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Atomic Punk

03/24/03, 02:29 PM

please ignore this if you're liberal. if you're conservative, please say hey. just finding out how many people on here i will agree with in the future. thanx

Justin_stacy

03/24/03, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
please ignore this if you're liberal. if you're conservative, please say hey. just finding out how many people on here i will agree with in the future. thanx

This is so stupid who cares what party a person is in? Also what about those of us that fall in the middle?

BrandNewRock05

03/24/03, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
please ignore this if you're liberal. if you're conservative, please say hey. just finding out how many people on here i will agree with in the future. thanx
hey

Justin_stacy

03/24/03, 06:36 PM

i find it kind of ignorant to label your self, wouldn't be better to believe what you want to believe instead of what a party tells you to beleive?

Justin_stacy

03/24/03, 06:42 PM

most of my views flow into convervative beliefs too, but not all, but i still wouldn't consider my self a conservative i dont agree with a few of there main points.

Justin_stacy

03/24/03, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by cal1082
ok so that would make you not conservative, but doesnt make you ignorant for siding with conservatives

How does it make me ignorant? I dont choose to lable my self because i dont want to be grouped into a party that i might not agree with. That doesn't make me ignorant.

TheDreamIsOver

03/24/03, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by cal1082
ok so that would make you not conservative, but doesnt make you ignorant for siding with conservatives

No that would make someone who thinks for himself.

Justin_stacy

03/25/03, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by cal1082
I didnt say that made you ignorant. Read my post carefully. I said I side more with conservatives so i consider myself conservative. You call me ignorant for this. What is ignorant is calling someone ignorant because they consider themselves conservative or liberal.

Once you label yourself something it means that you stand by them on every issues, even if you know nothing about the issue, and that is why i think its ignorant to label yourself, sorry if you thought that was personall attack on.

Justin_stacy

03/25/03, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by cal1082
I dont stand by conservatives on every issue. Some conservatives believe in partial abortion, some believe in the death penalty, so believe in affirmative action. Not every consevative believes the same thing, or does it mean you have to stand by them on everything.

But when you label yourself something, it gives the impression that you side with every thing a party stands for, that is why im against it.

Justin_stacy

03/25/03, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by cal1082
impression is diffrent from the actual truth. If your impression were true all conservatives and liberals would vote exactly down party lines.

Which MOST do, check out the voting in congress,

savestheglory

03/25/03, 11:17 AM

hey im conservative

kidinthecorner

03/25/03, 11:36 AM

I follow my own morals and try to think for myself, but more often than not I find myself on the side of the conservatives. I'm not Bush's biggest fan, tho, but he was the lesser of two evils in the last election and has been doing well, IMNSHO.

Atomic Punk

03/25/03, 02:46 PM

ok thanx. i dont consider myself a conservative because i'll believe anything the conservative party tells me. i consider myself conservative because i USUALLY agree with what the conservative party thinks. if they were to say something i didnt agree with, i still have a brain. i would stick by my beliefs, but continue to consider myself a conservative.

NOFXdesendents5

03/25/03, 02:54 PM

i am conservative, but u wont see me here often anymore. i remember when it was me brandnewrock05, yeat182, and withstamin against fucking 10 liberals and we eventually won. emomoose86 would help everyso often to though.

i dont like it here anymore because we have talked about everything and this new wave of conservatives and liberals are ignorant.

no offense.

Atomic Punk

03/25/03, 03:00 PM

why am i ignorant? im only 14, i dont claim to know everything about politics, and im new and wanna find out what everyone's beliefs are. sorry

Atomic Punk

03/25/03, 03:00 PM

why am i ignorant? im only 14, i dont claim to know everything about politics, and im new and wanna find out what everyone's beliefs are. sorry

NOFXdesendents5

03/25/03, 03:12 PM

wtf? i didnt call you ignorant. its just that neph left, he was a pus anyway. iv seen you post before anyway.

and whyd you post twice?

The Nephilm

03/25/03, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
i am conservative, but u wont see me here often anymore. i remember when it was me brandnewrock05, yeat182, and withstamin against fucking 10 liberals and we eventually won. emomoose86 would help everyso often to though.

Comedy. Pure Comedy.

NOFXdesendents5

03/25/03, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Comedy. Pure Comedy.

yeah, its pure fucking comedy. thats right.

eventually people like yourself turned into pussies. you are fucking retarded neph. you made like 5 fucking goodbye posts and your still here. why did you even wanna leave anyway? brandnewrock05 to much of an ass to let your posts go or tired of being proved wrong by withstamin?

