View Full Version : Rumor: Vince Young = dumbass
still_life
02/25/06, 07:49 PM
VINCE IS STOOPID?
A league source tells us that there's a rumor making the rounds at the combine that Texas quarterback Vince Young scored a miserably horrible six on the Wonderlic test.
A six! That's bad. It's beyond bad. In fact, it's the lowest score that we can ever remember hearing anyone getting.
All incoming NFL players take a 50-question version of the Wonderlic, with a 12-minute window within which to finish it.
We found 15 sample Wonderlic questions on ESPN.com's page 2, including such brain-benders as selecting the ninth month of the year from among five possible choices. We'd like to think that most people of average intelligence could get at least six of the 15 sample questions right.
Getting a total of only six out of a total of 50 questions of that same kind is pa-freakin'-thetic. For a guy who's going to be called upon to read defenses and call audibles and work through a progression of receivers against NFL-caliber opposition, it's downright scary.
The source tells us that he hasn't seen the result in writing yet, but that he's "99 percent" certain that Young's score was six.
Said the source, who knows a thing or two about evaluating college players:
"I predict he'll fall all the way out of the first round."
That's a bold statement, and we're not saying that we agree with it -- primarily because our guess is that there's someone almost dumb enough to get a six on the Wonderlic, who'll overlook Young's low score along with any other concerns that might come to light over the next two months.
www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Chriz2z
02/25/06, 07:52 PM
Uh yeah, he went to Texas, which isn't exactly Anywhere Community College. He probably did bad, but that certainly won't drop him out of the first round. That website looks real reliable too, not.
preppyak
02/25/06, 07:57 PM
Uh yeah, he went to Texas, which isn't exactly Anywhere Community College. He probably did bad, but that certainly won't drop him out of the first round. That website looks real reliable too, not.
haha, was it the pic of Lewis with the pipe that threw you off
What a hack site...putting "pro" before something like Football talk doens't make it a credible source
Chriz2z
02/25/06, 07:59 PM
haha, was it the pic of Lewis with the pipe that threw you off
What a hack site...putting "pro" before something like Football talk doens't make it a credible source
That and what its nickname is. Pft.
sweethypocrisy
02/25/06, 07:59 PM
haha, was it the pic of Lewis with the pipe that threw you off
What a hack site...putting "pro" before something like Football talk doens't make it a credible source
im pretty sure its called pro football talk cause it talks about pro football. just a guess.
LeftWideOpen
02/25/06, 08:38 PM
Uh yeah, he went to Texas, which isn't exactly Anywhere Community College. He probably did bad, but that certainly won't drop him out of the first round. That website looks real reliable too, not.
yeahhhh because his academics are what got him accepted i bet too?
this isnt surprising ..have you heard the guy give interviews?
astereo
02/25/06, 08:43 PM
i love an ad full site to go along with football rumors
what a combo :rolleyes:
FondestMemory
02/25/06, 09:02 PM
he won't drop out of the top 10, let alone the first round.
he'll be paid to throw a football, not spell it.
thats because he probably stopped paying attention in school when he was like 10 and just concentrated on sports, a very big problem in our country, it is scary that guys like him and lebron james are the so-called role models for the next generation
FondestMemory
02/25/06, 09:16 PM
thats because he probably stopped paying attention in school when he was like 10 and just concentrated on sports, a very big problem in our country, it is scary that guys like him and lebron james are the so-called role models for the next generation
what's wrong with lebron? he's never been in trouble. he's well spoken. he's extremely successful. if i had kids i'd have no problem with them looking up to him.
ides of march
02/25/06, 09:20 PM
i dunno the moment i saw sherlock lewis i was like:
FAKE
now it says that they have supposedly confirmed that he scored a six, i took the sample test and finished the first 5-6 in a minute and got them all right, i feel like someone could guess and get better than a six out of fifty on a test
preppyak
02/25/06, 10:02 PM
he won't drop out of the top 10, let alone the first round.
he'll be paid to throw a football, not spell it.
hahaha
mikeford
02/25/06, 10:07 PM
six or not, hes still gonna be a bad QB in the NFL
preppyak
02/25/06, 10:25 PM
six or not, hes still gonna be a bad QB in the NFL
anyone have Marcus Vick's score on this test, or did he have someone paid to take it for him like college...
or was he in jail, I forget anymore
mikeford
02/25/06, 10:35 PM
marcus vick would spell yale with a 6
itsjdiggity
02/25/06, 11:30 PM
i still hope the Titans end up with Leinart some how
still_life
02/25/06, 11:51 PM
PFT broke the story on the Vikings shopping Culpepper. They've gained a lot of credibilty lately, and even coaches read it (Shanahan, Gruden, Mora Jr.).
