believe in.
libertarians are down in my book. as long as you dont go green or democrat...you are too. please dont go green

[bossydacow]

I know that. and its frustrating to me. I just added it on there because there website has a lot of stuff I agree with. Unfortunately, assholes like Jesse Ventura are independent, and he makes me want to shy away.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'm not anything...yet. I've been researching platforms because I'd like to do volunteer stuff for a political party this summer. So far the parties that i've looked at are libertarians, republicans, democrats, greens, and independent. So far the two parties that haven't bugged the crap out of me are green and independent. But I don't feel like I belong to anyone of those parties. So, I'm having a tough time. I may just find a charity organization or something, because I want to do something, and help something that I really, truly believe in.

If i was you i wouldn't volunteer with a political party because it will only dishearten you. Trust me i use to volunteer, and you wont like how the "Parties" trully act.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
libertarians are down in my book. as long as you dont go green or democrat...you are too. please dont go green

libertarians scare the shit out of me!

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
libertarians are down in my book. as long as you dont go green or democrat...you are too. please dont go green

If people put trees over people thats there opinion not yours.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
If people put trees over people thats there opinion not yours.
and i dont have the right to say that opinion is just dumb and retarded? i just think its dumb to handicap normal life just to save a baracuda caterpillar (i made that up, but you get the point) from extinction. i mean if you've never heard of the damn animal, why try and pass measures through congress only allowing each human 1/2 gallon of water a day (again i am making up that expample, but you get my point)



this is funny

[Atomic Punk]

the bible says there's a time for peace and a time for war. i dont know if that's related. i just thought i would point that out since most liberal whackos seem to think that there's never a time for war. ever. and also i highly doubt that Jesus was liberal. Jesus wasn't stupid.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
That is the dumbest thing you've ever written, ALMOST all poor people are DEMOCRATES, where the fuck are you from, where i live there are whole impoverished counties, where ever person in the county votes democrate, who for the most part keep them impoverished.
If most poor people vote republican, why is it that every impoverished urban area is always run by a Democratic machine, ie Chicago, St. Louis, Harlem, Philly, Boston....?
Does it make it a fact the more you type it? (just jokin).


As for education = liberals this is just stupid, just because your professors in college are liberal, it doesn't mean that all educated people are. Professors live very sheltered lives away from the norm of society so there theories are never tested. Book smarts don't equal intelligence, real life experinces does. And that is why most people once they graduate from college become more conservative over time, because CONSERVATIVE ideas work in the real world, while LIBERIAL ideas fail.

a better analogy would be youth= liberalism because they lack experinces, and age= conservativism because they've seen there real world.

Justin, go take a look at any voting demographics record. Every big city votes democrat and every rural area votes republican. Middle class make up the majority of big cities (yes there are impoverished areas, but that is only a small percentage of a cities population). The rural areas in America, that contain a lot more poor people percentage wise CONSTANTLY vote republican.

And there are thousands of polls that show with more education comes a more liberal thinking attitude.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by broknhartedlosr
i told this guy in my class the other day that i was a christian. later i told him i was for the war. he got all disgusted with me because he said god would never support this war.

i said, "are you kidding?"

'NO!"

"so you think this based on the fact that there...are no...wars...in the...bible...?" i ask.

"YES!"

"you...moron. there are no less than thirty wars in the bible, where god pointed out a nation who's behavior was offensive to him and ordered that the nation be destroyed."

and i showed him my old testament and about five examples. and lectured him on actually knowing what the heck he was talking about before speaking.

people that are stupid...are stupid.

I believe he was getting at the fact that your 'god' would never condone an illegal and immoral war. But yes he didn't know what he was talking about as far as biblical knowledge.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Justin, go take a look at any voting demographics record. Every big city votes democrat and every rural area votes republican. Middle class make up the majority of big cities (yes there are impoverished areas, but that is only a small percentage of a cities population). The rural areas in America, that contain a lot more poor people percentage wise CONSTANTLY vote republican.

And there are thousands of polls that show with more education comes a more liberal thinking attitude.
How many bums live in cities? How many in rural areas? The reason cities are more democratic isnt because more educated people live there, it because thats where the trend is at. Liberals follow trends like a drug dog follows Daryl Strawberry. Art is in the city. How many conservatives care too much about art? Fashion? Theater? Not too many. Republicans tend to be richer, richer people tend to be republicans due to their economic views. Why would you be a part of a party who takes away all of your money? People these days vote with their wallet unfortunentaly as opposed to views on war or abortion. Now tell me why a rich person would want his money taken away? Find me 50 CEO's of major companies, i bet you ATLEAST 40 of them are Conservative.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I believe he was getting at the fact that your 'god' would never condone an illegal and immoral war. But yes he didn't know what he was talking about as far as biblical knowledge.
Whats with the "god"? Quotes either mean you are citing the name God from another place, or you are using it in a sarcastic manner. For some reason I believe its a sarcastic manner, just a hunch. So, who is your "god"?