The Nephilm

03/25/03, 05:01 PM

you idiots couldn't prove that grass is green. The only right-winged people on here that I respect are Yeat and Justin. The rest of you 15 year olds relentlessly try to lure people into stupid arguments, and I'm trying to avoid that type of shit my second time around. But guess what, you started it again, so please explain how you "proved me wrong"

Was it when you said that Germany was turned into a Democracy after WWII? Or how about when you said that slavery was the reason behind the Civil War?

If you are too embarrased to respond, I understand. Just stop the fucking mud-slinging.

savestheglory

03/25/03, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by The Nephilm

Was it when you said that Germany was turned into a Democracy after WWII? Or how about when you said that slavery was the reason behind the Civil War?

If you are too embarrased to respond, I understand. Just stop the fucking mud-slinging.

both of those points are nebulous....

germany was rid of dictatorship, but not really turned into a democracy... and slavery wasn't a MAIN issue but a minor one... so i think both of your arguements should be disregarded

The Nephilm

03/25/03, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by savestheglory
both of those points are nebulous....

germany was rid of dictatorship, but not really turned into a democracy... and slavery wasn't a MAIN issue but a minor one... so i think both of your arguements should be disregarded

They weren't my arguments, they were your new ass palls'. I'm not stupid enough to believe that a husband of a slave owner almost destroyed the country to free a race that he didn't give a flying fuck about.

Make sure you read my post next time before you respond. Mmmmmkkkk???

savestheglory

03/25/03, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I'm not stupid enough to believe that a husband of a slave owner almost destroyed the country to free a race that he didn't give a flying fuck about.

Make sure you read my post next time before you respond. Mmmmmkkkk???

you are stupid, half the country supported slavery half didn't, there was a war, which resulted in the emancipation proclamation... that was the stupidest most watered-down pos scenario of the civil war i've ever heard

yeat182

03/25/03, 05:21 PM

Lincoln wasn't concerned about freeing slaves, he was concerned about preserving the Union. He freed the slaves to win the war because they made up the labor force of the south, and would be willing to fight against the south if given the chance. i would like to the think that he also did not believe in slavery, but it wasn't the reason why he gave them emancipation.

The Nephilm

03/25/03, 05:26 PM

Justin_stacy

03/25/03, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by savestheglory
you are stupid, half the country supported slavery half didn't, there was a war, which resulted in the emancipation proclamation... that was the stupidest most watered-down pos scenario of the civil war i've ever heard

Yes about half the country supported slavery abd half didn't, BUT almost all hated blacks, even the abolition didn't want to live with black and most still say them as half citizens. Most abolitionist wanted to send them back to africa. The emancipation proclamation was purly done to keep the northern abolitions supporting the war, when most people in the north were rioting or good against the war. THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION freed no slaves when it was issued, because it stated that only slaves in the south, land that wasn't in NORTHERN control, were free and not those in the border states.

Justin_stacy

03/25/03, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Since your such a historian on the civil war then you obviously know that the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves...

Exactly!

yeat182

03/25/03, 05:35 PM

the emancipation proclimation gave the goverment the right to confiscate the property of the rebels, and as the south viewed slaves as property, the north was allowed to "confiscate" them.

Justin_stacy

03/25/03, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by yeat182
the emancipation proclimation gave the goverment the right to confiscate the property of the rebels, and as the south viewed slaves as property, the north was allowed to "confiscate" them.

Yes thats true but the issue its self did not free any one. Where as the 19th admindment (i think it was that one) gave women the right to vote right when it was signed.

yeat182

03/25/03, 05:40 PM

13th amendment abolished slavery

yeat182

03/25/03, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
Yes thats true but the issue its self did not free any one. Where as the 19th admindment (i think it was that one) gave women the right to vote right when it was signed.

yeah, it didn't make it law, but they were freed because of it

NOFXdesendents5

03/26/03, 08:08 AM

lincoln didnt want to fully abolish slavery. his wife's family owned slaves! he just wanted to stop the spread of slavery and keep the union together. during the war, he even said that states who returned to the union by january 1, 186something could keep their slaves, causing border states to switch sides.

the south thought that, eventually when the free states outnumbered the slave states, they could abolish slavery and break the south's economy.

lincoln was not a good president. if a govenor argued with him, he tossed him in jail. he didnt personally like african-americans either.