I would think not having the mental capacity to guess the 9th month of the year could be a problem if he's supposed to read a 3-4 defense or pick up blitzes. NFL defenses will eat him alive. That gimmicky offense in Texas didn't help his pro career at all. One read and he goes running, not going to work in the pros.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 07:01 AM
but common sense and football intelligence are two different things. it is possible to have one without the other.
when he's in the pocket going through his progressions it doesn't matter if he knows what the ninth month is or how to even spell cat. he can learn what he needs to know from film and coaches.
i still don't buy the legitimacy of this story, but either way i think it's pretty irrelevant.
Caleb Cattivera
02/26/06, 09:14 AM
but common sense and football intelligence are two different things. it is possible to have one without the other.
when he's in the pocket going through his progressions it doesn't matter if he knows what the ninth month is or how to even spell cat. he can learn what he needs to know from film and coaches.
i still don't buy the legitimacy of this story, but either way i think it's pretty irrelevant.
but coaches read it! that means it HAS to be legit.
*insert sarcasm here*
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 09:21 AM
but coaches read it! that means it HAS to be legit.
*insert sarcasm here*
like they always say, once it's typed, it's true.
the culpepper story wasn't really a story. there was talk of that all through the season. the only thing i think they broke was that the vikes were only looking for a 2nd round pick for him. which, oddly enough, turned out to be the false part of that story.
LeftWideOpen
02/26/06, 09:21 AM
but common sense and football intelligence are two different things. it is possible to have one without the other.
when he's in the pocket going through his progressions it doesn't matter if he knows what the ninth month is or how to even spell cat. he can learn what he needs to know from film and coaches.
i still don't buy the legitimacy of this story, but either way i think it's pretty irrelevant.
from what i've heard, this test is designed to try and not only test your intelligence but figure out your capacity to think in different ways that are indeed adaptive to how well you could read blitzes, call audibles, etc .. i'm gonna check on that though because i'm interested in seeing.
and if he got a 6 out of 50, he probably has some sort of learning disability ...film and coaches can't cure that.
YouMadeTheScene
02/26/06, 09:24 AM
everyone realizes that this isn't true at all right? Young isn't in the combine and to boot Young has yet to even work out with any teams as of now. So there is no way he could've taken any sort of test or any work out at all.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 09:24 AM
from what i've heard, this test is designed to try and not only test your intelligence but figure out your capacity to think in different ways that are indeed adaptive to how well you could read blitzes, call audibles, etc .. i'm gonna check on that though because i'm interested in seeing.
and if he got a 6 out of 50, he probably has some sort of learning disability ...film and coaches can't cure that.
all i'm saying is being intelligent and having football intelligence are two completely different things.
what counts is how smart you are on the field, and no silly 50 question test can give you any indication of that.
Chriz2z
02/26/06, 09:30 AM
everyone realizes that this isn't true at all right? Young isn't in the combine, the combine has yet to start I think, and to boot Young has yet to even work out with any teams as of now. So there is no way he could've taken any sort of test or any work out at all.
Young is in the combine, but I don't think he is going to throw.
Chriz2z
02/26/06, 09:32 AM
six or not, hes still gonna be a bad QB in the NFL
He'll be better than Joey Harrington (Number 3 pick in the 2002 draft, (I think it was 2002))
LeftWideOpen
02/26/06, 09:39 AM
what counts is how smart you are on the field, and no silly 50 question test can give you any indication of that.
yes it can. if you are completely stupid or even slow, you arent going to turn into a scholar once you hit the field. mental capacity is very much something you are born with. vince young is where he is because of talent ...and thats the majority of whats a good football player. but, you need to be smart too. are you honestly going to put your football team in the hands of someone who can't count the number of sides a shape has, or doesnt know the 9th month of the year is september?? and i don't wanna hear "well it sure worked out alright at texas" because it doesnt take smarts to run a bootleg 40% of the time.