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Whats with the "god"? Quotes either mean you are citing the name God from another place, or you are using it in a sarcastic manner. For some reason I believe its a sarcastic manner, just a hunch. So, who is your "god"?

there is no 'god'

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
How many bums live in cities? How many in rural areas? The reason cities are more democratic isnt because more educated people live there, it because thats where the trend is at. Liberals follow trends like a drug dog follows Daryl Strawberry. Art is in the city. How many conservatives care too much about art? Fashion? Theater? Not too many. Republicans tend to be richer, richer people tend to be republicans due to their economic views. Why would you be a part of a party who takes away all of your money? People these days vote with their wallet unfortunentaly as opposed to views on war or abortion. Now tell me why a rich person would want his money taken away? Find me 50 CEO's of major companies, i bet you ATLEAST 40 of them are Conservative.

Poor live in rural areas. End of discussion.

As for CEO's, yes of course they are extremely conservitive. But your talking about the top 1% of the population here, idiot.

[Atomic Punk]

where the hell do you get this supposed fact that people who live in rural areas are poor. rural areas generally have more rich people because they want to live away from noises. but they also have poor people. they're pretty evenly spread out. but most poor people vote democrat because they want to keep giving welfare to lazy bums.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Poor live in rural areas. End of discussion.

As for CEO's, yes of course they are extremely conservitive. But your talking about the top 1% of the population here, idiot.
Just because they are the top one percent doesnt disqualify them. They are rich and republican.

[therealhebm]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Unfortunately, assholes like Jesse Ventura are independent, and he makes me want to shy away.

DONT YOU EVER FUCKING INSULT JESSE VENTURA IN THIS HOUSE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Justin, go take a look at any voting demographics record. Every big city votes democrat and every rural area votes republican. Middle class make up the majority of big cities (yes there are impoverished areas, but that is only a small percentage of a cities population). The rural areas in America, that contain a lot more poor people percentage wise CONSTANTLY vote republican.

And there are thousands of polls that show with more education comes a more liberal thinking attitude.


Rural doesn't mean poor, certain areas it may, but the majority of rural people live on less money because it takes less money to live.

Liberal thinking is one thing, liberal politics are another, i consider myself very opened minded, i love arts, period piece movies, i like theater, i love reading, music of all sorts is my life, and all these things are very Liberal in appreciation, but when it comes to politics i see things differently im more "real world" oriented, i go by what is good in practice rather then what is good in theory. But does that mean i lack liberals thoughts?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Poor live in rural areas. End of discussion.


I hope your not serious, there are alot more "poor" people in the major cities then there are in the "country".

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
I hope your not serious, there are alot more "poor" people in the major cities then there are in the "country".

I hope your ready to back that up. The poor population of a major city may bumber a few hundred thousand, but the poor population in rural areas will double that at least.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I hope your ready to back that up. The poor population of a major city may bumber a few hundred thousand, but the poor population in rural areas will double that at least.

OK ready...................
IN 2000
Urban areas in USA have 24,296,000 people living around the poverty rate, with 12,967,000 living in the city center and 11,329,000 in the surrounding areas.

While the rural areas had 6,843,000 people living around the poverty rate.


IN 1999
Urban areas in the USA had 24,816,000 people living around the poverty rate, with 13,123,000 in the city center and 11,693,000 in surrounding areas.

While rural ares had 7,442,000 people living around the poverty level.

This was from the US census web site, is that enough proof for you.

So "Actually" its just the opposite of what you said.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
OK ready...................
IN 2000
Urban areas in USA have 24,296,000 people living around the poverty rate, with 12,967,000 living in the city center and 11,329,000 in the surrounding areas.

While the rural areas had 6,843,000 people living around the poverty rate.


IN 1999
Urban areas in the USA had 24,816,000 people living around the poverty rate, with 13,123,000 in the city center and 11,693,000 in surrounding areas.

While rural ares had 7,442,000 people living around the poverty level.

This was from the US census web site, is that enough proof for you.