whether this is true or not i am not debating ...but if this did indeed happen and he got a 6 ..i would never trust the future of my franchise with someone that stupid. Oh, and for those of you making the Kordell Stewart comparisons ...he scored a 12.
edit: wikipedia has verified young's score, if that means anything. search wonderlic testing and look to the very last name in the list and you'll find it.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 10:07 AM
determining what coverage a defense is in or finding mismatches or identifying a blitz or going through your reads to find an open man has nothing to do with geometrics or september.
none of that shit matters on the field. no, you can't step on the field and become scholar. but you can step onto the field as a fucking moron and still be stocked with football intelligence. they are two completely different things.
he's got poise, talent and insticnt. you can't prove those on paper. he's proven he can play the position. i'm not making the argument that it worked for him at texas, because i agree he has a long long way to go to be a good qb in the pros. but, if he never ends up being that, it's going to have nothing to do with this test.
LeftWideOpen
02/26/06, 10:22 AM
determining what coverage a defense is in or finding mismatches or identifying a blitz or going through your reads to find an open man has nothing to do with geometrics or september.
none of that shit matters on the field. no, you can't step on the field and become scholar. but you can step onto the field as a fucking moron and still be stocked with football intelligence. they are two completely different things.
he's got poise, talent and insticnt. you can't prove those on paper. he's proven he can play the position. i'm not making the argument that it worked for him at texas, because i agree he has a long long way to go to be a good qb in the pros. but, if he never ends up being that, it's going to have nothing to do with this test.
right ..it isnt going to happen because of this test. but i guess i don't get how you think someone can be completely stupid but still have no trouble learning football ...if your slow, your slow. whether it's about the months of the year or about who's coming on the blitz, it doesnt matter if you don't have the mental capacity to learn well. instincts are totally different, and you need more than those to succeed in the NFL.
But I do agree that this test won't have anything to do w/ him failing ...it's just part of a much larger issue that may arise: his intelligence.
mikeford
02/26/06, 10:39 AM
He'll be better than Joey Harrington (Number 3 pick in the 2002 draft, (I think it was 2002))
no one will ever be better than joey. maybe when you grow up, you'll realize this.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 10:44 AM
right ..it isnt going to happen because of this test. but i guess i don't get how you think someone can be completely stupid but still have no trouble learning football ...if you're slow, you're slow. whether it's about the months of the year or about who's coming on the blitz, it doesnt matter if you don't have the mental capacity to learn well. instincts are totally different, and you need more than those to succeed in the NFL.
But I do agree that this test won't have anything to do w/ him failing ...it's just part of a much larger issue that may arise: his intelligence.
people learn different ways and have different strengths. if you put a calculus book in front of me, i'm a fucking moron. no fucking clue what i'm doing. but put an english or psychology book in front of me and i'm absolutely brilliant. that's just how people are.
put vince young in the national spelling bee, he's not gonna do real well. put him in the national championship game, he does what he needs to and leads his team to a win.
that's all i'm saying. him being stupid or slow or lacking common sense is one thing. but he clearly loves football, so his learning capacity and willingness is gonna be greater with a higher chance of retaining the information.
Trainsaw
02/26/06, 12:18 PM
he'll still go top 3
still_life
02/26/06, 01:45 PM
Look at Texas' offense. I heard they even had to dumb it down for Vince. Every time I watched them they were always in the shotgun, and it was just an option read offense. He'd look at one receiver, and if it wasn't open, he'd start running (and running upright at that). He won't last a season in the NFL doing that.
still_life
02/26/06, 01:49 PM
Miami Herald confrims it too
"The stunning news of the day from the combine revolved around Texas quarterback and Rose Bowl hero Vince Young. Young, who led the Longhorns to the national championship with a great performance against USC, scored only a 6 on the Wonderlich aptitude examination. The 50-question, 12-minute exam has a maximum score of 50 points. Although several players usually score in single-digits each year, it is highly unusual for quarterbacks to score that low. Several NFL team executives confirmed Young's score, which could hurt his draft status."
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/colleges/13964940.htm
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 01:52 PM
even if he falls, he'd only fall out of the top three. he won't last past the fourth pick though. he's not gonna drop.
still_life
02/26/06, 01:54 PM
I didn't think he was a top 5 pick before yesterday. He's too much of a project to throw that much money to. His throwing mechanics suck, his arm strength is questionable, his college offense did nothing to prepare him for the pros, and now we find out he's an idiot. I think we found the big bust of this draft. He might want to start working out at WR.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 02:09 PM
he throws with accuracy, adds the biggest running threat at the position since mike vick, did what he asked in college (though not asked to do much, still didn't make many poor decisions).
i think he's a project, definitely. i don't think he can step right in. but with a year or two to learn, i think he has the potential to be a decent quarterback. he has a lot of the things you can't teach about that position. which those atributes, added to the potential upside is definately a top 5 pick.
his throwing motion works for him. not everybody has perfect mechanics. they can try to fix it, and if it doesn't work, they can definitely live with it.
these test results mean nothing.
still_life
02/26/06, 02:14 PM
He throws short passes and has great o-line protection. No one has ever seen Vince Young drop back 7 steps and fire a deep out 15 yards down the field. He hasn't shown he can make NFL throws yet.
No QB has ever scored lower than a 10 on this test (since 1989) and had success. He's going to be a major bust.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 02:42 PM
he hasn't shown he can't make NFL throws either.
and i don't care what other qbs did on the test. i strongly believe this test has nothing to do with the quarterback position. akili smith scored high. marino and favre scored below average. it doesn't mean anything.
itsjdiggity
02/26/06, 02:59 PM
i hope we trade up for the 2nd pick
LeftWideOpen
02/26/06, 03:02 PM
he hasn't shown he can't make NFL throws either.
and i don't care what other qbs did on the test. i strongly believe this test has nothing to do with the quarterback position. akili smith scored high. marino and favre scored below average. it doesn't mean anything.
akili smith scored a 13 the first time and then studied for it the night before he took it again lol.
IAmNietzche
02/26/06, 03:43 PM
COMBINE OFFICIAL SCREWED UP VINCE'S WONDERLIC
A league source tells us that Texas quarterback Vince Young indeed scored a six on the Wonderlic test on Saturday -- but that the guy who graded the test screwed the thing up when totaling the number of right answers.
Combine officials, we're told, have re-scored the Young's test and the test of all other players who took it in his group. NFL teams will get the official Wonderlic results for all players later in the week.
On Saturday, there was widespread chatter at the combine that Young got only six out of 50 questions right on the standard test used by the NFL to gauge player intelligence. The Nashville Tennessean corroborated the reports of the low score (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/SPORTS01/602260387/1328/SPORTS) in its Sunday edition.
Whether the actual number was 6 or 50 or something in between remains to be seen.
It's a major embarrassment, in our view, for the folks who put on the combine. Because it's inevitable that this information will get out (indeed, Pro Football Weekly got their mitts on the full Wonderlic results (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm#qb) from the 2005 combine), it's critical that the folks charged with grading the tests get it right.
It's even more important that the scores are right before the information is leaked.
sorry bro, that's from the same site you got your rumor from...
AshesAshes
02/26/06, 03:46 PM
Vince Young = bust? The guy was a beast in the rosebowl I bet he does well in the nfl.
AshesAshes
02/26/06, 03:51 PM
182 - 285=63.9% for 2769 yards 26 touchdowns 10 interceptions 128 carries for 793 yards 6.2 yards a carry is pretty impressive
determining what coverage a defense is in or finding mismatches or identifying a blitz or going through your reads to find an open man has nothing to do with geometrics or september.
none of that shit matters on the field. no, you can't step on the field and become scholar. but you can step onto the field as a fucking moron and still be stocked with football intelligence. they are two completely different things.
he's got poise, talent and insticnt. you can't prove those on paper. he's proven he can play the position. i'm not making the argument that it worked for him at texas, because i agree he has a long long way to go to be a good qb in the pros. but, if he never ends up being that, it's going to have nothing to do with this test.
you are right, that doesnt matter on the field, but the exam tests your ability to think, something he needs on the field, someone made a comment before and i totally agree with him, young makes one read and then he takes off, if he does this in the pros he will get killed, he is going to be a bigger bust than ryan leaf, cutler and leinert are going to be much better
fluke182
02/26/06, 03:59 PM
yes it can. if you are completely stupid or even slow, you arent going to turn into a scholar once you hit the field. mental capacity is very much something you are born with. vince young is where he is because of talent ...and thats the majority of whats a good football player. but, you need to be smart too. are you honestly going to put your football team in the hands of someone who can't count the number of sides a shape has, or doesnt know the 9th month of the year is september?? and i don't wanna hear "well it sure worked out alright at texas" because it doesnt take smarts to run a bootleg 40% of the time.
whether this is true or not i am not debating ...but if this did indeed happen and he got a 6 ..i would never trust the future of my franchise with someone that stupid. Oh, and for those of you making the Kordell Stewart comparisons ...he scored a 12.
edit: wikipedia has verified young's score, if that means anything. search wonderlic testing and look to the very last name in the list and you'll find it.