So "Actually" its just the opposite of what you said.
Oh Burn! Suck on those stats neph! Good work Justin

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Oh Burn! Suck on those stats neph! Good work Justin

I'm tring to be civil here, please dont use my posts to start a fight with Nep. Ok.

[Atomic Punk]

Ok... right... so how did my post about how we should support our troops turn into one about how more poor people live in rural areas as opposed to urban areas?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
Ok... right... so how did my post about how we should support our troops turn into one about how more poor people live in rural areas as opposed to urban areas?

?

sorry, someone must have started something awhile back about it.

[Atomic Punk]

haha ok.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy

Liberal thinking is one thing, liberal politics are another, i consider myself very opened minded, i love arts, period piece movies, i like theater, i love reading, music of all sorts is my life, and all these things are very Liberal in appreciation, but when it comes to politics i see things differently im more "real world" oriented, i go by what is good in practice rather then what is good in theory. But does that mean i lack liberals thoughts?

i feel the same

[BrandNewRock05]

You are right, liberal views and politics are completely different

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by broknhartedlosr
i told this guy in my class the other day that i was a christian. later i told him i was for the war. he got all disgusted with me because he said god would never support this war.

i said, "are you kidding?"

'NO!"

"so you think this based on the fact that there...are no...wars...in the...bible...?" i ask.

"YES!"

"you...moron. there are no less than thirty wars in the bible, where god pointed out a nation who's behavior was offensive to him and ordered that the nation be destroyed."

and i showed him my old testament and about five examples. and lectured him on actually knowing what the heck he was talking about before speaking.

people that are stupid...are stupid.

But then Jesus comes, and preaches a new philosophy, one of peace. The Jews were expecting the Messiad to be a great warrior, that why they didn't think a peace-preaching simple man like Jesus of Nazareth could actually be the Messiah. Jesus' appearance and his message completely disregard the previous teachings of the Old Testement, and he shows people that God is a kind, forgiving, unvengeful being.

[bossydacow]

and all christians know our duty is to live in His image, by His example.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by therealhebm
DONT YOU EVER FUCKING INSULT JESSE VENTURA IN THIS HOUSE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

whatever dude. I had to spend the last couple years with that jackass as my governor, making an ass of our state. He is so arrogant.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
whatever dude. I had to spend the last couple years with that jackass as my governor, making an ass of our state. He is so arrogant.

i think it would be cool, what other state can you where a shirt that says my govnor can bet up yours?

[your moms hot]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
i think it would be cool, what other state can you where a shirt that says my govnor can bet up yours?
yeah...but dude...how cool would it be to have to say my governor runs around in pink spandex??

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by your moms hot
yeah...but dude...how cool would it be to have to say my governor runs around in pink spandex??

thats almost sig worthy if people would get it out side of this thread.

[Atomic Punk]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
there is no 'god'

There is too and God. And he happened to have created you so show some appriciation you stupid dumb fuck.:p

[Atomic Punk]

Originally posted by bossydacow
whatever dude. I had to spend the last couple years with that jackass as my governor, making an ass of our state. He is so arrogant.


Dude! you're from Mineesota??!?! So am I!!!! I lie about being from Ireland)

[Atomic Punk]

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
There is too and God. And he happened to have created you so show some appriciation you stupid dumb fuck.:p


sorry for calling you a stupid dumb fuck that was innapropriate. and uncalled for.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
OK ready...................
IN 2000
Urban areas in USA have 24,296,000 people living around the poverty rate, with 12,967,000 living in the city center and 11,329,000 in the surrounding areas.

While the rural areas had 6,843,000 people living around the poverty rate.


IN 1999
Urban areas in the USA had 24,816,000 people living around the poverty rate, with 13,123,000 in the city center and 11,693,000 in surrounding areas.

While rural ares had 7,442,000 people living around the poverty level.

This was from the US census web site, is that enough proof for you.

So "Actually" its just the opposite of what you said.

Justin, I'm not talking about the poverty line here. Yes there are a lot more people who earn NOTHING living in big cities because they need to be there to survive on welfare. I'm talking about the lower class.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
There is too and God. And he happened to have created you so show some appriciation you stupid dumb fuck.:p

And that same god happened to kill my brother with AIDS, so if he does exist fuck him I'd rather go to hell than live with something that has turned the human race into a blithering pack of wolves.

[WithStamin]

And that same god happened to kill my brother with AIDS, so if he does exist fuck him
God killed your brother with AIDS? Last time I checked, the most common way for AIDS to be spread is through unsafe sex or drug use. Usless he was given an unsafe needle by a doctor, it was his own fault. It wasn't God who made that choice, it was his alone.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by WithStamin
God killed your brother with AIDS? Last time I checked, the most common way for AIDS to be spread is through unsafe sex or drug use. Usless he was given an unsafe needle by a doctor, it was his own fault. It wasn't God who made that choice, it was his alone.

reguardless if a god existed and wasn't a maniacle bastard he wouldn't let his 'people' be infected with diseases, or allow wars to happen, or murders or rape etc.

and don't give me the christian doctrine crap of breaking the covenant or offer me explination with the book of Job. It's all crap.

if there ever was a god, he/she/it is long dead.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
i think it would be cool, what other state can you where a shirt that says my govnor can bet up yours?

thats only cool for the first 5 min. Then he starts talking about himself, shuts down the Governor's mansion, and gets super super pissed any time some one criticizes him.

[therealhebm]

Originally posted by bossydacow
thats only cool for the first 5 min. Then he starts talking about himself, shuts down the Governor's mansion, and gets super super pissed any time some one criticizes him.


But he said "I ain't got time to bleed" , you cant beat that. end of discussion.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Justin, I'm not talking about the poverty line here. Yes there are a lot more people who earn NOTHING living in big cities because they need to be there to survive on welfare. I'm talking about the lower class.

Can you restate that, i dont really follow ya.

Also welfare helps those in the country just that same as it does those in the city.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
Can you restate that, i dont really follow ya.

Also welfare helps those in the country just that same as it does those in the city.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by broknhartedlosr
are you kidding?

i really hope you are.

in case you're not, i'll set you straight (and others, who might've believed this).

DISCLAIMER; IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS OR GOD, DON'T READ ON. THIS IS STRICTLY MY BELIEF. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, THAT'S FINE. PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK ME FOR IT. i really don't want to turn this into a religious discussion.

that's competely untrue. saying that god wants christians to disregard the old testament is rubbish. i don't know what branch of christianity you ascribe to, but it's pretty corrupt if it thinks that.

saying god wants christians to ignore the old testament is like a parent telling their child not to listen to two thirds of the things they have told them.

god IS vengeful. he is also infinitely forgiving, too, but he has wrath. not wrath against humans, whom he loves completely, but wrath against sin itself, which is present in humans.

those wars in the old testament were not attacks on people, but attacks on sin which the people exemplified.

what about when jesus burst into the temple and destroyed the market place there? he was acting on god's behalf. he was desroying something that god found offensive, immoral. was that not an act of vengeance on sin?

the old testament is important. if god wanted the old testament to be ignored, he never would have had it written in the first place. god doesn't make mistakes. he doesn't do something then go back and say, "okay, ignore all that, i flubbed it up." it is there for a reason, for christians to read and learn from.

please do not continue to post things which you really don't know about, because it could impropperly inform other people.

since your obviously one of these firm believing religious nuts, why does God allow good people to suffer while evil people prosper?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
since your obviously one of these firm believing religious nuts, why does God allow good people to suffer while evil people prosper?

...testing....

[Atomic Punk]

Originally posted by broknhartedlosr
are you kidding?

i really hope you are.

in case you're not, i'll set you straight (and others, who might've believed this).

DISCLAIMER; IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS OR GOD, DON'T READ ON. THIS IS STRICTLY MY BELIEF. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, THAT'S FINE. PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK ME FOR IT. i really don't want to turn this into a religious discussion.

that's competely untrue. saying that god wants christians to disregard the old testament is rubbish. i don't know what branch of christianity you ascribe to, but it's pretty corrupt if it thinks that.

saying god wants christians to ignore the old testament is like a parent telling their child not to listen to two thirds of the things they have told them.

god IS vengeful. he is also infinitely forgiving, too, but he has wrath. not wrath against humans, whom he loves completely, but wrath against sin itself, which is present in humans.

those wars in the old testament were not attacks on people, but attacks on sin which the people exemplified.

what about when jesus burst into the temple and destroyed the market place there? he was acting on god's behalf. he was desroying something that god found offensive, immoral. was that not an act of vengeance on sin?

the old testament is important. if god wanted the old testament to be ignored, he never would have had it written in the first place. god doesn't make mistakes. he doesn't do something then go back and say, "okay, ignore all that, i flubbed it up." it is there for a reason, for christians to read and learn from.

please do not continue to post things which you really don't know about, because it could impropperly inform other people.




i agree with you. :D and also he doesnt 'let' things happen. the 'evil people who prosper' will get theirs when they're burning in hell for their sins.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by broknhartedlosr
just reviving this sucker. meh.
why?