I agree with you entirely, except the usage of Wiki as a confirmation piece. That confirms nothing, because Wiki supports anything with a source, so more than likely someone saw the same site that this thread is based off of and submitted it. When it's posted by the Associated Press or on ESPN.com, believe it. I sort of hope it's true, because that's hilarious. The sample test is so damn easy. At the same time, I doubt it's true because that is unreal if it is.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 04:00 PM
akili smith scored a 13 the first time and then studied for it the night before he took it again lol.
yeah, i'm convinced he cheated the second time.
182 - 285=63.9% for 2769 yards 26 touchdowns 10 interceptions 128 carries for 793 yards 6.2 yards a carry is pretty impressive
those are nice numbers, but still_life is right about his offense. it was a very simple offense. he was always in the shotgun. had two reads at most. ran a lot of times when he could have moved on to a third or fourth option. and his protection was incredible. his accuracy is nice. that's the stat of those that means the most.
i honestly believe he could go either way as a pro. personally, i don't think he'll ever be anything better than decent. but, nobody knows for sure what he can do. just because he didn't do certain things in college, doesn't mean he's not capable of it. we'll just have to see.
those are nice numbers, but still_life is right about his offense. it was a very simple offense. he was always in the shotgun. had two reads at most. ran a lot of times when he could have moved on to a third or fourth option. and his protection was incredible. his accuracy is nice. that's the stat of those that means the most.
i honestly believe he could go either way as a pro. personally, i don't think he'll ever be anything better than decent. but, nobody knows for sure what he can do. just because he didn't do certain things in college, doesn't mean he's not capable of it. we'll just have to see.
you are exactly right, decent at best, also i think his running ability is way overrated, they kept describing him as a scrambler, but i watched the usc game and he didnt scramble, he took three steps back and then ran to the open side of the field, he is fast once he hits open field but he is not as elusive as vick, brunell, and young, a scrambler is a guy who has the pocket collapse around him and escapes from that, vince young is a runner, who throws the ball from time to time, this will not work in the pros because defences will be better, his o-line won't be as dominant, and defenders are much closer to him in speed than they were in college
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 04:13 PM
you are exactly right, decent at best, also i think his running ability is way overrated, they kept describing him as a scrambler, but i watched the usc game and he didnt scramble, he took three steps back and then ran to the open side of the field, he is fast once he hits open field but he is not as elusive as vick, brunell, and young, a scrambler is a guy who has the pocket collapse around him and escapes from that, vince young is a runner, who throws the ball from time to time, this will not work in the pros because defences will be better, his o-line won't be as dominant, and defenders are much closer to him in speed than they were in college
yeah. a lot of his rush yards came off of designed running plays for him. he won't get those in the pros. maybe 3-5 per game, but not 25% of the time like at texas.
but he has the ability to be a scrambler. not in the vick sense of the term, but he's bigger and stronger. he has the ability to hang in the pocket, and if it collapses, break a tackle and buy some more time. like roethlisberger, but faster.
bigmike
02/26/06, 04:49 PM
he could have scored perfect and would have still been no better than akili smith.
still_life
02/26/06, 05:49 PM
Andre Ware had really nice college stats, but he was a complete bust in the NFL because his offense was gimmicky too just like Texas. I think Vince Young would be better off at WR. Look at Matt Jones.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 06:07 PM
Andre Ware had really nice college stats, but he was a complete bust in the NFL because his offense was gimmicky too just like Texas. I think Vince Young would be better off at WR. Look at Matt Jones.
i disagree with him going to wr. he's got the poise and leadership ability you need at quarterback. his best assests would be wasted at wr. i think he's right in at least giving it a shot as a qb.
mikeford
02/26/06, 06:11 PM
seriously, i hate to agree with still_life ever, but do you other people realize college and NFL are two VERY different worlds?
the dude doesnt know how to run an audible or look off a DB... nothing. this dude is going to SUCK BALLS in the NFL. I'd be surprised if he's still in the league as a QB 4 years from now.
FondestMemory
02/26/06, 06:13 PM
i understand completely. i've stated before i don't think he's gonna be very good. i'm willing to give him a shot though and see. he's got potential to be very good. and i'll stand by that until he proves otherwise.
fire on my lips
02/26/06, 06:46 PM
I know wiki isnt a good source, but it now says Vince Young got a 38
LeftWideOpen
02/26/06, 07:05 PM
seriously, i hate to agree with still_life ever, but do you other people realize college and NFL are two VERY different worlds?
the dude doesnt know how to run an audible or look off a DB... nothing. this dude is going to SUCK BALLS in the NFL. I'd be surprised if he's still in the league as a QB 4 years from now.
agreed, on all points.
sweethypocrisy
02/26/06, 07:24 PM
I know wiki isnt a good source, but it now says Vince Young got a 38
yeah well, they could have easily made up the "we messed up the counting" thing just so everyones hero isnt revealed as a dumbass. i dont buy that, cause how the fuck do you mess up counting right answers?
I know wiki isnt a good source, but it now says Vince Young got a 38
no way, not a chance, i check out the scores from 2005 and only saw maybe 5 people who got that high of a score, the highest quarterback was ryan fitzpatrick of harvard (now of the st louis rams), im sorry but there is no way that vince young, a guy who was probably asked to do little to no work in college and a person who did not graduate, could beat a harvard grad in a test based on intellect. heath miller (steelers rookie tight end) scored a 40 i think, frank gore from miami scored a 6, wow, but anyway, i don't think young could do any higher than a 20, and that is being very generous
fluke182
02/26/06, 07:50 PM
I know wiki isnt a good source, but it now says Vince Young got a 38
Wikipedia has nothing on the Wonderlic test in terms of Vince Young, so I have no idea where you found that at. Kevin Curtis scored a 48, what a badass.
Wikipedia has nothing on the Wonderlic test in terms of Vince Young, so I have no idea where you found that at. Kevin Curtis scored a 48, what a badass.
i was just there and it said vince young and a score of six in the list of names
bigmike
02/26/06, 11:15 PM
i disagree with him going to wr. he's got the poise and leadership ability you need at quarterback. his best assests would be wasted at wr. i think he's right in at least giving it a shot as a qb.
you can be a leader and have the poise to come through in the clutch at wide reciever.
bigmike
02/26/06, 11:15 PM
Andre Ware had really nice college stats, but he was a complete bust in the NFL because his offense was gimmicky too just like Texas. I think Vince Young would be better off at WR. Look at Matt Jones.another fucking solid Detroit Lions pick.
LeftWideOpen
02/27/06, 10:49 AM
the latest on vince young's wonderlic adventure, from john clayton ..
" Here's the story on Vince Young's supposedly low score on the Wonderlic Test. He took a test before the combine and was rumored to have a low score, but according to a league source, it was not the 6 that was rumored over the weekend. Regardless, he took the test again Sunday and got a 16. While it's clearly an improvement, such a low score might make teams question his ability to learn and run an NFL offense, and scare franchises from investing a top-five pick on him. Young made his decision to turn pro late, so he might have been ill-prepared for the exam. By taking the test again and getting a 16, the panic should pass. Young will also get to take another test before the draft."
so best case scenario ..he scored a 16 on the retake.
nfggc10
02/27/06, 10:58 AM
the latest on vince young's wonderlic adventure, from john clayton ..
" Here's the story on Vince Young's supposedly low score on the Wonderlic Test. He took a test before the combine and was rumored to have a low score, but according to a league source, it was not the 6 that was rumored over the weekend. Regardless, he took the test again Sunday and got a 16. While it's clearly an improvement, such a low score might make teams question his ability to learn and run an NFL offense, and scare franchises from investing a top-five pick on him. Young made his decision to turn pro late, so he might have been ill-prepared for the exam. By taking the test again and getting a 16, the panic should pass. Young will also get to take another test before the draft."
so best case scenario ..he scored a 16 on the retake.
I don't understand how not having enough time to prepare is being used as an excuse. i took the sample questions and there isn't anything on there that I needed to study in order to complete it correctly. Most of that stuff is learned before high school anyway. What a joke...
Leinart got at 36...i guess a USC education is just that much better than a Texas education.
histrionics22
02/27/06, 11:48 AM
Leinart got at 36...i guess a USC education is just that much better than a Texas education.
Can't you just tell by talking to both that Leinart is smarter? It has nothing to do with the USC education.
Can't you just tell by talking to both that Leinart is smarter? It has nothing to do with the USC education.
well leinart went to one of the best high schools in orange county...so that is probably a deciding factor.
LeftWideOpen
02/27/06, 12:28 PM
well leinart went to one of the best high schools in orange county...so that is probably a deciding factor.
most likely. i think vince young was in and out of gangs at that time, wasnt he?
Chriz2z
02/27/06, 12:33 PM
It's confirmed. A big 16. Sixteen on his Wonderlic.
nfggc10
02/27/06, 12:35 PM
It's confirmed. A big 16. Sixteen on his Wonderlic.
And that was on his second attempt which still is pathetic. This guy is just a thug and will be out of the league within a few years anyway.
Chriz2z
02/27/06, 12:36 PM
He'll take it again, but Dan Marino got a 16 on his first test. Randall Cunningham got a 15. Brett Favre only got a 22, and Ben Roethlisberger got a 25.
Chriz2z
02/27/06, 12:36 PM
And that was on his second attempt which still is pathetic. This guy is just a thug and will be out of the league within a few years anyway.
No, his first. Get your sources right.
nfggc10
02/27/06, 12:38 PM
No, his first. Get your sources right.
Nope, he took the test again Sunday and 16 was his score on that attempt. John Clayton confirmed that on Mike and Mike this morning.
Chriz2z
02/27/06, 12:38 PM
And that was on his second attempt which still is pathetic. This guy is just a thug and will be out of the league within a few years anyway.
Damn it, you are right. Sorry
No, his first. Get your sources right.
no, get your sources right, he got the sixteen when he took the test a second time, the first score is still a mystery but it is lower than that
nfggc10
02/27/06, 12:40 PM
Damn it, you are right. Sorry
ha, that's alright. Have you looked at the sample questions to see how pathetic a low score on that test really is?
Chriz2z
02/27/06, 12:44 PM
ha, that's alright. Have you looked at the sample questions to see how pathetic a low score on that test really is?
Yeah, on that test at Page 2, I think I got like a 13/15, skipping the ones with time taking math.
ha, that's alright. Have you looked at the sample questions to see how pathetic a low score on that test really is?
they are easy, i guarantee anybody here would get at least a six on the sample questions espn had and their are only 15 questions, the real test has fifty, they are now saying vince young wasn't prepared for it, i think this is a load of bs, it is testing your ability to think and your intelligence, it is not something that you can really prepare for, vince young is an idiot and he is going to get a low score regardless of preparation, even if he took the test again and received a 16, that is still way low, i believe the average from last year's quarterbacks was a 25 and i do not think anyone scored that low
nfggc10
02/27/06, 12:47 PM
Yeah, on that test at Page 2, I think I got like a 13/15, skipping the ones with time taking math.
ditto, the only questions that should be missed are ones that either take too long or the last couple because someone ran out of time. Anything below a 30-35 on this isn't very good but below 20 is kind of embarrassing.
nfggc10
02/27/06, 12:49 PM
they are easy, i guarantee anybody here would get at least a six on the sample questions espn had and their are only 15 questions, the real test has fifty, they are now saying vince young wasn't prepared for it, i think this is a load of bs, it is testing your ability to think and your intelligence, it is not something that you can really prepare for, vince young is an idiot and he is going to get a low score regardless of preparation, even if he took the test again and received a 16, that is still way low, i believe the average from last year's quarterbacks was a 25 and i do not think anyone scored that low
Same thing I said earlier. How in the hell could lack of studying result in a single digit score. Only a lack of almost every single brain cell could allow that to happen.
Cal Smith
02/27/06, 02:14 PM
Nope, he took the test again Sunday and 16 was his score on that attempt. John Clayton confirmed that on Mike and Mike this morning.
yeah, 16 is still a pathetic score.
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